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	<title>Comments on: Calvin Pace Trying to Explain</title>
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		<title>By: gsteigs</title>
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		<dc:creator>gsteigs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i FINALLY  agree w fonzie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i FINALLY  agree w fonzie</p>
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		<title>By: fonzie</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/03/calvin-pace-trying-to-explain/comment-page-1/#comment-164707</link>
		<dc:creator>fonzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all the movement, all the fronts and all the packages and agressiveness expected by our attacking D, I don&#039;t see how Ryan can&#039;t make up (disguise) the difference calvin makes in 4 games. 

If our D is soo dependent on ONE (1) guy, then we better question our overall expectations!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all the movement, all the fronts and all the packages and agressiveness expected by our attacking D, I don&#8217;t see how Ryan can&#8217;t make up (disguise) the difference calvin makes in 4 games. </p>
<p>If our D is soo dependent on ONE (1) guy, then we better question our overall expectations!!!</p>
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		<title>By: the NYC Parking Expert</title>
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		<dc:creator>the NYC Parking Expert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just potentially hurts us so damn much. Would be great if someone can step up but he&#039;s such a key, difficult player to replace on the D. Sucks to lose any starter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just potentially hurts us so damn much. Would be great if someone can step up but he&#8217;s such a key, difficult player to replace on the D. Sucks to lose any starter.</p>
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		<title>By: Bent</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/03/calvin-pace-trying-to-explain/comment-page-1/#comment-164700</link>
		<dc:creator>Bent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James - I said yesterday that I never expected Gholston to be ready to start at the beginning of what should have been his rookie season (because he came out early, but last year was a bit of a waste for him anyway).  I hoped to see him flash now and again over the first half of the season and perhaps contribute over the second half.

So, in essence, I am with you, although I wouldn&#039;t view it as &quot;falling on his face&quot; if he failed to win the starting job on opening day.  I&#039;m sure the media and many fans will see it that way though, so it will be interesting to see how he responds if we&#039;re right.

As to who fills the void, the reps Pace will have to be shared as follows, but who will be the &quot;starter&quot; is anyone&#039;s guess.  Someone unexpected will need to step up but at least they have options:

1. Direct replacement: Gholston, Murrell, Westerman

2. 4-man front with Ellis and BT at DE and Douglas at DT: Trusnik, Cummings, Renkart, Izzo as the 3rd LB (the same personnel could probably run the 46 package)

3. Ellis slides over to rush LB as was tried in 2007 and they add a guy to the line: DeVito, Green, Pouha (again, the same personnel could probably run the 46 package)

4. Running out of a package with 5 DBs and bringing an extra safety into the box: Smith, Fitzhugh, Cook, Lowery, Strickland.

Heck, if we run all these, we won&#039;t even notice Pace is gone.

Or...maybe they sign a veteran stand-in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James &#8211; I said yesterday that I never expected Gholston to be ready to start at the beginning of what should have been his rookie season (because he came out early, but last year was a bit of a waste for him anyway).  I hoped to see him flash now and again over the first half of the season and perhaps contribute over the second half.</p>
<p>So, in essence, I am with you, although I wouldn&#8217;t view it as &#8220;falling on his face&#8221; if he failed to win the starting job on opening day.  I&#8217;m sure the media and many fans will see it that way though, so it will be interesting to see how he responds if we&#8217;re right.</p>
<p>As to who fills the void, the reps Pace will have to be shared as follows, but who will be the &#8220;starter&#8221; is anyone&#8217;s guess.  Someone unexpected will need to step up but at least they have options:</p>
<p>1. Direct replacement: Gholston, Murrell, Westerman</p>
<p>2. 4-man front with Ellis and BT at DE and Douglas at DT: Trusnik, Cummings, Renkart, Izzo as the 3rd LB (the same personnel could probably run the 46 package)</p>
<p>3. Ellis slides over to rush LB as was tried in 2007 and they add a guy to the line: DeVito, Green, Pouha (again, the same personnel could probably run the 46 package)</p>
<p>4. Running out of a package with 5 DBs and bringing an extra safety into the box: Smith, Fitzhugh, Cook, Lowery, Strickland.</p>
<p>Heck, if we run all these, we won&#8217;t even notice Pace is gone.</p>
<p>Or&#8230;maybe they sign a veteran stand-in.</p>
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		<title>By: JustAGreenGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustAGreenGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn you Pace!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn you Pace!</p>
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		<title>By: James in TN</title>
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		<dc:creator>James in TN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got VG falling on his face and Someone else emerging to fill the void, any takers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got VG falling on his face and Someone else emerging to fill the void, any takers?</p>
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		<title>By: JetOrange</title>
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		<dc:creator>JetOrange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m gald I sent up the &quot;Bent Signal&quot;
An outstanding response  as usual, Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m gald I sent up the &#8220;Bent Signal&#8221;<br />
An outstanding response  as usual, Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Bent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JetOrange - His agent is Pat Dye, who I don&#039;t know a lot about.  (Like referees, that&#039;s a good thing.)

The contractual terms behind a roster bonus are pretty much set in stone - if you&#039;re on the roster at the relevant date, you&#039;re entitled to that money.  I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any way for guaranteed money to be recovered, which is why Mike Vick had a big cap hit in 2008.  Both the Falcons and Giants (re: Plax) tried to recover roster bonuses last year, but a federal judge ruled that this contravened the CBA.  

The only way I can see there being a saving is if any of the sums reported as &quot;guaranteed&quot; were actually contigent on something like this not happening, but I doubt it.  It is possible that there are incentives that he will miss out on though, so it may mean a saving overall when compared to the maximum value of his contract.

I understand Jason has full details of the contract, so he may be able to give you a more specific response, but I don&#039;t think this will affect the cap, other to reduce it by than the proportion of his base salary that won&#039;t now be paid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JetOrange &#8211; His agent is Pat Dye, who I don&#8217;t know a lot about.  (Like referees, that&#8217;s a good thing.)</p>
<p>The contractual terms behind a roster bonus are pretty much set in stone &#8211; if you&#8217;re on the roster at the relevant date, you&#8217;re entitled to that money.  I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any way for guaranteed money to be recovered, which is why Mike Vick had a big cap hit in 2008.  Both the Falcons and Giants (re: Plax) tried to recover roster bonuses last year, but a federal judge ruled that this contravened the CBA.  </p>
<p>The only way I can see there being a saving is if any of the sums reported as &#8220;guaranteed&#8221; were actually contigent on something like this not happening, but I doubt it.  It is possible that there are incentives that he will miss out on though, so it may mean a saving overall when compared to the maximum value of his contract.</p>
<p>I understand Jason has full details of the contract, so he may be able to give you a more specific response, but I don&#8217;t think this will affect the cap, other to reduce it by than the proportion of his base salary that won&#8217;t now be paid.</p>
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		<title>By: JetOrange</title>
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		<dc:creator>JetOrange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bent:

I feel like I am sending up the Bat Signal... there is only one man , Actually two (Jason) that can answer this question. We know that  Calvins primary compensation at this time is the Roster Bonus that he has already received. Pace will lose 4 game checks. Do the Jets have any recourse to claim a Pro Rata share of the Bonus that they have already paid Mr. Pace ? And if they reclaim is there any positive implications to the cap ?
And just as important , would they ? Do we know who Calvins agent is ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bent:</p>
<p>I feel like I am sending up the Bat Signal&#8230; there is only one man , Actually two (Jason) that can answer this question. We know that  Calvins primary compensation at this time is the Roster Bonus that he has already received. Pace will lose 4 game checks. Do the Jets have any recourse to claim a Pro Rata share of the Bonus that they have already paid Mr. Pace ? And if they reclaim is there any positive implications to the cap ?<br />
And just as important , would they ? Do we know who Calvins agent is ?</p>
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		<title>By: miketaliaferro</title>
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		<dc:creator>miketaliaferro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In the future, I will be more proactive in knowing what substances are banned and EXACTLY what is in everything I put into my body.&quot;

Ummm, that concept kicked in the moment he signed the mega-stupid contract...which of his agents or FO people forgot to tell Calvin that?

And, yes, this IS VG&#039;s big opportunity. Let&#039;s see if he flops, or stakes a claim to Calvin&#039;s job...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In the future, I will be more proactive in knowing what substances are banned and EXACTLY what is in everything I put into my body.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ummm, that concept kicked in the moment he signed the mega-stupid contract&#8230;which of his agents or FO people forgot to tell Calvin that?</p>
<p>And, yes, this IS VG&#8217;s big opportunity. Let&#8217;s see if he flops, or stakes a claim to Calvin&#8217;s job&#8230;</p>
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