Comments on: Is There Really Any Way to Know? http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/07/is-there-really-any-way-to-know/ Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green Sun, 12 Feb 2012 08:20:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: WhereHaveYouGoneJoeKlecko? http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/07/is-there-really-any-way-to-know/#comment-156478 WhereHaveYouGoneJoeKlecko? Thu, 07 May 2009 17:18:22 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/07/is-there-really-any-way-to-know/#comment-156478 Well, DUH! Of COURSE we don't really know what we have here! Does anybody really know what they have until the kids put the pads on? Brady was drafted in the sixth (or 7th) round for cryin' out loud. There was a whole contingent of people who thought Ryan Leaf was a sure thing. Ken O'Brien was drafted before Marino. Even the great Montana was a third rounder. I wonder what the heck all the so-called experts wrote about those guys coming out of college? Can we all just take a deep breath, and let the kid play first before we label him? Well, DUH! Of COURSE we don’t really know what we have here! Does anybody really know what they have until the kids put the pads on? Brady was drafted in the sixth (or 7th) round for cryin’ out loud. There was a whole contingent of people who thought Ryan Leaf was a sure thing. Ken O’Brien was drafted before Marino. Even the great Montana was a third rounder. I wonder what the heck all the so-called experts wrote about those guys coming out of college? Can we all just take a deep breath, and let the kid play first before we label him?

]]> By: HBK http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/07/is-there-really-any-way-to-know/#comment-156464 HBK Thu, 07 May 2009 16:09:56 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/07/is-there-really-any-way-to-know/#comment-156464 That being said, I have no idea, nor do I want to come off as if I think I have any idea, as to what playing on nothing but stacked teams all through high school and college will have on Sanchez. I just think it's interesting to think about. Also, I thought his point about not being able to beat out Booty, considering favre is about to take his number and his roster spot in all likely hood, was, at the very least funny. That being said, I have no idea, nor do I want to come off as if I think I have any idea, as to what playing on nothing but stacked teams all through high school and college will have on Sanchez. I just think it’s interesting to think about.

Also, I thought his point about not being able to beat out Booty, considering favre is about to take his number and his roster spot in all likely hood, was, at the very least funny.

]]> By: HBK http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/07/is-there-really-any-way-to-know/#comment-156463 HBK Thu, 07 May 2009 16:05:31 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/07/is-there-really-any-way-to-know/#comment-156463 That's true, I'm just trying to say that when we talk about QBs, and start seperating the legends from the greats from the busts, it almost never comes down to physical ability. QB is the most cerebral positon in the game, confidence to, and expeirence winning close games, at any level, isn't something that should just be dismissed as irrelevant. That’s true, I’m just trying to say that when we talk about QBs, and start seperating the legends from the greats from the busts, it almost never comes down to physical ability. QB is the most cerebral positon in the game, confidence to, and expeirence winning close games, at any level, isn’t something that should just be dismissed as irrelevant.

]]> By: JustAGreenGuy http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/07/is-there-really-any-way-to-know/#comment-156452 JustAGreenGuy Thu, 07 May 2009 15:44:59 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/07/is-there-really-any-way-to-know/#comment-156452 HBK- If you look at Peyton's stats in some of those exits you will see it wasn't all him. He did initially struggle against the Pats, but who doesn't? HBK- If you look at Peyton’s stats in some of those exits you will see it wasn’t all him. He did initially struggle against the Pats, but who doesn’t?

]]> By: HBK http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/07/is-there-really-any-way-to-know/#comment-156450 HBK Thu, 07 May 2009 15:41:41 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/07/is-there-really-any-way-to-know/#comment-156450 Bunji, if you're gonna talk about Peyton and brady, don't forget that whole can't win a big game thing held true for Peyton for a while. 4 straight playoff losses to start off his career, and those first two games against the patriots he really looked like a head case. Obviously he got his ring, but I don't think you can just dismiss his inability to win important games at the college level as a fluke. Peyton is 7-8 in the playoff with 6 first round exits, Brady is 14-3 with no 1st round exits.... Bunji, if you’re gonna talk about Peyton and brady, don’t forget that whole can’t win a big game thing held true for Peyton for a while. 4 straight playoff losses to start off his career, and those first two games against the patriots he really looked like a head case. Obviously he got his ring, but I don’t think you can just dismiss his inability to win important games at the college level as a fluke. Peyton is 7-8 in the playoff with 6 first round exits, Brady is 14-3 with no 1st round exits….

]]> By: SackDance99 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/07/is-there-really-any-way-to-know/#comment-156449 SackDance99 Thu, 07 May 2009 15:39:13 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/07/is-there-really-any-way-to-know/#comment-156449 I thought the article was thoughtful, if slanted. You can't fault a guy who wins over 90% of his games because he didn't win them all. That's just silly and it feeds the false belief that the QB wins or loses games all by himself. But, the idea that just an average QB can win the Super Bowl is somewhat statistically false. Actual Super Bowl winning QBs tend to be upper echelon QBs, often pro bowlers and a majority are in the HOF. Trading up to get a QB that a team believes has that kind of potential is worth it because great QBs are scarce. Plus, aren't there many warm weather QBs that have made it in the pros? How about Aikman? Favre? Elway? They all played in cities where it can get cold and snow. Last point, I think Peyton Manning said that every INT has a 100 stories. Of the two INTs that the author posted, the 1st in 2007 was awful. Sanchez threw into triple coverage on a WR he locked on to. The second, in 2008, was a miscommunication with his WR, who stopped and pivoted inside, if he had kept running he would've been in position to make the catch. Was the INT Sanchez's fault? What was the pattern supposed to be? It also looked like the WR (or TE) could've jumped, why didn't he? Every INT isn't the QB's fault, every pass caught for a TD isn't because the QB made a great throw and every win isn't because of the QB. I thought the article was thoughtful, if slanted. You can’t fault a guy who wins over 90% of his games because he didn’t win them all. That’s just silly and it feeds the false belief that the QB wins or loses games all by himself. But, the idea that just an average QB can win the Super Bowl is somewhat statistically false. Actual Super Bowl winning QBs tend to be upper echelon QBs, often pro bowlers and a majority are in the HOF. Trading up to get a QB that a team believes has that kind of potential is worth it because great QBs are scarce. Plus, aren’t there many warm weather QBs that have made it in the pros? How about Aikman? Favre? Elway? They all played in cities where it can get cold and snow.

Last point, I think Peyton Manning said that every INT has a 100 stories. Of the two INTs that the author posted, the 1st in 2007 was awful. Sanchez threw into triple coverage on a WR he locked on to. The second, in 2008, was a miscommunication with his WR, who stopped and pivoted inside, if he had kept running he would’ve been in position to make the catch. Was the INT Sanchez’s fault? What was the pattern supposed to be? It also looked like the WR (or TE) could’ve jumped, why didn’t he? Every INT isn’t the QB’s fault, every pass caught for a TD isn’t because the QB made a great throw and every win isn’t because of the QB.

]]> By: Harvlis http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/07/is-there-really-any-way-to-know/#comment-156448 Harvlis Thu, 07 May 2009 15:34:56 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/07/is-there-really-any-way-to-know/#comment-156448 The only input that Woody had, on picking Sanchez, is putting his stamp of approval on it. The choice was made by the coaching staff, along with Tannenbaum. They used their professional judgement, as to whether Sanchez had the mental and physical tools to do the job. We all saw how well players such as Leinart and Quinn played in college. When you step into the pros, it is a whole nother ball game. Alot has to do with your team, your O-Line, your O-Coordinator, and the opportunity you get to play and learn. Why write pessimistic garbage, before you see how things play out. So far, everything I see from Sanchez says that he will grow into a solid, intelligent, pro QB. The only input that Woody had, on picking Sanchez, is putting his stamp of approval on it. The choice was made by the coaching staff, along with Tannenbaum. They used their professional judgement, as to whether Sanchez had the mental and physical tools to do the job.

We all saw how well players such as Leinart and Quinn played in college. When you step into the pros, it is a whole nother ball game. Alot has to do with your team, your O-Line, your O-Coordinator, and the opportunity you get to play and learn. Why write pessimistic garbage, before you see how things play out. So far, everything I see from Sanchez says that he will grow into a solid, intelligent, pro QB.

]]> By: TOON2388 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/07/is-there-really-any-way-to-know/#comment-156440 TOON2388 Thu, 07 May 2009 15:21:09 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/07/is-there-really-any-way-to-know/#comment-156440 Also - I love how this guy is now an expert on Orange County High School football - because he KNOWS Mission Viejo has more talent across the board than say Laguna Niguel & El Toro Also – I love how this guy is now an expert on Orange County High School football – because he KNOWS Mission Viejo has more talent across the board than say Laguna Niguel & El Toro

]]> By: HBK http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/07/is-there-really-any-way-to-know/#comment-156439 HBK Thu, 07 May 2009 15:16:14 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/07/is-there-really-any-way-to-know/#comment-156439 I've liked everything I've seen from Sanchez so far. He seems to have his head in the right place, which, especially when you're playing in NYC, is just as important as all the physical stuff. So I'm looking forward to the Sanchez era, boom or bust. But I thought it was a good article, he raised some interesting points, and I thought his basic point of, maybe we should stop calling him Franchez, is something I totally agree with. The thing I want to know now, and looked for a little on the internet but wasn't able to find is, what was Carson Palmer's and Matt Lienarts win loss record in close games? How many comebacks did those guys engineer? Those guys played on stacked teams too. I think it would just be interesting to compare. Anyone know where you find this stuff out? I’ve liked everything I’ve seen from Sanchez so far. He seems to have his head in the right place, which, especially when you’re playing in NYC, is just as important as all the physical stuff. So I’m looking forward to the Sanchez era, boom or bust.

But I thought it was a good article, he raised some interesting points, and I thought his basic point of, maybe we should stop calling him Franchez, is something I totally agree with.

The thing I want to know now, and looked for a little on the internet but wasn’t able to find is, what was Carson Palmer’s and Matt Lienarts win loss record in close games? How many comebacks did those guys engineer? Those guys played on stacked teams too. I think it would just be interesting to compare. Anyone know where you find this stuff out?

]]> By: Bungi http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/07/is-there-really-any-way-to-know/#comment-156437 Bungi Thu, 07 May 2009 15:05:46 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/07/is-there-really-any-way-to-know/#comment-156437 No one really knows whether Sanchez will be a good QB or not. But the bottom line is if you think he has the potential to be a franchise QB and you haven't had one in forty years then you have to go get him. All these different variables are ridiculous. Peyton Manning couldn't win a big game in college yet he is great. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick and is great. Heath Shuler was a stud in college and was a bust. All these variables are pointless until you see what he does on the field in the NFL. However based on how he handles himself and the tools that he possesses I think it was worth the risk. No one really knows whether Sanchez will be a good QB or not. But the bottom line is if you think he has the potential to be a franchise QB and you haven’t had one in forty years then you have to go get him. All these different variables are ridiculous. Peyton Manning couldn’t win a big game in college yet he is great. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick and is great. Heath Shuler was a stud in college and was a bust. All these variables are pointless until you see what he does on the field in the NFL. However based on how he handles himself and the tools that he possesses I think it was worth the risk.

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