Comments on: Link: ‘It’s Never Us Vs. the Coaches’ http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-its-never-us-vs-the-coaches/ Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green Sun, 12 Feb 2012 08:20:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bent http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-its-never-us-vs-the-coaches/#comment-124120 Bent Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:42:30 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-its-never-us-vs-the-coaches/#comment-124120 Ben - you are absolutely right that they need to clear cap space, but the effect of releasing all tight ends except Keller would be give rise to a minimal cap saving. Guys they will look at releasing or restructuring and the savings they would generate include Barrett (3.7m) and Bowens (2.6m). Then they may look to restructure Moore (5.5m) and Ellis (4.6m) amongst others. Obviously Favre's 13m coming off the books and Coles (if traded to a team that will accept the guaranteed final year in his contract) 5m will help too. Igs/Wave etc - The key point for me in this debate, which could do without the name-calling by the way, is that if a late round pick is a complete failure there is no cap effect whereas if it happens with a top five pick, you are handcuffed financially for a couple of years. Sure, the chances of success are lower (obviously), but history has shown that they are not nil. It just hasn't worked out for the Jets yet. I feel similar about Sanchez as a draft prospect as I did about Clemens. He will probably be decent, but I am not exactly blown away by him. Ben – you are absolutely right that they need to clear cap space, but the effect of releasing all tight ends except Keller would be give rise to a minimal cap saving. Guys they will look at releasing or restructuring and the savings they would generate include Barrett (3.7m) and Bowens (2.6m). Then they may look to restructure Moore (5.5m) and Ellis (4.6m) amongst others. Obviously Favre’s 13m coming off the books and Coles (if traded to a team that will accept the guaranteed final year in his contract) 5m will help too.

Igs/Wave etc – The key point for me in this debate, which could do without the name-calling by the way, is that if a late round pick is a complete failure there is no cap effect whereas if it happens with a top five pick, you are handcuffed financially for a couple of years. Sure, the chances of success are lower (obviously), but history has shown that they are not nil. It just hasn’t worked out for the Jets yet.

I feel similar about Sanchez as a draft prospect as I did about Clemens. He will probably be decent, but I am not exactly blown away by him.

]]> By: Igs http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-its-never-us-vs-the-coaches/#comment-124030 Igs Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:37:56 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-its-never-us-vs-the-coaches/#comment-124030 Wave, YOU look at the late round picks as insurance picks. Championshp teams look at them as role players that are just as important as the team stars. The losers are the only guys talking about insurance picks. BTW. the Jets don't have enough of either. Sack, I'm not saying Tanny doesn't have his high points. I'm very high on Harris, Revis, and Lowery. Still think there are places where he could have done better, better pickss, less wasted picks. Wave, YOU look at the late round picks as insurance picks. Championshp teams look at them as role players that are just as important as the team stars.

The losers are the only guys talking about insurance picks. BTW. the Jets don’t have enough of either.

Sack,

I’m not saying Tanny doesn’t have his high points. I’m very high on Harris, Revis, and Lowery. Still think there are places where he could have done better, better pickss, less wasted picks.

]]> By: ridinmywave http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-its-never-us-vs-the-coaches/#comment-124009 ridinmywave Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:00:53 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-its-never-us-vs-the-coaches/#comment-124009 Lgs, At first I figured you to just be strongly opinionated and stuck in your ways, untill you come off to sound dumb and clueless. First of all you wanna bring up "making playoffs" and staistical accomplishments(irrelivant) after I smashed on your theory of having to build around a 1st rd. Qb to WIN A SUPERBOWL, and now you gonna talk about 4th, 5th, and 6th round busts??...there's no such thing idiot, that's why they are in the late rounds or not picked at all. Late round picks are merely insurance needs on a team, as that any body with football sense would tell,they are not future team investments and where you are looking for the future "leader" of your team. But a lot emerge as so once given the chance. And my point STILL remains that of these insurance and late round picks and non drafted signees, stars have and will contune to emerge once given that chance! What don't you understand. You wanna talk about"super bowl players??"..."stat leaders??"...."Making the playoffs??"....you trying to say those categories are merely compiled with first round picks?? That's your point now?? Your dumber than I thought Lgs,

At first I figured you to just be strongly opinionated and stuck in your ways, untill you come off to sound dumb and clueless. First of all you wanna bring up “making playoffs” and staistical accomplishments(irrelivant) after I smashed on your theory of having to build around a 1st rd. Qb to WIN A SUPERBOWL, and now you gonna talk about 4th, 5th, and 6th round busts??…there’s no such thing idiot, that’s why they are in the late rounds or not picked at all. Late round picks are merely insurance needs on a team, as that any body with football sense would tell,they are not future team investments and where you are looking for the future “leader” of your team. But a lot emerge as so once given the chance. And my point STILL remains that of these insurance and late round picks and non drafted signees, stars have and will contune to emerge once given that chance! What don’t you understand.

You wanna talk about”super bowl players??”…”stat leaders??”….”Making the playoffs??”….you trying to say those categories are merely compiled with first round picks?? That’s your point now?? Your dumber than I thought

]]> By: SackDance99 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-its-never-us-vs-the-coaches/#comment-124005 SackDance99 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:36:59 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-its-never-us-vs-the-coaches/#comment-124005 lgs, you're just too hard on Tanny's drafting prowess. First, it's really not fair to judge the 2008 draft, yet. VG looks like a weak pick, but Keller looked like the next great AFC TE until he made it into Mangini's doghouse. Lowery, Ainge, Henry and Garner were the 2nd day guys and Lowery could be a NFL starter at CB. If he is, that's amazing value for the 4th round. It's just too early to judge the others. Second, the 2007 draft was great. Revis is a Pro Bowler, Harris, if he can stay healthy, joins a long line of great Jets ILBs, and Stuckey was (and I think will be) a productive slot WR. The only misstep was Jacob Bender, a 6th rounder. Third, the 2006 draft has, so far, yielded 2 Pro Bowlers and a Pro Bowl alternate. Plus, E. Smith, B. Smith and D. Coleman have all had their moments. Schlegel and E. Smith weren't great 3rd round picks given the guys available, but it's hard to say that the '06 draft was disappointing. lgs, you’re just too hard on Tanny’s drafting prowess. First, it’s really not fair to judge the 2008 draft, yet. VG looks like a weak pick, but Keller looked like the next great AFC TE until he made it into Mangini’s doghouse. Lowery, Ainge, Henry and Garner were the 2nd day guys and Lowery could be a NFL starter at CB. If he is, that’s amazing value for the 4th round. It’s just too early to judge the others. Second, the 2007 draft was great. Revis is a Pro Bowler, Harris, if he can stay healthy, joins a long line of great Jets ILBs, and Stuckey was (and I think will be) a productive slot WR. The only misstep was Jacob Bender, a 6th rounder. Third, the 2006 draft has, so far, yielded 2 Pro Bowlers and a Pro Bowl alternate. Plus, E. Smith, B. Smith and D. Coleman have all had their moments. Schlegel and E. Smith weren’t great 3rd round picks given the guys available, but it’s hard to say that the ’06 draft was disappointing.

]]> By: Igs http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-its-never-us-vs-the-coaches/#comment-123998 Igs Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:15:02 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-its-never-us-vs-the-coaches/#comment-123998 Wave, you're an idiot. You talk about the busts that come from round 1. But you refuse to aknowledge the busts that come from rounds 3,4,5,6,7. You got the blinders on man. Wave, you’re an idiot.

You talk about the busts that come from round 1. But you refuse to aknowledge the busts that come from rounds 3,4,5,6,7. You got the blinders on man.

]]> By: Igs http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-its-never-us-vs-the-coaches/#comment-123997 Igs Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:12:37 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-its-never-us-vs-the-coaches/#comment-123997 Wave. We all lose. Every year. And the same old strategy is why. But like I said. Check any category and see what round the majority of the QBs are from: 1. Superbowl winners 2. Superbowl players 3. pro-bowlers 4. making the playoffs 5. touchdown leaders 6. overall wins 7. etc, etc. Or like I said, 3 out of the 4 QBs that are in the conference championship as we speak. You lose. The NFL aint that diff. Players make more money, get faster, bigger, strategy stays the same. Wave. We all lose. Every year. And the same old strategy is why. But like I said. Check any category and see what round the majority of the QBs are from:

1. Superbowl winners
2. Superbowl players
3. pro-bowlers
4. making the playoffs
5. touchdown leaders
6. overall wins
7. etc, etc.

Or like I said, 3 out of the 4 QBs that are in the conference championship as we speak.

You lose.

The NFL aint that diff. Players make more money, get faster, bigger, strategy stays the same.

]]> By: SackDance99 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-its-never-us-vs-the-coaches/#comment-123995 SackDance99 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:04:55 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-its-never-us-vs-the-coaches/#comment-123995 When I was debating draft strategy last year, I noticed that the vast majority of successful 1st round QBs were taken in the top half of the first round. As for second half of the first round or second or third round QBs, there's almost as many good second day or UDFA QBs. My conclusion was that either a team drafts a top QB prospect in the top half of the draft (and trade up if the team wants) or forget about QB until the second day. The reason for this is that there is so much value in other positions that the opportunity cost of taking a flyer on a QB that lasts until the 20th pick is that a team might gloss over a great prospect at the non-glamour (and cheaper to sign) positions, like OG, OC, TE, ILB or S. So, IMO, the Jets probably shouldn't draft a QB at 17 because it's likely that the QB won't end up being a good pro. When I was debating draft strategy last year, I noticed that the vast majority of successful 1st round QBs were taken in the top half of the first round. As for second half of the first round or second or third round QBs, there’s almost as many good second day or UDFA QBs. My conclusion was that either a team drafts a top QB prospect in the top half of the draft (and trade up if the team wants) or forget about QB until the second day. The reason for this is that there is so much value in other positions that the opportunity cost of taking a flyer on a QB that lasts until the 20th pick is that a team might gloss over a great prospect at the non-glamour (and cheaper to sign) positions, like OG, OC, TE, ILB or S. So, IMO, the Jets probably shouldn’t draft a QB at 17 because it’s likely that the QB won’t end up being a good pro.

]]> By: Igs http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-its-never-us-vs-the-coaches/#comment-123994 Igs Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:01:14 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-its-never-us-vs-the-coaches/#comment-123994 Pete, Tanny's a decent day 1 guy. i think he could've done better than Gholston and Keller this year. I don't think he's so great on day 2 and in the rookie FA market. He has had his bright spots but I'm really far from the point where I can trust that the franchise is in good hands with him. Pete,

Tanny’s a decent day 1 guy. i think he could’ve done better than Gholston and Keller this year. I don’t think he’s so great on day 2 and in the rookie FA market. He has had his bright spots but I’m really far from the point where I can trust that the franchise is in good hands with him.

]]> By: ridinmywave http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-its-never-us-vs-the-coaches/#comment-123993 ridinmywave Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:01:10 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-its-never-us-vs-the-coaches/#comment-123993 i cant wait for the draft either, im kinda dissapointed that spikes is going back to school, would have been a great replacement for barton. and they just said harvick is coming out, not too excieted about him anyway i cant wait for the draft either, im kinda dissapointed that spikes is going back to school, would have been a great replacement for barton. and they just said harvick is coming out, not too excieted about him anyway

]]> By: Pete57 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-its-never-us-vs-the-coaches/#comment-123992 Pete57 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:00:50 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-its-never-us-vs-the-coaches/#comment-123992 lgs, I have to disagree. The NFL is much different today. Mainly because of the money. A team cannot afford to be wrong with a top pick, especially if it's a QB. The money that they sink into a high QB pick, will cause a team to stick with him for at least 3-4 years, and if in the end it doesn't work out, the franchise suffers a serious setback. Also because of the money, teams are forced to play a high pick QB right away. Back in Simms day, that wasn't the case. lgs, I have to disagree. The NFL is much different today. Mainly because of the money. A team cannot afford to be wrong with a top pick, especially if it’s a QB. The money that they sink into a high QB pick, will cause a team to stick with him for at least 3-4 years, and if in the end it doesn’t work out, the franchise suffers a serious setback. Also because of the money, teams are forced to play a high pick QB right away. Back in Simms day, that wasn’t the case.

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