Buzz: Are the Jets “Leaning” Towards Rex Ryan?
It seems today that Newsday is the only paper reporting that the organization might be finalizing their direction on one person and has a quote from a source attached to it.
The longer it takes for a coaching announcement to come out of Jets headquarters this week, the better things look for Rex Ryan.
The Baltimore defensive coordinator has emerged as a slight favorite to replace Eric Mangini, and as of last night, general manager Mike Tannenbaum was “leaning” toward Ryan, a league source familiar with the Jets’ search said.
That would reflect the consensus of the rest of those involved in the Jets’ extensive interview process, which involves not just Tannenbaum and owner Woody Johnson, but other selected members of the organization.
An organizational source, however, said “leaning” toward doesn’t mean “decided.”
It’s clear that the team has had a lot of discussions and considered a lot of candidates and now it seems that there’s some growing consensus within the building and consensus I might add not on a total schlub.
i hope we get Rex by next week if the ravens lose
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Cimini is reporting the same thing in the Daily News.
charleyjet. thanks. correct, the daily news is reporting it, but cimini doesn’t have any source quoted in it other than the Jets PR dept (see previous post) behind it.
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Ryan would probably be a good choice but, if they keep Schottenheimer as Offensive Coordinator — they are spinning their wheels. Schottenheimer is lost.
They could always fire Schott next year. We could even have a party for it, but for the young QB’s sakes keeping him makes some sense.
I think Schott is gone. They are waxing poetic about him in the disaster scenario that Spags gets hired this week and Ryan decides against the Jets. Then they will go with Schott and (think they are) saving face.
Don’t get me wrong, they like him a lot and don’t want to see him go, but they know Ryan will make that call and I think they are aware he may not bring him back and would be ok with that.
Is Schottenheimer that bad? They DID score 405 or so points this year. I think one year of him WITHOUT Mangini/Favre, then we can judge him on his merits.
I am afraid that this will turn into a scenario with Ryan in charge of the defense, Schott in charge of the offense– that doesn’t work. There needs to be one guy in charge of all aspects and phases of the game in order for things to be successful. Ryan has to have his values and ideas in place on both sides of the ball to have a great football team.
Yes, Anthony, Schott is THAT bad.
As I’ve said ad nauseum, it takes him a week to script two drives, then he’s clueless. Too often outsmarts himself… and still hasn’t a clue how to use Leon, Brad, Keller, Stuckey, etc… nor how to use all his tools collectively – - in one game. A player would get a lot of touches in one game, then you’d never see him again.
Schott is the *total schlub,* I don’t want anywhere near Jetslandistan!
Burf, Couldn’t have said it better.
Anthony, Don’t go by points scored. Were you watching the games? If he was a good coordinator, we would have scored 600 points.
We were originally on track to shatter our season record for points, which was set when the season was 14 weeks long, after the Titans game. We ended up 3rd on our list, with a weak schedule and over 100 points coming in two games (STL and ARI).
Harvlis–
You’re right, you can’t go solely by points. Some were on Leon’s returns, some from defensive scores, as well as two huge games against St. Louis and Arizona.
It seems that they want D Rex. If they wanted Spags or young Schott, they would have hired them already.
Only hire someone who has been a head coach, has a Super Bowl ring, and who has played the game. All these super assistants are long shots. Plus hire a grey beard in the front office to watch over Tannenbaum, and Woody for that matter. Cut Farve and move on.
I agree with Anthony… We had a QB that through 22 picks and still finished in the top 10 in scoring. I say give both Rex and Schott one year and if things don’t seem to change then we grab Cowher.
This is a smart hire if its gotta be a coordinator. If the Jets do this and draft offense in the first round, i may actually watch the next season. :-)
The reverse in terrible weather conditions is all I need to see to know I don’t want Schott. Everyone knows those plays do not work in those conditions.
I hate Schott, but I’m willing to bet that he can be an effective playcaller if he’s reigned in and if he gets a little more offensive support.
I meant to say I hated Schott this year. Thought he did a decet job with working around shortcomings year 1.
You guys keep beating the same drum ad nauseam.
You guys were the same way with Farve and Mangini and you were wrong on one and will be wrong on the second one as well. You guys keep having the same attituted that has kept us in this mess the last forty years. THE MORE THINGS CHANGE, THE MORE THEY REMAIN THE SAME !!!
Although Schotty can be stale at times he has proven to be dynamic innovator AND very effective OC.
There were SEVERAL factors that created our dysfuntional offense and our opponents knew them and we still had a success in rushing and scoring .
We had two glaring problems last year, one on offense and one on defense. DRex is correcting one and the other is retiring.
I gurantee Schott is staying. Cut him some slack !!
The Jets repeatedly called themselves a ‘gameplan’ team. I watched all the games. Sometimes players are role players, and they are great in those roles. Leon Washington is GREAT in his role, but he is not a 10-15 carry guy. You take the guy out of his role and he suffers (LaMont Jordan anyone?). When you start using your kick return guy in the offense, he loses a lot in his ability to return kicks (Dante Hall, Devin Hester).
I would prefer this be a power running team, that is the type of football I liked to play, and love to watch. That being said, I am sure these are the same people BASHING him for running on the Pats week 2, instead of letting his hall of fame QB win the game for him.
Let’s also remember, the Jets offensive skill personnell this year was simply not that good–
QB is what it is.
RB- Thomas Jones is a good back, but can anyone argue that he souldn’t be part of a one two punch? And not with Neon Leon, another back who can carry 15 times a game.
WR- Stale. Cotchery is a nice receiver, Coles stunk, there is no slot reciever or burner.
TE- Keller is a rookie. We don’t know what we have. Baker is a nice player.
With Mangini’s lockdown on assistant coaches taliking to the press and Mangini’s own closed-mouth responses, it’s hard to determine who ultimately called the plays. If it was entirely Schott’s call, then he bears a lot of responsibility for not sticking to the running game and the Jets base offense, especially when he brought in a QB without a training camp or even a playbook until August. The reverses, Brad Smith plays, 4 WR shotgun on 3rd and short and tackle eligible plays all should be scrapped. Establish the base offense and then start to get exotic with reverses, flea flickers, etc. The key is to surprise the defense and, too often, Schott’s gadget plays were predictable; so, why bother?
Callahan worked magic with Rich Gannon in Oakland, and although they used a west coast O, he still relied heavily on the run game and play action pass, which I think we should have used extensively this year instaed of the shotgun with an empty backfield.
I think Rex Ryan is a great choice because we have similar talent to the ravens with pace and jenkins we just need an aggressive coach who isnt afraid to blitz. Our offense is the real issue next year, can you really see Farve coming back after what kerry and thomas jones said. Even if he does are better off
Anthony, my problem with running the ball on the goal line against the Pats was the formation. A tackle eligible means run, it takes away even the slight threat that Favre would’ve play actioned. So, on defense why not gap eight and position the other three between the tackles? Mangini ran the ball out of the same formation 4 times in a row…you think the Pats were ready? Also, the Jets OL was still learning to play together, putting maximum pressure on the OL to push away a smart and good defense when they know the run is coming and who will run it just isn’t smart football. To me, that series was a microcosm of everything bad about Mangini. If it doesn’t work the first 2 times, maybe you try something else? How about that small in-game adjustment? In Seattle, when Favre was completing button hooks and comeback patterns, you think you might scrap the slants or seam passes? And, conversely, against the Raiders, when TJ just rips off 30 yards on 2 carries between the tackles, maybe you run it a 3rd time because it’s working? Bringing in Leon then told the defense that any run would be outside or a play action pass was coming…it let the defense off the hook. How about dictating to the defense and making them adjust and, then, exploit the defense’s adjustment? The Jets offense, especially the running game, could’ve been much better. How much is on Schott as opposed to Mangini (or even Favre), we’ll never know.
I agree to the fact that they are keeping Shotty as a back up plan.
Kellen Clemens is not a NFL QB,if anyone wants to give him a chance then i know your nuts.with That said,i would love Crabtree 1st And Spikes 2nd.Coles and Cochery could not get any space despite Shotty’s shotty play calling.I can only pray that Josh Freemon is there in the 2nd round so we can pick him up.Jets should have Taken Flacco last year like i said.Only the Ravens hasd the Balls to take him high.DRAFT THE DAMN BEST PLAYER YOU LIKE AT YOUR PICK AND NOT WHATS SAID TO GO AT YOUR PICK!!!!
Thanks SackDance…you said it WAY better than I could have. I’d be okay to have Callahan as my OC, since he likes the play action pass off a mostly run-based offense. Very Dan Henning like…
zartan – I agree with your draft strategy, and apparently so do the Pats. Logan Mankins and Jarod Mayo were considered “big reaches” for Pioli (on paper), but at the end of the day, no one really cares WHERE you got good players, only that you HAVE good players. for every Ryan and Flacco, there’s a Lienart, Losman, V. Young, Boller, Schuler, etc.
Let’s face it …it really IS a crapshoot how these guys will do at the next level ! But history does suggest that a guy carrying a clipboard for an extended period of time does reach their full potential (which may or may not be enough…see Romo, Delhomme, and Rodgers)
So there is still hope for Clemens et al.
For the record, I don’t either love or loath Schott. It just have become a very frustrating conversation at this point. All these coordinators, one year they are a genious, the next year they are terrible.
How many posters here had heard of Jim Schwartz before this year? Josh McDaniels? How many would have gone nuts if Schott was fired/left for another job after year one? Mike Hermidinger was our saviour a couple years ago, remember? He fell off the face of the earth, and now he is genious again. Jason Garrett was the next great offensive mind– now?
Its a very dangerous game to pass judgement on coordinators, especially from the couch. That is the only point I am trying to make.
Is schott that bad? My answer is yes. If he wasn’t why aren’t some/all of the teams with vacancies knocking on the door. You’ve got the answer. The leaugue has spoken by its silence.
As to Rex keeping schott, that would be a huge mistake. Hire harbaugh, callahan or the BC coach.
Anthony, I totally disagree with you about our Offensive talent. It was as good as there was in football. It was Shottenheimer, who was unable to utilize that talent, that made them seem average.
Our Offensive Line was more than adequate, for their first year of playing together.
Thomas Jones led the AFC in rushing with 1300+. He should have had 1800 yards but, Schottenheimer went away from the run, most of the time, when he should have been relying on it.
Tony Richardson is an All-Pro FB. He saw the ball TEN times all year for a 6.5yd average. He should have been a fixture in the backfield and he should have seen the ball much more. Instead we had the obvious “empty backfield” formation and Brett Favre ended up on his butt way too often.
Leon Washington is the most dangerous long-run back in the game. For more than half the games, Leon got the ball three times or less. Against Seattle, Leon got it once. He ran 47yds for a TD. Another brilliant job of utilizing talent. Schottenheimer had gold and didn’t use it.
If you don’t think that Dustin Keller is a future All-Pro, you weren’t watching. For the first nine games, Keller rarely saw the ball. Against the Rams, they went to him
6 times for 107 yds and a TD. He then helped us beat NE (8/87) and TN (6/42). In the Denver game, he dropped a pass on the first series. Although he went 7/77, the media said that Mangini ripped him after the game. In the last four games, he averaged two catches a game, as our season went down the drain. Another great job of utilizing our talent. But let’s not stop there.
Chansi Stuckey is a quality slot receiver. He runs great routes and he has excellent hands. He was averaging a TD a game, for the first three games and then he barely saw the ball. In the Miami game, he went 4/50 — too little, too late.
David Clowney showed his raw talent in the pre-season. Jet fans were pumped to see his breakaway speed but, he broke his collarbone. Even though he was ready at the end of the season, Schottenheimer got him the ball one time. It went for 26 yards.
Coles and Cotchery are both quality receivers. They are tough. They have very good hands. They go over the middle. They get yards after the catch. Many fans feel they can’t get separation. False. If the play-calling does not include play-action, pump-fakes, or some other kind of deception — it is not that easy for anyone to get separation.
Don’t tell me we didn’t have the talent. This was the worst job of coaching that I have seen in a long time. There wasn’t one weapon on the team that was used correctly. If we get a real Offensive Coordinator for 2009, you will see the difference.
Harvlis— I dont know what to say. Keller All-Pro? There is nothing you could have possibly seen that couuld justify that. The guy did NOTHING!! He is fast and has decent hands, and could be something— but he made zero plays this year. Not one time did he break a long run, break a tackle, make an outstanding catch. He sat in pockets and caught what was thrown.
Richardson is great. The offensive line was very good. Thomas Jones is adequate. It seems you have an inflated value of these players based on your partiality for the Jets. Clowney? Stuckey? These guys have done nothing!!
I have a problem with the sentiment that Manging and Schott, guys who saw these players in practice and games for up to THREE YEARS, are the morons and the posters, who watch the games in the stands, on the couch and read the newspaper are the better talent evaluators.
Sackdance – I agree with you about not knowing if Shott or mangini was to blame. I’ve read reports that Shott was held back a lot by Mangini. But is that just cutting him slack after the fact.
One thing you wrote I’m not sure I agree with. That the reverses, gadgets, etc didn’t work because everyone knew they were coming and they should have had their base offense together first. Ok, having your base O together first makes good sense, but Miami had great success all year (not counting playoffs) with the trick plays and everyone knew they were coming. Sometimesit seemed like the gadgets WERE Miami’s base O. Yes, they have 2 fast backs, but we have Leon and Brad, also both fast. I would argue that telegraphing the tricks plays killed them before they started. Again, hard to say if that was mangini’s or Shott’s fault, but if they are set up correctly, they should have some success.
Disclaimer: I agree that calling a reverse in the snow is folly.
Anthony, The guy who leads the conference in rushing is not average. He wasn’t stopped all year. He out ran Ladanian Tomlinson. If you were watching, Schott went away from the rushing game, more than he used it. As a result, Brett was forcing passes all over the field.
As for Keller, Stuckey, and Clowney — I guess you have to have an eye for talent and knowledge of the sport, to know that they are talented players.
As for Mangini and Schottenheimer. They were so brilliant that after going 8-3 we didn’t make the playoffs. They were so smart that they gave Leon the ball once or twice a game. Why do you think Mangini was gone, days after the season ended. He stunk! Schottenheimer is no better.
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I tend to agree with anthony because the with keller he face no covergae until after NE then he got shut down.He may be a good player but all-pro is a stretch and he needs to work on runnign routes and not DROPPING passes right at him!
Deven, No one said he would be All-Pro next year. After NE, he caught 6/42 at Tennessee and 7/77 against Denver. After that, we played San Fran, Buffalo, Seattle, and Miami. None of those teams are known to shut anyone down. They threw him the ball two times, each game. He is a rookie. Go back and watch what people said about him, during the NE or Tennessee games. He showed me enough to consider him a serious threat. He is a mis-match for almost any LB or DB. Let’s see what happens next year, if we get a new OC.
Is it just me or does Spags look like Brian Schottenhiemer and Ryan looks like Bill Clinton?
BoCash, you make Joe S. seem quiet and indecisive about who he wants for a head coach. I didn’t think it was possible…haha
Harvlis:
Good post, but the one nitpick I have (that I have admittedly seen from others too) is the criticism over how Tony Richardson was underused.
10 carries was actually the most he has had since 2004 and 65 yards was the most since 2002. I think this is a definite case of “less is more”. Having said that, if they eventually promote Jehuu Caulcrick, he is a great runner, so I would advocate giving him the rock a few times a game, especially near the goalline.
Harvlis–
To make those assumptions RE: Clowney, Stuckey and Keller, you are assuming you have a better eye for talent than the entire Jet organization. Not to say teams are never wrong, but you NEVER coached a practice, sat in a meeting room, gone through training camp or mini camp with these guys. I thought Clowney would be an asset too, but his playing time speaks to the fact that I overrated him.
As far as Thomas Jones, he is a nice back. You can probably list 10-15 backs you would prefer in the NFL off the top of your head (all things equal, injury, o line, yada yada). He is a nice player. That is all.
I have to disagree big time here Harvlis– I will post on another thread to continue the conversation.
Bent,
Caulcrick has a great opportunity to learn from the best blocking back in the game. In addition to his goal line ability, he was catching the ball out of the backfield, all pre-season. He is going to be a player.
As for Richardson, I wanted him in the backfield to block for Favre, TJ, and Leon, more than I wanted him running the ball but, you have to admit, when they gave it to him, he did a nice job. All season, we went away from what was working for us.
True. They did tend to go away from something before it stopped working a lot, rather than waiting until something was stopped and then reverting to a new plan.
I hope Richardson is prepared to re-sign and wonder if that would enhance rather than restrict JC’s development.
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