Comments on: Jets Release Martrez Milner, Kareem’s Chances Looking Good

By: Merc20

Merc20 — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:41:21 +0000

@igs…

sorry but I used answered your direct question

“Can anyone find me example of a WINNING team, that has taken a player that has been playing one position in college and the prose and let him play a pivotal position on the other side?”

If you don’t like my answer don’t ask the question. But they are valid. They were players that played primarily one position in college/pros and switched successfully. And were/are productive. But if you want dismiss it I’ve got no problem but I think there’s room for experiments when there’s 80 players trying to make a ball club.

Merc20

By: igs

igs — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:24:24 +0000

Merc, in addition, Troy Brown was a WR that was primarily used as a WR and played his way into the DB position when injuries permitted. He never stopped being a WR. He was never projected as a DB. And the Pats never dropped a DBs roster spot for him. So that’s also a bad example.

And primarily, if you have to dig for examples (although your examples were bad), that just supports my point, that there’s no precedent for doing this, especially on the championship teams.

By: ramble914

ramble914 — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:49:38 +0000

It seems to me that a 6′-4″, 300 lb. DE (Brown’s former size) is a more valuable commodity, than a 270 lb. TE; all things being equal. I would think that natural/basic ability would be the overriding factor in deciding where a player plays, and Brown seems to me to be more natural at DE. But maybe this is just an experiment, and if it doesn’t work he’ll move back to DE.

By: igs

igs — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:25:33 +0000

Merc, bad examples. there’s a tradition of college QBs, that for skill set are slated in the draft to go QB: Matt JOnes, HInes Ward, Randle-El, Charlie Ward, etc.

In Brown, we’re not talking about that kind of player. We’re talking about a guy that was never projected to play TE in the draft, and has been player pretty mediocre DE. Is he that much of an athlete? Where has it shown on the feild. Because he certainly has not excelled or shown much potential.

Bent, but he beat out Milner in mini camp. Mini camp means nothing. If anything, if the jets have to go forward with this god-awful experiment, let him beat out Milner in pre-season, in some real competition, because that’s where position, especially skill players, seperate themselves.

Man-genie is gone. Let’s stop wasting time with experiments. There’s a lot to lose. We’ve seen that for 40 years.

By: JetOrange

JetOrange — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:42:33 +0000

Bent
He has been in defensive meetings during OTA’s. I would agree at 270 your a little light to play Defensive End, but your only looking at 6-8 snaps a game, possibly in passing situations. For Brown’s career, the best evolution for him defensively is to become a SAM LB, the linebacker playing over the TE. Certainly he has the size , the movement and agility is another matter. There is a certain synergy in training, you practice as a TE, and then flop over and practice as a SAM against the Tight End. In Rex’s system he uses tweeners all over the field, sometimes as a DE, and other times as a LB, IMO ReX will find Browne a situational role on defense.

By: JetMetVet

JetMetVet — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:34:11 +0000

@ JetOrange,

That was a solid post. That was a helluva breakdown..

Go Green

By: Bent

Bent — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:25:17 +0000

Repo – Rex said that he was happy with the (Stuckey, Smith, Clowney) group but nobody had separated themselves from the pack.

Orange – I don’t think we’ll see Kareem at DE anymore. He’s down to less than 270 pounds for one thing – too small for a three man front – and was never a speed rusher off the edge, so I don’t expect them to use him in that role. He’s been exclusively used as a TE in camp.

igs – My attitude is more “what have they got to lose?” Kareem’s a guy they have had under contract and obviously believe they can get to contribute in some way. If it doesn’t work, they haven’t lost anything. Him beating out Milner should be a sign that he is already at a level where he’s outplaying (or at least showing more promise than) “available, real TEs”.

By: Merc20

Merc20 — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 07:18:27 +0000

@igs….

Oh and the patriots took a WR in Troy Brown and used him in the secondary of all places in the SUPER BOWL. He was second on the team in interceptions for the season. It’s getting late.. maybe I can dig up some more winners for you tomorrow….

Merc20

By: Merc20

Merc20 — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 07:12:17 +0000

@igs

I’ll bite… How does Hines Ward suite you? College QB turned pro bowl/SUPER BOWL WINNING WR. I can definitely go on but that’s the first one that comes to mind.

Merc20

By: Reprocity

Reprocity — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 06:03:22 +0000

Bassett, Bent, any one… Any news on who’s been getting playing time at WR opposite Cotch?