WR Watch: Time for Some Damage Control
The Brandon Marshall story is getting ever more interesting to follow from afar. While things look rosier for Marshall to stay in Denver just days ago, the story took a turn for the worse when this video of Brandon Marshall pouting during practice surfaced on the Internet Thursday. It seems that the plot has taken another Guy Ritchie-esque, twisty yet rather expected, plot turn.
Broncos wide receiver Brandon Marshall appears unlikely to make his preseason debut in Sunday night’s exhibition against the Chicago Bears after missing practice again.
Marshall, who had offseason hip surgery, has missed most of the team’s training camp with a hamstring problem. He also has requested a trade after clashing with the organization and new coach Josh McDaniels over his desire for a new contract.
McDaniels refused to specify the reasons for Marshall’s absence from practice. He had returned to practice Tuesday, and McDaniels had said he participated fully in the team’s drills. However, Marshall appeared to hold himself out of some pre-practice warmup drills Wednesday – the only portion of the team’s workout open to the media – and was nowhere to be seen on Thursday.
During a brief post-practice news conference, McDaniels refused to say whether Marshall’s absence was health-related … “I’m not talking about it,” McDaniels said. “He’s not out here at practice. When he’s ready and able to practice, he will practice. That’s it.”
Admit it, much like the interloper unknowingly getting their hands on the desired valuable item in RocknRolla, you saw this coming.
Brandon Marshall was on the 12:30AM NFL Live with Trey Wingo and he told Wingo that he was promised a trade by ownership earlier this summer and apologized profusely for letting his “error in judgement” flow over onto the practice field. Marshall did say that the video was “blown out of proportion” but you tell me, do you think that slapping passes thrown to him, jaking it on drills, and punting footballs away from ballboys is blowing things out of proportion?
To answer “practice?!” goes down a road that one should never travel.
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUYjD7A75HQ
“How the hell can I make my teammates better by practice?!” — Allen Iverson
Bottom line, Marshall isn’t helping himself to get out of town. And if he can’t see that, then he’s stupider than I already thought. NO THANKS.
72 Responses to WR Watch: Time for Some Damage Control
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Matt E. says:
I wouldn’t trade for Marshall if he were the next Jerry Rice. His off the field conduct is disgraceful and now he pouts like a two year old on the field.
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vinny, i’ll agree. snatch and lock stock were his two masterpieces, and he’s struggling to do anything else, it seems.
i don’t doubt that marshall on the field would produce, it’s just the off the field (and now, as the video shows on the field) stuff that makes me shy away from him.
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vinnywasthebest says:
I agree. But maybe the two year old act is perpetrated by a 32 year old coach? just asking. Remember when mangini (another belichick disciple) rubber players the wrong way?
You can be a tough guy coach, but do it with a big ring on your finger to get the point across (ring as a HEAD coach, not a ball boy like mangina or McDaniels).
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Atownkevink says:
Why would we want this? The NY media would eat him alive…
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Brendan says:
His off-the-field issues are troublesome, no one can really deny that fact. But his on-the-field talent would be an incredible boost. A (potential) weakness would become a strength if he was added to our receivers.
Isn’t there some way we can put wording into the contract that if he gets into trouble off the field we can cut him without a cap hit or something along those lines? If there was some way to tie-in his off field behavior into the contract I would trade for him and give him an extension in a heart beat.
That is…after we give Leon what he deserves first.
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Also, has any head coach gotten off to a rockier start than McDaniels? First, you run your franchise QB out of town. Now you’re a few weeks from running your most talented offensive player out of town as well. I realize that this could benefit them in the long run with all the picks they’re accumulating, but good lord he must rub people the wrong way.
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Vinny says:
I dont want this guy, at first hed be okay but then tehre would be issues, especialy teh way NY handles contracts. As for this guy being stupid and not helping himself? After KEndal and Cutler and others I will wait till the end to judge. If end up out of Denver and geting millions then how stupid could he have been ? Not justifying what he is doing, just looking at it from a clear dollar and cents look
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JetObsessed28 says:
When i saw Allen Iverson’s mug on the player, i didn’t even read the article.. i just wanted to have a laugh at one of the best presser moments ever..
Thank you for that!!!
OK, now i’m going to read about what a screw-off this Marshall baby is..
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Jetsfantasydefense says:
I think you have to weigh every player’s risk reward factor, and when you look at the Jets depth chart at receiver, on paper we’re not proven or going to intimidate. However, in my opinion, when you look at this team as an offensive unit, I think they will be formidable. I would wait and see what we could get out of our current receivers before making a move for a player like Marshall. Also, the Jets FO has to take into account of resigning players like Mangold and Brick, and obviously taking care of Leon. With weapons like Leon, Keller, and Cotchery,and lets see if Clowney, Allison, Stuckey could make a name for themselves in the regular season.
Also, Tanny has done a fairly good job for not overpaying or giving up to much in trades. McDaniels is probably asking for a lot in return for Marshall.
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dmazz says:
After seeing this video – I’m entirely against getting this guy. He’s a quitter.
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I think we need to get over the fact that the Jets aren’t winning the Super Bowl this year. I dont want this tool on the team just to get into the playoffs (possibly). Some good WR’s will be cut in 2 weeks and the Jets could land a good player yet. Our schedule is very tough this season and unless Brady goes down again forget the AFC east.
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Good players arent cut. Scrap is cut, excess is cut, not any player of MArshall’s caliber.
If Marshalls price is too high and his contract demands are absurd, i agree that that would outweigh the sketchiness of his character. But shouldnt Tanny at least try? for the sake of the team’s performance?
I think Iverson is a great player, not a great winner. But, Im a Nets fan (one of very few), if they brought him in to add a little excitement to a dreadful basketball team, im all for it! as long as the price is right…
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NJets says:
I’m really starting to get frustrated with the WR position not being addressed. The longer the goes on, the less time they have to learn the playbook and get on the same page with Sanchez. I’m mind boggled that we wouldn’t even consider to bring in Matt Jones to at the very least compete with Brad Smith!! I mean come on. The guy used to be a #1 receiver on an NFL team, not a converted QB. Marvin Harrison is another guy that could at the very least help develop Sanchez and allow him to mature. We need to demand that defenses respect the past. Right now, not even Jets fans are respecting Brad Smith, let alone NFL defenses.
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Pleaseeeee stop suggesting Harrison (this is to everyone). The guy has personal issues, and his skills have deteriorated so much the Colts wouldn’t even bring him back as a 3rd or 4th receiver. He’s 160 pounds and we have enough little receivers on this team.
Anyone who think Marshall wouldn’t put this offense into elite company is fooling themselves. Even with a rookie QB, opposing teams wouldn’t be able to stack the box against the run with Marshall & Cotch on the outside and Keller working the middle. Think about that offense. Then you have B.Smith/Clowney/Stuckey (in no particular order) to come in and work the slots and take advantage of mismatches (i.e. Smith on a small nickel back, Clowney vs. a linebacker etc.). As Vinny already stated, as long as the price is reasonable (next years 1st and 4th are more than reasonable for a guy who was a league leader at the position before) and his contract demands are on par with what players of similar talent have gotten, and as long as it doesn’t affect bringing Leon back for good…then I don’t see any reason why you wouldn’t do this (assuming you get a “if you act up, you get cut and dont get paid” type clause in the contract).
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Ok Marshall got suspended by the Broncos… Tanny… Go get him the hell out of there..
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jetsfan13 says:
Well they just suspended him. The most he could be suspended is 4 games. Maybe his asking price went down a little bit. They prob just want to ship him out. Like someone else said maybe they could word the contract so that if he does mess up off the field they won’t pay him. If that’s the case I’d take him
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dajetz says:
Denver suspended Marshall. Stay tuned.
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Kirk says:
i love iverson..classic!
and as for marshall, that is some crazy stuff…to me that speaks volumes about their head coach for a player to be so disrespectful and unprofessional
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Kirk…
Great great point. Someone has to question whats going on with this coach that his superstar QB asked for a trade and now his superstar WR is doing this nonsense. This guy is another Belechik wanna be, just like Mangini… hes probably demanding respect that he hasn’t earned and its pissing the the star players off. This is the Jets opportunity to get Brandon on the cheap. GO FOR IT! Could you imagine what it would look like to have Marshall, Cotchery, Keller, and Stuckey lined up next to eachother along with Clowney coming in as the home run hitter? Add the best oline in the game to that and 3 solid RBs… Now THAT is an offense.
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Cabras says:
He has professional physical skills, but a 2 year old mentality. Sounds perfect!
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Harlan Lachman says:
Guys like this are a cancer to their team. Stay away.
And, Yes, Josh McDaniels is included in the subject of my my first sentence.
But I hope we stay away from BM which is all I think he is (for those without kids or elderly parents, google BM in the urban dictionary).
harlan
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Brad says:
dmaz – Getting Marshall isnt about this year in particular, but rather the future. He is a top WR who is young. The team needs a # 1 WR and thats what he is. Getting someone else that might be cut in a couple of weeks isnt a good option, that is just a 3rd or 4th WR at best and will not help us in the future. As stated before, if our major plan for the next draft is to get a WR in round 1 than who cares about making a trade where we give up our 1st and 4th round picks- just means we are giving them a 4th rounder for an established WR; whereas Rookie WR’s usually take a couple of to become good. Waiting for a Rookie WR to get good means that by the time the WR group looks good other players will be off the team or far from their prime years – Jenkins, Faneca, Woody, Ellis to name a few.
But i Believe the main problem will be giving him a contract that he will like. We dont have the salary cap space to do it if we plan on keep Leon Washington. The team has to keep Cap space for those players who reach their bonuses and incentives in their contracts. We also have to work on giving Mangold and Harris new contracts soon too.
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J-Kay says:
Well, hes been suspended for the remainder of the preseason. Isn’t he a free agent at the end of the season? I don’t know how the Broncos can think its logically to not trade him now and watch him walk at the end of the year…
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I would be willing to give up a 2nd round pick with the possibility for a first round pick if he hits certain statistical numbers like 80 catches. Which probably wouldn’t happen cause we are going to run it 600 times!
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Tell me you don’t want this Beast in the East…
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DSmizzle says:
NJets:
Brotha, I just thought I’d point out that Matt Jones is, in fact, a converted college QB:
http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/columns/story?columnist=mortensen_chris&id=2025109
And yes, they definitely SHOULD bring him in! Its worth a shot – good Lord why not?
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Oh my bad… good point… i forgot…
Regardless.. he was at one point a #1 receiver for the Jags and hes HUGE… so why not?
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Obviously he hasn’t yet panned out, but he most definitely has panned out more than Brad Smith.
Smith pisses me off because generally, I love having versatile guys on the team. Its just really annoying that he hasn’t been able to translate his athletic gifts into becoming a more complete WR.
Anquan Boldin played QB in college, lets not forget. The transition can be made. I’d even argue that Jones himself was moderately productive enough to be an additional example, but that his attitude and off-field problems got in his way.
Maybe he could turn things around. Worth a shot, like you said!
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I don’t see how anyone can see we shouldn’t go after Marshall. We need a punter so badly, I think we can ignore the off field issues for a punter of his caliber.
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Also, Jones was on pace for a 1,000 yard season last year with the Jags, which would have been his highest total, but he played only 12 games.
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RKNYC says:
I have been against Marshall from the beginning but he did make some good points in his interview about the perception of the video as opposed to the reality.
If you only see four 2 second clips that is 8 seconds out of practice that is several hours.
Why only show those parts? He said when he was sitting on the tackling dummies practice hadn’t even started. Yet to someone unaware of that it looks like he’s pouting and being lazy.
Without stating everything he said I’m not in his corner but the coverage will definitely skew the viewers opinion against him based on the clips.
And he apologized immediately and took responsibility before his suspension. He apologized to his teammates as well.
He is still young and seems very emotional so perhaps he can grow up and turn things around. As his price may be dropping, which also may not be the case if Denver isn’t even considering dealing him, he may be worth a trade.
I don’t know of teammates complaining about him but Cutler had a reputation around the league so if Marshall doesn’t have people on the team or off the team saying bad things about him maybe the perception has been skewed too much against him. Similarly Cutler’s rep could have been blown out of proportion.
I guess we just won’t know unless he’s on the Jets but he sure would be a nice weapon (even if he is overrated).
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EastSide says:
True, J-kay- Hodges and other-punter-guy have not impressed! Westhoff should push for bringing in Chris Brown’s role model.
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And btw thanks for the clip NJJets.
Marshall was only a few yards away from 4 or 5 more TDs.
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That Highlight video of Marshall had some very nice plays on it, some nice YAC. The guy is a beast!
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Kyle says:
Brandon Marshall was made for NY.
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seanmac31 says:
Brandon Marshall is not very good. But if a youtube highlight package will convince you of greatness, let me go dig one of Vernon Gholston’s up…
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Cmart28 says:
I’ll always wonder how the next question of that interview wasn’t, “Mr. Iverson, what are we talking about?”
Anyway, while the trade demands for Marshall may be lowered now, he’s clearly too unstable to give a big contract, meaning the same problems would keep coming up. No thanks.
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Tish says:
Now that he has been suspended by Denver, the price for him will be even cheaper. I wouldn’t trade a bag of kicking tees for him. Braylon remains the best option among players who could be available and simply need a change of address.
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seanmac31….
Big difference between a youtube video of Gholston highlights in college and a youtube viedo of Marshall playing like a beast against NFL defenses. I get your point, but this guy is a legit player on the field no matter what he does off of it.
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Bent says: Braylon is also one of the guys with a high enough cap number that it would mean they wouldn’t be able to extend Leon unless the extension kicked in next year (which the agent is resisting).
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CNVega says:
hmmm…the plot thickens….
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9996268/Broncos-suspend-disgruntled-wideout-Marshall
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I’ve read in numerous reports that the Broncos instructed their players to not congratulate Brandon Marshall on being acquitted of the charges in his court case. Apparently that was a big part of what fed into his frustration. Compile that situation to one that is similar to what Leon is going through right now, and even Leon might of started to do more than sit out practices. There’s no excuse for what Brandon Marshall did, he def. handled it immaturely but something is clearly wrong with that organization when key players are so upset. I say we bring him in, show him some love, and get that guy on the feild ASAP because he could be the key to our WRs corps, opening up the run, and developing Sanchez with a nice big, athletic, young target.
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oops, didn’t read far enought in this post, guess that was already posted
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Of all the things you say seanmac31 that is the most ridiculous comment.
Say you don’t like him. Say he’s not great or not as good as he appears. But saying he is not very good, when he is in the top of people at his position for his first 3 seasons in the league, is just steaming with bitterness or malice or both.
Agreed that a highlight video isn’t anything to base a career off of but, hypothetically speaking, if he didn’t have any problems on or off the field can you honestly say that he’s not very good?
He does his job better than 98% of the league. That is not only very good is approaching great.
I know he drops a lot of passes too which is what I’m guessing you are going to say and I can’t refute that.
So say he’s not great but he is very good. Top tier in the NFL has to be very good. Great, to me, means up with the other “greats” (Jerry Rice, Chris Carter, Marvin Harrison, Michael Irving) which I agree I wouldn’t go along with.
How many other players can you name that a defense has to game plan for that you say is “not very good?”
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I should have asked “How many other pro-bowlers can you name that have to be game planned for?”
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Dennis says:
I’d give up a second for him, but that’s as high as I’d go. There’s no question about his talent, but he’s dug himself into a huge hole. You can say it’s all McDaniel’s fault, but a player has to have the maturity to suck it up and go do his job, and Marshall hasn’t done that.
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DSmizzle says:
I like seeing former Patriots suffer. I also like how Bellichick is a .500 coach without Nancy Brady.
Let the embarassment that is Josh McDaniels continue to spiral!!!
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StvDoe says:
I’m still of the “let’s see what we’ve already got” school.
Marshall is a proven idiot, and there’s no way I’d gamble a 1st round pick (or more!) and an expensive contract on such a player. If the price drops to a 2nd rounder, I guess I’d consider it, but I’d still lean towards passing.
We’re not going all the way this year, so let’s spend this year building for the future, not mortgaging it again.
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NYJBeast89 says:
Get MARSHALL, DO IT NOW TANNY! Seriously all this guy wants is to get away from McDaniels, and a fair contract(2 million for a premier WR is unfair). I think he would do great here and he would love playing for a players coach and not a Belicheat crony like McD.
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Wise Old Jet Fan says:
The goal is to win the super bowl, eventually, with our new young QB. It is not happening this year with or without Marshall or any other big name receiver, even if they were choir boyz.
Keep our 2010 picks and try to develop at least one of our decent young WR’s into a front line player.
Not even mentioning the cap implications.
Patience is a virtue.
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Bent says:
Many more posts like that and we’ll be forcing you to keep your name.
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Brandon Marshall isn’t nearly as good as people seem to think he is. Yes, he has a body that looks like Randy Moss or Andre Johnson, and yes, his raw statistics look pretty good, but the reality is that his cumulative stats are wildly inflated by his being the most targeted receiver in the league, and he has spent his career playing with a Pro Bowl quality quarterback. If you look at his DVOA the last two seasons, it’s very pedestrian; while Andre Johnson is up at the top of the league in efficiency, Marshall is down in the 40s, despite the fact that Jay Cutler was a much more efficient passer than Matt Schaub. As Bill James noted, you know an advanced metric is working when 80% of it confirms what you would have thought and 20% really surprises you. DVOA and DPAR largely tell you what you would expect- Andre Johnson is really good, Steve Smith is really good, Randy Moss is really good, Reggie Wayne is really good, etc, etc. And yet for the last two seasons, Brandon Marshall has been a thoroughly mediocre receiver by those measurements. Now I know there are personnel people who think he’s a top five talent, and it’s possible that there are some reasons why Marshall’s numbers are low, but really–Calvin Johnson put up good DYAR and DVOA on an 0-16 team with five different quarterbacks throwing him the ball and no other receiving threats. It’s a major red flag. So instead of doing what Philly did in trading a 2 and a 5 for a legitimate top five receiver, or what New England did in trading a 4 for a legitimate top five receiver, the Jets would be doing what Dallas did- overpaying with a 1 and a 3 for an overrated receiver who isn’t a true difference maker. And in fact, what the Jets would be doing would be worse because A) they would have to give Marshall a new contract immediately and B) because Roy Williams doesn’t routinely beat his girlfriend and get arrested. Marshall is a very high risk from a character standpoint, and considering that, a first round pick for him should be absolutely out of the question.
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Seanmac,
So you say keep the picks, don’t trade for him. Do we use those picks to trade for another receiver? Braylon isn’t plausible without dumping salary back on the Browns. No one wants Boldin because he’s a slightly better Cotchery. Plax is no longer an option. Marshall is.
Or would you rather save the pick, roll the dice in the draft and pray that a wr we pick pans out? It’s almost certain that we’re going after a WR with one of our first two picks next season (unless one of the guys on the roster shocks us all and rips the job from everyone else).
I understand DVOA and DPAR are metrics that are very complicated and take into account a lot of different aspects of production, but one has a hard time arguing with results. The fact is, not everyone plays in the same system with the same players. Would the Jets be better off with Marshall on their team this year and into the foreseeable future, or with the team as is, with a rookie receiver moving forward next year?
Personally, I think it is a no-brainer, but I understand that we all have opinions on this stuff. But an offense that has Marshall & Cotch on the outside, Keller in the middle, and Clowney/Stuckey/Smith workint the slots is muchhh better than what we have now, and will be much better than what we have next season with Cotch, Rookie Receiver X, Keller, Clowney, Stuckey, Smith.
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I disagree. The reason Marshall is such an attractive option is precisely his age (and skill, size, talent, etc). Brandon Marshall is not a win now solution, its a win for the next 5 years solution. Its a develop your number one asset with a player that can get him out of trouble (ala Eli and Plax) solution. Patience implies that you have a plan that is in development. Brad Smith is not a plan anymore. Clowney is good but he will never be the type of receiver Marshall is based on pure size. A number one draft pick means nothing at this point because we don’t know where in the draft we will fall and it’ll probably cost us a bunch of money anyway for an unproven NFL commodity. For argument’s sake, assume that Marshall was still in college, based on his skill and size we’d definitely be picking a player like him next year anyway because of our team’s glaring need. Why postpone the inevitable with an unproven player that you will need two years to develop. The Cap situation is doable as far as I understand. This is as much of a no brainer as Plax would of been had he not been going to jail. Its almost even better because of his age. Also, I can’t even start to conceptualize what it would look like to have two beasts on the field, him and keller…. not to mention how the ground game will open up like a flower.
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Brendan,
Are you really comparing the cost of a second round rookie receiver with the $15 million per year that Brandon Marshall is going to be asking for?
I find it highly unlikely that the Jets will be even considering a receiver with their first round pick, but let’s say that they do. They’ll either be picking up in the top five where you have access to the Andre and Calvin Johnsons of the world (i.e. players who are much better than Brandon Marshall), or they’ll be in the middle or lower end of the round, in which case you end up with players who are much cheaper than Brandon Marshall. Either sounds preferable to me. That said, I’ll be shocked if the Jets take a receiver with their #1 unless it is clearly the BPA.
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Or the Charles Rogers of the world? Or the Peter Warricks of the world? The Travis Taylors, the David Terrells, the Reggie Williams, the Troy Williamsons of the world? That’s a two way street my friend, and there two lanes heading towards BUST and one towards STUD.
What I’m trying to say is, there’s speculation, and there’s reality. We can speculate that the Jets could get a top talent in the draft, but out of all the positions in football WR has the least success rate in the first round (thats my opinion, and I’m not alone). Would I rather pay $10+ million for Marshall for 6 years, or virtually the same for a rookie who could go Charles Rogers and kill his career in less than a few seasons? I’ll take Marshall.
And how could you be shocked if they take a receiver with their first pick next season? It’s the weakest position on the field, aside from maybe D-line (with the age being a concern) and possibly CB (if they cut Lito before his big bonus). Where would you expect their first rounder to go?
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BubbyBrister/shovelpass says:
Just “Marshall being Marshall”…
now where did I hear that before?
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igs says:
Yeah guys, this sounds like exactly the kind of player to put on this team.
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I expect the pick to go to the best player and to the player who plays at the most important position- likely offensive tackle, defensive tackle or defensive end. Receiver is a position where there is very little need to force a pick high in the draft because there is so much less predictability in terms of how draft position corresponds to production (with the exception of true freaks like Calvin Johnson). Look at the top 10 quarterbacks last year: Brees, the Manning Brothers, Rivers, Warner, Pennington, Rodgers, Ryan, Cutler and McNabb. For those counting at home, that’s eight first round picks, one top of the second round and one free agent. How about receiver? Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Steve Smith, Anquan Boldin, Calvin Johnson, Hines Ward, Reggie Wayne, Vincent Jackson, Derrick Mason and Antonio Bryant. Still four first rounders (three of whom went in the top 3 of the draft), but also second rounders, third rounders and later. It’s much easier to find top talent later in the draft, and in any event, you don’t need top talent to field a top passing attack provided your quarterback can ball (see San Diego and New Orleans for evidence).
The biggest problem for this team going forward in the next 2-3 years is the defensive line, not the receivers. It’s also the area where teams generally like to find their front line players at the top of the draft. Say what you will about Vernon Gholston, but there are no 265 pound ends who run a 4.6 in the third round of the draft. Every year there are multiple 6’4″ receivers who run a 4.5 in the third round and beyond. There’s a much, much bigger supply of talent. That’s where I expect the pick to go, unless the talent is simply overwhelming at another position.
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You can give examples all you want and people will counter them with other examples. Bottom line is there is an overwhelmingly opportunistic situation in Denver right now, and the Jets have the opportunity to fill their #1 receiver position for the next 5 years. Your argument is to develop depth on the defensive line. The Brandon Marshall argument is to add a position player we don’t even have.
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Bent says:
“the reality is that his cumulative stats are wildly inflated by his being the most targeted receiver in the league”
In other word’s he’s the NFL equivalent of Antoine Walker going to the all-star game by playing 40 plus minutes a night and shooting more three point shots than anyone else despite having a low percentage.
Would you trade a 1st round pick for a 25 year old Antoine Walker (only he’s a wife beater who won’t learn the playbook instead of a gambling addict who loves fried chicken)…and then give him a $10m a year contract?
In all seriousness, Marshall is inconsistent but does show a lot of talent. He could get a lot better and put up even better numbers if he plays on a team which passes the ball as much…but he’s not going to get any better by putting on a display like the one he did in practice. That doesn’t make me feel any better about the risk.
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James in TN says:
Get Marshall Now!!!! He hates playing for a ex coach from the Patriots , hey he will fit right in because we have a bunch of players he has something in common with. If we have leadership , and we do. He will be fine in the green and white. I still hate the throwbacks, big marketing ploy that will backfire. Who would buy that s@#$ ?
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Green Lantern says:
NJets said it the best.
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JesusRevis says:
Seanmac,
“Brandon Marshall is not very good”
Over the last 2 seasons his NFL ranks
Receptions 2nd
Yards 3rd
First Downs 2ndHow could you say hes not very good? Its one thing if youre going to state his stats are skewed or misleading, but enough’s enough and I’m sorry to tell you that you just dont know what youre talking about.
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Antoine Walker is a very good comparison. And I would put the odds of Marshall pulling a Charles Rogers higher than any unknown rookie player. The guy is in the middle of demonstrating a complete lack of responsibility and, frankly, a total lack of intelligence. The Broncos are going to do every bit as well without him as they would with him, and we’ll do every bit as well without him as we would with him.
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JesusRevis,
His per catch stats are roughly in line with Jerricho Cotchery. But because he’s seen more balls go his way than any receiver in the league, his totals look impressive.
Let me rephrase. It’s not that Brandon Marshall isn’t very good. It’s that he’s not nearly as good as he-or his agent-think he is, and he’s not worth anywhere near the kind of compensation that is being discussed to obtain him.
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Youre basically faulting Marshall for being thrown at so many times, but when do the variables stop? Can we say Reggie Wayne’s stats are inflated because hes played his entire career catching passes from Peyton Manning? I understand if you think Marshall is ot as good as his numbers may imply, but it is absurd to say he’s not very good.
Youre last post makes a lot more sense
As i’ve said from the beginning I do not want the Jets to trade for him.
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The Jets could always sign Matt Jones, a free agent WR that shouldn’t cost too much and wouldn’t cost any draft picks at all wow. I don’t really see the conflict here.
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Sure, there are variables that you have to consider. That said, almost all of Denver’s variables should have been working in Marshall’s favor. They have the best all-around offensive line in football. They had a quarterback who put up a DVOA of 22% despite throwing the ball 630 times. They had a viable #2 receiver in Eddie Royal and an excellent tight end in Tony Scheffler, and most importantly, they had an excellent offensive coach with a superior scheme. In those circumstances, why wouldn’t Brandon Marshall produce better numbers than, say, Steve Smith or Calvin Johnson, guys with mediocre or worse quarterbacks and no viable receivers opposite them to draw coverage away? Randy Moss had a huge drop-off in 2008, but that was because he spent the year playing with a backup quarterback who couldn’t throw the deep ball. What was Marshall’s excuse?
Again, Marshall is undoubtedly a talented player, and if you put a highlight reel together, you can make him look like Larry Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson or whomever. But on a play-by-play basis, he was a radically inferior receiver to those guys. And seeing as all those other guys are good off-the-field, I would think that Marshall would need to outperform them to be considered a worthwhile risk, not be outperformed by them.
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SackDance99 says:
Given Marshall’s considerable baggage and the fact that he’d cost both high picks and in excess of $12 million per season, I can’t see how acquiring Marshall could be in the long-term interest of the Jets. It’s not like it’s the Moss or TO situations where, in the short-term, Marshall would have to behave. With the investment that the Jets would have to make, Marshall would have the Jets by the short hairs. He’d have no incentive to change any of his bad behavior. Let’s make the Jets the enabler of one of the biggest sociopaths in the NFL. That’s just not smart.
Rock N Rolla was the worst movie i ever saw. In no way is it near the masterpiece, Snatch.
As for Marshall, I was just listening to Mike Golic talk about that part of practice and he said some of those drills are just stretching and going through it slowly is just what some players do. That being said I watched the video and I see where the outrage is coming from, I doesnt look good.
But we dont know what discussion he had with his coach prior to this being shot, or where and what is really happening.
In his defense, Josh McDaniels is 32 right? Maybe hes just rubbing his players the worng way due to inexperience? anyone ever brought that up?
If he does wind up on the Jets, I think that we have enough character players that would keep this fool in check, same reasoning I had for T.O. or J Cutler. Faneca or TJ would slap him on the mouth if he go outta line.