Comments on: Audible: Do You Trust Tannenbaum & Woody?

By: dognamedrevis

dognamedrevis — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:52:36 +0000

What do folks think we can get for LC in a trade? I’ve heard proposals for upper rd picks, but i don’t see it.
I would GIVE him away. I know he’s durable and tough over the middle, but an aging receiver who has difficulty getting seperation AND seems to have a key drop every couple of games is not a good combination).
Remember, he held us hostage to get us to guarantee this next year of his contract. We did not want to do it, why would anyone give us anything for the extra year of his contract that we are saddled with?

Maybe Miami would give us a late round pick? Doubting even that with Parcells affinity for late round picks….
I’m not saying he doesn’t have his strengths as a receiver, but I think we need an upgrade to a true number 1 (draft, trade, FA, whatever) and I’d rather sit LC than JC. Under that scenario, he would whine and complain like a child. I really want him off this team next year so we can work on upgrading the position without the predictable attitude problems.
My ideal wish would be for a true #1 slated to start opposite JC, but hope that Clowney emerges and has the chance to shine w Stuckey emerging as a slot receiver.

By: GANGGREEN

GANGGREEN — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:59:10 +0000

Sack Dance tell that to larry Johnson and Adrian Peterson…they both run at and attack defenders trying to tackle them…Would u say no to Peterson because he has a short NFL life….Hell no…Bring in Jacobs for 3 to 4 years not looking for a 10 year back they are few and far between…Bring the BEAST and lets beat up interior defensive line men and linebackers so in the 4th quarter Leon make them pay early and often….

By: zenlaw

zenlaw — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:30:26 +0000

Let’s not forget that Tanny went out last year and signed some fantastic FA’s. Try arguing that Faneca and Jenkins were not amazing signings. Also, the fact that the Jets were able to snag Favre (not withstanding the results) was quite a coup.

Tanny has also performed well in the draft by trading up for Revis, Harris and Keller, all of whom will be solid players for many years to come.

By: subwayfare

subwayfare — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:57:40 +0000

I wouldn’t say the QB showed “absolutely no discretion” with the football. There were games in which it appeared there was discretion shown and the team was successful, and other games in which it appeared there was virtually none and they weren’t. How much of the difference in those games can be attributed to game-planning, play-calling or the QB simply going off the reservation is pretty difficult to determine from the outside. I agree it’s hard to lay all the blame on Schottenheimer, or any individual, without inside information. I guess it’s clear who Woody and Mike T. felt was ultimately responsible for all the parts not coalescing.

By: seanmac31

seanmac31 — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:40:35 +0000

Steve,

When you have a quarterback who shows absolutely no discretion with the football, turnovers are going to happen. The Jets offense was 12th in yards per drive, 10th in points per drive, sixth in punts per drive (which is to say, they didn’t have to punt very often), eigth in fumbles per drive…and 32nd in the league in interceptions per drive.

I have a hard time putting that on the offensive coordinator.

By: SackDance99

SackDance99 — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:31:45 +0000

zenlaw, thanks for the shout out.

Ganggreen, besides the fact that it’s a pipe dream that the Jets could ever get Jacobs, his running style gives him a short NFL shelf life. It’s the shifty or speedy guys that last, not the upright “bruisers.” Because as big as Jacobs is, interior defensive linemen outweigh him and, as he’s slowed down, he’s a nice big target for the LBs and safeties.

lgs, how would we know who the leaders are on the Jets? Mangini had a press lockdown. It appears that Faneca has exerted leadership over the OL, which drastically improved in all phases of the game over 2007. Coles and TJ are also leaders on the team. On defense, it looks like Rhodes, Harris and, maybe, Jenkins are emerging as leaders.

Also, Cowher isn’t interested in coaching. The nutjob owner in Cleveland was willing to give Cowher complete control. He never turned down the Jets because he was never made an offer. As for Shanny, I don’t believe the Jets have interviewed him. Plus, as I posted earlier, all 4 coaches of the teams in the conference championship were assistant coaches before becoming HC’s. It’s a myth that an established HC is better than having an assistant coach.

We agree, however, about the Jets’ potentially drafting an RB, but I’d rather have Moreno than Wells. If you want to build a team, look at how AJ Smith drafts RBs for San Diego. What do LT, Michael Turner and Sproles all have in common? Speed. Moreno’s also pretty big, but he’s much more likely to take it to the house than Wells.

Oh, and I liked DMC, but if the Jets were going to trade up, they should’ve drafted Matt Ryan. Trading up for a franchise QB makes sense because it’s unlikely that you can snag one from someone’s practice squad. But, franchise RBs can be drafted in virtually any round or even off of a team’s practice squad. So, I’d never trade up for an RB. Big and fast WRs are a different story and Crabtree is great, but maybe the Jets should get the QB issue resolved before getting that unknown QB weapons.

By: zenlaw

zenlaw — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:57:39 +0000

Sackdance made so many good comments in this thread I don’t even know where to begin.

I don’t think fans have any right to complain about the draft picks. The Jets picked the right players at the right spots. I would have loved Cutler 3 years ago, but it would have been reaching with the 4th pick and trading down can be difficult. Also, D-brick was the consensus best o-lineman and a position that the Jets desperately needed to fill. Picking up Mangold solidified 05 as a good draft for the Jets.

The other issue that needs to be addressed is Ghoulston. Bassett, if you could look at last year’s posts, I’ll bet half of the people complaining about the Ghoulston pick today, are the same people who insisted on drafting Ghoulston 1 year ago. He was the player that fell to the Jets. No one on this blog was calling for Mayo over Ghoulston….no one. In 2008, the top 5 went exactly as predicted, and every NFL expert in the world agreed that Ghoulston was the next logical pick. The fact that Ghoulston hasn’t panned out yet, is not a knock on Tanny.

By: biebs

biebs — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:51:56 +0000

One comment I wanted to add on D’Brick. The rest of the first half of the draft class), with the exception of Cutler (who’s next win in a big situation will be his first) has been pretty mediocre. Here are the 15 picks after Brick.

AJ Hawk
Vernon Davis
Michael Huff
Donte Whitner
Ernie Sims
Matt Leinart
Jay Cutler
Haloti Ngata
Kamerion Wimbley
Brodrick Bunkley
Tye Hill
Jason Allen
Chad Greenway
Bobby Carpenter

By: Igs

Igs — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:12:23 +0000

Id love to see the Jets get Beenie. I’d love even more for them to make a move for Micheal Crabtree. I can dream right?
But think about this: When was the last time the Jets made a run at the Super Bowl? They had a big, go to receiver (Keyshawn) and a horribly inaccurate, strong armed QB. They should make a move. I’d even be willing to lose next years umber 1.

By: ridinmywave

ridinmywave — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:05:43 +0000

Yeah good post gangreen, but not so much the t.jones and coles for jacobs part, that’s kinda extreme. And besides jacobs IS a BIG brusing back, but I see him being riddled with injuries in the near future.

I say if he is still there, try to snag beanie wells in the first round, he would be the perfect compliment to leon in the coming years