Comments on: TJB Chat Hijack — ESPN James Walker http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/03/04/tjb-chat-hijack-espn-james-walker/ Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green Sun, 12 Feb 2012 08:20:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Live4Draft http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/03/04/tjb-chat-hijack-espn-james-walker/#comment-136749 Live4Draft Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:35:21 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/03/04/tjb-chat-hijack-espn-james-walker/#comment-136749 Brace could definitely be on the radar depending on where he grades out by the time the draft rolls around! Can't see him making it out of the second round. Brace could definitely be on the radar depending on where he grades out by the time the draft rolls around! Can’t see him making it out of the second round.

]]> By: IhorNYC http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/03/04/tjb-chat-hijack-espn-james-walker/#comment-136746 IhorNYC Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:30:45 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/03/04/tjb-chat-hijack-espn-james-walker/#comment-136746 Why is Gholston considered such a bust! I think it was Mangenius who was responsible for VG's lack of performance - here's a stud pass rusher who was thrown into an extra-ordinarily complicated defense and told to drop into zone or man coverage, take on blockers for other would-be tacklers, and recognize varied offenses from multiple formations! He should have been fed the defense in bits and pieces. First, hwe should have been put in on passing downs, pined back his ears, shown a picture of Tom Brady and told to attack. After he got comfortable being on the field and feeling the speed of the game then put him in on other downs to learn slowly. But he was never given the chance - too much thinking means slow play and mistakes! I think Rexy will treat him like he did Suggs and Scott - let him do what he does very well and teach him the rest as the season progresses. Why is Gholston considered such a bust! I think it was Mangenius who was responsible for VG’s lack of performance – here’s a stud pass rusher who was thrown into an extra-ordinarily complicated defense and told to drop into zone or man coverage, take on blockers for other would-be tacklers, and recognize varied offenses from multiple formations!

He should have been fed the defense in bits and pieces. First, hwe should have been put in on passing downs, pined back his ears, shown a picture of Tom Brady and told to attack. After he got comfortable being on the field and feeling the speed of the game then put him in on other downs to learn slowly.

But he was never given the chance – too much thinking means slow play and mistakes! I think Rexy will treat him like he did Suggs and Scott – let him do what he does very well and teach him the rest as the season progresses.

]]> By: Brad http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/03/04/tjb-chat-hijack-espn-james-walker/#comment-136744 Brad Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:28:17 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/03/04/tjb-chat-hijack-espn-james-walker/#comment-136744 That Jarron Gilbert 6'5" 290 lbs. 4.87 40 time- 22 TFL and 9.5 sacks last year - sounds pretty good, from san jose st.- reunite with Lowery! DT convert to a DE. Also Ron Brace 6'3" 335lbs. to back up Jenkins cause puoha did not do the job last year. That Jarron Gilbert 6’5″ 290 lbs. 4.87 40 time- 22 TFL and 9.5 sacks last year – sounds pretty good, from san jose st.- reunite with Lowery! DT convert to a DE.
Also Ron Brace 6’3″ 335lbs. to back up Jenkins cause puoha did not do the job last year.

]]> By: Brad http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/03/04/tjb-chat-hijack-espn-james-walker/#comment-136739 Brad Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:19:48 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/03/04/tjb-chat-hijack-espn-james-walker/#comment-136739 Thanks for the input Bent and others! Thanks for the input Bent and others!

]]> By: Live4Draft http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/03/04/tjb-chat-hijack-espn-james-walker/#comment-136738 Live4Draft Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:19:20 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/03/04/tjb-chat-hijack-espn-james-walker/#comment-136738 As a 3-4 end Jackson will rarely collapse the pocket...pure edge setter/run stuffer. At one time he was projected to go in the top ten. Projections changed to second round. He is currently anywhere from 12 to 32 due to the glut of 3-4 teams and the fact that he is currently the only 3-4 end seen as a 1st round value. As a 3-4 end Jackson will rarely collapse the pocket…pure edge setter/run stuffer.

At one time he was projected to go in the top ten. Projections changed to second round. He is currently anywhere from 12 to 32 due to the glut of 3-4 teams and the fact that he is currently the only 3-4 end seen as a 1st round value.

]]> By: Bent http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/03/04/tjb-chat-hijack-espn-james-walker/#comment-136735 Bent Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:09:40 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/03/04/tjb-chat-hijack-espn-james-walker/#comment-136735 Brad, Tyson Jackson is a guy who I've seen a lot of. He slowly added weight over the course of his career. Initiailly he was thought of as an athletics pass rusher but then in 2006 he only had one sack in the first 8 games and many were disappointed with his production. However, that was because, as he added the weight, he became more of a run stuffer. He will collapse the pocket and get into the backfield too and is especially adept at batting down passes at the line. The knocks on him are that his effort is not always seen as consistent by some and that he had a lot of other talent on that line with him. He could be a very good 3-4 DE. Is he worth the 17th pick? I'm not really sure. In terms of whether or not we need a DE, I guess it has to be at or near the top of the list as far as wants and needs are concerned. Brad,

Tyson Jackson is a guy who I’ve seen a lot of. He slowly added weight over the course of his career. Initiailly he was thought of as an athletics pass rusher but then in 2006 he only had one sack in the first 8 games and many were disappointed with his production.

However, that was because, as he added the weight, he became more of a run stuffer. He will collapse the pocket and get into the backfield too and is especially adept at batting down passes at the line.

The knocks on him are that his effort is not always seen as consistent by some and that he had a lot of other talent on that line with him.

He could be a very good 3-4 DE. Is he worth the 17th pick? I’m not really sure.

In terms of whether or not we need a DE, I guess it has to be at or near the top of the list as far as wants and needs are concerned.

]]> By: Live4Draft http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/03/04/tjb-chat-hijack-espn-james-walker/#comment-136712 Live4Draft Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:28:06 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/03/04/tjb-chat-hijack-espn-james-walker/#comment-136712 Tyson Jackson is all run support. Sets the edge and provides little to no push. He would not be a terrible pick...but is really a 25-30 pick value. He will be pushed higher due to KC, GB and Den all switchin to the 3-4 and SD needing to replace Olshansky. Jarron Gilbert is another 3-4 DE that is a fast riser. 6-5 1/4 288 4.87 San Jose St. He is tremendously athletic as shown in his sensational youtube clip. He is shown squatting in a pool (filled with water) and jumping out. He is an athletic freak! Also can rush the passer 9.5 sacks his senior year as a 4-3 DT. Could be a possibility at 17 by the time the draft rolls around. Tyson Jackson is all run support. Sets the edge and provides little to no push. He would not be a terrible pick…but is really a 25-30 pick value. He will be pushed higher due to KC, GB and Den all switchin to the 3-4 and SD needing to replace Olshansky. Jarron Gilbert is another 3-4 DE that is a fast riser. 6-5 1/4 288 4.87 San Jose St. He is tremendously athletic as shown in his sensational youtube clip. He is shown squatting in a pool (filled with water) and jumping out. He is an athletic freak! Also can rush the passer 9.5 sacks his senior year as a 4-3 DT. Could be a possibility at 17 by the time the draft rolls around.

]]> By: Harlan Lachman http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/03/04/tjb-chat-hijack-espn-james-walker/#comment-136707 Harlan Lachman Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:19:15 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/03/04/tjb-chat-hijack-espn-james-walker/#comment-136707 Actually, I think the Jets are a performing Vernon Gholston away from having a good defense. One could substitute a performing Bryan Thomas but I have given up hope for him. Perhaps we should also give up on VG. I look forward to seeing if Ryan and Pettine can turn this bust into the pass rusher that will transform our defense into a dominating one. I just don't think we can commit more money to the OLB position so I don't count on another OLB #1 pick. Either Bryan or Vernon need to perform. If they do, assuming a healthy Jenkins and the new guys performing as hoped, this could be quite the transformation. harlan Actually, I think the Jets are a performing Vernon Gholston away from having a good defense. One could substitute a performing Bryan Thomas but I have given up hope for him. Perhaps we should also give up on VG. I look forward to seeing if Ryan and Pettine can turn this bust into the pass rusher that will transform our defense into a dominating one.

I just don’t think we can commit more money to the OLB position so I don’t count on another OLB #1 pick. Either Bryan or Vernon need to perform. If they do, assuming a healthy Jenkins and the new guys performing as hoped, this could be quite the transformation.

harlan

]]> By: Marc http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/03/04/tjb-chat-hijack-espn-james-walker/#comment-136687 Marc Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:16:18 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/03/04/tjb-chat-hijack-espn-james-walker/#comment-136687 Jackson is the elite 3-4 defensive end in the draft, but looking at the number of teams who have a need for 3-4 lineman in front of the Jets, don't hold your breath (GB, SF, Den). Based on how weak the drafts defensive back class is considered to be, the Jets trade for Lito was unbelievably smart. There isn't really a player in the first round with his ability. Jenkins is the only one who comes even close, and he ran poorly at the combine. Jackson is the elite 3-4 defensive end in the draft, but looking at the number of teams who have a need for 3-4 lineman in front of the Jets, don’t hold your breath (GB, SF, Den).

Based on how weak the drafts defensive back class is considered to be, the Jets trade for Lito was unbelievably smart. There isn’t really a player in the first round with his ability. Jenkins is the only one who comes even close, and he ran poorly at the combine.

]]> By: AL http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/03/04/tjb-chat-hijack-espn-james-walker/#comment-136686 AL Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:15:18 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/03/04/tjb-chat-hijack-espn-james-walker/#comment-136686 If anyone remembers the defense we had under Donnie Hendersen his FIRST year. He was a ravens secondary coach and was very aggressive with varied blitzing. Mixing up the 4-3 and 3-4 alot. I think that is the type of defense we will see style wise. Hopefully Rex takes it up a notch and then we are really cooking. If anyone remembers the defense we had under Donnie Hendersen his FIRST year. He was a ravens secondary coach and was very aggressive with varied blitzing. Mixing up the 4-3 and 3-4 alot.

I think that is the type of defense we will see style wise. Hopefully Rex takes it up a notch and then we are really cooking.

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