Link: Similiarities Between Favre & Cutler More Than Anecdotal
Posted on March 20th, 2009 by Bassett
KC Joyner writes a great piece on Fifth Down about how Jay Cutler is basically the same guy as Brett Favre in many ways. Although Cutler did a better job of airing out the ball than Favre in 2008, he also — if you can believe this — made worse decisions than Favre did according to Joyner.
… Cutler had better deep pass catchers and yet barely topped Favre in downfield passing. He also had more interceptions/near interceptions and made risky throws much more often.
In other words, Jets fans, if you liked what you saw out of Favre last year, Cutler’s your guy. If not, you should let New York’s management know you aren’t on board with this!
So .. as always, fellow Jets fans … be careful what you wish for.
What we wish for? If Cutler has a career path like Brett why wouldn’t we want him? Up and down years, yes. But at least Brett has a ring and if Cutler can get us a ring in the next 15 years its better than anyone else has been able to do.
My complaint about Favre was I thought his boday was broken down and that he wa son his last legs. Cutler has ten years of recklessness left. This news doesn’t discourage me at all. I think Clowney and him could find a nice rapport.
That is a very alarming statistical breakdown. I still believe our QB for 2009 in on the current roster. If he is not then we will find out and will have to address it in next year’s free agency or draft. The defense should be close to set(excpet for the hopefull additon of a DEnd in the 1st or 2nd round along with a WR and a blocking TE and RB in the later rounds).
The comparisons between Cutler and Favre are evident in these mistakes and arm strength. Please do not try and claim that Cutler is worth it, because he will have success like Favre. There is NO proof behind making that claim. The guy has not won a damn thing. He plays recklessly, which is not a positive, and he has an incredible arm, like many other bad quarterbacks who have entered the league. He shouldn’t even be compared to Favre or any other quarterback until he proves he’s a winner.
OK that was a joke LOL. Totally uncomparable, WOW be careful what you wish for? lol. Like Brett Favre had a bad career, cutler is only 26 and has a lot of yrs left. With a D like the Jets have now, and Cutler potentially at the helm, Watch out…
RABBLE!! rabble rabble rabble!
screw cutler. I’d rather have more cowbell.
Absolutey absurd comparision…..
Culter threw the ball more …..especially downfield (also Coles, Stuckey and Cotch caught some passes that Favre should have never throw) and who counts almost INTS….Seriously??
You can massage the numbers all you want. Favre is not even in Culter class right now.
If Culter was in this draft he would already be signed by Detroit as the #1 pick.
Here are some numbers for you….Favre threw 21 more INTS and countless “almost INTS” than I did….That must mean he is not as good as I am….
Ridiculous!!
Im good with Clemens and Ratliff… Id actually prefer to see Clemens start. I think he can be better than Cutler anyway. In the starts he did have the O-Line sucked the and Justin McCarines droped countless balls and so did Coles.. and one of his 4 losses as a starter he played 1 play in NE got blasted by Richard Seymore and was out the whole game and everyone seems to forget that.. I think Clemens is under rated and if he gets his shot he’ll show up to play…
Josh Freeman!
Favre threw a pick per every 23 passed he attempted. Cutler threw a pick for every 33 passes he attempted. Rothlisberger was 1:31 and Brees was 1:37.
On his career Cutler is 1:34. Peyton Mannings career INT/Attmpt ratio is 1:36. Penningtons is 1:38.
Ratliff 09……………….hey you never know
Ugh… Everyone hates Cutler. he’s a jerk. Please can we stick with team guys and go out and get a stud WR. Cutler will be the Jeff George of our generation.
I agree with AKA and would add that, God knows I don’t like anything about him, It is not right to add his last five games. Cutler is not going to tank the season in the last five games, period.
Id think the big difference is that Favre was a 40 year old man who is what he is while Cutler is someone that should improve as he enters his prime. I think Cutler has been poorly coached these last 3 years and it should be somewhat worrisome that he has never been a winning player, but you just will not find players that put up numbers like he has as a youngster in the NFL. He is in a class with Marino and Roethlisberger when it comes to performance over his first two years in the NFL. That is impressive company. If he gets his head on straight he is on the track to the HOF. If he doesn’t he will still be the Jets best QB since the 98 Vinny season.
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I would really like to see what KC or Ratliff can do before the Jets look elsewhere. If both KC and Ratliff fail, the Jets can address the QB position in 2010.
As of today, both KC and Ratliff have the skills to be successful if given an opportunity.
Jason, I think Cutler’s success in his first three years can be directly attributed to Shanahan’s coaching. Look what he did for an aging Elway, two Super Bowls. Who know’s if JC can be as succesful with our offensive scheme. He might get better but his attitude and maturity are big problems. I don’t want the guy because I don’t want to break the bank for him because he is not a sure thing. If we get him we will be severely restricted because of the cap. He’ll probably end up like the next T.O. and complain he doesn’t throw the ball enough in our run first offense.
KC Joyner put a statistical gloss on what I’ve seen every time that I’ve watched Cutler. He’s just not an elite QB and there’s no reason to pay a price for him that places him in an elite category.
Jason, Cutler not well-coached?!? Cutler liked Jeremy Bates (his OC and QB coach) so much that his firing was one of the precipitating factors behind his desire to leave Denver. Moreover, Shanny hand-picked Cutler by trading up to get him and basically did everything for him, like in 2006 benching Plummer, who had made the Pro Bowl in 2005 and was 7-4 in 2006, to let Cutler start the last 5 games of the season (sort of like how Eli came in for the Giants in 2004). Every starting QB in a Mike Shanahan Broncos system made the Pro Bowl…Elway, Griese, Plummer and Cutler. In fact, part of the reason that I don’t want Cutler is that I think he’s too much of a system QB. He got as good coaching as a QB could possibly get in the NFL. By the way, Cutler just finished his 3rd season in the NFL and started each year…so, I wonder why everyone always says he’s had 2 years starting in the NFL?
be careful what we wish for?? then what QB are we suppose to go with??
Sack- I’m assuming two full years starting, which is true. Cutler was also the first rookie QB to throw 2 or more tds in his first 3 starts. It took Eli a couple to be an effective QB too(Not that I’m a fan of his work. That ring is nice tho), so Cutler has some maturing to do on and off the field.
I’m tired of speculating on hearsay about this. If we get him I support him. If we don’t I hope we rip him to pieces when we play him.
JAGG, don’t you think those 5 games were crucial for his development? Getting to hold a clipboard for 11 weeks, participating in practice for 11 weeks and, then, starting 5 games is probably better than starting all 16 games as a rookie, especially for a smart guy like Cutler. I’m not a huge Eli fan, but he didn’t join a team that was 13-3 in 2003 (the Giants were 4-12), and start with a coach known as an offensive mastermind. Plus, Eli improved every season (while his Super Bowl regular season was a step back, his post-season was a huge and surprising great leap forward) and had his best all-around season last year. Plus, like his brother, his team went from a losing record to a winning one in his second year. A significant rap against Cutler is that unlike most top QBs, his second season did not result in a winning record. Maybe that’s unfair, but it is true. And, his numbers are a mix of improvement and decline (his QB rating has gone down each season…not a great sign).
Jason: Well put.
Look Cutler is still young enough that he can be molded to an elite QB with the right supporting cast of coaches and players. If the front office signs Cutler that gives the Jets a few more years to let Ratliff develop into the home grown franchise QB we all want. At the same time the Jets rid themselves of Clemens. Kellen hasn’t nor will he ever prove that he can be a capable starter in this league to the franchise or the fans.
Yes this is a harsh reality but this guy has had four years to make us believe that he is the second coming of Joe Namath. All he has shown us is that he could keep the playbook warm. I do not want to hear about the line in 07, because that’s just an excuse!
Clemens had multiple times to out shine everyone’s favorite man crush “Noodle Arm” Chad, but couldn’t get the job done! What happened next the franchise went after future HOF’er Brett Favre. As soon as it looked like Favre got hurt the franchise decided against letting Clemens play and chose to stick with an injured Favre. Not sure about you but that speaks volumes to me on how the Jets felt about the capabilities of Clemens!!
When the season ended and Favre retired KC was interviewed about a QB battle. If you recall he did not show us that he wasn’t confident enough. He should have been saying stuff like …. This is “My Team”, “My Guys”, “I will lead us to Victory”, “I will lead this team to the Championship”. Instead what we got was “Ratliff is a good player with a good arm”, “The team will be ok come September”, “Not many people can say they studied under Chad and Brett”, “I think I can do well”. COME ON!!!!
Anyone who thinks this guy has a shot at starting before Ratilff is in need to get glasses!
He’s a BUM, and thats why the Jets don’t trust him!
What a waste of a draft pick!!!
Go sign Cutler!
What? Cutler didn’t throw as much INTs as Favre.
i think what colors it, is that Cutler had a very good game here at the Meadowlands and that’s what everyone saw… not the other half-dozen brutal clunkers he had where he basically tossed the ball right into coverage.
but to be fair, the broncos had almost no running game and no defense to support him last year.
he has the ability, no doubt there. but will he mature? in the world of whathaveyoudoneformelately in this comments section, if cutler’s contract is such that he couldn’t be let go — he could hamstring this franchise for years. it’s a big risk — if he’s brought in he better be the guy.
Sack- The games were great for him. Any time against real defenses is great for a young QB. I follow the AFC west, because my closest footbal fan is a Raider’s fan and by god bad numbers don’t show how bad Denver’s defense looked at times. I won’t call Cutler elite or a franchise QB, but he could be. I don’t feel that way about KC, Ratliff, or Ainge (Hope I’m wrong). I think Denver’s problems stemmed from thier defense and injuries. Denver was a run first team for awhile and they had around 7 starting RBs last year.
Jet-Fan-4-life- I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, no one would bench Favre in what could be the last year of his career. He wouldn’t have missed a start if he was attacked by a bear.
Green bay did or would have and they knew a little more about the guy then we did.
Denver’s running game has been good for years.
Last year they were 12th in the NFL.
2007 – 9th
2006 – 8th
2005 -2nd
Stop posting that misnomer that they were bad it is ridiculous. Worse than normal yes. Top third of the league is damned solid though.
Yes they had a lot of rookie RBs and plugged in players but they have a line and schemes that let their RBs run the ball.
I bleed green- You talking to me? They avoided the issue, because they knew they had a starter in Rodgers. No chance that if Favre was their starter they would have broken the league’s start streak and Favre’s most hallowed record. Those things made him a legend there. You don’t disgrace a legend. Then they just become men. They intend to make $$$ off of Favre for the next 50 years.
JAGG,
I just don’t know what Ratty can do. He has all the tools and looked great in pre-season. I want to see what he can do in a real game.
RK- No consistency. They had decent performances, but nothing you could rely on, which effects game planning.
Sack- I can understand that. I want an F’n QB. Loved Chad, but knew he had to go. Hated Favre, but got stuck with him. I want a guy who I can trust to not be a schmuck.
JAGG- I’m sure you know just as well as I do, that Shanahan’s zone blocking scheme for the running game has turned no-names into 1,000 yard rushers time and again. It’s not who is back there, it’s the system they’re in.
So you agree, they were not bad. Inconsistent is not bad.
RK,
I agree and the fact that Denver’s defense was bad probably inflated Cutler’s numbers. Look at Brees’ numbers on the Saints. If Cutler were better at getting his offense early points, maybe he’d have more wins. For all of Cutler’s passing numbers, the Broncos did not score many points.
Brendan- I do and it impresses me to no end. I’m reasonably sure I could have a 500yd year in that scheme, but it is tough to trust your run game when every guy you put back there gets hurt. They weren’t pulled hamstrings either, they were bad injuries. The run game still did very well, but I”m sure their uncertainty at the position got in the players/coaches heads and adjusted game plans.
Oh and if the QB can’t be a schmuck why pull for Cutler when players seem to have little to nothing good to say about him.
As I’ve pointed out, Clemens hasn’t gotten the same chances as Eli, who didn’t have 2 or more TDs in his first three starts.
JAGG- Honestly I’ve never been his biggest fan. Even when he was getting it done for us. I loved his passion and love of the game, but that was back in the day.. Sure they would have played him if he were there, but they let him go. To the detriment of their season.
Rodgers had a great year. Favre wouldn’t have helped them much unless he could play defense
Ok, so you’re saying the inconsistency made them rely more on cutler (i think)? That’s something i can agree with.
RK- Cutler at least will be a schmuck with more TDs than INTs. Clemen’s wasn’t and Ratliff never facing a blitz isn’t comforting to me.
Yes, that is what I’m saying. QB has to pick up the slack and he did have a large number of attempts.
Seriously guys, how can you take Clemens 2007 campaign seriously? His first 8 games stack up pretty much how Eli’s first 8 games did (I actually think Clemens’ stats were better). He had at MOST 3 seconds per pass play, so how can anything he did be taken to heart? He showed flashes, and that can be considered his rookie season, so I don’t understand why people are saying he’s useless. Wow, he lost out in training camp to an 8 year veteran who, aside from arm strength, had every other advantage a QB could have.
13 and 3 with him to 6 and 10 without. He was much more than just the quarterback of that team. But they had to do it. It was Rodgers turn. He waited long enough. Rodgers did his part, but Brett provided a different energy for that team. They would have done much better with him.
I don’t feel Clemens has the players respect, which will hurt his ability to be the starter.
Not sure how we got on this tangent though.
RK,
Clemens shouldn’t get as many chances as Eli. Eli was the #1 pick, the Giants invested a ton of money and picks into him. Thus, the Giants were committed to him in a way that the Jets aren’t committed to KC. Plus, comparing Eli’s first starts to KC’s isn’t all that fair. Eli was still a rookie, KC had the benefit of a season holding a clipboard and a second NFL training camp before he took a snap. His comparables should be guys like him, 2nd year pros who start, not rookies. In short, the bar should be raised higher for KC, not lowered. In 2007, KC posted the 7th worst QB rating for a starter since 2000. Thus, even without the bar raised, he failed miserably. But, because the bar was raised, I don’t think he should be cut the same slack that you would for a rookie QB. For those reasons and the facts that he is undersized, skittish in the pocket and doesn’t read defenses well, I think that he does not deserve another shot at starting unless he blows away the competition. If he’s even with Ratliff, let’s go for the taller guy who hasn’t stunk it up out there.
Well, I doubt that Cutler would come in and gain a lot of respect with the players seeing how a fair amount probably already hate him. Clemens at least has been with these guys for years, so he has more of a shot I think.
Come on Cutler in his third year has passed for more yards than John Elway in a single season. Lets go and get us a QB for the next 8-10 years and atleast 6 out of 10 years in the playoffs. I doubt any of our QB’s are playoff QB’s, but I know they are not superbowl players. Cutler is definately going to take us to the playoffs and possibly a superbowl. I predict it if we get hime!
On the coaching aspect of Cutler I dont want one to think that I feel Shanny is a bad coach. The second he became available I thought he should have been our top choice. Where Shannahan did a bad job was that he took a cocky kid and allowed him to get cockier and babied him every step of the way. You dont take a guy like Cutler and in his second year in the NFL start telling him his arm is better than Elways. Part of a coaches job is to mold the QB into being a leader and Denvers staff gets an F in that regard.
RocBoy- I would be worried about Cutler in our scheme. For whatever reason our coaches scheme turns our QBs in interception machines. Cutler would have the potential to be in a 30-30 club here.
Sack- I think you are 100% correct on how you have to evaluate KC. Statistically he is a complete disaster when compared to others in his same category of experience. Whether you go by QB rating or any of the FO stats he would basically be bucking nearly 30 years of stats to be a franchise QB. Cutler, on the other hand, is in a class few others have been in.
The fact that someone would want Ratliff right now instead of Cutler knows absolutely nothing about football and should no longer be considered a Jet fan. Ratliff had a couple of good preseason quarters! Denver has had one of the worst D’s in football since he has been there. Their offense has not been the problem. No one has any idea how good our D will be next year that we can get away with a inexperienced QB. Everyone blames Favre but our D absolutely collapsed last year.