Comments on: Focus: Meet Your New Starting DE…Probably http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/30/focus-meet-your-new-starting-deprobably/ Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:13:00 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Inside Out: Marques Douglas | JetsVine http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/30/focus-meet-your-new-starting-deprobably/comment-page-1/#comment-159753 Inside Out: Marques Douglas | JetsVine Fri, 29 May 2009 17:00:40 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=12149#comment-159753 [...] — For more on the topic, see Bent’s analysis here. The Niners traded him because they didn’t think he would start in 2008, the Ravens then [...] [...] — For more on the topic, see Bent’s analysis here. The Niners traded him because they didn’t think he would start in 2008, the Ravens then [...]

]]> By: Eddie DiGio http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/30/focus-meet-your-new-starting-deprobably/comment-page-1/#comment-154688 Eddie DiGio Fri, 01 May 2009 02:59:47 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=12149#comment-154688 Jimmy Leonhard doesnt blindside people the way Elam does, but Elam is not anywhere close the athlete that Leonhard is. Leonhard is a better all around fit for Rex's D. Baltimore safeties are used in coverage i.e Ed Reed than the Mangina/ New England Rodney Harrison close to the line of scrimage run support. I think that Fonzie needs to relax and let our boy Rex decide what he needs to have in order to make his defense run, hes only been damn near the best at running one for the past 10 years. Kenyon Coleman and Abe Elam never won a playoff game in both there tenures. Relax, we didnt give up Bruce Smith and Ronnie Lott. On Marques Douglas, since getting Sunday ticket Ive seen him play a handful of times. Wont wow you, but he has a great motor, is a decent tackler and hitter, he is the kind of guy that doesnt have a problem eating blocks to let the superstars clean up the tackles. He is the typical Baltimore Raven guy you've never heard of but just brings a nasty, hardhat attitude to work. He cant rush the passer and only gets coverage and garbage sacks. He was only and will only be asked to play on running downs, which he can do very well. He is for lack of a better word, Kenyon Coleman Jimmy Leonhard doesnt blindside people the way Elam does, but Elam is not anywhere close the athlete that Leonhard is. Leonhard is a better all around fit for Rex’s D. Baltimore safeties are used in coverage i.e Ed Reed than the Mangina/ New England Rodney Harrison close to the line of scrimage run support.
I think that Fonzie needs to relax and let our boy Rex decide what he needs to have in order to make his defense run, hes only been damn near the best at running one for the past 10 years. Kenyon Coleman and Abe Elam never won a playoff game in both there tenures. Relax, we didnt give up Bruce Smith and Ronnie Lott.

On Marques Douglas, since getting Sunday ticket Ive seen him play a handful of times. Wont wow you, but he has a great motor, is a decent tackler and hitter, he is the kind of guy that doesnt have a problem eating blocks to let the superstars clean up the tackles. He is the typical Baltimore Raven guy you’ve never heard of but just brings a nasty, hardhat attitude to work. He cant rush the passer and only gets coverage and garbage sacks. He was only and will only be asked to play on running downs, which he can do very well. He is for lack of a better word, Kenyon Coleman

]]> By: StvDoe http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/30/focus-meet-your-new-starting-deprobably/comment-page-1/#comment-154681 StvDoe Fri, 01 May 2009 01:42:58 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=12149#comment-154681 fonzie, You just seem to love assuming the worst. I've no idea if Elam is more physical than Leonhard, as I never watched the few Baltimore games I've seen with an eye towards evaluating him. But I did see Elam get crisped on a regular basis. The only good thing I can say about Elam is he has some upside. As to Coleman, he's an aging run stopper with a large contract. No pass rush and no upside, I find it hard to believe that Marshal could be worse, and he's certainly cheaper. I think what this is really about is your dislike of the Sanchez pick, and a need to portray it in the worst possible light. As I've said before if they're right about Sanchez he's well worth the price, and if they're wrong about him it was well worth the shot. If you THINK there's a franchise QB out there you go for it. fonzie,

You just seem to love assuming the worst.

I’ve no idea if Elam is more physical than Leonhard, as I never watched the few Baltimore games I’ve seen with an eye towards evaluating him. But I did see Elam get crisped on a regular basis. The only good thing I can say about Elam is he has some upside.

As to Coleman, he’s an aging run stopper with a large contract. No pass rush and no upside, I find it hard to believe that Marshal could be worse, and he’s certainly cheaper.

I think what this is really about is your dislike of the Sanchez pick, and a need to portray it in the worst possible light.

As I’ve said before if they’re right about Sanchez he’s well worth the price, and if they’re wrong about him it was well worth the shot.

If you THINK there’s a franchise QB out there you go for it.

]]> By: fonzie http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/30/focus-meet-your-new-starting-deprobably/comment-page-1/#comment-154672 fonzie Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:10:27 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=12149#comment-154672 We have 3-4 players in a 3-4 scheme. We WILL NOT win games in the defensive battle if we use specfic schemes (i.e stunts, blitzes, etc) all the time. Yes the Steelers and Chargers use these schemes but at certain times of the games AFTER they have executed their 3-4 BASE game plan. We must win the war of the trenches straight forward rather to rely to specific schemes that tend to our opponents weaknesses or to create confusion. This is why I am terribly dissapointed in tannenbaum who trade coleman our starting DE and elam our starting safety for sanchez. Who is going to replace them? I don't think Leonhard is as physical as Elam and Douglas is nowhere near Coleman as far as his contributions to stopping the run and lost of yards when running on his side for the jets. We needed to address this issue in the draft however by filling in one hole that we needed to cover with an unknown variable (Sanchez) and removing patches from two areas (Coleman and Elam) results in a loss. Trust me the defense is going to feel it this year. It starts with Jenkins. Harris can only help him so much and I don't think Ellis can duplicate his success last year again this year. Once the defensive line falls apart the DEFENSE falls apart. I don't care if you have 11 gholstons Scotts, or Paces', out there flying all over the place you need to take care of the dirty work up front. We have 3-4 players in a 3-4 scheme. We WILL NOT win games in the defensive battle if we use specfic schemes (i.e stunts, blitzes, etc) all the time. Yes the Steelers and Chargers use these schemes but at certain times of the games AFTER they have executed their 3-4 BASE game plan. We must win the war of the trenches straight forward rather to rely to specific schemes that tend to our opponents weaknesses or to create confusion. This is why I am terribly dissapointed in tannenbaum who trade coleman our starting DE and elam our starting safety for sanchez. Who is going to replace them? I don’t think Leonhard is as physical as Elam and Douglas is nowhere near Coleman as far as his contributions to stopping the run and lost of yards when running on his side for the jets. We needed to address this issue in the draft however by filling in one hole that we needed to cover with an unknown variable (Sanchez) and removing patches from two areas (Coleman and Elam) results in a loss. Trust me the defense is going to feel it this year. It starts with Jenkins. Harris can only help him so much and I don’t think Ellis can duplicate his success last year again this year. Once the defensive line falls apart the DEFENSE falls apart. I don’t care if you have 11 gholstons Scotts, or Paces’, out there flying all over the place you need to take care of the dirty work up front.

]]> By: burf http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/30/focus-meet-your-new-starting-deprobably/comment-page-1/#comment-154661 burf Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:14:12 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=12149#comment-154661 Seems obvious to me, that Douglas will be part of a rotation, which will include Gholston. I tend to doubt we'll be seeing much of VG in space, at least at first, so I'm not concerned about Douglas not being a pressure guy. It'll be fun to see what Rex/Pettine come up with. Seems obvious to me, that Douglas will be part of a rotation, which will include Gholston. I tend to doubt we’ll be seeing much of VG in space, at least at first, so I’m not concerned about Douglas not being a pressure guy.
It’ll be fun to see what Rex/Pettine come up with.

]]> By: Bent http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/30/focus-meet-your-new-starting-deprobably/comment-page-1/#comment-154633 Bent Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:12:40 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=12149#comment-154633 NYC - I'm sure I could have worded that better. If I add to it: "he was a reserve for Rex Ryan’s Ravens defense last year (ie 2008) and HAD started 78 out of 80 games for the Ravens and 49ers over the PREVIOUS five seasons (ie 2003-2007 inclusive)..." Hopefully, that explains the situation better. He was with Baltimore for 2003 and 2004 and SF from 2005-2007, before returning to Baltimore in a reserve role. NYC – I’m sure I could have worded that better. If I add to it:

“he was a reserve for Rex Ryan’s Ravens defense last year (ie 2008) and HAD started 78 out of 80 games for the Ravens and 49ers over the PREVIOUS five seasons (ie 2003-2007 inclusive)…”

Hopefully, that explains the situation better. He was with Baltimore for 2003 and 2004 and SF from 2005-2007, before returning to Baltimore in a reserve role.

]]> By: The NYC Parking Expert http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/30/focus-meet-your-new-starting-deprobably/comment-page-1/#comment-154586 The NYC Parking Expert Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:06:20 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=12149#comment-154586 Nice article, Bent. One thing confuses me: you wrote "...Douglas, who was a reserve for Rex Ryan’s Ravens defense last year and had started 78 out of 80 games for the Ravens and 49ers over the previous five seasons...". He was a reserve but started all but 2 games in 5 years? Am I missing something? Thanks Nice article, Bent. One thing confuses me: you wrote “…Douglas, who was a reserve for Rex Ryan’s Ravens defense last year and had started 78 out of 80 games for the Ravens and 49ers over the previous five seasons…”. He was a reserve but started all but 2 games in 5 years? Am I missing something?
Thanks

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/30/focus-meet-your-new-starting-deprobably/comment-page-1/#comment-154577 Jonathan Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:54:23 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=12149#comment-154577 I'm glad TannyVision agrees with my view that DL is a much more pressing need than WR. Would rather be too young than too old. I’m glad TannyVision agrees with my view that DL is a much more pressing need than WR. Would rather be too young than too old.

]]> By: Akash http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/30/focus-meet-your-new-starting-deprobably/comment-page-1/#comment-154564 Akash Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:24:03 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=12149#comment-154564 My problem isnt with Douglas I am sure he will be alright but I have problem with his age. Even if he is good he cant sustain it for entire season My problem isnt with Douglas I am sure he will be alright but I have problem with his age. Even if he is good he cant sustain it for entire season

]]> By: Bent http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/04/30/focus-meet-your-new-starting-deprobably/comment-page-1/#comment-154534 Bent Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:00:29 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=12149#comment-154534 This year. This year.

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