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]]> By: Harvlis http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-salfinos-post-mortem/#comment-124274 Harvlis Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:21:39 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-salfinos-post-mortem/#comment-124274 Bent, thanks for the info. I don't really have a problem with Pace. His up and down season was probably due to coaching. Unfortunately, he is not a down lineman. D'Brick is just fine. He is the last guy we need to worry about. Goalie, Tannenbaum is capable of just about anything, on draft day. His choice will depend upon who is sitting there at seventeen. If he doesn't like what he sees, he will move back and pick up draft picks. He might trade the pick for a QB, prior to the draft. He might have to use it for compensation for Oaklands Cornerback whos name I can't spell. Bent, thanks for the info. I don’t really have a problem with Pace. His up and down season was probably due to coaching. Unfortunately, he is not a down lineman.

D’Brick is just fine. He is the last guy we need to worry about.

Goalie, Tannenbaum is capable of just about anything, on draft day. His choice will depend upon who is sitting there at seventeen. If he doesn’t like what he sees, he will move back and pick up draft picks. He might trade the pick for a QB, prior to the draft. He might have to use it for compensation for Oaklands Cornerback whos name I can’t spell.

]]> By: Salfino http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-salfinos-post-mortem/#comment-124181 Salfino Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:31:53 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-salfinos-post-mortem/#comment-124181 Stiff is a little harsh for Ferguson. Journeyman-level starting tackle is more like it. If he were a fourth-round pick, not fourth overall, people would think the Jets at least filled the position. But these people would be advising an upgrade if someone dominant ever became available. Stiff is a little harsh for Ferguson. Journeyman-level starting tackle is more like it. If he were a fourth-round pick, not fourth overall, people would think the Jets at least filled the position. But these people would be advising an upgrade if someone dominant ever became available.

]]> By: Bent http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-salfinos-post-mortem/#comment-124119 Bent Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:41:13 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-salfinos-post-mortem/#comment-124119 Harvlis - (you knew this was coming) trading Pace is not an option for financial reasons. As they only signed him last year, the balance of his signing bonus would be accelerated against the cap. This would give rise to a huge cap hit which would use up $7m of additional cap space in 2008, even after taking into account the salary saved by him no longer being on the team. They cannot afford that, so Pace will either continue in his current role if they remain in a 3-4, or perhaps will play the Kiwanuka role (which suits his skillset well) if Spags wins the job. D'Brick is no stiff... Harvlis – (you knew this was coming) trading Pace is not an option for financial reasons. As they only signed him last year, the balance of his signing bonus would be accelerated against the cap. This would give rise to a huge cap hit which would use up $7m of additional cap space in 2008, even after taking into account the salary saved by him no longer being on the team. They cannot afford that, so Pace will either continue in his current role if they remain in a 3-4, or perhaps will play the Kiwanuka role (which suits his skillset well) if Spags wins the job.

D’Brick is no stiff…

]]> By: GoalieTJ1 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-salfinos-post-mortem/#comment-124105 GoalieTJ1 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 06:17:31 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-salfinos-post-mortem/#comment-124105 With most of our positions reasonably filled with decent talent, how come no one is talking about trading out of the first round or the possibility of future first round picks....especially with the array ofquarterbacks and players staying for their senior year next year. With some sucessfull coaching and game planning, i believe we can easily improve upon 9 wins, plus in my opinion our schedule may even be a bit easier for next year With most of our positions reasonably filled with decent talent, how come no one is talking about trading out of the first round or the possibility of future first round picks….especially with the array ofquarterbacks and players staying for their senior year next year. With some sucessfull coaching and game planning, i believe we can easily improve upon 9 wins, plus in my opinion our schedule may even be a bit easier for next year

]]> By: Salfino http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-salfinos-post-mortem/#comment-124024 Salfino Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:07:09 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-salfinos-post-mortem/#comment-124024 Fair point on the Newsday piece. But if he didn't prefer Schottenheimer why on earth would he be torn? As for Derek Anderson, he threw 29 TD passes his first year as a starter and has a top five NFL arm. If he was in this draft, he would go way higher than the 17th pick. You have a 50/50 chance with first-round picks at best. To prove my point, how about that stiff D'Brickashaw for Anderson. Or, gasp, how about Brick for Jay Freakin' Cutler. Finally, as for the point about Tannenbaum's power, a stronger candidate could absolutely undermine Tannenbaum in his first clash with the GM over a player. These clashes happen all the time in the NFL. And if the coach had some success first and was a bit of a hit, how on earth would Woody Johnson answer the mostly rhetorical question, "What has Mike Tannenbaum ever done other than spend you silly for nothing in return prior to my arrival?" Bill Parcells used to complain to the Maras about George Young about five times a year. And that was George Young, one of the best player pickers ever. A GM never wants to pick a coach who could get him fired or effectively neutered of power via failure or success. Fair point on the Newsday piece. But if he didn’t prefer Schottenheimer why on earth would he be torn?

As for Derek Anderson, he threw 29 TD passes his first year as a starter and has a top five NFL arm. If he was in this draft, he would go way higher than the 17th pick. You have a 50/50 chance with first-round picks at best. To prove my point, how about that stiff D’Brickashaw for Anderson. Or, gasp, how about Brick for Jay Freakin’ Cutler.

Finally, as for the point about Tannenbaum’s power, a stronger candidate could absolutely undermine Tannenbaum in his first clash with the GM over a player. These clashes happen all the time in the NFL. And if the coach had some success first and was a bit of a hit, how on earth would Woody Johnson answer the mostly rhetorical question, “What has Mike Tannenbaum ever done other than spend you silly for nothing in return prior to my arrival?” Bill Parcells used to complain to the Maras about George Young about five times a year. And that was George Young, one of the best player pickers ever.

A GM never wants to pick a coach who could get him fired or effectively neutered of power via failure or success.

]]> By: Harvlis http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-salfinos-post-mortem/#comment-124022 Harvlis Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:50:05 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-salfinos-post-mortem/#comment-124022 Jameson, I like Pace but, he was exposed, when asked to drop into coverage. We can't have two outside backers with no coverage ability. Pace has admitted that he cannot play DE in a 4-3. If the next coach decides to go that way, where would we play Pace? He does have ability so, he might be of value to the Browns. Coaching was so poor that, if used properly, Pace could be a monster. He had some strong games. I might be very wrong but, as we are not going to get a talented player for free, this seemed like an option. Jameson, I like Pace but, he was exposed, when asked to drop into coverage. We can’t have two outside backers with no coverage ability. Pace has admitted that he cannot play DE in a 4-3. If the next coach decides to go that way, where would we play Pace? He does have ability so, he might be of value to the Browns.

Coaching was so poor that, if used properly, Pace could be a monster. He had some strong games.

I might be very wrong but, as we are not going to get a talented player for free, this seemed like an option.

]]> By: Bassett http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-salfinos-post-mortem/#comment-123976 Bassett Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:34:41 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-salfinos-post-mortem/#comment-123976 If Harlan will allow me to infringe on his thing ... kewpie doll to biebs. If Harlan will allow me to infringe on his thing … kewpie doll to biebs.

]]> By: Harvlis http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-salfinos-post-mortem/#comment-123970 Harvlis Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:28:22 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-salfinos-post-mortem/#comment-123970 Biebs, Absolutely. If that was true, how can they even think of keeping Schottenheimer. Pete, You would think that, if your job was to report on the Jets for a major newspaper, that you would have some kind of relationship with the team. If you have the power of the press, it would make sense for Jet management to want to have you on their side. For these guys to write fiction shows you how unconnected they are. Biebs, Absolutely. If that was true, how can they even think of keeping Schottenheimer.

Pete, You would think that, if your job was to report on the Jets for a major newspaper, that you would have some kind of relationship with the team. If you have the power of the press, it would make sense for Jet management to want to have you on their side. For these guys to write fiction shows you how unconnected they are.

]]> By: jameson http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-salfinos-post-mortem/#comment-123966 jameson Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:24:15 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/15/link-salfinos-post-mortem/#comment-123966 Biebs-bingo! Schotty has been getting praised for his scripted drives, and criticized for his inability to make game-time adjustments. If this is true that Mangini was the brain behind it- then we fired the wrong coach. All of this talk about "really wanting" Schotty must be to keep him around as an option for OC; options are better than no options. Harvlis, what's this talk about trading Pace?! No way man! Not for Derek Anderson. Baltimore has replicated the success of the championship Steelers (with rookie-Ben); you don't need a MVP behind center to win ball games, just a big arm and 12-15 passes a game. I think we have that with our youngsters. Biebs-bingo! Schotty has been getting praised for his scripted drives, and criticized for his inability to make game-time adjustments. If this is true that Mangini was the brain behind it- then we fired the wrong coach.

All of this talk about “really wanting” Schotty must be to keep him around as an option for OC; options are better than no options.

Harvlis, what’s this talk about trading Pace?!

No way man! Not for Derek Anderson. Baltimore has replicated the success of the championship Steelers (with rookie-Ben); you don’t need a MVP behind center to win ball games, just a big arm and 12-15 passes a game. I think we have that with our youngsters.

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