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		<title>By: Joe Caporoso</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/01/link-running-backs-rankings/comment-page-1/#comment-164487</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Caporoso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at the Jets tight ends in 2009

http://turnonthejets.com/2009/07/01/jets-positional-analysis-tight-ends/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at the Jets tight ends in 2009</p>
<p><a href="http://turnonthejets.com/2009/07/01/jets-positional-analysis-tight-ends/" rel="nofollow">http://turnonthejets.com/2009/07/01/jets-positional-analysis-tight-ends/</a></p>
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		<title>By: igs</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/01/link-running-backs-rankings/comment-page-1/#comment-164483</link>
		<dc:creator>igs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH, btw, the reason I brought up college is that you can see in college what kind of talent a player has regardless of his situation. Someone brought up the point of Reggie Bush, and that&#039;s a good example because what made Bush so valuable was the kind of back he projected to be, which is a Marshall Faulk, which is very rare in the NFL.  And all that talent is still there. But his situation is what changed in the NFL. He needs to be in a team like the &#039;99 Rams to see the height of his potential. 

So if you see a back in college you can talk to a higher degree about raw talent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH, btw, the reason I brought up college is that you can see in college what kind of talent a player has regardless of his situation. Someone brought up the point of Reggie Bush, and that&#8217;s a good example because what made Bush so valuable was the kind of back he projected to be, which is a Marshall Faulk, which is very rare in the NFL.  And all that talent is still there. But his situation is what changed in the NFL. He needs to be in a team like the &#8216;99 Rams to see the height of his potential. </p>
<p>So if you see a back in college you can talk to a higher degree about raw talent.</p>
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		<title>By: igs</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/01/link-running-backs-rankings/comment-page-1/#comment-164481</link>
		<dc:creator>igs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe that anyone would even entertain the argument. But hey, it seems like a few guys here just don&#039;t know how to make a sensible, objective observation. And feel the need to blow it out into an argument. I&#039;ll simply say again that anyone that watches all 3 backs play can clearly see the difference in speed, lateral ability, and power. And anyone that reads the stat lines can see that TJ has stayed on the field much longer and has not had a major injury. ANd that&#039;s to his credit. But to say he&#039;s more talented than McGahee or Brown is a joke. He has ben more durable.

Jason,

My point about the injury is to say that you just have to take that into account. Guys get hurt so you cant say TJ is better simply because he&#039;s had more yards in a 3 year span. There&#039;s so many different situations for RBs that it&#039;s almost impossible to say. What line? What blocking scheme? How many other good backs on the team? What kind of back is he? etc, etc. But the closest you can get to fair is to compare Brown&#039;s 4 seasons in the NFL to TJ&#039;s 1st four seasons. Even with a major injury it&#039;s beyond comparison. TJ&#039;s first year he put up 373 yard to Brown&#039;s 900 something. Should I go on?

StvDoe,

When you clarified my point, you dumbed it down. And don&#039;t ask me aboug my grammar or spelling errors or anything. It&#039;s a blog post. I don&#039;t want to talk about English and it offends me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe that anyone would even entertain the argument. But hey, it seems like a few guys here just don&#8217;t know how to make a sensible, objective observation. And feel the need to blow it out into an argument. I&#8217;ll simply say again that anyone that watches all 3 backs play can clearly see the difference in speed, lateral ability, and power. And anyone that reads the stat lines can see that TJ has stayed on the field much longer and has not had a major injury. ANd that&#8217;s to his credit. But to say he&#8217;s more talented than McGahee or Brown is a joke. He has ben more durable.</p>
<p>Jason,</p>
<p>My point about the injury is to say that you just have to take that into account. Guys get hurt so you cant say TJ is better simply because he&#8217;s had more yards in a 3 year span. There&#8217;s so many different situations for RBs that it&#8217;s almost impossible to say. What line? What blocking scheme? How many other good backs on the team? What kind of back is he? etc, etc. But the closest you can get to fair is to compare Brown&#8217;s 4 seasons in the NFL to TJ&#8217;s 1st four seasons. Even with a major injury it&#8217;s beyond comparison. TJ&#8217;s first year he put up 373 yard to Brown&#8217;s 900 something. Should I go on?</p>
<p>StvDoe,</p>
<p>When you clarified my point, you dumbed it down. And don&#8217;t ask me aboug my grammar or spelling errors or anything. It&#8217;s a blog post. I don&#8217;t want to talk about English and it offends me.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Caporoso</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/01/link-running-backs-rankings/comment-page-1/#comment-164480</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Caporoso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Jets offense is filled with question marks and a need for certain players to raise their game to the next level 

http://turnonthejets.com/2009/07/01/jets-2009-offense-the-elephant-in-the-room/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Jets offense is filled with question marks and a need for certain players to raise their game to the next level </p>
<p><a href="http://turnonthejets.com/2009/07/01/jets-2009-offense-the-elephant-in-the-room/" rel="nofollow">http://turnonthejets.com/2009/07/01/jets-2009-offense-the-elephant-in-the-room/</a></p>
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		<title>By: MEL31602</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/01/link-running-backs-rankings/comment-page-1/#comment-164476</link>
		<dc:creator>MEL31602</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you guys see that survey on ESPN.com that ranks  the Jets as the 102rd worst franchise in pro sports (out of 122 teams). Bassett actually is interviewed for the article and basically implies it&#039;s because of the crappy stadium but with coaching and ownership ranked so high I&#039;m surprised we ended up so far down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you guys see that survey on ESPN.com that ranks  the Jets as the 102rd worst franchise in pro sports (out of 122 teams). Bassett actually is interviewed for the article and basically implies it&#8217;s because of the crappy stadium but with coaching and ownership ranked so high I&#8217;m surprised we ended up so far down.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sack,

The reason why I dont think the Jets would be as effective with Brown is because he cant handle a high workload.  I think there our running game would take a step down if we had to use Leon for 200 carries, because Brown can only handle 200 carries a season.  I think if you try to run him more than that you end up with him missing 2-3 games which would mean Leon as the number 1 option.  Like I said above I think Brown and Jones are similar in talent.  Brown is a name because of where he was drafted and Jones is a name because of his days in Chicago where he was in a feud with Cedric Benson.  Neither is great by any means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sack,</p>
<p>The reason why I dont think the Jets would be as effective with Brown is because he cant handle a high workload.  I think there our running game would take a step down if we had to use Leon for 200 carries, because Brown can only handle 200 carries a season.  I think if you try to run him more than that you end up with him missing 2-3 games which would mean Leon as the number 1 option.  Like I said above I think Brown and Jones are similar in talent.  Brown is a name because of where he was drafted and Jones is a name because of his days in Chicago where he was in a feud with Cedric Benson.  Neither is great by any means.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/01/link-running-backs-rankings/comment-page-1/#comment-164462</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anything comparison b/t the RBs for the Jets and Miami needs to take into account the O-lines.  The Jets O-line is much better, and TJ&#039;s work (or lack of success) behind a weak O-line has shown that he lacks some of the burst and power that the Miami backs have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anything comparison b/t the RBs for the Jets and Miami needs to take into account the O-lines.  The Jets O-line is much better, and TJ&#8217;s work (or lack of success) behind a weak O-line has shown that he lacks some of the burst and power that the Miami backs have.</p>
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		<title>By: StvDoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>StvDoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>igs,

I didn&#039;t &quot;dumb down&quot; your point, I merely explained it. He thought you meant money, I said you meant draft picks.

But your enmity for me twisted it in your head to an insult.  

I did comment on your flagellation of a moribund equine, but that&#039;s not an insult, merely an observation.

BTW, I didn&#039;t correct your grammar, I questioned your spelling. I just wondered why you&#039;d make such a choice. (I assumed it was purposeful, not a mistake.) 

And like it or not, when one chooses to &quot;put pen to paper&quot;, one&#039;s writing, as well as content, is judged by those who read it. I try not to make errors in spelling and grammar, but I&#039;m sure I fail frequently. (I tend to write run-on sentences, among other failings.)

I tend to assume that everyone takes pride not only in what they write, but in how they write it. Perhaps that is a reflection of my advanced years, and such things are not valued by those younger than I am.

Bent,

I engaged in no name calling, but questioned why I was being called names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>igs,</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t &#8220;dumb down&#8221; your point, I merely explained it. He thought you meant money, I said you meant draft picks.</p>
<p>But your enmity for me twisted it in your head to an insult.  </p>
<p>I did comment on your flagellation of a moribund equine, but that&#8217;s not an insult, merely an observation.</p>
<p>BTW, I didn&#8217;t correct your grammar, I questioned your spelling. I just wondered why you&#8217;d make such a choice. (I assumed it was purposeful, not a mistake.) </p>
<p>And like it or not, when one chooses to &#8220;put pen to paper&#8221;, one&#8217;s writing, as well as content, is judged by those who read it. I try not to make errors in spelling and grammar, but I&#8217;m sure I fail frequently. (I tend to write run-on sentences, among other failings.)</p>
<p>I tend to assume that everyone takes pride not only in what they write, but in how they write it. Perhaps that is a reflection of my advanced years, and such things are not valued by those younger than I am.</p>
<p>Bent,</p>
<p>I engaged in no name calling, but questioned why I was being called names.</p>
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		<title>By: SackDance99</title>
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		<dc:creator>SackDance99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fwiw, I think it&#039;s very hard to judge how RBs would do if placed in the exact same situation.  From what I&#039;ve seen, I think Ronnie Brown is a better RB than Jones.  I know Jones has more yards, but Ronnie Brown was having an exceptional season on a poor Dolphins team before his injury in 2007.  The Jets had an equally poor team, but Jones was not anywhere near as good as Brown.  Brown is only 27, has a lifetime 4.4 YPA and has averaged around 34 receptions a season at 8.4 YPR (both are better than TJ&#039;s career and Jets numbers).  He also ran the &quot;Wildcat&quot; to perfection.  IMO, he&#039;s more versatile and more of a second-level threat, while able to get tough yards (he is 6-0, 233).  I believe behind the Jets line he would be a superior RB to TJ and I&#039;d gladly trade TJ for Brown, which is my personal barometer of who is better.

As for McGahee, I think TJ is better.  TJ&#039;s numbers are better and I even think TJ is a better second-level threat.  I might prefer McGahee when it&#039;s 4th and inches, but I think even at his age Jones is better.

As for the rankings, I thought the Dolphins and Ravens got more out of their RB corps than the Jets did last season, so my comment was more an indictment of Mangini than a shot at the quality of the Jets backfield, which is, IMO, top 5 in talent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fwiw, I think it&#8217;s very hard to judge how RBs would do if placed in the exact same situation.  From what I&#8217;ve seen, I think Ronnie Brown is a better RB than Jones.  I know Jones has more yards, but Ronnie Brown was having an exceptional season on a poor Dolphins team before his injury in 2007.  The Jets had an equally poor team, but Jones was not anywhere near as good as Brown.  Brown is only 27, has a lifetime 4.4 YPA and has averaged around 34 receptions a season at 8.4 YPR (both are better than TJ&#8217;s career and Jets numbers).  He also ran the &#8220;Wildcat&#8221; to perfection.  IMO, he&#8217;s more versatile and more of a second-level threat, while able to get tough yards (he is 6-0, 233).  I believe behind the Jets line he would be a superior RB to TJ and I&#8217;d gladly trade TJ for Brown, which is my personal barometer of who is better.</p>
<p>As for McGahee, I think TJ is better.  TJ&#8217;s numbers are better and I even think TJ is a better second-level threat.  I might prefer McGahee when it&#8217;s 4th and inches, but I think even at his age Jones is better.</p>
<p>As for the rankings, I thought the Dolphins and Ravens got more out of their RB corps than the Jets did last season, so my comment was more an indictment of Mangini than a shot at the quality of the Jets backfield, which is, IMO, top 5 in talent.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>College has almost no correlation to the pros.  Reggie Bush was a great college player.  He has more tools than Ronnie Brown in every sense of the game. Id rather have Ronnie Brown on my team any day of the week.  

Im not sure I get your injury argument.  Brown got hurt in 2007, not 2005.  Jones has rushed for something like 1500 more yards than Brown from 2005-2008, not 1000 more since 2004.  Even if you make a projection that he would have kept up his 2007 pace, Jones still would have rushed for more yards by a good amount.  I understand Jones has been on better teams than Brown, but Brown isnt lighting the league on fire either.  I have never once seen him play and said &quot;if he was only on a good team he would be great&quot; and usually RB is one position where guys stand out even on a bad team.  He never has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>College has almost no correlation to the pros.  Reggie Bush was a great college player.  He has more tools than Ronnie Brown in every sense of the game. Id rather have Ronnie Brown on my team any day of the week.  </p>
<p>Im not sure I get your injury argument.  Brown got hurt in 2007, not 2005.  Jones has rushed for something like 1500 more yards than Brown from 2005-2008, not 1000 more since 2004.  Even if you make a projection that he would have kept up his 2007 pace, Jones still would have rushed for more yards by a good amount.  I understand Jones has been on better teams than Brown, but Brown isnt lighting the league on fire either.  I have never once seen him play and said &#8220;if he was only on a good team he would be great&#8221; and usually RB is one position where guys stand out even on a bad team.  He never has.</p>
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