Comments on: The Meaning of Miles Austin http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/13/the-meaning-of-miles-austin/ Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:00:42 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Bent http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/13/the-meaning-of-miles-austin/comment-page-1/#comment-148427 Bent Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:33:24 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/13/the-meaning-of-miles-austin/#comment-148427 JetOrange - Where I have said that we can afford these guys, I am not talking about in future years. The reason these deals are practically impossible is that their cap number this year exceeds the amount of available cap space. Of course, you cannot go over the cap in the NFL, so they would have to shed cap space some other way to get any of these guys. Looking at the cap position for next year, even if there is a cap (and I think it would be to the Jets advantage if there was one - of course, there being no cap could also be advantageous depending on how much the owner would be willing to spend) the Jets should have some pretty good flexibility, so they probably would be able to find a way to sign a guy like that. They just can't make a trade now for one of them. James in TN - Good question and one which cannot be answered simply. I've discussed exactly this with Jason from Jets Cap. We don't know exactly how the deal is structured, but he believes there would be safeguards in place in case he really can't play, moreso that for other recent first round picks. His 50m contract included a bunch of incentives that he probably won't get, so he may never earn much more than the 20m he has guaranteed if he really doesn't give them anything. He missed his incentives for 2008 and his 2009 incentives apparently include a $3.6m payment if he plays more than 45% of the snaps. With the way the cap rules work with the prospect of an uncapped 2010, this will count against the 2009 cap if achieved during the season, so my understanding is that the Jets have to leave that much cap room available (since there are big penalties for going over the cap during the season). As unfathomable as it is to many of you that Gholston could contribute in 2009, the Jets cannot realistically afford to limit Gholston's "pitch count" to below 45% because (a) it will, justifiably, annoy him and his agents (b) he might play well and (c) there may be injuries. What if Gholston is a key member of the defense but then has to sit while Trusnik and Murrell play in the divisional decider because Pace and Thomas are hurt and VG is too close to the 45% threshold but it's too late to clear any more cap room? So, I can't put a dollar figure on it, but the good news is that he gets a lot more money if he plays well so he had a lot of reasons to stay motivated. Some salary from later on in the contract was advanced to Gholston for 2009, so we tried to read the tea leaves as to why this might be, but the conclusion we drew is that he was probably promised as much if his 2008 incentives were not met (because it has no effect on the Jets cap situation). JetOrange – Where I have said that we can afford these guys, I am not talking about in future years. The reason these deals are practically impossible is that their cap number this year exceeds the amount of available cap space. Of course, you cannot go over the cap in the NFL, so they would have to shed cap space some other way to get any of these guys. Looking at the cap position for next year, even if there is a cap (and I think it would be to the Jets advantage if there was one – of course, there being no cap could also be advantageous depending on how much the owner would be willing to spend) the Jets should have some pretty good flexibility, so they probably would be able to find a way to sign a guy like that. They just can’t make a trade now for one of them.

James in TN – Good question and one which cannot be answered simply. I’ve discussed exactly this with Jason from Jets Cap. We don’t know exactly how the deal is structured, but he believes there would be safeguards in place in case he really can’t play, moreso that for other recent first round picks. His 50m contract included a bunch of incentives that he probably won’t get, so he may never earn much more than the 20m he has guaranteed if he really doesn’t give them anything.

He missed his incentives for 2008 and his 2009 incentives apparently include a $3.6m payment if he plays more than 45% of the snaps. With the way the cap rules work with the prospect of an uncapped 2010, this will count against the 2009 cap if achieved during the season, so my understanding is that the Jets have to leave that much cap room available (since there are big penalties for going over the cap during the season). As unfathomable as it is to many of you that Gholston could contribute in 2009, the Jets cannot realistically afford to limit Gholston’s “pitch count” to below 45% because (a) it will, justifiably, annoy him and his agents (b) he might play well and (c) there may be injuries. What if Gholston is a key member of the defense but then has to sit while Trusnik and Murrell play in the divisional decider because Pace and Thomas are hurt and VG is too close to the 45% threshold but it’s too late to clear any more cap room?

So, I can’t put a dollar figure on it, but the good news is that he gets a lot more money if he plays well so he had a lot of reasons to stay motivated. Some salary from later on in the contract was advanced to Gholston for 2009, so we tried to read the tea leaves as to why this might be, but the conclusion we drew is that he was probably promised as much if his 2008 incentives were not met (because it has no effect on the Jets cap situation).

]]> By: Hangar http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/13/the-meaning-of-miles-austin/comment-page-1/#comment-148378 Hangar Tue, 14 Apr 2009 01:22:41 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/13/the-meaning-of-miles-austin/#comment-148378 if there is anyway they can get Crabtree, they should....If needed QB can come next year... This guy is real and will open things up. Would love to see him in green. if there is anyway they can get Crabtree, they should….If needed QB can come next year… This guy is real and will open things up. Would love to see him in green.

]]> By: mole57 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/13/the-meaning-of-miles-austin/comment-page-1/#comment-148377 mole57 Tue, 14 Apr 2009 01:22:25 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/13/the-meaning-of-miles-austin/#comment-148377 According to Cimini, the Jets will not be offering a contract to Austin. http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jets/2009/04/forget-about-miles-austin.html According to Cimini, the Jets will not be offering a contract to Austin.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jets/2009/04/forget-about-miles-austin.html

]]> By: Harvlis http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/13/the-meaning-of-miles-austin/comment-page-1/#comment-148373 Harvlis Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:55:43 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/13/the-meaning-of-miles-austin/#comment-148373 Miles Austin caught 13 balls, in his third season in the league. If he had ability, the Cowboys would have found a way to use him. They had three pre-seasons to know if they should use him, last year, and they threw him 13 balls. I like Tanny but, if he gives up our number two for Austin, he needs a new profession. I don't want Braylon Edwards. I want a reciever with glue for hands, not a guy who can drop the key pass in a big game. What we need is a "big" receiver. I think we can find a nice receiver with our first or second picks. It will take good judgement of talent. I like Cotchery to replace Coles. I like Stuckey as our slot receiver. I can't wait to see if Clowney can be our deep threat. I love Keller as our TE. What we need is a big receiver to play opposite Cotchery. We have Marcus Henry and Huey Whittaker, two big boys, and we could pick up someone like Ramses Barden or Patrick Turner in the draft. We will be just fine. Last thing, I think Brad Smith was a victim of poor coaching. He was a college QB who was converted to a WR. The Jets used him for trick plays, instead of grooming him to be a WR. He is tough, runs like a deer and, once in the open field, he is tough to bring down. Unfortunately, we still have Schottenheimer as our O-Coordinator so things won't change and Smith will probably be cut. I know most of you disagree but, if he was brought along properly, he could have been a nice player. Miles Austin caught 13 balls, in his third season in the league. If he had ability, the Cowboys would have found a way to use him. They had three pre-seasons to know if they should use him, last year, and they threw him 13 balls. I like Tanny but, if he gives up our number two for Austin, he needs a new profession.

I don’t want Braylon Edwards. I want a reciever with glue for hands, not a guy who can drop the key pass in a big game.

What we need is a “big” receiver. I think we can find a nice receiver with our first or second picks. It will take good judgement of talent. I like Cotchery to replace Coles. I like Stuckey as our slot receiver. I can’t wait to see if Clowney can be our deep threat. I love Keller as our TE. What we need is a big receiver to play opposite Cotchery. We have Marcus Henry and Huey Whittaker, two big boys, and we could pick up someone like Ramses Barden or Patrick Turner in the draft. We will be just fine.

Last thing, I think Brad Smith was a victim of poor coaching. He was a college QB who was converted to a WR. The Jets used him for trick plays, instead of grooming him to be a WR. He is tough, runs like a deer and, once in the open field, he is tough to bring down. Unfortunately, we still have Schottenheimer as our O-Coordinator so things won’t change and Smith will probably be cut. I know most of you disagree but, if he was brought along properly, he could have been a nice player.

]]> By: JetOrange http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/13/the-meaning-of-miles-austin/comment-page-1/#comment-148361 JetOrange Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:57:44 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/13/the-meaning-of-miles-austin/#comment-148361 What do folks expect out of Miles Austin ? I'm looking for competition for Clowney , for Miles to start catch 40 balls for 800 yards, give us a marginal deep threat and be a productive part of the offense at 3.5 million a year.. What do folks expect out of Miles Austin ? I’m looking for competition for Clowney , for Miles to start catch 40 balls for 800 yards, give us a marginal deep threat and be a productive part of the offense at 3.5 million a year..

]]> By: DKnyj http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/13/the-meaning-of-miles-austin/comment-page-1/#comment-148350 DKnyj Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:35:22 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/13/the-meaning-of-miles-austin/#comment-148350 John there is zero percent chance the lions take Crabtree - that would be like dropping another bomb on nagasaki right after the first. My Ideal situation - some how we move back in the first round and use what we got from moving back to move up in the second. This will mean we can get a DHB, Britt or Nicks late first round and a better RB late in round 2... The only team I can see this working with I guess is the Giants... We swap #1's ... they get 17, we get 29... and #2's we get 45, they get 52 and then we get their 3rd Rd pick or something (91...) John there is zero percent chance the lions take Crabtree – that would be like dropping another bomb on nagasaki right after the first.

My Ideal situation – some how we move back in the first round and use what we got from moving back to move up in the second. This will mean we can get a DHB, Britt or Nicks late first round and a better RB late in round 2…

The only team I can see this working with I guess is the Giants…

We swap #1’s … they get 17, we get 29… and #2’s we get 45, they get 52 and then we get their 3rd Rd pick or something (91…)

]]> By: JetOrange http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/13/the-meaning-of-miles-austin/comment-page-1/#comment-148349 JetOrange Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:21:06 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/13/the-meaning-of-miles-austin/#comment-148349 I think the problem with Edwards is that he is in the final year of his deal and He is looking for Fitzgerald Money. I think Bent is correct , we just can't afford him, IMO the Jets could squeeze Edwards in for 8 million a year, but Fitz is like 14 million a year. Simply Braylon Edwards is not worth that kind of money. In Contrast Miles Austin 3.5 to 4 million range. If we could do a contract for Edwards that would average 8million over 5 years, than I would send our First (17) and Smith for Edwards and a Fourth round pick, to me thats fair. I think the problem with Edwards is that he is in the final year of his deal and He is looking for Fitzgerald Money. I think Bent is correct , we just can’t afford him, IMO the Jets could squeeze Edwards in for 8 million a year, but Fitz is like 14 million a year. Simply Braylon Edwards is not worth that kind of money. In Contrast Miles Austin 3.5 to 4 million range. If we could do a contract for Edwards that would average 8million over 5 years, than I would send our First (17) and Smith for Edwards and a Fourth round pick, to me thats fair.

]]> By: john r http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/13/the-meaning-of-miles-austin/comment-page-1/#comment-148347 john r Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:05:14 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/13/the-meaning-of-miles-austin/#comment-148347 i do think crabtree is this the real deal in this draft, and hopefully the lions draft him all jokes aside, while the jets have done great in the draft the last couple of years, i would like them to get one more young nfl player so that they have a great long term core of players. someone made on why are the jets the most active in free agents, but you never see pitt or the ravens while are 2nd round picks have done well, getting the speed of miles is just to good to pass on. it also lets us either draft jackson, which fills another need or lets us take the best player out there, which could be a rb or a QB i do think crabtree is this the real deal in this draft, and hopefully the lions draft him
all jokes aside, while the jets have done great in the draft the last couple of years, i would like them to get one more young nfl player so that they have a great long term core of players. someone made on why are the jets the most active in free agents, but you never see pitt or the ravens
while are 2nd round picks have done well, getting the speed of miles is just to good to pass on.
it also lets us either draft jackson, which fills another need or lets us take the best player out there, which could be a rb or a QB

]]> By: Brett Justin http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/13/the-meaning-of-miles-austin/comment-page-1/#comment-148344 Brett Justin Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:44:10 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/13/the-meaning-of-miles-austin/#comment-148344 haha nah i know DREW but i remember the browns were about to take steve smith the giants 2nd and giants 5th but giants pulled out cause they see a lot of upside in Smith so i really feel if we wanted to get this guy we could pull it off without giving up out 1st round pick.. haha nah i know DREW but i remember the browns were about to take steve smith the giants 2nd and giants 5th but giants pulled out cause they see a lot of upside in Smith so i really feel if we wanted to get this guy we could pull it off without giving up out 1st round pick..

]]> By: James in TN http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/13/the-meaning-of-miles-austin/comment-page-1/#comment-148343 James in TN Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:40:42 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/13/the-meaning-of-miles-austin/#comment-148343 I have a cap question: If Rex can't turn VG into a football player how much of his contract do we have to pay, and what is the cap hit? To me it is a better deal to pay proven veterans instead of rewarding rookies that play in weak conferences like the big 10. I have a cap question: If Rex can’t turn VG into a football player how much of his contract do we have to pay, and what is the cap hit?

To me it is a better deal to pay proven veterans instead of rewarding rookies that play in weak conferences like the big 10.

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