Comments on: Kris Jenkins, Mr. Versatility http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/06/11/kris-jenkins-mr-versatility/ Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:18:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: fonzie http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/06/11/kris-jenkins-mr-versatility/#comment-161767 fonzie Fri, 12 Jun 2009 04:47:52 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/06/11/kris-jenkins-mr-versatility/#comment-161767 Yes I love how all of you guys bring up these questions. It all shows how many mistakes this front office has made. The defense will go DOWN THIS YEAR!!! Whether its the first game, the eight game, or the last game. It all starts in the trenches. BUDDY BOY you are in for one hell of a season if you think you can pull off something better than Mangini did in 2006. Yes I love how all of you guys bring up these questions. It all shows how many mistakes this front office has made. The defense will go DOWN THIS YEAR!!! Whether its the first game, the eight game, or the last game. It all starts in the trenches. BUDDY BOY you are in for one hell of a season if you think you can pull off something better than Mangini did in 2006.

]]> By: StvDoe http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/06/11/kris-jenkins-mr-versatility/#comment-161753 StvDoe Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:31:22 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/06/11/kris-jenkins-mr-versatility/#comment-161753 I've no idea if he could fill the role, but I'd love the irony of D'Rob helping us field a winner! I’ve no idea if he could fill the role, but I’d love the irony of D’Rob helping us field a winner!

]]> By: SackDance99 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/06/11/kris-jenkins-mr-versatility/#comment-161613 SackDance99 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:00:25 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/06/11/kris-jenkins-mr-versatility/#comment-161613 JetOrange, Ellis usually plays LDE and Coleman played RDE. I think Big Jenks at RDE in obvious passing downs could make sense, especially if there's an inside blitz. Big Jenks bearing down from the blind side is a QB/OC's nightmare. Bent, I always thought D-Rob wasn't given the opportunity to succeed with the Jets. He was slated to be the RDT in a 4-3, a position that he's ideally suited for. He's a classic 1-gap DT who plays with quickness more than bulk. When he was a rookie, he was the LDT with Jason Ferguson next to him. To me, they should've been swapped. LDT is a run-stopping position, but with D-Rob's quickness, you want him disrupting from the weak side. Then, Ferguson wasn't kept and James Reed played LDT to D-Rob's RDT. Reed stunk. But, in only 12 games, D-Rob had 3.5 sacks...not bad for an interior lineman. Then, he was switched to NT under Mangini and his numbers suffered. But, he never got credit for a good 2007 season...he had 4 sacks at NT. In Rex's defense often times the NT is not a 2-gap. Kelly Gregg (much like Klecko) shoots the strong-side gap; he's a 1-gap NT. D-Rob could do that well. I'd bring him back; for spot duty, especially on passing downs, D-Rob can be a force. JetOrange,

Ellis usually plays LDE and Coleman played RDE. I think Big Jenks at RDE in obvious passing downs could make sense, especially if there’s an inside blitz. Big Jenks bearing down from the blind side is a QB/OC’s nightmare.

Bent,

I always thought D-Rob wasn’t given the opportunity to succeed with the Jets. He was slated to be the RDT in a 4-3, a position that he’s ideally suited for. He’s a classic 1-gap DT who plays with quickness more than bulk. When he was a rookie, he was the LDT with Jason Ferguson next to him. To me, they should’ve been swapped. LDT is a run-stopping position, but with D-Rob’s quickness, you want him disrupting from the weak side. Then, Ferguson wasn’t kept and James Reed played LDT to D-Rob’s RDT. Reed stunk. But, in only 12 games, D-Rob had 3.5 sacks…not bad for an interior lineman. Then, he was switched to NT under Mangini and his numbers suffered. But, he never got credit for a good 2007 season…he had 4 sacks at NT.

In Rex’s defense often times the NT is not a 2-gap. Kelly Gregg (much like Klecko) shoots the strong-side gap; he’s a 1-gap NT. D-Rob could do that well. I’d bring him back; for spot duty, especially on passing downs, D-Rob can be a force.

]]> By: Bent http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/06/11/kris-jenkins-mr-versatility/#comment-161604 Bent Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:21:36 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/06/11/kris-jenkins-mr-versatility/#comment-161604 I think he's probably better than Pouha even at nose, but the logic behind picking him up would be that he could also play in 4-3 looks as a second tackle. Of course I regret the pick (although all the guys they were targeting with 13 and 22 were busts too). With the change to a 3-4, the bone-on-bone knee condition and the fact they threw away a year by pairing him with the Legree/Reed pupu platter, it didn't work out, but Robertson did a decent job, even when out of position anchoring the 3-4... just nowhere near as well as you'd expect from your high pick (and miles behind Jenkins). Pouha has never and will never have a game approaching the ones Robertson had against Pittsburgh in 2007, NE in 2006 and Miami in 2005. Maybe he wasn't as consistently productive as we'd like (although I believe he was 5th in the NFL for tackles by defensive linemen in 2006, despite the fact that his primary job was to take on blockers) but at least he showed flashes of ability which is more than Pouha has ever done. I think he’s probably better than Pouha even at nose, but the logic behind picking him up would be that he could also play in 4-3 looks as a second tackle.

Of course I regret the pick (although all the guys they were targeting with 13 and 22 were busts too). With the change to a 3-4, the bone-on-bone knee condition and the fact they threw away a year by pairing him with the Legree/Reed pupu platter, it didn’t work out, but Robertson did a decent job, even when out of position anchoring the 3-4… just nowhere near as well as you’d expect from your high pick (and miles behind Jenkins).

Pouha has never and will never have a game approaching the ones Robertson had against Pittsburgh in 2007, NE in 2006 and Miami in 2005. Maybe he wasn’t as consistently productive as we’d like (although I believe he was 5th in the NFL for tackles by defensive linemen in 2006, despite the fact that his primary job was to take on blockers) but at least he showed flashes of ability which is more than Pouha has ever done.

]]> By: Le' Sean Roberts http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/06/11/kris-jenkins-mr-versatility/#comment-161602 Le' Sean Roberts Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:05:46 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/06/11/kris-jenkins-mr-versatility/#comment-161602 Bent, Robertson better than Pouha? At what nose?Even if it's his natural 3-technique that's just flat out nuts to think so; he's a bust, highly overrated. We threw two found round picks in the trash for him. Was covered up by Jason Ferguson, making him look good at one point. Again, look at the talent pool in the first and second round of the 2003 draft, then tell me you don't regret this pick (Kevin Williams, Polumalu, etc.). Another thing Albert Haynesworth is an athletic freak show; beats D'brick on the edge. He's better suited to play a 3-4 end, and would free up a rush linebacker in a one-gap; at 6-6, he's too damn high, similar to Richard Seymour, Henderson, Stroud. One player had another as a DT teamate in college. I can't remember the pair though. Bent, Robertson better than Pouha? At what nose?Even if it’s his natural 3-technique that’s just flat out nuts to think so; he’s a bust, highly overrated. We threw two found round picks in the trash for him. Was covered up by Jason Ferguson, making him look good at one point. Again, look at the talent pool in the first and second round of the 2003 draft, then tell me you don’t regret this pick (Kevin Williams, Polumalu, etc.).
Another thing Albert Haynesworth is an athletic freak show; beats D’brick on the edge. He’s better suited to play a 3-4 end, and would free up a rush linebacker in a one-gap; at 6-6, he’s too damn high, similar to Richard Seymour, Henderson, Stroud. One player had another as a DT teamate in college. I can’t remember the pair though.

]]> By: Le' Sean Roberts http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/06/11/kris-jenkins-mr-versatility/#comment-161601 Le' Sean Roberts Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:52:19 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/06/11/kris-jenkins-mr-versatility/#comment-161601 Concerning the ILBs, particulary Harris and others brought in before Ryan was head coach, they were drafted to play the conservative two-gap 3-4; they should be accumstomed to physical punishement. We'll see how Bart Scoot reacts. There's really no excuse. I believe such an alignment signals overload blitz (lightning) on one side, zone (blitz), etc. Anyhow Baltimore had Kelly Gregg and Ngata; Green and Pouha can easily fill that role. Again, as I've said before, if necessary they can slide over into a traditinal 4-3 loook and vice versa, etc. Concerning the ILBs, particulary Harris and others brought in before Ryan was head coach, they were drafted to play the conservative two-gap 3-4; they should be accumstomed to physical punishement. We’ll see how Bart Scoot reacts. There’s really no excuse. I believe such an alignment signals overload blitz (lightning) on one side, zone (blitz), etc. Anyhow Baltimore had Kelly Gregg and Ngata; Green and Pouha can easily fill that role. Again, as I’ve said before, if necessary they can slide over into a traditinal 4-3 loook and vice versa, etc.

]]> By: Bent http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/06/11/kris-jenkins-mr-versatility/#comment-161599 Bent Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:33:16 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/06/11/kris-jenkins-mr-versatility/#comment-161599 I first suggested using Jenkins at DE in this thread: http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/02/29/kris-jenkins-gets-new-35-million-5-year-deal/ and a few people said I was crazy. At the time, the Jets still had DeWayne Robertson and I was suggesting they could do a lot worse than have D-Rob at nose and Jenkins at DE or maybe could have drafted Sedrick Ellis to play alongside KJ. I doubt the Jets see Pouha/Green/Ropati (even in a rotation) as anywhere near strong enough to hold down that position full time, but maybe they are high enough on one of those to consider using it from time to time. They might as well try it out, anyway, and if it doesn't work, then they know not to use it! You can move a huge explosive guy all over the line in a 4-3, as the Titans showed with Haynesworth last year. In a 3-4 (or a 3.5-3.5) or a 46 look, that's even easier. Robertson's a free agent, by the way and I'd be a lot more willing than many of you to bring him in for a look if he's cheap enough. I know he represents this complete failure amongst many Jets fans, but that's when viewing him as a 4th pick earning a ton of money. As a low cost FA, he's got to be better than Pouha. Now you can all call me crazy again! I first suggested using Jenkins at DE in this thread: http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/02/29/kris-jenkins-gets-new-35-million-5-year-deal/
and a few people said I was crazy. At the time, the Jets still had DeWayne Robertson and I was suggesting they could do a lot worse than have D-Rob at nose and Jenkins at DE or maybe could have drafted Sedrick Ellis to play alongside KJ.

I doubt the Jets see Pouha/Green/Ropati (even in a rotation) as anywhere near strong enough to hold down that position full time, but maybe they are high enough on one of those to consider using it from time to time. They might as well try it out, anyway, and if it doesn’t work, then they know not to use it!

You can move a huge explosive guy all over the line in a 4-3, as the Titans showed with Haynesworth last year. In a 3-4 (or a 3.5-3.5) or a 46 look, that’s even easier.

Robertson’s a free agent, by the way and I’d be a lot more willing than many of you to bring him in for a look if he’s cheap enough. I know he represents this complete failure amongst many Jets fans, but that’s when viewing him as a 4th pick earning a ton of money. As a low cost FA, he’s got to be better than Pouha. Now you can all call me crazy again!

]]> By: JetOrange http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/06/11/kris-jenkins-mr-versatility/#comment-161595 JetOrange Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:48:52 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/06/11/kris-jenkins-mr-versatility/#comment-161595 I think we always under estimate how difficult it is to play LDE in a 3-4. Kimo failed , Coleman was adequate, and I don't think Douglas is the answer, my hope is that DeVito steps up. LDE faces the strong side running of the offense, Jenk at LDE could blow that up. There is also the surprise element, and the reduction of strain on the body while keeping him on the field. On a positive spin ,it is a way to keep Jenk on the field in Pouha or Green is playing well. I think we always under estimate how difficult it is to play LDE in a 3-4. Kimo failed , Coleman was adequate, and I don’t think Douglas is the answer, my hope is that DeVito steps up. LDE faces the strong side running of the offense, Jenk at LDE could blow that up. There is also the surprise element, and the reduction of strain on the body while keeping him on the field. On a positive spin ,it is a way to keep Jenk on the field in Pouha or Green is playing well.

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