Jay Feely Says Stuff In Company of Prominent Stuffy White Men
So we’ve been getting emails from many of you about Jay Feely and his recent appearance on a certain political show last night and some of the things he said.
I refuse to get into the content of his statements, whether they were uninformed/informed/stupid/poignant whatever … sorry, but WE DON’T CARE.
For more than four years we’ve sought to keep politics and the stuff that we think about in real life from invading this blog, and Feely’s statements haven’t changed our sentiments one bit. I have very strongly held opinions on politics, in college I was a political science major before I realized I had a soul and got the hell out of that program, but that doesn’t change the fact that
I LOATHE POLITICS WHICH IS WHY I BLOG ABOUT SPORTS, NOT POLITICS.
In brief, I don’t want to talk about what he said, and I don’t want you to either because it’s not relevant to what this blog has been mostly about. Sure we dally in non-news about who’s sloppy seconds-ing whom, but about 95% percent of what we do is talk about what it’s going to take to get the Jets to the playoffs, figuring out who the team’s 2009 QB is, or finding a malcontent to play receiver and skip team meetings.
We just don’t care about politics here, if it’s important to you, go check out Wonkette for your Beltway gossip.
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On a lighter note:
DH got hitched to his college gf
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/profile.php?id=614721538&ref=nf
Amen.
Would it be a big story if [enter name of influential political figure here] made comments about Feely’s kicking technique?
Congrats to the DH. Please be gentle with him on honeymoon.
b-
first you tell us that you hate politics, and then you link to a clip of feely acting like an ignoramus on hannity, and then you ask us not to talk about it.
is this some sort of a test?
I dont totally disagree with Feely but just as I hate hearing the Bruce’s of music and the Clooney’s of Hollywood talk about politics I just want Feely to kick the damn ball thru the uprights!!
Amen. No politics, please. Ever.
Dont know what he said, and I wont either as I could care less…
But did he happen to mention why he wears receiver’s gloves when he kicks?
Still waiting for the fake field goal to a streaking Feely on a go route for a TD! Now that would be TJB worthy.
there must be a reason….
im just happy hes a conservative. and rex in his first interveiw with the post said he was a republican.
Bring back…Nugent?
didn’t Tuna always say he hated kickers? or am i thinking of someone else?
Report: Favre will be at Vikes training camp
WCCO Minnesota reports that free agent Brett Favre will be at Vikings training camp in Mankato at the end of July, “barring some unforeseen major physical setback.”
Confirming Sunday’s speculation, a source tells the news station that the Vikings and Favre already have a contract agreement. The deal is reportedly “heavy” on incentives and the Vikes have formally ordered No. 4 jerseys with Favre’s name on the back. That’s John David Booty’s number. Not anymore. Jun. 23 – 9:10 pm et
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As a huge Jets fan and current DC resident, I couldn’t disagree with you more Bassett. I’m not going to say I agree or disagree with Feely here, but you should know that it isn’t a bad thing to occasionally say what you feel – even if it is touchy. But you’re right! This isn’t the place for politics…
(so why make a politics entry in your adamantly non-partisan/non-political sports blog?)
Looking at how the Jets stack up against the Fins in 2009
http://turnonthejets.com/2009/06/23/scouting-the-afc-east-miami-dolphins/
Feely should shut up and kick the ball. Doesn’t he know that Conservative Republicans are losers.
harvlis conservatives are losers…..so i guess that makes jimmy carter a winner right lol….i bet all you people that are knocking feely wouldnt mind if he went on and said obama was the chosen one…….i watched the clip and i dont see anything he said that was “dumb” or “stupid”
Tommy, How could you? You voted for Bush. Enough said.
tommy-
the thing about the clip was that feely sounded articulate but he didnt say ANYTHING at all. he mentioned chavez and north korea but he offered no substantive critique of administrative policy and no proposed alternative. it was just utter nonsense. then he concluded with a swipe at the character of the POTUS. i actually thought it was funny.
let’s just all agree not insult each other. i disagree with bent and bassett. i think its fine to talk (sometimes) about politics on this blog, but if we’re going to hurl insults, i’ll probably go over to their side.
You guys hear about Mark Herzlich? Wwat a crazy situation.. THat guys was like spider man. But watch out for his other half, Robert Francios. He went undrafted but this guy is going to make a splash in the NFL in the next, I’ll say, 4 years.
I don’t know if most of you are aware, but there’s a website that tracks what sports stars are republican and which are democrat, and you can see what they’ve donated to who.
http://www.newsmeat.com
harvlis your a joke…..i take your insult as a compliment the man kept my family and country safe for 8 years
can we all at least agree eliot spitzer kinda looks like bill cowher?
george h.w. bush (the elder bush) played baseball at yale. he was a light hitting first baseman, but at least he made the team.
can any of you name the supreme court justice who was also an NFL star?
To be a republican is to be unconscious about the interconnectedness of all things and think that being greedy and selfish about social matters is admirable. Anyone who has tried to lift himself up by his own bootstraps knows that’s as impossible as making your own luck. Luck is God’s job not some blowhard’s. Am I wrong thinking when guys point to heaven after doing something good, they are thanking God, not patting themselves on the back?
Speaking of blowhards, just saw Bart Scott in a playoff game miss a crucial tackle against Steelers after having both hands on the runner. And now you tell me Rex is a republican too. A lot of wind coming from these guys but from which end? As the zen story says, “We’ll see”.
Supreme Court guy? Wizard White?
You know what no one’s mentioned? That awesome photo is clearly from a more awesomer (yeah, i did it grammar police!) t-shirt. Bassett, do you own said shirt and if so, can it be had for an iced coffee?
simplysimon2
you completely ignored about leaving politcal views out. and by the way, your view on “republicans” is… just stupid. lol. i think you should actually learn what makes someone a republican and stop stereotyping republicans by stuff you see on the TV.
Much agreed, greene. simplysimon2’s comments simply lend to the notion that he does not truly understand politics and relies on Democratic party stereotypes about Republicans.
Most Republicans are good, hard working people who feel as though it is not the government’s job to interfere with our daily lives. To put it in football terms, the best referee squads are the ones that go unnoticed. This is not to say that they are being negligent, but understanding that intervention is not constantly needed.
Disliking Obama is not a crime. We enjoy free speech in this country, and no one should be afraid to make use of that. However, free speech is under attack at the moment; people who publicly criticize our current President are subject to shame and ridicule. I find this curious, as just less than a year ago, liberals claimed that criticizing Bush was perfectly alright, citing that “Dissent is the greatest form of patriotism.” I believe that this is true, but it must work both ways.
Leave Feely alone, he spoke his mind, and you should respect that. You don’t have to like it, but you should have the class of character to just let it go and remember why Feely matters to you in the first place: he is a New York Jet. We are here to support our team, and not worry about what political parties our players and coaches vote for.
Tommy, you watch too much Fox News. We were attacked on Bush’s watch. His administration disregarded warnings. So much for keeping us safe. Give Obama a chance. He has been in office for half a year. It’s going to take time, to bring the country back from the hole that the last administration put us in.
Simple made some great statements about republicans. He just forgot to mention that the Dim-Ocrats are not much better. They are a little better. There’s a little bit less of a history of warfare in the modern era. But they aint much better. The electoral system is crap.
“I LOATHE POLITICS WHICH IS WHY I BLOG ABOUT SPORTS, NOT POLITICS.”
Oh come on. Sports are politics. It’s all politics. It’s all about how we define the world around us. You cant escape it. If for no other reason, because athletes are people that have lives just like you and me. That’s why we’ve spent so much time talking this off season about cocaine, battered women, and gun laws. And for each topic, we’ve discussed how it would effect the team, whether it’s a legitimate threat, what our personal views on it are, etc, etc.
Harvlis, you seem to listen to too much Air America. In the last couple of months, Obama has signed legislation for more money spent on the entire Iraq war.
The major part of the problem with Bush’s presidency was the fact that he lowered taxes across the board while additionally approving spending increases in the form of increasing the size of government (not a conservative principle) and the Iraq war. This, as we all know, led to massive budget deficits.
Obama has decided to continue these principles, but has taken the spending to astronomical new heights. Take into consideration the currently proposed public health plan. The estimated cost is at 1 trillion dollars. As we all know, government estimates normally fall far under the real cost (Iraq being the most current example). This is money that the country simply doesn’t have. Take for instance the billions of dollars poured into General Motors and Chrysler, both of whom have filed for bankruptcy, causing all of that money to literally disappear. Consider the Fed, who has doled out 2 trillion dollars as a part of the stimulus bill, but does not know to whom the money was given. The committee chairman has claimed that she does not know where the money is, and the investigation into the matter could take over eight months; plenty of time for that money to disappear.
You must understand that both Republicans and Democrats have faults. Failing to recognize this, and failure to properly research political policy and take an active role in politics, is a critical error in judgment.
ss2-
yes it was byron “whizzer” white.
bassett-
i sort of liked this thread but let’s not do it again soon. blogging sports and politics is cool when it enters into the conversation naturally, like with plaxico’s legal troubles. beyond that, its sort of a bummer.
here’s a link from DYLAN which demonstrates the best possible sports-politics connection: (maybe hard to paste but funny)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyEyfQC_8yA&feature=PlayList&p=vY3×8oj4XFI
The only point of interest in any of this: I refer you to the very high-class snarking going on in the comments section of the Deadspin blog posting. I applaud the wit.
i agree with this is a sports blog, and while i disagree with his comments, he seems very bright and was well spoken
heck its his life, if he wants to do this kind of stuff more power to him. i mean if players can do ads for local car washes and dealerships, why cant feeley talk on fox.
I’d prefer not to hear the political views of my placekicker. That was like when MSNBC had Tiki Barber on as a race relations expert. I believe it was the Scarborough show. lol
Bush = Idiot who supported big business and screwed the little guy
Obama= Bush Lite (supports big business but says he is for the little guy)
Who cares we never have a legitimate choice for president. I really hate voting with a passion, but I still do it because it is a civic duty.
I just hope Feeley kicks a winning FG to put us in the Super Bowl. That is what i would like.
“i disagree with bent and bassett. i think its fine to talk (sometimes) about politics on this blog, but if we’re going to hurl insults, i’ll probably go over to their side.”
When it gets political, it ALWAYS ends in people throwing insults. As you can see, it’s begun already. That’s the point.
“why make a politics entry in your adamantly non-partisan/non-political sports blog?”
To acknowledge the fact that we are aware of an issue which Jets fans might be discussing, keep all of the political comments isolated to this thread and to remove any expectation you might have of any political issued-based commentary on the matter.
We all have our (strong held?) political opinions and, per bassett’s original point, it’s fairly useless to debate those views here. What IS up for discussion though, is the appearance of Feely itself on a political program, which it seems most everyone agrees was uncalled for. Who’s really to blame?
Is it Feely, who like every other celebrity, decided he needed to voice his opinion on something that no one cares what his opinion it is?
Is it Hannity for having such a crappy political show that the best guest he can bring on is a journeyman kicker who isn’t even very good at his chosen profession?
Or is it our fault (all people – democrat/republican), as a whole, for being too stupid to have an attention span that allows us to focus on anything for longer than 2 minutes unless there’s a celebrity somehow attached to it?
Sam,
Obama had to sign that legislation, and spend that money, so that our country could try to rebound from one of the worst situations we have ever been in. He stepped into a nightmare. Don’t try to put any of this on Obama. It is obvious to everyone that if he sneezes the wrong way, repugnicants try to bash him on it. Instead of playing politics, get behind him so that the country can move forward.
Break away from the politics of hate.
Refs who are invisible are like regulators who don’t regulate and we end up in the financial mess we’re in.
Now that we’ve aired our differences, let’s focus on what brought us together in the first place: J-E-T-S, JETS, JETS, JETS!!!!
for everyone who thinks Obama is playing it honest, check out Alex jones and his website, prisonplanet.com or find his movie: The Obama Conspiracy it’s interesting to say the least.
Feely being right or wrong can be a whole other discussion, but he’s cerebral ot say the least. Too cerebral. Kickers who think too much miss field goals.
Looking at the football perspective, this has to make Jay Feely the least popular guy on the team. Not only is he the kicker, but he’s calling Obama a “socialist muslim”. Clearly, some of the Jets are going to take great offense to that remark and wonder “if Jay Feely thinks that about Obama, then what does he think about some of the guys on this team?”
By the way, as someone who works in the Beltway, I can assure you that regardless of whether Rebulicans or Democrats are in power, your interests are not even a consideration. They both say one thing and do another. Its about power, money, and more and more frequently about sex and drugs.
Even though I’m a “loser” republican (is that anyway for a left winger to speak Harvlis? lol) and have some of the same fears that Feely does….. I dont watch Feely to get his political views just as I dont watch Hannity to kick extra points.
If feely was a star, this would be a big deal, but he’s just the kicker so its definitely a “who cares.” but he is a pretty good kicker so lets hope he comes through for us and keeps his opinions to himself until he retires.
Btw, In a comment in a previous post i said that the dolphins must be pissed with our “sloppy seconds” QB (Pennigton), and my comment got deleted..so watch out! this whole post might be deleted.
Harvlis, Liberalism is a mental disorder.
It’s a good thing the Federal Reserve didn’t create that bubble back in ‘99, because people would be saying that the economic collapse is their fault instead of giving them more power….hmmmmmmm
i just want to point out, it all started on simplysimon2’s completely ignorant remark on republicans.
This makes me like feely even more. And Harvlis, you need to get your head out of the sand and open your eyes to whats going on!!
bent-
it got a little touchy, but 46 posts (and counting) is more than any of the recent “pure football” threads. you may be correct that talking politics on sports blogs normally devolves to insults. however there are many places where policy alternatives are debated without resort to ugly name calling.
my view is that there are some good points to conservatism and there are some good points to liberalism. in the end, we’re all americans and who love our country in the same way that we’re all jets fans who love our team.
now i am definitely ready for some football.
this site is my oasis from a career in the political sphere. i’d like to keep it that way.
Not to bash but when im called a loser bc im a republican i have to defend myself. Don’t you think its hilarious that the extreme liberals (like harvlis) preach tolerance yet when it comes to republicans they are the most intolerant people in the world. Once again im talking about extreme liberals
I listened to his comments on the Sean Hannity show. They were not all that bad. The dude is allowed to question the president’s policies and compare Iran to other similar situations. Lord knows enough people questioned Bush. I guess I’m one of those rare people who lets people be as ignorant or intolerant as they want to be. If I have to deal with ignorant Yankee and Giants fans every day then I guess I can deal with a few ignorant Dems and Republicans (I’m neither).
POLITICS ASIDE: Jay Feeley is a complete and utter ignorant buffoon. It doesn’t matter how articulate you sound, but making vague references to Chavez, North Korea and other villanous figures in the world without making a point is the mileau of Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, et al.
This is not a Republican or Democratic thing. Hannity is an idiot and knows nothing about the history of US-Iran relations. The history of US-Iran relations is a nightmare, rife with anti-Americanism fueled by religious fervor which was fed by our support of the Shah.
The slightest involvement and meddling with the LIBERAL revolution going on in Iran right now would be a nightmare for the Iranian people. Read “Guests of the Ayatollah” for some perspective. Everything to the current Iranian leadership (which, ironically, came to power in a similar fashion as to what we are seeing in the streets today) was “CIA, CIA, CIA” when they took over our embassy. Listen to Khamenei’s speeches throughout his reign as “Supreme Leader for Life” as elected in 1989. Its “great devil, great devil, great devil”.
The reason I called the protesters “liberal” is not meant to be a “liberal or conservative” argument in American terms. Their government is a theocracy, and its hard to define fighting for freedom against religious rules and for free speech to be right-wing in nature.
The bottom line is that nearly every single intelligence analyst with knowledge of history would tell you that Obama has been delicately walking a very fine line and the biggest fear would be to give any creedence, whatsoever, to the Iranian government’s constant assertions that the US is behind these protests.
The Iranian people may very well overthrow Khameini. It would be on the biggest developments for our national security in ages. The fact of the matter is that in addition to more freedom from religious oppression, they are also seeking better relations with the West, including the US. This would not be the case but-for Obama’s stance. I don’t think McCain singing “Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran” would have helped this situation!
Feeley, shut your ignorant mouth. Hold whatever beliefs you want, but people like you making statements like this can only hurt the Iranian people. They’re suffering enough right now without you giving the American people an ignorant viewpoint on a very difficult situation. I hope you bust a hammy and end your career. This makes me sick.
“In a comment in a previous post i said that the dolphins must be pissed with our “sloppy seconds” QB (Pennigton), and my comment got deleted..so watch out! this whole post might be deleted.”
I can find no record of such comment ever being made. We don’t generally delete any comments unless they are pointless insults that add nothing to the conversation. And we have no immediate plans to delete this thread.
That comment itself is quite amusing, so there’s no way it would have been deleted unless it also contained offensive language. Probably just a glitch.
Benjam – trust me, on THIS blog, whenever politics is mentioned, there’s always an argument. It’s great that people are so passionate about such issues though. We just prefer it not to get too personal, but I’m not getting involved.
“in the end, we’re all americans and who love our country”
Ironically, I am not! I’m English, and I love your country more than my own. People over here are nowhere near as passionate (or educated) about politics as you guys.
To be clear:
I hold no ill will towards Feeley for being a Republican or speaking his mind.
But people like he and Hannity need to leave this one alone for now. They are hurting the cause of Neda and other brave Iranians who are currently engaged in a show-down that might end the religious dictatorship currently oppressing them.
“Chavez, North Korea”? What the hell? I think that the Iranians currently fighting against their anti-American government prefer Obama to Bush, Cheney or McCain and Palin!!!
I’m sorry for my hardcore views on this topic, but what is going on in Iran doesn’t call for the garden variety political hackery that Feeley is engaging in. I don’t want to hear Bruce Springsteen’s views when I go to his concert, nor do I want to hear Feeley’s ignorant comments about a tenuous situation he knows nothing about!
dsmizzle you say politics aside and then you knock levine who knows more about politics than you could ever dream of, and call hanity an idiot. thats what liberals do, if someone dosent agree with them they call them an “idiot” or say their “stupid”. next when i say obama has done nothing but triple the deficit since he took office your going to call me a “racist”. lol your words cant hurt me bro
So Bent, are you telling me that our fan of both the UK and the USA?
Dan,
This country is split down the middle, as far as politics is concerned. Unfortunately, the conservative media is totally consumed with bashing Obama, before he has a chance to do anything. Conservative leaning citizens fall for all of the Fox News garbage. To say Obama is a Muslim who will turn this country into a Socialist state is just moronic. The problems that Bush left us with were horrendous. I didn’t see any positive ideas coming out of the conservative camp. Instead of looking to blast Obama on everything that comes out of his mouth, conservatives should work with democrats to pull us out of the hole we are in. Hate will take us nowhere.
By the way, I reccomend that you watch the game at home. You could get shot, rooting for the Jets in one of your Oklahoma bars.
Feely apparently has political aspirations and is trying to raise his public profile. I really didn’t think what he said was “ignorant” and I think it’s every American’s right to question the decisions made by our political leaders. People knock Hannity; however, is what he says any less vitriolic, partisan and ill-informed than what Keith Olberman or Bill Maher says? I don’t think so.
I’d much rather talk about last night’s “Rescue Me.” At a family dinner, Denis Leary’s while saying grace before a family dinner concluded by thanking God “for the New York Jets trading for Brett Favre.” Now, that was some funny stuff!
tommyfromsi,
Hannity and Levin are hacks. So is Olbermann. It is not political to be disgusted by senseless talking heads.
They do not know about the history of Iran. It is ugly. The best thing to do in this situation is to do what Obama has been doing.
Mark Levin doesn’t know nearly as much as he implies. I’m an attorney just like he is. I took Constitutional Law as well. He is giving a very BIASED view-point to non-attorneys and selling it as if the biggest Constitutional questions we are presented with are not far more nuanced and intricate.
In any event, the main point I was making was about this Iran situation. Jack-offs like Jay Feeley are hurting the pro-Western protesters, not helping them. If you care about national security, you want this regime to be overthrown. Obama speaking more forcefully would provide more fodder to the “absurd” allegations that the US and other Western nations, but more specifically, the CIA is behind this.
Open up a history book and don’t listen to Olbermann, Chris Matthews, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin or Sean Hannity for insight on an issue they don’t know anything about.
This is history, not politics. So much is at stake. What did Feeley accomplish by saying “Chavez, North Korea”? You don’t have to support Obama but you also certainly shouldn’t run around opposing everything he does just for the sake of it, particularly when there are men and women dying on the streets of Iran for freedom.
I suggest “Guests of the Ayatollah”. I listened to the book on tape on a road trip to rural Ohio (11 hours straight). Goes into details about the overthrow of the Shah’s regime and Khamenei’s rise to power.
The protesters are chanting “Death to Dictator” right now. These are the bad guys Bush called part of the “Axis of Evil”. Singing “Bomb Iran” is not the stance we should take.
Yes, Dems and Repubs use every single issue to score political points. But this is not a joke. Neda and many other like her are sacrificing their lives for freedom. If you are going to oppose Obama’s plan to stay out of the Iranian issue, use historical reasons why. “Chavez, North Korea”? Feeley, you are so damn ignorant!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRAkVwHnTKc
What’s next ?? A Pat Tillman post so we can argue about that again??
I still say he is an American hero…. BTW
No matter what is posted on any site regarding politics is going to start an argument.
By the way, funny story. The brutal theocratic government in Iran possibly being overthrown by a popular revoluation of the people of Iran was getting 24-7 coverage by CNN.
CNN went to commercial break, and per usual, I started browsing MSNBC and Fox News during the break for more Iran-related news. Fox News had a 20-minute, tounge-in-cheek segment with RICHARD SIMMONS about becoming “fat czar” (mocking the appointment of “czars” to oversee and report back to the government on a number of issues).
So forgive me if I can’t stand Fox News for doing joke segments on Richard Simmons while Iran’s Clerical regime very well may be in the process of being overthrown by a popular rebellion.
I think we can call Bassett’s “Operation: Keep Readers Interested in the Site because July Sucks for Football” a complete success.
That reverse psychology got ALL of you!!!
…and I guess it got me too, since I’m responding…
Son of a….
Harvlis…
Politics of hate? Who says I hate the man?
And why yes, Obama did sign the leglislation to get us out the the financial mess. However, I am one of the people who think that the bill was unnecessary, and far too expensive. In the end, I believe that it will have far more negative effects than positive ones.
And yes, Obama did step into a nightmare. However, he himself continues to claim that we must look forward and not backward, something which you don’t seem to believe in. Additionally, Obama won the election by promising that he can fix the nightmare. If he can’t then he has to go. I totally agree that Bush got us into this mess, but the country needs to rebound, and we can’t go easy on Obama just because the mess is large. People must challenge their government.
I don’t see how these ideas are the “politics of hate.”
igs said “So Bent, are you telling me that our fan of both the UK and the USA?”
I don’t really understand the question, but I love America and hate England, but continue to live here mainly because of my family. Hopefully that covers what you were getting at.
Sampetra:
I have no problem with substantive disagreements with Obama.
To reiterate my point, I don’t think Hannity, Levin, Limbaugh or any of the whacky left-wingers for that matter are the proper sources of dignified news coverage. I’d say with great confidence that MSNBC and Fox News are entertaining, but make a mockery out of what is supposed to be a “news” channel.
So I don’t care if Jay Feeley is a Republican or has solid conservative principles in his mind. He is appearing on SEAN HANNITY though for the love of God! Olbermann, Hannity, O’Reilly … these guys spew the politics of hate. Doesn’t matter what side you are on.
I have no problem with watching these shows, either. I enjoy watching and listening to Hannity and Levin, and Olbermann as well, and even O’Reilly. But they do all spew vitriol and I’m not sure its cool for an athlete with a diverse fanbase to appear on these shows.
DSmizzle says:
“So I don’t care if Jay Feeley is a Republican or has solid conservative principles in his mind.”
after saying:
“Jay Feeley is a complete and utter ignorant buffoon.”
“Jack-offs like Jay Feeley[...]”
“Feeley, shut your ignorant mouth … I hope you bust a hammy and end your career.”
Sampetra:
The issue of Iran and the brutal crackdown on its protesters (RIP Neda and all the other people who have died fighting for freedom in Iran against the dictatorship) cannot be boiled down to a Hannity-esque talking point.
So while its cute and all that Hannity figures out a way to oppose Obama on every single issue under the sun, I feel insulted as a JETS fan that a player on my beloved team would cavalierly appear on a propogandist’s show and talk about such a monumentally important issue in such BS generalist terms.
Jay Feeley, do you support the people of Iran? Do you think it makes sense for the US to actively engage in Iranian politics based on the history of US-Iran relations? Will this help or HURT the protesters on the street? I don’t want to hear “Chavez, North Korea”, Jay. People are dying on the streets.
And I don’t want to hear anyone openly wish for a man to get injured. It’s low.
And no, I don’t care what Feeley believes. But hard-liner political stances make people angry. Jay Feeley needs to take the heat if he is going to dish it.
I don’t need to hear a journey-man, failed NFL kicker spew hatred and vitriol along with Sean Hannity. Especially so on such a monumentally important issue as the Iran election protests, which have boiled over into a potential overthrow of the Clerical Regime (part of the infamous “Axis of Evil”). Jay Feeley, if you hate Obama, fine. But stop trying to derail the protests in Iran.
Any more substantial US involvement above and beyond sanctions and other similar measures, are widely regarded as being things that can only HURT the Iranian people, NOT help them at this point. All they need is to be able to accuse the “CIA, CIA, CIA” of being behind the protests.
This is far too delicate an issue for Jay Feeley to intelligently talk about without scouring history books.
So, you still wish upon the man physical injury because you don’t agree with him politically?
Sampetra,
The politics of hate occurs when, instead of working together to get the country back on its feet, it becomes more important for certain people to constantly bash Obama. To deny that this happens, on a daily basis, would be a joke.
I do not want to look back, in any way. When people bash Obama, I simply point out that he did nothing to cause this mess.
You have the right to your opinion, as to whether Obama’s programs will be beneficial or not. He has said that this is new ground and some things will work and some won’t. At least he is pro-active and doing whatever he can to right the ship. He is addressing important issues, such as health care, that have not been addressed in a very long time. Will his plan cost alot, of course but, he has explained that he has a way to pay for it. The people who’s politics are that of hate, will bash him, regardless of his plan. It is frightening and sad but, they would rather have him fail, and continue to pay thousands per year for healthcare, than have him succeed.
You don’t have to challenge Obama on everything he ever does. That would be the politics of hate.
First off, I’m not “bashing” Obama. Second off, I don’t challenge him on everything he does.
However, he will be defined for his economic recovery plans, and I feel as though his ideas are an immense failure. Billions have disappeared into the void of the Chrysler and GM bankruptcies, and the 2 trillion misappropriated by the recovery committee is vastly troublesome.
I might argue that defending Obama on everything, despite the fact that he has already made critical errors, are the real politics of hate. You are blinding yourself.
harlis and dsmizzle are obviously drinking the obama kool aid. it was okay wen everybody in the media bashed bush saying he was “dumb” or an idiot but when fox news “questions” obama they say there bashing him. i dare you guys to listen to rush limbaugh you mite actualy learn something, but no you have never listend to him live on the radio your just going to spit out whatever you have heard from msnbc or every other news outlet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJSVPAx8xc
No politics but you link us to the liberal hag Wonkette? At least Feely has a brain.
DSmizzle is the only person worth listening to in this post.
Of course he is Joe, he only wanted to see Jay Feely suffer a career ending injury because of a difference of opinion.
Very admirable of him.
Thank you Joe B.
Guys, this isn’t about politics. Its about Iran right now. The model is the way George Bush (the father) handled the protests for freedom in the crumbling Soviet satellites. As much as he wanted to intervene, doing so would have only made matters much worse for the demonstrators. Soviet tanks would have rolled in shortly after America tried to involve itself, and we wouldn’t have responded militarily, leading to only a nightmare for the protesters. It is already an unspeakable nightmare for the Iranians, and we do NOT want to make things worse for them as they struggle for freedom. If it would help, then OF COURSE Obama should be more assertive!
We are right now patiently waiting to see if the Revolutionary Guard or the Police will turn sides and join the fight against the tyrannical Clerical rule in Iran. The brutal Basiji are going to go down with this theocratic ship, no matter what. But the Revolutionary Guard and Police may very well flip on Khamenei (if you don’t know what the Revolutionary Guard and Basiji are, you probably should read up on it a bit before commenting).
To the extent that Obama can do anything, he likely did more in a few short months than all presidents dating back to Carter did combined: his Cairo speech and his “New Year’s” greeting to the Iranian people made claims of America being the evil enemy simply unpalatable to the Iranian people when they began questioning their government. Believe me, if John “Bomb Bomb Iran” were in power right now, Khamenei would be very easily able to quiet the protesters with anti-American rhetoric, and rally them around a common enemy.
To be honest, DSmizzle, you are deserving of no praise.
Im not sure exactly when this thread suddenly turned into your personal soapbox, but at least do me the favor of taking back your Jay Feely comment.
He is a member of our Jets organization, he gets up to work and train so that he may best serve the team and its fans. It’s your job as a fan to support him. All you have done is spew hatred toward him, calling him hurtful names and wishing upon him physical harm.
It’s disgusting. Get off your soapbox and remember that on this site, the Jets come first. If you want to continue to talk about Iran, fine, but its time to take your rhetoric elsewhere.
Harvlis, i wouldn’t say Obama is a Muslim but he is turning this country into a socialist one. How do you not see that?? You sit there and say everyone is just bashing Obama and how wrong it is but did you ever take up for Bush when people were saying even worse things than they are about Obama?? You bashed bush in your comments so you are no better. And I take that thing about going to the bar and getting shot has something to do with Oklahomans being dumb gun totting rednecks?? Don’t worry harvlis, I watched plenty of games at the bars and I have never once had anyone say anything to me about being a jets fan except for ‘how did that happen’. There are actually quite a bit of jets fans down here. More than I thought there would be anyway. And i think you made a misprint, let me fix it for you: The problems that the Democratic Congress left us with were horrendous. There, that looks better.
Wow, is this the Daily Kos or Huffington Post? DSmizzle, I like the passion about Iran, but crediting Obama for the bravery of the Iranian protesters in the face of the tyrannical theocratic regime and their Basaji brown shirts is a little much. Did you ever consider that perhaps Obama’s policy of Iranian appeasement emboldened Khamenei to declare a winner of the election before the votes were counted? And, while John McCain isn’t President, the other bogeyman, Israel, is now headed by Bibi Netanyahu, who has basically said that Israel will “Bomb, Bomb, Iran” before it gets nuclear weapons, and he’s not joking. In short, I think you’re trivializing the bravery of the Iranian protesters.
Maybe the protesters are wondering why a repressive regime, with great oil wealth, continues to fail to address domestic concerns while pursuing a foreign policy that puts Iran on an inevitable collision course with the West, in general, and Israel, in particular. Maybe they saw how the US finally took out their hated enemy, Saddam Hussein, and have treated the ****e majority with dignity and respect. Maybe they see the Iraqi Shia, who have never been on a par with Iranian Shia, voting and enjoying a level of freedom and democracy that they as Iranians have never experienced. Maybe, when the history books are finally written, the Iraq War and the resulting freedom for Iraqi’s Shia majority will be credited as the precipitating cause for the downfall Iran’s tyrannical theocratic regime and George W. Bush, not Obama, will get the credit. (Now, I’m just messing with you, DSmizzle, lighten up).
Okay, I don’t wish Jay Feeley harm. I do think his attitude and ignorance is dangerous, however.
If he wants to use his celebrity (and he is a JETS player, an organization to which I pay good money), then I am going to call him ignorant and an idiot when I think he sounds like one.
If you don’t like it, then fine. Its not as if I’m posting on TJB under unrelated topics. Jay Feeley went onto Fox News and said some incoherent garbage that made very little sense, and spoke about a very important issue in a completely oblivious manner.
I commented on his appearance on Fox. I think I may know a bit more about this issue than Mr. Feeley. I won’t apologize for that and being outraged at his ignorance.
SackDance, maybe Iraq is an influence. I’ve thought about that. I don’t think it can be brushed off entirely, although the protesters themselves have made allusions to Mousavi being “our Obama”, and have compared Mousavi’s wife to Michelle Obama (I don’t quite see it, ha). I think we have to listen to the protesters themselves on this issue (whether the US invading their neighboring country inspired them or whether Obama’s attempts to reopen a diplomatic dialogue was more of an inspiration).
I do not think diplomacy is always the answer. However, in this case, it seems as though diplomacy has the Clerical regime in Iran on the brink far more than military posturing ever did.
I’m not a liberal, but I hate ignorance. I don’t think hoping that Obama takes the same path as the 1st George Bush did with regard to the Soviet Satellites is a “liberal” or “conservative” position. I think any opposition to the way Obama has handled things right now is purely political.
DSmizzle: “I think any opposition to the way Obama has handled things right now is purely political.”
Surely you can’t really believe that? It’s thoughts like that lead to dictatorships in the first place. You should question everything that your government does, at all times. If you find that you agree with it, fine, otherwise, act. The people in Iran certainly are.
DSmizzle,
I really don’t think that the protesters have any single source of inspiration. If the theocracy falls, the causes will be the subject of history books for centuries. I think Obama might be a more indirect cause than you do, but at this point it’s all speculation.
Bent,
Nope. I was trying to get you to admit to dual fandom. But if you hate the entire UK, than I guess I have no grounds.
I can only assume that once the season starts, this controversy will disappear…
However, it’s up to Feely to make EVERY kick pure and true — or else we’ll be back fighting over the deep-seeded meanings of his “missing LEFT” or his “missing RIGHT”!!
Then, everyone can go back and have at it… :-)
igs would know. He’s the president of the dual fandom league.
Wow, Joe B, I woulda thought you dropped off from talking to me. Bue here you raise your very ugly head to take another shot at me. But that’s okay. You’re right Joe B. And I’m proud of my dual fandom. I play by my own rules. And since I have more than a junior high school education, I’m comfortable rolling with them. ;-)
I’m staying out of this thread so that my ultra liberal politics won’t be exposed.
Oops.
Dan,
Bush had eight years. He deserves to be bashed. He had no redeeming qualities. He was a moron. He left this country in the toilet. Iraq was his baby. The Democratic Congress was only for the last two years of his administration and, by then, most of the damage was done. Whatever good Congress could have done was threatened by a Bush veto. They had to wait for a Democtatic President, to try to get anything done. Bush will go down as one of the worst presidents in history.
As for my crack about the bar. I have to apologize, it was Tennessee that just passed a bill to allow guns in bars.
bent-
i hope you werent offended by my thinking that we were all yanks. i was merely offering up a small platitude in an attempt to head off a recapitulation of the bush years. it obviously didnt work.
i’m amazed that you think americans are more knowledgeable than brits when it comes to politics. that certainly isnt my experience, but you would know better than i do.
on this side of the pond, we rarely suffer from incurable civility. that’s for sure.
benjam – no, don’t worry, I wasn’t offended at all, it just amused me that you addressed that comment to one of the few people it didn’t apply to!
It’s interesting to compare the two, I guess. It seems like a greater proportion of Americans take an interest in politics and actually know details about policies etc (although I guess in some instances you may not consider that as demonstrating knowledge if it led them to a political conclusion you disagreed with). The greater percentage of English people take no interest in politics whatsoever and then just vote based on who the newspapers tell them to.
Maybe that’s just me being cynical though.