Comments on: In Which I Trash Lazy Hot Seat Conjecture from Mike Florio http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/06/in-which-i-trash-lazy-hot-seat-conjecture-from-mike-florio/ Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:26:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: rudy http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/06/in-which-i-trash-lazy-hot-seat-conjecture-from-mike-florio/#comment-165068 rudy Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:50:11 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/06/in-which-i-trash-lazy-hot-seat-writing-by-mike-florio/#comment-165068 The article about Tannenbaum is right on. Tannenbaum is a bean counter not a talent evaluator. Give the man credit for Leon Washington and that is it. Mangold was the highest rated center in years and most NFL teams never draft a center in the first round. There were other outstanding talent at pick 21. Should I remind Jet fans of all the picks that haven't worked out or how about the FA signings. Most on this message board don't even have a clue about who Mr. T signed as free agents. I would rather not embarrass all of the lousy FA signings and the bottom line with Faneca was the money and he is on the decline. Ferguson is average and has not made the impact that was expected for the 4th player taken in the draft. How many players are we going to allow to walk away without compensation such as Coles, Pennington and Favre. How many picks can you give away and expect to build a winning football program. Shonn Greene and Sanchez are laughable picks. Greene can't block or pass catch and is one dimensional and is not elusive and we give away 3 draft picks for a muscle bound RB. Sanchez is a complete mystery to me. This guy is lucky if he stands at 6' 1" and he has a weak arm. Weak arm QB's don't make it at the Meadowlands. Stiff winds are prevalent all year long and I don't care what kind of footwork this guy has for if I want to see someone dance like Fred Astaire I wouldn't bother going to the games. I have been a Jet season ticket holder for over 40 years and have witnessed terrible football over the years and the only glimmer of hope that we have had in the last 25 years was Leon Hess hiring Bill Parcells. Woody has proven that his ego is too big to let a proven GM or HC get in the way of his ego and this team is ready for a crash landing in 2009 and 2010. Failure will be the only motivating factor at the end of the 2010 season for Woody to hire a proven GM and HC as the first year of the PSL ripoff will be in play and fans will be n a lynch mob mentality. Let me take that back as most of the diehard loyal Jet season ticket fans have been priced out of the market and therefore the new breed of fans will only be angry because they thought that their PSL's would appreciate and couldn't give a rats arss about the team. The problem with most Jet fans is that they can not be honest with themselves and recognize the serious deficiencies that this Jets team has and it begins with the three stooges that run this embarrassing franchise named Woody, Tannenbaum and Ryan. Amazingly none of these so called Jet fan experts can remember all of the FA signings and draft picks that haven't panned out or the number of draft picks that the team had to give away to draft a handful of players. The DL is old and slow. The LB's are average and Scott can not hold Ray Lewis jock strap. Lets see how Scot plays without Lewis and Suggs. Harris is a injury prone overrated tackling machine who has few tackles behind the line of scrimmage and can not cover a slot WR or TE to save his life. Bryan Thomas should have never been signed to such a lucrative contract as he was nowhere to be found last year. Gholston is a bust. Revis and Washington are the 2 best players on the team and if you want to throw in Mangold fine. Jenkins surely was at his best until he had a herniated disk and was nowhere to be found at the end of last year. This type of injury to a NT is the kiss of death and without a suitable backup the Jets are dead in the water as I predict that Jenkins will be out at some point of the season and who knows could be lost for the entire year. Offensively this team is one dimensional and does not have a proven QB, WR or TE to throw the ball. Keller can't block and Cotchery is a decent #3 not a #2 WR. Sure the Jets had success running the ball last year but they also had Favre who presented fear to any opposing defense simply because he was a proven QB with a strong arm. This year there is no proven QB and a rookie HC at the helm. IMHO this team will be lucky to win 4 games and all this hype is just getting me sick as this years team is weaker than last years. The only saving grace for the Jets in 2009 will be that Tannenbaum will get the axe and hopefully Woody will have finally learned his lesson. The article about Tannenbaum is right on. Tannenbaum is a bean counter not a talent evaluator. Give the man credit for Leon Washington and that is it. Mangold was the highest rated center in years and most NFL teams never draft a center in the first round. There were other outstanding talent at pick 21. Should I remind Jet fans of all the picks that haven’t worked out or how about the FA signings. Most on this message board don’t even have a clue about who Mr. T signed as free agents. I would rather not embarrass all of the lousy FA signings and the bottom line with Faneca was the money and he is on the decline. Ferguson is average and has not made the impact that was expected for the 4th player taken in the draft. How many players are we going to allow to walk away without compensation such as Coles, Pennington and Favre. How many picks can you give away and expect to build a winning football program. Shonn Greene and Sanchez are laughable picks. Greene can’t block or pass catch and is one dimensional and is not elusive and we give away 3 draft picks for a muscle bound RB. Sanchez is a complete mystery to me. This guy is lucky if he stands at 6′ 1″ and he has a weak arm. Weak arm QB’s don’t make it at the Meadowlands. Stiff winds are prevalent all year long and I don’t care what kind of footwork this guy has for if I want to see someone dance like Fred Astaire I wouldn’t bother going to the games. I have been a Jet season ticket holder for over 40 years and have witnessed terrible football over the years and the only glimmer of hope that we have had in the last 25 years was Leon Hess hiring Bill Parcells. Woody has proven that his ego is too big to let a proven GM or HC get in the way of his ego and this team is ready for a crash landing in 2009 and 2010. Failure will be the only motivating factor at the end of the 2010 season for Woody to hire a proven GM and HC as the first year of the PSL ripoff will be in play and fans will be n a lynch mob mentality. Let me take that back as most of the diehard loyal Jet season ticket fans have been priced out of the market and therefore the new breed of fans will only be angry because they thought that their PSL’s would appreciate and couldn’t give a rats arss about the team. The problem with most Jet fans is that they can not be honest with themselves and recognize the serious deficiencies that this Jets team has and it begins with the three stooges that run this embarrassing franchise named Woody, Tannenbaum and Ryan. Amazingly none of these so called Jet fan experts can remember all of the FA signings and draft picks that haven’t panned out or the number of draft picks that the team had to give away to draft a handful of players. The DL is old and slow. The LB’s are average and Scott can not hold Ray Lewis jock strap. Lets see how Scot plays without Lewis and Suggs. Harris is a injury prone overrated tackling machine who has few tackles behind the line of scrimmage and can not cover a slot WR or TE to save his life. Bryan Thomas should have never been signed to such a lucrative contract as he was nowhere to be found last year. Gholston is a bust. Revis and Washington are the 2 best players on the team and if you want to throw in Mangold fine. Jenkins surely was at his best until he had a herniated disk and was nowhere to be found at the end of last year. This type of injury to a NT is the kiss of death and without a suitable backup the Jets are dead in the water as I predict that Jenkins will be out at some point of the season and who knows could be lost for the entire year. Offensively this team is one dimensional and does not have a proven QB, WR or TE to throw the ball. Keller can’t block and Cotchery is a decent #3 not a #2 WR. Sure the Jets had success running the ball last year but they also had Favre who presented fear to any opposing defense simply because he was a proven QB with a strong arm. This year there is no proven QB and a rookie HC at the helm. IMHO this team will be lucky to win 4 games and all this hype is just getting me sick as this years team is weaker than last years. The only saving grace for the Jets in 2009 will be that Tannenbaum will get the axe and hopefully Woody will have finally learned his lesson.

]]> By: RKNYC http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/06/in-which-i-trash-lazy-hot-seat-conjecture-from-mike-florio/#comment-164983 RKNYC Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:58:45 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/06/in-which-i-trash-lazy-hot-seat-writing-by-mike-florio/#comment-164983 Well let's not forget that the Jets went one year without a solid line so going one year without 2 starters as WR isn't nearly as bad in comparison (although I do think this receiver crew will respond and Keller is like a WR in TE clothing). It only took one year to completely overhaul that colander of an O-Line too so he is most definitely responsible for that. His seat is not hot. Maybe after this year I'd consider it hot seat. Florio is clueless and a sensationalist. If every "journalist" - and I use that term very loosely with this Florio character - relied on hearsay and 3rd hand sources and then I'd be able to say "Mike Florio is on the hot seat because he is terrible writer and my cat and other unnamed sources told me so." Well let’s not forget that the Jets went one year without a solid line so going one year without 2 starters as WR isn’t nearly as bad in comparison (although I do think this receiver crew will respond and Keller is like a WR in TE clothing).

It only took one year to completely overhaul that colander of an O-Line too so he is most definitely responsible for that.

His seat is not hot. Maybe after this year I’d consider it hot seat.

Florio is clueless and a sensationalist. If every “journalist” – and I use that term very loosely with this Florio character – relied on hearsay and 3rd hand sources and then I’d be able to say “Mike Florio is on the hot seat because he is terrible writer and my cat and other unnamed sources told me so.”

]]> By: SackDance99 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/06/in-which-i-trash-lazy-hot-seat-conjecture-from-mike-florio/#comment-164976 SackDance99 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:48:01 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/06/in-which-i-trash-lazy-hot-seat-writing-by-mike-florio/#comment-164976 I think Florio's opinion about LC is probably the most off-base. What I've seen on the field is a WR clearly on the decline and not worth near market value for a veteran WR. We as fans hate uncertainty, and LC's leaving has made the strength of the WR corps questionable. But, as Brian points out, it won't be all that hard to replace LC's game-day value. Cotchery and Stuckey might not strike fear in defensive coordinators, but I don't think that tandem is any worse than what we've seen on the field since 2007. If you want to criticize Tanny, it would be for not IMPROVING the WR corps, but there are dozens of WRs that can replace LC's production and Stuckey is one of them (and we don't know what Clowney, B. Smith, Urrutia, Whittaker, etc. can do). I think Florio’s opinion about LC is probably the most off-base. What I’ve seen on the field is a WR clearly on the decline and not worth near market value for a veteran WR. We as fans hate uncertainty, and LC’s leaving has made the strength of the WR corps questionable. But, as Brian points out, it won’t be all that hard to replace LC’s game-day value. Cotchery and Stuckey might not strike fear in defensive coordinators, but I don’t think that tandem is any worse than what we’ve seen on the field since 2007. If you want to criticize Tanny, it would be for not IMPROVING the WR corps, but there are dozens of WRs that can replace LC’s production and Stuckey is one of them (and we don’t know what Clowney, B. Smith, Urrutia, Whittaker, etc. can do).

]]> By: Ferraro41 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/06/in-which-i-trash-lazy-hot-seat-conjecture-from-mike-florio/#comment-164971 Ferraro41 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:05:59 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/06/in-which-i-trash-lazy-hot-seat-writing-by-mike-florio/#comment-164971 I really am just so tired of the criticisms based on last season. With the exception of Favre's (and consequently, the team's) demise down the stretch, almost every move Mr. T made last year worked out. Woody? Faneca? Richardson? Pace? Did any of those turn in to disasters? The only you might be able to gripe about is/was Franks, but given what they paid, you still can't call it a disaster. Even Favre...I don't want to start a whole new holy war here, but I firmly believe that if he didn't hurt his arm, the Jets make the playoffs. They may have still struggled down the stretch and probably wouldn't have gone anywhere once they got there, but I think they would have made the playoffs. And even though they didn't, to your point Bassett, they gave up what turned out to be a 3rd round pick for a HOF QB who was coming off a Pro Bowl season. To replace an oft-injured, noodle-armed QB and a guy who threw about 800 picks in the first two weeks of camp last year. I would argue that NOT going after Favre would have been reason to run Tannenbaum out of town, not the other way around. I really am just so tired of the criticisms based on last season. With the exception of Favre’s (and consequently, the team’s) demise down the stretch, almost every move Mr. T made last year worked out. Woody? Faneca? Richardson? Pace? Did any of those turn in to disasters? The only you might be able to gripe about is/was Franks, but given what they paid, you still can’t call it a disaster.

Even Favre…I don’t want to start a whole new holy war here, but I firmly believe that if he didn’t hurt his arm, the Jets make the playoffs. They may have still struggled down the stretch and probably wouldn’t have gone anywhere once they got there, but I think they would have made the playoffs.

And even though they didn’t, to your point Bassett, they gave up what turned out to be a 3rd round pick for a HOF QB who was coming off a Pro Bowl season. To replace an oft-injured, noodle-armed QB and a guy who threw about 800 picks in the first two weeks of camp last year. I would argue that NOT going after Favre would have been reason to run Tannenbaum out of town, not the other way around.

]]> By: Pete57 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/06/in-which-i-trash-lazy-hot-seat-conjecture-from-mike-florio/#comment-164969 Pete57 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:48:02 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/06/in-which-i-trash-lazy-hot-seat-writing-by-mike-florio/#comment-164969 Simply put, Mr T is not on any hot seat. The owner has great faith in him, and he should. Woody knew that the collapse was on the HC. After the Jets beat the Titans, it was clear we had a very talented team. We did not collapse for lack of talent. Simply put, Mr T is not on any hot seat. The owner has great faith in him, and he should. Woody knew that the collapse was on the HC. After the Jets beat the Titans, it was clear we had a very talented team. We did not collapse for lack of talent.

]]> By: ED http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/06/in-which-i-trash-lazy-hot-seat-conjecture-from-mike-florio/#comment-164964 ED Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:45:13 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/06/in-which-i-trash-lazy-hot-seat-writing-by-mike-florio/#comment-164964 Go get him, Bassett. Florio's head is only getting bigger with the NBC thing. He'll F something up and be fired by years end. Go get him, Bassett. Florio’s head is only getting bigger with the NBC thing. He’ll F something up and be fired by years end.

]]> By: vinnywasthebest http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/06/in-which-i-trash-lazy-hot-seat-conjecture-from-mike-florio/#comment-164962 vinnywasthebest Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:24:59 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/06/in-which-i-trash-lazy-hot-seat-writing-by-mike-florio/#comment-164962 The only knock anyone can have on Tannenbaum is letting go of Pennington for Favre and that is subjective. Also, it wasnt his call, because Woody handed down that order. His draft resume is excellent. Any person who thinks we shouldnt have drafted Dbrick is smoking crack. WHAT ELSE COULD WE DO WITH THE 4th overall and a DECIMATED oline? there wasnt much choice there. His contract is not too crazy, so it was a good overall pick + contract. Hes top-10 in the league, thats cool with me, hopefully he gets better though. The only knock anyone can have on Tannenbaum is letting go of Pennington for Favre and that is subjective. Also, it wasnt his call, because Woody handed down that order.

His draft resume is excellent. Any person who thinks we shouldnt have drafted Dbrick is smoking crack. WHAT ELSE COULD WE DO WITH THE 4th overall and a DECIMATED oline? there wasnt much choice there. His contract is not too crazy, so it was a good overall pick + contract. Hes top-10 in the league, thats cool with me, hopefully he gets better though.

]]> By: Charlie D http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/06/in-which-i-trash-lazy-hot-seat-conjecture-from-mike-florio/#comment-164958 Charlie D Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:00:59 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/06/in-which-i-trash-lazy-hot-seat-writing-by-mike-florio/#comment-164958 JBD: I completly agree with your post excellent! Fred: I think you need to stop being so negative and consider that Revis has been excellnt in covering those guys you mentioned. He is almost a "shut down CB" just ask Tye Law who has 3 SB rings. Jets CBs will be fine especially if you have an efficient pass rush and we will.. JBD: I completly agree with your post excellent!

Fred: I think you need to stop being so negative and consider that Revis has been excellnt in covering those guys you mentioned. He is almost a “shut down CB” just ask Tye Law who has 3 SB rings.
Jets CBs will be fine especially if you have an efficient pass rush and we will..

]]> By: Fred Anderson http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/06/in-which-i-trash-lazy-hot-seat-conjecture-from-mike-florio/#comment-164957 Fred Anderson Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:50:13 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/06/in-which-i-trash-lazy-hot-seat-writing-by-mike-florio/#comment-164957 Please do watch the Jests CB's... as they get burned time after time by Moss, Owens, Galloway, Welker, Ginn and on and on... Please do watch the Jests CB’s… as they get burned time after time by Moss, Owens, Galloway, Welker, Ginn and on and on…

]]> By: JDB http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/06/in-which-i-trash-lazy-hot-seat-conjecture-from-mike-florio/#comment-164945 JDB Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:36:44 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/07/06/in-which-i-trash-lazy-hot-seat-writing-by-mike-florio/#comment-164945 I always thought the job of a GM was to get talented players that the coach requests, if the players play well and the team doesn't win, then that is the coaches fault, correct. Well if that is the case then the events that transpired over the past 7 months are correct. Mangini didn't win with the talented team he had, Tannenbaum got the talented players so he should keep his job. Dude when have the Jets had a GM that can pull off shrewd well balanced trades like the Revis, Harris, Sanchez, Sheppard, Favre, and Jenkins deals. Tannenbaum has never overpaid, and that's the real way a GM can hurt a team, overpaying, financially and through the draft. So what if he gives up draft picks, if you make the ones you have count, then you are doing very well I always thought the job of a GM was to get talented players that the coach requests, if the players play well and the team doesn’t win, then that is the coaches fault, correct. Well if that is the case then the events that transpired over the past 7 months are correct. Mangini didn’t win with the talented team he had, Tannenbaum got the talented players so he should keep his job.

Dude when have the Jets had a GM that can pull off shrewd well balanced trades like the Revis, Harris, Sanchez, Sheppard, Favre, and Jenkins deals.

Tannenbaum has never overpaid, and that’s the real way a GM can hurt a team, overpaying, financially and through the draft.

So what if he gives up draft picks, if you make the ones you have count, then you are doing very well

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