Comments on: Buzz: Is There “Chatter” For Campbell? http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/22/buzz-is-there-chatter-for-campbell/ Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green Sun, 12 Feb 2012 08:20:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: seanmac31 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/22/buzz-is-there-chatter-for-campbell/#comment-151343 seanmac31 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:30:15 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/22/buzz-is-there-chatter-for-campbell/#comment-151343 The "Clemens just wins" argument is ludicrous. Yes, he won two more games than Chad. But when Chad was playing, the defense was performing at a historically bad level. They pulled it together and started playing much better at right around the time that Clemens was put in as the starter. The Jets passing offense performed well when Chad was in, but the rest of the team was in shambles. The rest of the team rounded into form at the midway point of the season, but the passing game went south with Clemens. Again, I'm reasonably willing to let Clemens get one more shot at the starting job, but I just can't abide the "He went 3-5, therefore..." line of reasoning. He wasn't close to being as good as Chad in 2007, and he likely won't be as good as Chad next year. But we'll see. The “Clemens just wins” argument is ludicrous. Yes, he won two more games than Chad. But when Chad was playing, the defense was performing at a historically bad level. They pulled it together and started playing much better at right around the time that Clemens was put in as the starter. The Jets passing offense performed well when Chad was in, but the rest of the team was in shambles. The rest of the team rounded into form at the midway point of the season, but the passing game went south with Clemens.

Again, I’m reasonably willing to let Clemens get one more shot at the starting job, but I just can’t abide the “He went 3-5, therefore…” line of reasoning. He wasn’t close to being as good as Chad in 2007, and he likely won’t be as good as Chad next year. But we’ll see.

]]> By: TannyVision http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/22/buzz-is-there-chatter-for-campbell/#comment-151332 TannyVision Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:47:39 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/22/buzz-is-there-chatter-for-campbell/#comment-151332 Bent, If you are willing to go back in time, JIM PLUNKETT is the man you are looking for. Stunk his second year, and much of his first decade, before ascending to franchise quarterback and Super Bowl MVP. Had a great post season record too. Clemens was just not ready in 2007, and his Oline didn't help him out. He was litterally learning on the run. Rodgers might very well have had the same fate if forced into action in year 2. Keep the faith for one more year and hope he doesn't take as long as Plunkett to prove his worth. Bent,

If you are willing to go back in time, JIM PLUNKETT is the man you are looking for. Stunk his second year, and much of his first decade, before ascending to franchise quarterback and Super Bowl MVP.

Had a great post season record too.

Clemens was just not ready in 2007, and his Oline didn’t help him out. He was litterally learning on the run. Rodgers might very well have had the same fate if forced into action in year 2.

Keep the faith for one more year and hope he doesn’t take as long as Plunkett to prove his worth.

]]> By: The NYC Parking Expert http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/22/buzz-is-there-chatter-for-campbell/#comment-151295 The NYC Parking Expert Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:14:42 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/22/buzz-is-there-chatter-for-campbell/#comment-151295 your argument, not you're argument your argument, not you’re argument

]]> By: The NYC Parking Expert http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/22/buzz-is-there-chatter-for-campbell/#comment-151294 The NYC Parking Expert Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:13:21 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/22/buzz-is-there-chatter-for-campbell/#comment-151294 Sack - and for the second time - i never said you were pompous. As much of a shock as it may be to you, you are not the only poster at TJB who proclaims to know who will (admit it, you usually write "never will" , not " I don't believe" ) and won't succeed at any given position. As for Chad beating the chiefs and fins, nice to think so, but I did see the team lose to some teams they should have beat with Chad at QB. It's curious to me how you pick the stats you want to make you're argument. KC's winning record wasn't that bad. That is a stat. But wins? Who cares about those? Do they actually tell us anything? But a stat like "most 2nd year QBs usually have better first 8 game stats", now THERE'S a stat to hang your hat on. I wonder if they also came into the season halfway thru, under controversy, with one of the starting WRs injured (Coles), with a swiss cheese Oline and a mostly sorry defense. If anyone could fine that scenario happening to another NFL QB, it would be you (compliment). It's funny, because I am emphatically not pro-KC, I am simple anti bashing a guy unmercifully who hasn't had a real chance. Let him get beat by Ratty in training camp if he sucks that much. Sack – and for the second time – i never said you were pompous. As much of a shock as it may be to you, you are not the only poster at TJB who proclaims to know who will (admit it, you usually write “never will” , not ” I don’t believe” ) and won’t succeed at any given position.
As for Chad beating the chiefs and fins, nice to think so, but I did see the team lose to some teams they should have beat with Chad at QB. It’s curious to me how you pick the stats you want to make you’re argument. KC’s winning record wasn’t that bad. That is a stat. But wins? Who cares about those? Do they actually tell us anything? But a stat like “most 2nd year QBs usually have better first 8 game stats”, now THERE’S a stat to hang your hat on. I wonder if they also came into the season halfway thru, under controversy, with one of the starting WRs injured (Coles), with a swiss cheese Oline and a mostly sorry defense. If anyone could fine that scenario happening to another NFL QB, it would be you (compliment).
It’s funny, because I am emphatically not pro-KC, I am simple anti bashing a guy unmercifully who hasn’t had a real chance. Let him get beat by Ratty in training camp if he sucks that much.

]]> By: JustAGreenGuy http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/22/buzz-is-there-chatter-for-campbell/#comment-151283 JustAGreenGuy Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:52:10 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/22/buzz-is-there-chatter-for-campbell/#comment-151283 Chad in that Titans game was 11 for 13 at one point with 2ints. I think those are bad stats. Wanted to throw that in. Chad in that Titans game was 11 for 13 at one point with 2ints. I think those are bad stats. Wanted to throw that in.

]]> By: SackDance99 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/22/buzz-is-there-chatter-for-campbell/#comment-151281 SackDance99 Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:50:14 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/22/buzz-is-there-chatter-for-campbell/#comment-151281 NYCParking, Chad beat Miami, I think he would've done it again and I'm pretty sure he would've beaten the Chiefs. I guess it's arguable as to whether he would've beaten the Steelers because the flea flicker was KC's big play (even if he underthrew it). So, it's not ludicrous and, fwiw, Chad played reasonably well in the losses to the Pats and Titans. So, I think it's "ludicrous" to believe that Chad couldn't have beaten the woeful Chiefs or Fins. As for "pompous," I'll note that I always say that I don't believe KC will ever pan out...I just don't think it's "pompous" for me or anyone else to express that opinion. In fact, the statistics and KC's short stature might bear out that conclusion. NYCParking,

Chad beat Miami, I think he would’ve done it again and I’m pretty sure he would’ve beaten the Chiefs. I guess it’s arguable as to whether he would’ve beaten the Steelers because the flea flicker was KC’s big play (even if he underthrew it). So, it’s not ludicrous and, fwiw, Chad played reasonably well in the losses to the Pats and Titans. So, I think it’s “ludicrous” to believe that Chad couldn’t have beaten the woeful Chiefs or Fins.

As for “pompous,” I’ll note that I always say that I don’t believe KC will ever pan out…I just don’t think it’s “pompous” for me or anyone else to express that opinion. In fact, the statistics and KC’s short stature might bear out that conclusion.

]]> By: The NYC Parking Expert http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/22/buzz-is-there-chatter-for-campbell/#comment-151277 The NYC Parking Expert Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:43:51 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/22/buzz-is-there-chatter-for-campbell/#comment-151277 Sack - I never said you were pompous. I guess you saw yourself in my comments, though. I agree with JAGG that Campbell over KC (or Ratty) is no sure thing. KC had a bad 2nd half of the year (his 8 games) and won 3 games. For you to discount who the QB was during those wins is ludicrous. Chad won one game - I guess his just showing up and playing sub-par QB wasn't enough, but with KC it was? Revisionist history. The record is what the record is. Look do I think KC will be elite? No clue. Do I care if he wins the starting job over Ratty? Couldn't care less. I just thinking passing supreme judgment on a guy we've barely seen is throwing out the baby with the bathwater. If he's as much of a bust as you say, that will come out in training camp. But signing a never-will-be likely Campbell to replace a QB we've hardly seen makes no sense to me. If KC and the QB position is such a problem that we need to bring in an upgrade, then it better not be a lateral or even arguably slight upgrade kind of move. Sack – I never said you were pompous. I guess you saw yourself in my comments, though. I agree with JAGG that Campbell over KC (or Ratty) is no sure thing. KC had a bad 2nd half of the year (his 8 games) and won 3 games. For you to discount who the QB was during those wins is ludicrous. Chad won one game – I guess his just showing up and playing sub-par QB wasn’t enough, but with KC it was? Revisionist history. The record is what the record is.
Look do I think KC will be elite? No clue. Do I care if he wins the starting job over Ratty? Couldn’t care less. I just thinking passing supreme judgment on a guy we’ve barely seen is throwing out the baby with the bathwater. If he’s as much of a bust as you say, that will come out in training camp. But signing a never-will-be likely Campbell to replace a QB we’ve hardly seen makes no sense to me. If KC and the QB position is such a problem that we need to bring in an upgrade, then it better not be a lateral or even arguably slight upgrade kind of move.

]]> By: JustAGreenGuy http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/22/buzz-is-there-chatter-for-campbell/#comment-151260 JustAGreenGuy Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:11:10 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/22/buzz-is-there-chatter-for-campbell/#comment-151260 Sack- His first 8 games he didn't throw a pick, but if you watched him against the Gmen in the opener you'd know he is not even competent. That makes 7 games and he showed he couldn't make plays when they needed him to. At least KC showed a good two minute drill. Sack- His first 8 games he didn’t throw a pick, but if you watched him against the Gmen in the opener you’d know he is not even competent. That makes 7 games and he showed he couldn’t make plays when they needed him to. At least KC showed a good two minute drill.

]]> By: JustAGreenGuy http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/22/buzz-is-there-chatter-for-campbell/#comment-151257 JustAGreenGuy Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:07:28 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/22/buzz-is-there-chatter-for-campbell/#comment-151257 I'm not in total disagreement with you, but Campbell has shown me nothing. I thought he was a decent prospect. I was wrong. I was all for Leftwich. I'm not convinced Campbell would beat KC in a competition. Campbell is not the answer. We need a QB, but I still would feel me have no QB with Campbell. He was bad before the end of last season too and had a tendency to lay an egg. I'd take KC. Hands down. I’m not in total disagreement with you, but Campbell has shown me nothing. I thought he was a decent prospect. I was wrong. I was all for Leftwich. I’m not convinced Campbell would beat KC in a competition. Campbell is not the answer. We need a QB, but I still would feel me have no QB with Campbell. He was bad before the end of last season too and had a tendency to lay an egg. I’d take KC. Hands down.

]]> By: Chris http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/22/buzz-is-there-chatter-for-campbell/#comment-151254 Chris Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:04:16 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/22/buzz-is-there-chatter-for-campbell/#comment-151254 Green. We definitely have a foundation, I agree. But.... We need a TON of help on each line. Not just from the starter perspective but we need depth on the Oline and need some more bodies on the Dline. With Jenk especially, we need a better rotation. And I am right with ya. Let's ride '09 with whoever wins camp. We aren't that far away but trading picks and leveraging hope on one player I think is the wrong move. I think we address big RB, Tall Wr, OL, DL and blocking TE in this draft- we will have done a great job. Green. We definitely have a foundation, I agree.

But….

We need a TON of help on each line. Not just from the starter perspective but we need depth on the Oline and need some more bodies on the Dline. With Jenk especially, we need a better rotation.

And I am right with ya. Let’s ride ’09 with whoever wins camp. We aren’t that far away but trading picks and leveraging hope on one player I think is the wrong move.

I think we address big RB, Tall Wr, OL, DL and blocking TE in this draft- we will have done a great job.

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