Comments on: Buzz: Trying to Turn the Corner http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/16/buzz-trying-to-turn-the-corner/ Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green Sun, 12 Feb 2012 08:20:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: hank/naples http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/16/buzz-trying-to-turn-the-corner/#comment-124410 hank/naples Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:44:57 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/16/buzz-trying-to-turn-the-corner/#comment-124410 zartan, Hall was not a positive influence on the team nor did he fit Mangini's mold. Acquiring Hall now will be counterproductive because we have Lowery who is about to get another shot and a team that is already built on Mangini's values. We have enough talent on this team we just need a meatgrinder on both sides of the ball. Jenkins needs help and also at right tackle because we can't successfully run at the left side of the field with Ferguson. I think Murrell and Trusnik will replace Barton and Harris will be healthy again. Gholston is coming, I repeat Gholston is coming!!!! Thomas will eventually be moved inside and also on the line on certain packages. zartan,

Hall was not a positive influence on the team nor did he fit Mangini’s mold. Acquiring Hall now will be counterproductive because we have Lowery who is about to get another shot and a team that is already built on Mangini’s values.

We have enough talent on this team we just need a meatgrinder on both sides of the ball. Jenkins needs help and also at right tackle because we can’t successfully run at the left side of the field with Ferguson. I think Murrell and Trusnik will replace Barton and Harris will be healthy again. Gholston is coming, I repeat Gholston is coming!!!! Thomas will eventually be moved inside and also on the line on certain packages.

]]> By: hank/naples http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/16/buzz-trying-to-turn-the-corner/#comment-124408 hank/naples Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:39:39 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/16/buzz-trying-to-turn-the-corner/#comment-124408 ian and ridinmywave, Didn't you guys say the same thing about Andre Dyson a few years back when Mangini got him off the street. Look at him last year (plaxico burress highlight --- he spins dyson around and runs for a 50 yard touchdown) Lito Sheppard is not the solution, drafting a cornerback is not the solution!!!! Allowing Lowery to develop into a solid corner is the solution. I believe Mangini wanted a shutdown corner on one side and an intelligent football player who had a feel for ballhawking on the other side. What Mangini envisioned was the second coming of Felix Wright and Frank Minnefield of the 80s Browns. ian and ridinmywave,

Didn’t you guys say the same thing about Andre Dyson a few years back when Mangini got him off the street. Look at him last year (plaxico burress highlight — he spins dyson around and runs for a 50 yard touchdown) Lito Sheppard is not the solution, drafting a cornerback is not the solution!!!! Allowing Lowery to develop into a solid corner is the solution. I believe Mangini wanted a shutdown corner on one side and an intelligent football player who had a feel for ballhawking on the other side. What Mangini envisioned was the second coming of Felix Wright and Frank Minnefield of the 80s Browns.

]]> By: zartan http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/16/buzz-trying-to-turn-the-corner/#comment-124285 zartan Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:42:05 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/16/buzz-trying-to-turn-the-corner/#comment-124285 D'Angelo Hall was available and we got Law for more money.I really like hall.a pass rush can come from a good sceam.We need smart LBs that can cover guys and not just make takles like Barton and Vilma.Maybe Harris.Get Crabtree or draft a smart LB.I beg that we can get freemon in the 2nd round if not Sanchez in the 1st. D’Angelo Hall was available and we got Law for more money.I really like hall.a pass rush can come from a good sceam.We need smart LBs that can cover guys and not just make takles like Barton and Vilma.Maybe Harris.Get Crabtree or draft a smart LB.I beg that we can get freemon in the 2nd round if not Sanchez in the 1st.

]]> By: Brad http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/16/buzz-trying-to-turn-the-corner/#comment-124272 Brad Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:12:12 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/16/buzz-trying-to-turn-the-corner/#comment-124272 Since we are talking about next year, who need- started looking at some mock drafts and player rankings, player profiles! Round 1- Trade down- late 20's or early 2nd round- to pick Tyson Jackson- DE- 6'5" 290 from LSU! Option 2- Trade down to mid 20's and get William Moore or whatever top CB is still left( DJ Moore, Alphonso smith, Darius butler, I am not found of the body type and speed of the LB that i see coming out except for Laurinaitis and Maualuga which wont be around when we pick! There are not many DE that have the size to play in the 3-4 except for Tyson Jackson so he would be my priority! He is not expected to be picked til the end of the first or into the 2nd! trade down, save money, cap space and aqcuire an extra mid round pick! Next priority in round 2 is CB or Safety- The CB that are expected to go in round 2 dont seem so fast, and we have lowery for not fast CB- but later on 4th rd maybe take a chance on Domonique Johnson- has the speed and size 4.40 and 6'2", just didnt play in a good school- Div.II i believe. So i would go with safety in round 2- Patrick Chung should be available. 3rd round- maybe take a chance on ILB- Jason Phillips- dont know much about him but ranked in the middle of the pack- 4.60 speed 235lbs 6'1"- good speedy replacement for Barton! Round 1-2- Tyson Jackson - DE 6'5" 290lbs 4.90speed Round 2- Patrick Chung- S 6'0" 210lbs 4.55 speed Round 3- Jason Phillips- ILB 6'1" 234lbs 4.60 speed Round 4- Domonique Johnson - CB 6'2" 200lbs 4.40 Since we are talking about next year, who need- started looking at some mock drafts and player rankings, player profiles!
Round 1- Trade down- late 20′s or early 2nd round- to pick Tyson Jackson- DE- 6’5″ 290 from LSU!
Option 2- Trade down to mid 20′s and get William Moore or whatever top CB is still left( DJ Moore, Alphonso smith, Darius butler,

I am not found of the body type and speed of the LB that i see coming out except for Laurinaitis and Maualuga which wont be around when we pick!

There are not many DE that have the size to play in the 3-4 except for Tyson Jackson so he would be my priority! He is not expected to be picked til the end of the first or into the 2nd! trade down, save money, cap space and aqcuire an extra mid round pick! Next priority in round 2 is CB or Safety- The CB that are expected to go in round 2 dont seem so fast, and we have lowery for not fast CB- but later on 4th rd maybe take a chance on Domonique Johnson- has the speed and size 4.40 and 6’2″, just didnt play in a good school- Div.II i believe. So i would go with safety in round 2- Patrick Chung should be available. 3rd round- maybe take a chance on ILB- Jason Phillips- dont know much about him but ranked in the middle of the pack- 4.60 speed 235lbs 6’1″- good speedy replacement for Barton!
Round 1-2- Tyson Jackson – DE 6’5″ 290lbs 4.90speed
Round 2- Patrick Chung- S 6’0″ 210lbs 4.55 speed
Round 3- Jason Phillips- ILB 6’1″ 234lbs 4.60 speed
Round 4- Domonique Johnson – CB 6’2″ 200lbs 4.40

]]> By: JustAGreenGuy http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/16/buzz-trying-to-turn-the-corner/#comment-124270 JustAGreenGuy Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:06:45 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/16/buzz-trying-to-turn-the-corner/#comment-124270 Miller couldn't win the job in Oakland. He could barely return kicks. Assante Samuel went for the money it would have been tough to afford him too. Miller couldn’t win the job in Oakland. He could barely return kicks. Assante Samuel went for the money it would have been tough to afford him too.

]]> By: The Ed(itor) http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/16/buzz-trying-to-turn-the-corner/#comment-124266 The Ed(itor) Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:55:52 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/16/buzz-trying-to-turn-the-corner/#comment-124266 I have to agree that have 12 or 13 DBs on the roster obviously did not help the pass Defense. Of course it didn't help that Assante Samul nubbed Mangiuni and went to the Eagles. He must have known something. I also thought they never gave Justin Miller a real chance to win the job. I have to agree that have 12 or 13 DBs on the roster obviously did not help the pass Defense. Of course it didn’t help that Assante Samul nubbed Mangiuni and went to the Eagles. He must have known something. I also thought they never gave Justin Miller a real chance to win the job.

]]> By: The Chad http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/16/buzz-trying-to-turn-the-corner/#comment-124240 The Chad Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:39:18 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/16/buzz-trying-to-turn-the-corner/#comment-124240 I wouldn't mind seeing coles in a package to philly for shepard. Problem is, with desean jackson on one side, would you really want coles on the other. if i were philly, i would want a big guy to complement jackson. I wouldn’t mind seeing coles in a package to philly for shepard. Problem is, with desean jackson on one side, would you really want coles on the other. if i were philly, i would want a big guy to complement jackson.

]]> By: ian http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/16/buzz-trying-to-turn-the-corner/#comment-124234 ian Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:15:44 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/16/buzz-trying-to-turn-the-corner/#comment-124234 ridinmywave nailed it: lito shephard is still in his late 20's has a couple of pro-bowls, played in a blitz heavy scheme, and is tucked away on philly bench right now. i wanted them to go after him right after eagles signed assante, and i don't know why they didn't. ridinmywave nailed it: lito shephard is still in his late 20′s has a couple of pro-bowls, played in a blitz heavy scheme, and is tucked away on philly bench right now. i wanted them to go after him right after eagles signed assante, and i don’t know why they didn’t.

]]> By: Brad http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/16/buzz-trying-to-turn-the-corner/#comment-124225 Brad Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:41:42 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/16/buzz-trying-to-turn-the-corner/#comment-124225 Bent thanks for the info! To clarify- i was talking about releasing, cutting all the guys i listed- saying i believe that would free up around 20-25mil if that happened, but a lot of ifs, cutting, and trading to get that number. On Igs point! Do we really need another true shutdown corner, wouldnt a 2nd teir guy work too. I am inline with this point of view too. Might be better to invest in our Dline- front 3! You look at the front 3 of the elite 3-4 def. teams and they just dominate. We could definitely use an upgrade on the line replacing Coleman! Did he have any sacks or pressures on the QB? Ellis isnt getting younger, but had a pretty good season- 7-8 sacks! And Jenkins did great til the last few games when he supposedly got nicked up- herniated disc and hip bruise! The key to defense is putting pressure on the QB, making him uncomfortable and throwing the ball under pressure causing mistakes. CB's rarely put pressure on the QB. As seen with good fronts, even teams with average CB's- if pressure is applied the CB's hold there own and look good- AKA THE GIANTS Bent thanks for the info! To clarify- i was talking about releasing, cutting all the guys i listed- saying i believe that would free up around 20-25mil if that happened, but a lot of ifs, cutting, and trading to get that number.

On Igs point! Do we really need another true shutdown corner, wouldnt a 2nd teir guy work too. I am inline with this point of view too. Might be better to invest in our Dline- front 3! You look at the front 3 of the elite 3-4 def. teams and they just dominate. We could definitely use an upgrade on the line replacing Coleman! Did he have any sacks or pressures on the QB? Ellis isnt getting younger, but had a pretty good season- 7-8 sacks! And Jenkins did great til the last few games when he supposedly got nicked up- herniated disc and hip bruise! The key to defense is putting pressure on the QB, making him uncomfortable and throwing the ball under pressure causing mistakes. CB’s rarely put pressure on the QB. As seen with good fronts, even teams with average CB’s- if pressure is applied the CB’s hold there own and look good- AKA THE GIANTS

]]> By: GANGGREEN http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/16/buzz-trying-to-turn-the-corner/#comment-124223 GANGGREEN Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:37:23 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/16/buzz-trying-to-turn-the-corner/#comment-124223 ASOMUGHA is scheduled to make 11 million this year and 14 million next year for the raiders..AL DAVIS has already commented on using the FRANCHISE tag on him if necessary so i really dont think ASO will be an option ...IF we use most of our CAP money on signing ASO that means we probably would barely have enough to sign our draft picks...BOLD move if Mike T could swing it but I dont like selling the FARM for 1 player(AKA like 12 million for FAVRE last year).. ASOMUGHA is scheduled to make 11 million this year and 14 million next year for the raiders..AL DAVIS has already commented on using the FRANCHISE tag on him if necessary so i really dont think ASO will be an option …IF we use most of our CAP money on signing ASO that means we probably would barely have enough to sign our draft picks…BOLD move if Mike T could swing it but I dont like selling the FARM for 1 player(AKA like 12 million for FAVRE last year)..

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