Why You Should Take “High Ranking Sources” With a Shaker of Salt
Since the Jets brass Mike Tannenbaum and Woody Johnson have flown out and returned from their meeting with coaching candidate Russ Grimm and talked with Ron Meeks today, there’s been a rather sudden lack of leaks about their recent candidates.
While reports from “high ranking team sources” were flying fast and furious last week, they’ve magically died down now. Gee … what gives?
After firing Mangini and watching Cowher’s ship sail, the Jets had some serious egg on their face. After getting a little bit ahead of themselves the team looked pretty bad. Since then, they’ve noted who they are interviewing, but the sources who have been talking about tiers, Cowher’s money grab and such have shut up. The team must feel like they are on top of the spin again, and are letting things work themselves out behind closed doors.
While waiting for the likes of Sexy Rexy and Spags to finish their postseason runs, there’s just not a lot of wow factor when you are talking about names like Russ Grimm or Ron Meeks.
Early after the firing of Mangini, the team was clearly letting get out what they wanted to get out, now that they feel comfortable, their back to their old habits of giving the press nothing.
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and old habits of giving their fans nothing.
They need to make a firm date for Favre, because I am sure that will hinder their coaching search. I just do not get why they are reaching for candidates who are untested. I do not believe that Cowher is a washout. He had interest in this job at one point, there needs to be more effort by Woody to make him interested again! Why not put the full court press on Shanahan? Then Billick? The Jets need someone who has won before and can handle the media and fire up the team. If none of these guys pan out…GO WITH REX RYAN!
We pushed all in with Cowher and it turned out he had flush and we were left holding a pair of threes.
Mark my word… Shotty will be our “interim” HC until the 2010 season.
Then we try for Cohwer again. Rex will stay in Baltimore, as much as I would like to see him in NY. Rob will go to Cleve, to be with Eric.
Could have been NY.
hmmm someone messin with my name at work…. son of a ***
Ryan is dying to become a HC after getting spurned the last 2 years. The Jets by far have the most talent of the teams without head coaches right now. If the Jets offer him the job I cannot see him turning it down. Woody and Tanny wouldnt have the audacity to hire Schotty as HC, I hope, the backlash would be tremendous by the fans and media.
ITS not that they stopped talkng its just tough to get the words out with EGG on their FACES..lol
“giving the press nothing” except comedic fodder . . .
High ranking officials unoffically stated that the coaching search is on hold, as they await Scott Pioli to take the KC job and provide them with an approval to interview Herman Edwards.
IF i were REX and SPAGS i would jump on a head coaching job this year because the big dawgs are coming back in 2010 AKA COWLER,HOLMGREN,SHANAHAN,possibly DUNGY makes the move,PARCELL could leave MIAMI after next season….REX be smart and take the big payday in NEWYORK before WOODY closes his wallet and waits until 2010 to hire his long term head coach..
Swizzle81, Actually the ball is in the JETS front offices court now that I think about it because they can tell these assistent coaches who are interviewing to take a hike if they get too cocky and wait until the end of next session to hire a long term coach….IF SCHOTTY becomes the coach this year and its a one year deal then we know in 2010 they are going to drop the big bucks on a proven head coach…I’m still for REX though as I think he has the most upside to bring to the JETS franchise short term and long term….
I’ve read this one year deal premise in several places on this blog…it’s nuts.
Believe they want and are waiting for Ryan.
JL if WOODY and MIKE T went with a one year 12million dollar contract with FAVRE how can u say hiring SCHOTTY for one year waiting on the big name HC”S listed above is nuts…Please justify that statement if you may…..
I want Rex!! not that i want him, but why do you guys think Shotty would be a bad HC? i know he suxs as cordinator
Randy(randy’s radar) pissed me of so this is my blog spot.Love the freedom of speech.
Gangreen … why the hell would Schottenheimer take a one year deal? It’s a ridiculous idea. Most NFL teams extend or fire a coach with only one year left to avoid one year deals (see Mangini). If you are arguing that they could fire BS after a year, that’s one thing. To believe that they would offer, or BS would accept, a one year deal is pure lunacy.
f the press they send out all sorts of mis infomation anyway . also i really think there waiting on rex to make a move
Zartan, Schotty would be an intern type coach until the big names come back in 2010..LOOk at it this way no adjustments would need to be made to the team this year(MAJOR OVERHAUL WISE) SCHOTTY could plug in a Rookie QB(IT IS HIS OFFENSIVE SYSTEM) and the JETS FO wouldn’t have to spend big bucks this off season to field the team like they would in a new system.Believe me i’m not asking for SCHOTTY thats for sure but it could be the way this front office is thinking to get the”BIG NAME HC” into their franchise…REX IS THE MAN AND I WANT REX but who knows what directions this front office is heading this offseason….
STL…. why not if they put a contingency on his contract that he wins so many games,makes the playoff or superbowl he could get extended as head coach….I know Schotty is under contract but i dont see any media suggesting that any other team is looking at him as a HC….WHY not take the opportunity to prove yourself for a year and get some head coaching experience and exposure nation wide which may open more doors in Schotty’s future…..ITS a gamble but what does SCHOTTY have to lose….AND on the other hand he knows if another HC comes in he could be kicked to the curb anyways…JUST food for thought….
For Gods sake stop talking about Shotty as anything other than the new cliubhouse cleaning crew.. We have endured two plus years of horrible game plans, horrible schemes and horrible use of player skills. I’ll apologize if I’m wrong but he is one the most unqualified coaches I have ever seen. He was out coached every week.
Now we are supposed to let him be head coach. I will never root for this team again (after 40 years) if they hire him.
It’s a shame about Mangini but he truly did not coach well and Shotty and Sutton were just plain amateurish.
I am all in for Rex Ryan at this point……..However, I don’t understand the big appeal of Shanahan or Billick. Billick was never able to develop a young QB into a starting caliber QB and Shanahan has not had success in Denver since the Elway days and plus his defenses have never been stellar.
Ryan, Cowher or even Russ Grimm are those type of coaches we want since they play smash mouth football with a solid D. The Jets need to draft a player like Jacobs/McClain, start Ratliff or KC and pound the football with that O-Line like Baltimore, Tennessee, Giants and Carolina – top teams in the league.
Also, the negativity for Schotty is too overblown. No one is even giving this guy a chance. He took over a QB he probably didn’t anticipate and this team was still top 3 in the league in points. Most of the failure in the last 5 games for this team had to do with the Defense. The Defense was not dominate at all (Wallace and Shaun Hill looked like Dan Marino in his prime which is a disgrace for both Mangini and Sutton). That is part of the reason why Mangini is no longer here. Plus, Schotty is not out there throwing 2 TD and 9 INTs in the last 5 games. The guy gets too much blame for the failures of this years team.
Solution to this problem: A younger QB would help the Jets run the Ball more, rely on the strong part of this team – O-line and our potentially solid D. The team is not gonna rely on Brett Ratliff or KC like they would Brett – The only thing is they need a Solid D and a big Back like Jacobs. Rex Ryan gives them this identity of a grinding type team – Hopefully Ratliff or KC steps up. IMO, Ratliff is the guy to look at first. He threw a nice deep ball in the pre-season game and looks like a solid option to start with. Likes become a powerhouse team – a team nobody in the NFL wants to play.
Frank-Nice post. But I will agree to disagree about Shotty. His schemes and play calling was awful game after game and receivers not being open EVER is as much about schemes as anything.
The opposing def coordinators just plain out coached him.
Sorry guys, but the Shotty for 1yr caretaker and then sign a biggie is a pipedream. If they sign Shotty it’ll be multi-yr cause they think the players won’t play for an interim HC and they’ll want him because Mike T and Woody can push him around. If you wanted a 1yr placeholder for real you give it to Westoff who always wanted to be HC and then see what happens. I want Rex Ryan very badly because he’ll give us a monster D that’ll scare the Pats, Bills and Fins. It’ll also keep us in every game while we develop a young QB. We have enough talent with Ryan to make the playoffs next yr guaranteed. He’d tell VG to sick’em and kick his butt if he didn’t. To quote Ravens players “He uses everyone in the room in his D and gets the most out of them.” My fear is that he’s too much a football man and his own man for Mike T and Woody to give the job to, but us fans would love him.
Woody won’t put Schotty in the big chair. Only if they are keeping Favre do I think we should get an offensive coach. Rex Ryan is the assistant who I believe can pick up the pieces. He is growing support in the fan base and I’m sure he could make this team into something. Maybe even Gholston. I have some hope left that we didn’t waste the 6th pick in the draft. This offseason is going to be something.
Good post frank, I totally agree
If Schotty becomes our next HC, I will be, “Way Beyond Upset”!!! I truly feel that the offensive playcalling was atrocious in the last half of the season!!! At the end of the season I said, too one my friends, I could live with Mangini, but Schotty, and Sutton had too go!!! So we fire Mangini, and we consider promoting Schotty!!! UNFRIGGINBELIEVABLE!!!!! “This Team Will Suck, For The Rest Of My Life”!!!!
Ron Meeks Interview = Rooney Rule Compliance.
As for potential of hiring B. Schott as HC, it would at least allow them to bring in someone knew to run the defense. If we kept mangini and fired B.Schott, we might have improved the offense some, but we’d still have that same vanilla defense and play prevent at the end of any tight game with a lead.
I also wonder if they might have asked B. Schott if Marty is interested, much the way the Dolphins used Schott to gauge Cam Cameron’s interest before they hired him.
If we can’t get REX, I say we make Favre the QB and HC for the same money. Talk about getting our games on national tv every week. LOL!!!
….If we can’t get rex,…….I give up!
Let’s get this straight. The same GM,who traded a former #1 pick and 4th overall,
Robertson and got nothing in return, then signed Farve to let former # 1 pick
Penninton be released and got nothing for him, is in charge of selecting
a new coach!!!.
I’ve been watching the same search for 48 years, It’s groundhog day.
I have no faith, wake me when it’s over.
I know I keep posting this same thing over and over, but does everyone who posts actually watch the games. The defense was HORRIBLE period and just stop discussing it-Mangini /Sutton.
The offense since Mangini has never been good. Two years ago we had a cupcake schedule and it kind of snuck by. It certainly didn’t put any fear in opponents plans. Last year, WITH Chad and Jones, awful and I mean awful. No power, no drives , no theme, no personality. This year a drive here a drive there and two or three really good games and the rest just plain crappy. The opposing defenses shut the plan down game after game with NO IN GAME adjustments-Mangini/Shotty. Our receivers were never open-that my friends is scheme and play calling. Miami had Ginn and Camirrillo (true HOFers) and they were always open!
And for the Favre haters, the high point total this year is ONLY due to Favre being a gunslinger who opened the run for Jones/ Leon and had to be defensed for slinging. Do we really want to talk about Leon and Shotty in the post?
Now, tell me again what ANYONE saw from Shotty for three years that would make you want him to be your HC?
I am really sick about this. If he’s hired I’m done. Go 49ers!!!
2007 we had no line. You cannot compare this line with 4 first rounders to last years team. With teh revolving door Adrien Clarke.
Bash Shotty, but our RBs could have done it with any strong armed QB. Slinging isn’t always scary 22 INTs proves that.
OK-2007 we had no line-coach around it-what’s the excuse for 06 and 08.
That my good man has always been the problem—-
We’re soooooo close, one play here one play there-how about going out and beating people. We just didn’t look good winning or losing (the second half of ARI) except for a couple of games AND for the 50th time so did OAK,STL,KC,SEA and every other mediocre team in the league.
The proof my friends is not a game here a game there but how bad they looked all season against mediocre teams-OAK,STL,SEA,DEN,CIN,SF,BUF (8 games!)and we could really add in MIA and SD——————ARE you guys listening to the games on radio? Or you have alsheimers and can’t remember how crappy they looked week after week. This team could have been 7-9 or worse but for Herm and BUF-
Let’s all try to be realistic.
Bassett, I don’t think the Jets have gotten egg on their face and I disagree that they’ve looked bad. These are media driven persectives. I guess the “egg on the face” comes from the Cowher situation. The media twisted that story to make the Jets look bad, which they seem to love to do. The media could’ve just as easily made Cowher look bad if they had wanted. They could have written stories about how the Jets reached out to him in a very serious way and that he was unwilling to waite a few days for Woody to return to meet with him. That he was just looking to grab as much of Woody’s money as possible and was actually just stringing the Jets along because he didn’t have any real intention of coaching this year anyway. Again, I like how Tanny is going about his business. Cleveland has already hired a coach before they hire a gm,and it appears the owner in Denver is doing the same. That is backwards.
For some reason I am nervous about tannenbaum’s football I.Q going into this head coaching search. For some reason, different sources are inclining that spags is probably the favorite choice(I kno ryan hasn’t interviewed yet) but this really won’t sit well.
spags style simply does not fit our defensives scheme, I was also reading an article which was pointing out some things when comparing ryan and spags. I am not doubting spags abilities in any shape or form, I just don’t think he’s a mesh for this team.
Besides the fact that ryan has been doing this for longer and more efficiently than spags has, when you look at ryans defense(this past year) he has done a far more impressive job.
The Giants have a good defense. But what they have thrived off is their offense. They are know as “clock munchers” and really value ball possesion. And we all know a key component to having an effective defense is to just not have them on the field at all.The Giants as of now average 5yds per rush. Besides being a top ranked offense the giants ranked 5th in the league in First Downs.
The ravens on the other hand have an 18th ranked offense and ranked 14th in the NFL in First Downs. And despite all that, I think their defense still ranked higher than the giants in both categories while being in the top 3 in the NFL for both pass and rush Defense.
Fact of the matter, rex ryan led his troops, doing it the harder way….by actually having to be on the field.
Now I encourage you to fathom the possibilty of mixing this defensive wit with the jets ability to manage the clock.Regardless of who’s at the helm (prefferably Ratliff), I can GARAUNTEE you there would be great things to look forward to for next season……that’s only ofcourse if rex ryan gets the job. otherwise, I’m through watching this team.
I’d give Kotite another chance maybe we can ge o’donnell out of retirement.
JAS, what does scheme have to do with WR’s not being able to get seperation…whether your running a short slant or a deep posts it is the receivers that needs to get the seperation and catch the damn ball.I would agree if u were talking about scheme killing our defense becasue we weren’t getting agressive play calling(DROPPING OFF THE LINE ZONE/PREVENT) but BRETT threw the ball early and often to receivers who couldn’t get open or go up for the ball and take it away from CB at its highest point…FAVRE threw 22 picks i know but how many were absolutely attrocious and how many could have been caught with better receiver play..OUR offense play calling wasn’t the total demise of this team I think the play by the players including FAVRE had alot more to do with it…THE WITCH hunt was on with MANGINi and FAVRE but what about the other 51 players on the team especially at the skill positions they weren’t all that good either..No reciever had over 900 yds ENUFF SAID
Schott should not even be listed as a candidate for this job. Before Mangini was fired, everyone wanted Schott and Sutton fired and most wanted to keep Mangini. Schott is one of the main reasons this team folded. You can blame Mangini all you want, but the offensive playcalling was in Schott’s hands. The only current staff I would even have on the HC list are Westhoff and Callahan.
I want Rex Ryan and I think that’s what they are waiting for. We keep the 3-4 (and don’t have to re-tool–again) and we get a guy that inspires and pushes his players and keeps control of his team. That’s what this team needs right now.
If Ryan isn’t available, then I’d be more comfortable with a guy like Callahan, who has some HC experience, but also knows our system, so the transitions will be easier. Westhoff would be another consideration, but I don’t know that he has or will be interviewed.
Spags will FAIL as a HC!!!!!
Spags is a MEDIA CREATION a NY MEDIA CREATION and is NOT Ready to be a HC!!!!!!!!!
I also don’t want a Giant Coach as a new HC of the Jets!
HIRE Rex Ryan as the NEW HC of the NY Jets NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JET FANS read this story:
Ryan is finishing his fourth season as defensive coordinator for the Ravens and 10th year with Baltimore.
Ryan’s defense has already grabbed a great deal of attention after forcing five turnovers in a wild-card victory over the Miami Dolphins, who had NFL record-low 13 turnovers during the regular season. Chad Pennington, who had thrown only seven interceptions in 16 games, was picked off four times.
Aggressive, innovative thinker
“You can look at any game that my guys are out there on the field, and I think they represent me — who I am, what I stand for,” Ryan said.
This is who Ryan is: a highly aggressive and innovative thinker who always believes in turning up the heat on the opposing quarterback in every way imaginable. This is what he stands for: whatever it takes to win.
A classic example of his creativity came during the wild-card game at Miami, when 6-foot-4, 345-pound Haloti Ngata suddenly vacated his usual spot at nose tackle and wound up at middle linebacker.
“What happens when you do that is you’re putting pressure on the opposition,” Ryan said. “Because now, if they are just looking at that front as a 3-4 front, then he might be identified as a linebacker. And when that happens, now we can get Haloti on a running back, so if we blitz a 350-pound linebacker, a running back has to try to block him.
“We do that stuff all over the place. We can take corners and have them rush. We can drop out on the nose tackle and blitz a corner (through the middle). And we’re not scared to overload a whole side (to rush the passer). We always say, ‘Don’t let the only limitations your players have be you as a coach.’”
Ryan has long preached the “KILL” philosophy of teaching: Keep it likeable and learnable. He makes certain that every member of the defense knows everyone else’s responsibilities. That way, players become interchangeable and opponents have a harder time figuring out who and what is coming their way from one game, or snap, to the next.
This applies to backups as well as superstars such as linebacker Ray Lewis and free safety Ed Reed.
“If you dress, you’re going to have some role for us, in some capacity,” Ryan said. “The players really buy into it, they take ownership in it. It’s great when you can say to a Ray Lewis, ‘Ray, you’re going to have to eat up these two (blockers) so (outside linebacker) Jarret Johnson has a chance to be free or be one-on-one.’ Ray Lewis, a first-ballot Hall of Fame guy, is willing to sacrifice for a lesser-known player, although Jarret’s an excellent player in his own right. But it could be any player, and those guys will make that sacrifice on anything that we call.”
The rap on Ryan is that he doesn’t come off as being particularly polished in interviews. He has the bold and brash personality of his father, former NFL coach Buddy Ryan. The same goes for his twin brother, Rob, who has also been the defensive coordinator for the Oakland Raiders and is in line to fill the same job with the Cleveland Browns.
But Rex Ryan makes it clear that his style of coaching is going to be as subtle as a punch in the mouth.
“I’m not blessed with a silver tongue,” said Ryan, who has coached in the NFL for 12 years. “I don’t think I’m going to wow anybody in an interview. I’m just going to be myself and hopefully that’s good enough to get a job. I understand a great responsibility that a head coach has to (represent) an organization, and to be considered in that light is really special to me.
“But I want to become a head coach because I think I can do a great job.”
WOW…. Jets HIRE this MAN NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/story?id=09000d5d80dfe53c&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
Gang-
All WR stuff is based on coverages. Unless its Rice or Harrison type who could get open even in double coverage, you have to spread a def. if they think its a slant and put 5 guys there then you get no reception or an int. if the overall scheme makes them cover several possibles the slant is max one on one and gets completed.
ALL of NFL teams try to confuse their routes to get one on ones or miss matched coverage (LB on WR). WE don’t. Lets blame who for the plays and schemes? The players-no. Even Sutton didn’t screw that up.