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		<title>By: More Pessimism on Jets - The Fifth Down Blog - NYTimes.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>More Pessimism on Jets - The Fifth Down Blog - NYTimes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has written &#8220;Touchdown&#8221; each year since the age of 11.   I&#8217;d never heard of him (hat tip again to the excellent Jets Blog), but he&#8217;s obviously a rising star as a sportswriter, as promising [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has written &#8220;Touchdown&#8221; each year since the age of 11.   I&#8217;d never heard of him (hat tip again to the excellent Jets Blog), but he&#8217;s obviously a rising star as a sportswriter, as promising [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Barbella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Barbella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fonzie,

All good points, but two (my opinion):

4: Thomas Jones and Leon Washington didn&#039;t pick up Jesse Chatman&#039;s slack when he was suspended. Rather, he was on the roster as Jones&#039; back up. So, the comparison to Pace, a fisrt stringer, is a lil&#039; off.

That said, I do think we have good depth with Trusnik and Murrell... maybe Gholston?

6.  The loss of Coles hurts, because we have no wide receivers. Shonn Greene&#039;s seems to be an excelent value draft... only we&#039;ve got Jones and Leon. Therefore, it weakens the offensive for the immediate future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fonzie,</p>
<p>All good points, but two (my opinion):</p>
<p>4: Thomas Jones and Leon Washington didn&#8217;t pick up Jesse Chatman&#8217;s slack when he was suspended. Rather, he was on the roster as Jones&#8217; back up. So, the comparison to Pace, a fisrt stringer, is a lil&#8217; off.</p>
<p>That said, I do think we have good depth with Trusnik and Murrell&#8230; maybe Gholston?</p>
<p>6.  The loss of Coles hurts, because we have no wide receivers. Shonn Greene&#8217;s seems to be an excelent value draft&#8230; only we&#8217;ve got Jones and Leon. Therefore, it weakens the offensive for the immediate future.</p>
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		<title>By: Cabras</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cabras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe A,

Making analysis on paper is worth about as much as the paper it is written on. Team chemistry is the unknown, and guys like Lewis, and Reed are worth more than their actual playing ability (See B Scott trying to become a leader on our team). I also think that Ngata and Jenkins are equal, w/Ngata being more athletic, and Pace will not be playing for the 1st 4 games.
As a fan for 40 years I used to get upset by these type of articles which always downgrade the Jets.
Football is played on turf, not Paper... Only time will tell, but at least it is fun to debate about.

Bent makes some good points, but I think the biggest problem that we will face this year is the lack of quality depth at O Line, and a subpar receiving team which will put pressure on the Oline, RB&#039;s , and QB&#039;s.

Also, in the NFL as they say &quot;On any given Sunday&quot; so the schedule thing is not what we should be looking at. Who knows who will be good, and who will be this season?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe A,</p>
<p>Making analysis on paper is worth about as much as the paper it is written on. Team chemistry is the unknown, and guys like Lewis, and Reed are worth more than their actual playing ability (See B Scott trying to become a leader on our team). I also think that Ngata and Jenkins are equal, w/Ngata being more athletic, and Pace will not be playing for the 1st 4 games.<br />
As a fan for 40 years I used to get upset by these type of articles which always downgrade the Jets.<br />
Football is played on turf, not Paper&#8230; Only time will tell, but at least it is fun to debate about.</p>
<p>Bent makes some good points, but I think the biggest problem that we will face this year is the lack of quality depth at O Line, and a subpar receiving team which will put pressure on the Oline, RB&#8217;s , and QB&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Also, in the NFL as they say &#8220;On any given Sunday&#8221; so the schedule thing is not what we should be looking at. Who knows who will be good, and who will be this season?</p>
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		<title>By: Pete57</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe you forgot an important category where the Jets have the edge on D now: Coaching</description>
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		<title>By: Joe A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ravens Defense Vs. Jets Defense


RDE- Trevor Pryce Vs. Shaun Ellis   Edge- Jets
NT-Haloti Ngata Vs. Kris Jenkins    Edge- Jets
LDE- Kelly Gregg Vs. Marques Douglas    Edge- Ravens
ROLB- Terell Suggs Vs. Bryan Thomas     Edge- Ravens
RILB- Tavares Gooden Vs. Bart Scott      Edge- Jets
LILB-  Ray Lewis Vs. David Harris     Edge- Push
LOLB- Jarret Johnson Vs. Calvin Pace    Edge- Jets
LCB- Domonique Foxworth Vs Darelle Revis     Edge- Jets
RCB- Fabian Washington Vs. Lito Sheppard    Edge- Push
SS-   Dawan Landry Vs. Jim Leonhard    Edge- Ravens
FS-  Ed Reed Vs. Kerry Rhodes    Edge- Ravens</description>
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<p>RDE- Trevor Pryce Vs. Shaun Ellis   Edge- Jets<br />
NT-Haloti Ngata Vs. Kris Jenkins    Edge- Jets<br />
LDE- Kelly Gregg Vs. Marques Douglas    Edge- Ravens<br />
ROLB- Terell Suggs Vs. Bryan Thomas     Edge- Ravens<br />
RILB- Tavares Gooden Vs. Bart Scott      Edge- Jets<br />
LILB-  Ray Lewis Vs. David Harris     Edge- Push<br />
LOLB- Jarret Johnson Vs. Calvin Pace    Edge- Jets<br />
LCB- Domonique Foxworth Vs Darelle Revis     Edge- Jets<br />
RCB- Fabian Washington Vs. Lito Sheppard    Edge- Push<br />
SS-   Dawan Landry Vs. Jim Leonhard    Edge- Ravens<br />
FS-  Ed Reed Vs. Kerry Rhodes    Edge- Ravens</p>
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		<title>By: Bent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fonzie- you made some good points and I hope that these things do actually fall in the Jets&#039; favor, but let me play Devil&#039;s advocate:

&quot;1. The easy schedule (4 wins) you refer to last year, we actually lost to three teams that were supposed to be the EASY part of our schedule. Oakland, San Francisco, and Seattle.&quot;

True, but maybe if they lost to those three teams, they weren&#039;t as good as their 9-7 record.

&quot;3. As far as injuries go they are a part of the game and considered acts of God.&quot;

Yes, but they can cause a team to fall back.  Nobody is suggesting Belichick should resign after the Pats won 8 fewer games last season (18-1 to 10-6), because the reason for that was (as you say) an act of God and therefore completely out of his control.

&quot;4. Jesse Chatman was suspended for four games last year and it did not affect our running game. Jones and Washington picked up the slack on their own same can be said with Gholston, Trusnik, Murrell, Scott, Harris, and Thomas.&quot;

When he was in the line-up, Chatman touched the ball 7 times last year and gained 13 yards.  The loss of Pace is obviously a much bigger blow.  Hopefully those guys do pick it up though.

&quot;5. Assuming Jenkins is going to “hit a wall” earlier this year is a REACH. If anything Ryan’s strength is supposed to maximize each player’s abilities.&quot;

The guy is a year older and recovering from a herniated disk.  That&#039;s not something Ryan has any control over.

&quot;6. Are you saying that the loss of Coles is greater than the gain of Shonn Greene? Fans in the TJB that support Tannenbaum agree that Coles was not that important to making the offense better this year and swear Greene is more valuable than Thomas Jones. &quot;

I do not speak for fans in the TJB, but I consider Favre, Coles, Baker and an extra year of tread on the tires of Faneca, Woody and Jones to be a bigger loss than Sanchez and Greene, at least in the short term.  Losing those players was still a smart move though because it gave them the cap room to add to the defense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fonzie- you made some good points and I hope that these things do actually fall in the Jets&#8217; favor, but let me play Devil&#8217;s advocate:</p>
<p>&#8220;1. The easy schedule (4 wins) you refer to last year, we actually lost to three teams that were supposed to be the EASY part of our schedule. Oakland, San Francisco, and Seattle.&#8221;</p>
<p>True, but maybe if they lost to those three teams, they weren&#8217;t as good as their 9-7 record.</p>
<p>&#8220;3. As far as injuries go they are a part of the game and considered acts of God.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, but they can cause a team to fall back.  Nobody is suggesting Belichick should resign after the Pats won 8 fewer games last season (18-1 to 10-6), because the reason for that was (as you say) an act of God and therefore completely out of his control.</p>
<p>&#8220;4. Jesse Chatman was suspended for four games last year and it did not affect our running game. Jones and Washington picked up the slack on their own same can be said with Gholston, Trusnik, Murrell, Scott, Harris, and Thomas.&#8221;</p>
<p>When he was in the line-up, Chatman touched the ball 7 times last year and gained 13 yards.  The loss of Pace is obviously a much bigger blow.  Hopefully those guys do pick it up though.</p>
<p>&#8220;5. Assuming Jenkins is going to “hit a wall” earlier this year is a REACH. If anything Ryan’s strength is supposed to maximize each player’s abilities.&#8221;</p>
<p>The guy is a year older and recovering from a herniated disk.  That&#8217;s not something Ryan has any control over.</p>
<p>&#8220;6. Are you saying that the loss of Coles is greater than the gain of Shonn Greene? Fans in the TJB that support Tannenbaum agree that Coles was not that important to making the offense better this year and swear Greene is more valuable than Thomas Jones. &#8221;</p>
<p>I do not speak for fans in the TJB, but I consider Favre, Coles, Baker and an extra year of tread on the tires of Faneca, Woody and Jones to be a bigger loss than Sanchez and Greene, at least in the short term.  Losing those players was still a smart move though because it gave them the cap room to add to the defense.</p>
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		<title>By: Bent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, talk about a rock and a hard place.  I&#039;ve got Fonzie blasting me for being too positive (when I&#039;m not THAT positive) and Harvlis blasting me for being too negative (when I&#039;m not THAT negative!)  Talk about a no-win situation.

The message I&#039;m trying to get across is that I don&#039;t know what will happen, but I like the a lot of the moves they have made and IF they do fall back next season, it likely won&#039;t be because they are a bad team, but moreso because they had bad luck, or didn&#039;t reach their full potential immediately.

I am not negative, I am behind the team 100% and excited about the future.  I wasn&#039;t trying to over-analyze everything, just pointing out that there might be many reasons for a team&#039;s record to slip from year to year other than the coach.  I have reservations about next year, because I think it&#039;s a tough schedule and a new regime, so I am not sure how the year will go, but I am excited to see what happens.

Somehow, Fonzie seems to think I am driving the Ryan/Sanchez bandwagon and Harvlis thinks I&#039;m on suicide watch.  Just looking forward to the season and what will happen, guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, talk about a rock and a hard place.  I&#8217;ve got Fonzie blasting me for being too positive (when I&#8217;m not THAT positive) and Harvlis blasting me for being too negative (when I&#8217;m not THAT negative!)  Talk about a no-win situation.</p>
<p>The message I&#8217;m trying to get across is that I don&#8217;t know what will happen, but I like the a lot of the moves they have made and IF they do fall back next season, it likely won&#8217;t be because they are a bad team, but moreso because they had bad luck, or didn&#8217;t reach their full potential immediately.</p>
<p>I am not negative, I am behind the team 100% and excited about the future.  I wasn&#8217;t trying to over-analyze everything, just pointing out that there might be many reasons for a team&#8217;s record to slip from year to year other than the coach.  I have reservations about next year, because I think it&#8217;s a tough schedule and a new regime, so I am not sure how the year will go, but I am excited to see what happens.</p>
<p>Somehow, Fonzie seems to think I am driving the Ryan/Sanchez bandwagon and Harvlis thinks I&#8217;m on suicide watch.  Just looking forward to the season and what will happen, guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4th place?! man, that really got under my skin. no chance the dolphins have a better season than the jets this year. anyway, just three quick thoughts from me...

1) am i alone in my thinking that too many are making too big a deal about the departure of coles? he dropped so many passes last year and was no where near as good as he&#039;s been in the past.

2) not enough is being made about the departure of mangina. he was god awful a big chunk of last season.

3) our defense looked elite at times last season when mangini acatually put his foot on the gas. this year we have more talent and ryan is going to attack the opposing qbs like crazy

go ahead and sleep on the jets. our defense will be more than happy to give you a wakeup call!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4th place?! man, that really got under my skin. no chance the dolphins have a better season than the jets this year. anyway, just three quick thoughts from me&#8230;</p>
<p>1) am i alone in my thinking that too many are making too big a deal about the departure of coles? he dropped so many passes last year and was no where near as good as he&#8217;s been in the past.</p>
<p>2) not enough is being made about the departure of mangina. he was god awful a big chunk of last season.</p>
<p>3) our defense looked elite at times last season when mangini acatually put his foot on the gas. this year we have more talent and ryan is going to attack the opposing qbs like crazy</p>
<p>go ahead and sleep on the jets. our defense will be more than happy to give you a wakeup call!</p>
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		<title>By: DKnyj</title>
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		<dc:creator>DKnyj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone else suffer through NFL REPLAY tonight with the final game of the reg season last year?  

- We may not have the potential this year at QB to hit the level that Favre was when he was playing his best (ie Pats/Titans)... but it would be impossible for even a rookie to be that reckless with the ball.  22 Ints is one thing, but I bet like 12, 13 of those were just reckless, bonehead decisions that Sanchez/Clemens won&#039;t be in a position to do. 

- Offensive Line was pretty darn good last year, even in that game.

- Chansi Stuckey had 3 straight catches on 3 straight plays...  just sayin.

- Kerry Rhodes actually blitzed (from the line of scrimmage not 15 yrs away) and disrupted the entire play.

- Thomas Jones did not look good.

- Leon Washington did

- We threw the ball WAAAY too much in short yardage.

- Favre&#039;s INT&#039;s cost us at least 7 pts and probably 14, hence... the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone else suffer through NFL REPLAY tonight with the final game of the reg season last year?  </p>
<p>- We may not have the potential this year at QB to hit the level that Favre was when he was playing his best (ie Pats/Titans)&#8230; but it would be impossible for even a rookie to be that reckless with the ball.  22 Ints is one thing, but I bet like 12, 13 of those were just reckless, bonehead decisions that Sanchez/Clemens won&#8217;t be in a position to do. </p>
<p>- Offensive Line was pretty darn good last year, even in that game.</p>
<p>- Chansi Stuckey had 3 straight catches on 3 straight plays&#8230;  just sayin.</p>
<p>- Kerry Rhodes actually blitzed (from the line of scrimmage not 15 yrs away) and disrupted the entire play.</p>
<p>- Thomas Jones did not look good.</p>
<p>- Leon Washington did</p>
<p>- We threw the ball WAAAY too much in short yardage.</p>
<p>- Favre&#8217;s INT&#8217;s cost us at least 7 pts and probably 14, hence&#8230; the game.</p>
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		<title>By: fonzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>fonzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bent;

Ryan MUST meet at least the same expectations as last years record in order to be accordered some type of success. And here is why;

1. The easy schedule (4 wins) you refer to last year, we actually lost to three teams that were supposed to be the EASY part of our schedule. Oakland, San Francisco, and Seattle. 

2. The QB situation cannot be any weaker this year because FARVE was the catalyst for us to lose 4 out of the last five games and THANK THE LORD HE IS GONE!!!

3.  As far as injuries go they are a part of the game and considered acts of God.

4.  Jesse Chatman was suspended for four games last year and it did not affect our running game. Jones and Washington picked up the slack on their own same can be said with Gholston, Trusnik, Murrell, Scott, Harris, and Thomas. 

5. Assuming Jenkins is going to &quot;hit a wall&quot; earlier this year is a REACH. If anything Ryan&#039;s strength is supposed to maximize each player&#039;s abilities. 

6. Are you saying that the loss of Coles is greater than the gain of Shonn Greene? Fans in the TJB that support Tannenbaum agree that Coles was not that important to making the offense better this year and swear Greene is more valuable than Thomas Jones. 

All the analysts and fans are holding the lack of a true number receiver for jets as the major downfall of their offense with the mistakes of the quarterback (whoever he is) coming in second. However, if these fans and analysts saw how Tannenbaum (who the fans admire) didn&#039;t put too much value into Coles then why should they be worrying? Coles must have not been that great of a number one receiver to be let go for zero compensation even with his limitations. To answer your last question is as follows:

  The contradiction exists in the image as it is being projected from the front office and the jet fans where they are claiming nfl dominating defense and images of an impending superbowl (see Rex) while emphasizing that we may NOT show it on our record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bent;</p>
<p>Ryan MUST meet at least the same expectations as last years record in order to be accordered some type of success. And here is why;</p>
<p>1. The easy schedule (4 wins) you refer to last year, we actually lost to three teams that were supposed to be the EASY part of our schedule. Oakland, San Francisco, and Seattle. </p>
<p>2. The QB situation cannot be any weaker this year because FARVE was the catalyst for us to lose 4 out of the last five games and THANK THE LORD HE IS GONE!!!</p>
<p>3.  As far as injuries go they are a part of the game and considered acts of God.</p>
<p>4.  Jesse Chatman was suspended for four games last year and it did not affect our running game. Jones and Washington picked up the slack on their own same can be said with Gholston, Trusnik, Murrell, Scott, Harris, and Thomas. </p>
<p>5. Assuming Jenkins is going to &#8220;hit a wall&#8221; earlier this year is a REACH. If anything Ryan&#8217;s strength is supposed to maximize each player&#8217;s abilities. </p>
<p>6. Are you saying that the loss of Coles is greater than the gain of Shonn Greene? Fans in the TJB that support Tannenbaum agree that Coles was not that important to making the offense better this year and swear Greene is more valuable than Thomas Jones. </p>
<p>All the analysts and fans are holding the lack of a true number receiver for jets as the major downfall of their offense with the mistakes of the quarterback (whoever he is) coming in second. However, if these fans and analysts saw how Tannenbaum (who the fans admire) didn&#8217;t put too much value into Coles then why should they be worrying? Coles must have not been that great of a number one receiver to be let go for zero compensation even with his limitations. To answer your last question is as follows:</p>
<p>  The contradiction exists in the image as it is being projected from the front office and the jet fans where they are claiming nfl dominating defense and images of an impending superbowl (see Rex) while emphasizing that we may NOT show it on our record.</p>
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