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	<title>Comments on: Expansion of the Rooney Rule in Store?</title>
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	<description>Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green</description>
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		<title>By: TOON2388</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/21/expansion-of-the-rooney-rule-in-store/#comment-158832</link>
		<dc:creator>TOON2388</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 18:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All good points by Smizzle and RK.  It just has always bothers me that people who have earned their station in life are stigmatized as &quot;being a number&quot; because systems like this exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All good points by Smizzle and RK.  It just has always bothers me that people who have earned their station in life are stigmatized as &#8220;being a number&#8221; because systems like this exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Bent</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/21/expansion-of-the-rooney-rule-in-store/#comment-158825</link>
		<dc:creator>Bent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here was me thinking that the Rooney rule meant that Manchester United players could shout at the referee without repercussions.

Anyone?  OK, then.

*shuffles off*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here was me thinking that the Rooney rule meant that Manchester United players could shout at the referee without repercussions.</p>
<p>Anyone?  OK, then.</p>
<p>*shuffles off*</p>
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		<title>By: RKNYC</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/21/expansion-of-the-rooney-rule-in-store/#comment-158822</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toon it is not just about the interviewing now it is also about giving young coaches the hope that they will have a chance too some day.  Reinforcing that anyone can become a coach cannot be negative.  Eventually I&#039;m sure it will be phased out but until then...the majority of players are black, none of the owners (other than investors who are &quot;part&quot; owners) and few of the coaches so fair is fair.  And I hate telling people they &quot;have&quot; to do anything but if they vote on the rule and &quot;agree&quot; to it then it is self-imposed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toon it is not just about the interviewing now it is also about giving young coaches the hope that they will have a chance too some day.  Reinforcing that anyone can become a coach cannot be negative.  Eventually I&#8217;m sure it will be phased out but until then&#8230;the majority of players are black, none of the owners (other than investors who are &#8220;part&#8221; owners) and few of the coaches so fair is fair.  And I hate telling people they &#8220;have&#8221; to do anything but if they vote on the rule and &#8220;agree&#8221; to it then it is self-imposed.</p>
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		<title>By: DSmizzle</title>
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		<dc:creator>DSmizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an interesting story about it.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_489701.html

It appears as though being that he had only 1 year - albeit a great year - as a Defensive Coordinator under this belt (with the Vikes), it wasn&#039;t all that likely he&#039;d have gotten interviews when there were some very highly-regarded, more established names out there, like Russ Grimm.  

Chan Gailey was recommended by Cowher to replace him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an interesting story about it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_489701.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_489701.html</a></p>
<p>It appears as though being that he had only 1 year &#8211; albeit a great year &#8211; as a Defensive Coordinator under this belt (with the Vikes), it wasn&#8217;t all that likely he&#8217;d have gotten interviews when there were some very highly-regarded, more established names out there, like Russ Grimm.  </p>
<p>Chan Gailey was recommended by Cowher to replace him.</p>
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		<title>By: DSmizzle</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/21/expansion-of-the-rooney-rule-in-store/#comment-158814</link>
		<dc:creator>DSmizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its meant to equalize the number of people seeking to become head coaches from various races to the number of head coaches.  I think its quite clear that the biggest source of head coaches is former college or NFL players.

Operating under the assumption that players from each race attempt to become coaches after their playing careers end proportionately to the % of each race in this pool of candidates, and also operating under the assumption that people of all races are equally intelligent, then you&#039;re left with an understanding of why the Rooney Rule exists.

Wasn&#039;t Mike Tomlin arguably a Rooney Rule guy but he blew Pittsburgh&#039;s brass away at his interview?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its meant to equalize the number of people seeking to become head coaches from various races to the number of head coaches.  I think its quite clear that the biggest source of head coaches is former college or NFL players.</p>
<p>Operating under the assumption that players from each race attempt to become coaches after their playing careers end proportionately to the % of each race in this pool of candidates, and also operating under the assumption that people of all races are equally intelligent, then you&#8217;re left with an understanding of why the Rooney Rule exists.</p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t Mike Tomlin arguably a Rooney Rule guy but he blew Pittsburgh&#8217;s brass away at his interview?</p>
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		<title>By: TOON2388</title>
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		<dc:creator>TOON2388</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smizz - I object to it because of the interviews that take place where the candidate has NO SHOT to get the job and was only interviewed because they are black.  And if the league&#039;s goal is to strive for further diversification, why is it only BLACK coaches that meet the criteria?  what about Asian, Indian, &amp; Jewish coaches?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smizz &#8211; I object to it because of the interviews that take place where the candidate has NO SHOT to get the job and was only interviewed because they are black.  And if the league&#8217;s goal is to strive for further diversification, why is it only BLACK coaches that meet the criteria?  what about Asian, Indian, &amp; Jewish coaches?</p>
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		<title>By: DSmizzle</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/05/21/expansion-of-the-rooney-rule-in-store/#comment-158805</link>
		<dc:creator>DSmizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TOON, my point was not about Affirmative Action.  Unless the Rooney Rule is forcing teams to make HIRES it is completely incomparable.

Why anyone would complain about NFL teams being forced to interview minority candidates is beyond comprehension to me.

I don&#039;t think it makes you racist if you don&#039;t like the Rooney Rule, I just don&#039;t get why someone would care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TOON, my point was not about Affirmative Action.  Unless the Rooney Rule is forcing teams to make HIRES it is completely incomparable.</p>
<p>Why anyone would complain about NFL teams being forced to interview minority candidates is beyond comprehension to me.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it makes you racist if you don&#8217;t like the Rooney Rule, I just don&#8217;t get why someone would care.</p>
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		<title>By: DSmizzle</title>
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		<dc:creator>DSmizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Mildred Loving, of Loving vs. Virginia, just died last year, in 2008.

One of the parties to a United States Supreme Court decision that said Virginia can&#039;t prevent interracial marriage, was still alive last year!  She was only 69, so she kind of died relatively young.

Assuming Mildred Loving had children at the time of this landmark Supreme Court decision, they would be what, 42 years of age right now?  Perfect age to start getting legit feelers for a head coaching job for an up-and-comer.

Ignorance of CONTEMPORARY or VERY RECENT United States history is a huge problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Mildred Loving, of Loving vs. Virginia, just died last year, in 2008.</p>
<p>One of the parties to a United States Supreme Court decision that said Virginia can&#8217;t prevent interracial marriage, was still alive last year!  She was only 69, so she kind of died relatively young.</p>
<p>Assuming Mildred Loving had children at the time of this landmark Supreme Court decision, they would be what, 42 years of age right now?  Perfect age to start getting legit feelers for a head coaching job for an up-and-comer.</p>
<p>Ignorance of CONTEMPORARY or VERY RECENT United States history is a huge problem.</p>
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		<title>By: TOON2388</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smizzle - the problem with rules and laws of this nature is that it ASSUMES everyone is guilty of racism.  It is another instance where our society passes laws/rules that cater to the EXCEPTION.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smizzle &#8211; the problem with rules and laws of this nature is that it ASSUMES everyone is guilty of racism.  It is another instance where our society passes laws/rules that cater to the EXCEPTION.</p>
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		<title>By: DSmizzle</title>
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		<dc:creator>DSmizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear Lord Lafflin why on earth did you write that?  Bassett, can we have that racist post removed forthwith?

Anyway, all the Rooney Rule has ever done was to get more interview experience for up-and-coming young black head coaching candidates.

Whether you all like it or not, historical inequities have made it statistically less likely that a young black coach in their mid-30&#039;s or 40&#039;s will have the same shot as a white coach in their 30&#039;s and 40&#039;s.

Its not because the NFL is racist against them NOW, but so many qualified (relatively) young black coaches had to face the same stigma that black quarterbacks face.

Let&#039;s face it:  if a black head coaching candidate is 50 years old right now, he was alive during the days of segregation, or was born right afterwards.  Its not as if when the NATIONAL GUARD was sent in to desegregate schools by force, a magic button was pressed that ended racism or discrimination.

The 1980&#039;s and 1990&#039;s were, obviously, only 2 and 3 decades after de-segregation, just when these black coaching candidates would normally have been developing as young coaches.  I&#039;m guessing we can all agree that there was a competitive disadvantage for them in a society that was a mere 2 decades past a very ugly chapter in our nation&#039;s history?  Or once again, you can go with the &quot;magic button&quot; theory that the South being FORCED to desegregate ended SEVERE discrimination and racism and made everything an equal playing field.

Another startling example of how close we are in our nation&#039;s history to this sort of horror:  Loving vs. Virgina was decided in 1967.  That&#039;s 42 years ago my friends.  While many of us were alive, and certainly our parents.

So while the league may be fair right now, quite clearly there is an interest in having the GM&#039;s, head coaches and so forth be representative of society as a whole, kind of like the Supreme Court.  Forcing teams to CONSIDER black head coaching candidates isn&#039;t exactly the same thing as Affirmative Action.  I&#039;m guessing that opponents of Affirmative Action aren&#039;t offended by it because it forces colleges to CONSIDER admitting potential black students, but because it does give a competitive advantage (which many believe it to counterbalance societal disadvantages but that is another story).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear Lord Lafflin why on earth did you write that?  Bassett, can we have that racist post removed forthwith?</p>
<p>Anyway, all the Rooney Rule has ever done was to get more interview experience for up-and-coming young black head coaching candidates.</p>
<p>Whether you all like it or not, historical inequities have made it statistically less likely that a young black coach in their mid-30&#8242;s or 40&#8242;s will have the same shot as a white coach in their 30&#8242;s and 40&#8242;s.</p>
<p>Its not because the NFL is racist against them NOW, but so many qualified (relatively) young black coaches had to face the same stigma that black quarterbacks face.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it:  if a black head coaching candidate is 50 years old right now, he was alive during the days of segregation, or was born right afterwards.  Its not as if when the NATIONAL GUARD was sent in to desegregate schools by force, a magic button was pressed that ended racism or discrimination.</p>
<p>The 1980&#8242;s and 1990&#8242;s were, obviously, only 2 and 3 decades after de-segregation, just when these black coaching candidates would normally have been developing as young coaches.  I&#8217;m guessing we can all agree that there was a competitive disadvantage for them in a society that was a mere 2 decades past a very ugly chapter in our nation&#8217;s history?  Or once again, you can go with the &#8220;magic button&#8221; theory that the South being FORCED to desegregate ended SEVERE discrimination and racism and made everything an equal playing field.</p>
<p>Another startling example of how close we are in our nation&#8217;s history to this sort of horror:  Loving vs. Virgina was decided in 1967.  That&#8217;s 42 years ago my friends.  While many of us were alive, and certainly our parents.</p>
<p>So while the league may be fair right now, quite clearly there is an interest in having the GM&#8217;s, head coaches and so forth be representative of society as a whole, kind of like the Supreme Court.  Forcing teams to CONSIDER black head coaching candidates isn&#8217;t exactly the same thing as Affirmative Action.  I&#8217;m guessing that opponents of Affirmative Action aren&#8217;t offended by it because it forces colleges to CONSIDER admitting potential black students, but because it does give a competitive advantage (which many believe it to counterbalance societal disadvantages but that is another story).</p>
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