TJB Chat Hijack — ESPN James Walker
Here’s a little recent chat from ESPN.com. As usual, I answer the question that someone didn’t ask me about the Jets as well …
Justin (Queens, NY) – What is your opinion of the Jets moves (Shepard, Scott, Leonhard) on defense? Will they be as vicious as Scott claims?
JAMES WALKER — All good signings for New York. Baltimore spends a lot of money on the defensive side of the ball and it appears Rex Ryan is taking that same train of thought with him to New York. You will like his scheme. It’s very unique.
Brian Bassett — I think so. The Jets had most of the personnel last year to get after the quarterback, now they have the mastermind who will mix and match defenses, scheme up many blitzes and that is very stout up front against the run. With adding Sheppard, he might not be Revis’ caliber, but you have to consider that Ryan talked a lot early on about how Ed Reed’s ranginess was schemed that way. If Sheppard can take care of the initial part of coverage, Rhodes can cheat more his way, knowing that Revis doesn’t need much help. This defense just got a lot better against the pass and run.
The team still needs to address the defensive line for long-term viability, but the linebackers and secondary are going to be set with some minor tweaks now for a while.
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The Jets are still a big DE pass rusher away from being an elite defense. That is, by the way, what Ghoulston did in college..
But we seem to have incrementally improved again, which is a good thing.
Does anyone know why Tyson Jackson has leaped up mock drafts? He has good size for a 3-4 end and was originally predicted to still be available at our pick.
Bassett and or Bent – What is your impression of DE- Tyson Jackson! If he is available at 17- should we take him? All i’ve read is he is the best 3-4 DE in the draft! Is he worth taking at 17 if available?
If anyone remembers the defense we had under Donnie Hendersen his FIRST year. He was a ravens secondary coach and was very aggressive with varied blitzing. Mixing up the 4-3 and 3-4 alot.
I think that is the type of defense we will see style wise. Hopefully Rex takes it up a notch and then we are really cooking.
Jackson is the elite 3-4 defensive end in the draft, but looking at the number of teams who have a need for 3-4 lineman in front of the Jets, don’t hold your breath (GB, SF, Den).
Based on how weak the drafts defensive back class is considered to be, the Jets trade for Lito was unbelievably smart. There isn’t really a player in the first round with his ability. Jenkins is the only one who comes even close, and he ran poorly at the combine.
Actually, I think the Jets are a performing Vernon Gholston away from having a good defense. One could substitute a performing Bryan Thomas but I have given up hope for him. Perhaps we should also give up on VG. I look forward to seeing if Ryan and Pettine can turn this bust into the pass rusher that will transform our defense into a dominating one.
I just don’t think we can commit more money to the OLB position so I don’t count on another OLB #1 pick. Either Bryan or Vernon need to perform. If they do, assuming a healthy Jenkins and the new guys performing as hoped, this could be quite the transformation.
harlan
Tyson Jackson is all run support. Sets the edge and provides little to no push. He would not be a terrible pick…but is really a 25-30 pick value. He will be pushed higher due to KC, GB and Den all switchin to the 3-4 and SD needing to replace Olshansky. Jarron Gilbert is another 3-4 DE that is a fast riser. 6-5 1/4 288 4.87 San Jose St. He is tremendously athletic as shown in his sensational youtube clip. He is shown squatting in a pool (filled with water) and jumping out. He is an athletic freak! Also can rush the passer 9.5 sacks his senior year as a 4-3 DT. Could be a possibility at 17 by the time the draft rolls around.
Brad,
Tyson Jackson is a guy who I’ve seen a lot of. He slowly added weight over the course of his career. Initiailly he was thought of as an athletics pass rusher but then in 2006 he only had one sack in the first 8 games and many were disappointed with his production.
However, that was because, as he added the weight, he became more of a run stuffer. He will collapse the pocket and get into the backfield too and is especially adept at batting down passes at the line.
The knocks on him are that his effort is not always seen as consistent by some and that he had a lot of other talent on that line with him.
He could be a very good 3-4 DE. Is he worth the 17th pick? I’m not really sure.
In terms of whether or not we need a DE, I guess it has to be at or near the top of the list as far as wants and needs are concerned.
As a 3-4 end Jackson will rarely collapse the pocket…pure edge setter/run stuffer.
At one time he was projected to go in the top ten. Projections changed to second round. He is currently anywhere from 12 to 32 due to the glut of 3-4 teams and the fact that he is currently the only 3-4 end seen as a 1st round value.
Thanks for the input Bent and others!
That Jarron Gilbert 6′5″ 290 lbs. 4.87 40 time- 22 TFL and 9.5 sacks last year – sounds pretty good, from san jose st.- reunite with Lowery! DT convert to a DE.
Also Ron Brace 6′3″ 335lbs. to back up Jenkins cause puoha did not do the job last year.
Why is Gholston considered such a bust! I think it was Mangenius who was responsible for VG’s lack of performance – here’s a stud pass rusher who was thrown into an extra-ordinarily complicated defense and told to drop into zone or man coverage, take on blockers for other would-be tacklers, and recognize varied offenses from multiple formations!
He should have been fed the defense in bits and pieces. First, hwe should have been put in on passing downs, pined back his ears, shown a picture of Tom Brady and told to attack. After he got comfortable being on the field and feeling the speed of the game then put him in on other downs to learn slowly.
But he was never given the chance – too much thinking means slow play and mistakes! I think Rexy will treat him like he did Suggs and Scott – let him do what he does very well and teach him the rest as the season progresses.
Brace could definitely be on the radar depending on where he grades out by the time the draft rolls around! Can’t see him making it out of the second round.