The guy we just gutted earlier today from the Miami Herald, wrote another article about how the Jets are a reckless bunch of spenders and talent acquirers, while the Dolphins are (of course) a steely and shrewd minded organization that is building in a methodical process. (Emphasis mine)
Hey Armando, does the acquisition of Mark Anthony count?
The Jets? They’re about winning now. Every major personnel move they have made the last 18 months screams they are chasing a chance at not just any Super Bowl, but the next Super Bowl.
“If giving away draft picks to move up to No. 5 [in the first round] wasn’t evident enough, I don’t know what other indicator the rest of the league needs to realize we’re trying to win this year, and it’s not a rebuild and build for the future type of deal,” New York’s Bart Scott proclaimed this week.
The Dolphins also want to win now. But study their approach under Parcells and general manager Jeff Ireland and the moves speak of a guarded, steady, logical pace that refuses to mortgage the future for the present.
Sure, coach Tony Sparano wants to win the AFC East this year every bit as much as he did last year, and wants to win Monday’s game every bit as much as Jets coach Rex Ryan.
But part of Sparano’s job is to balance what he wants today versus what everyone wants tomorrow.
Wrong. Sparano’s job is to take the players that Parcells tells him he will take, and to like it.
I think that the Jets do want to win now, I think most teams do, but if the NFL has one truth when it comes to coaching and front office personnel, it’s that you can’t expect that tomorrow will ever come.
I’m sure a new stadium and a young QB play into this even more than before for the Jets, but I also think that if you were to waterboard Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum, he would admit that, yes, NFL Draft picks are currently way overvalued and he’s been taking advantage of that league-wide notion for a few years now.
Ironically, Bill Parcells was probably the biggest single reason who made many GMs in the league in the late 90s and early 2000s realize that trading players to stockpile draft picks was a brilliant move, and now it’s a common occurrence across the league … so much so, that the picks (in my mind) are valued more highly than players. In a hard capped league, where teams need to get production out of everyone on a roster but have a spending limit, late draft picks can be very important. Add in a higher amount of media attention around the draft in the past ten years, and it makes draft picks (if indirectly) even more valuable than ever before.
After the second or third round of most drafts, the hit rate for finding future starters, league-wide, is spotty at best. The Jets have a large and solid scouting department and have been finding players that can make contributions late. Jerricho Cotchery, Kerry Rhodes, Leon Washington and Chansi Stuckey are some good examples but even if the team has to go into the UDFA pool, the team has proven that players like Mike DeVito, Jason Trusnik, Jamal Westermann and Wallace Wright can make a big impact in games.
While Mike Tannenbaum sat at the knee of Bill Parcells during his time with the Jets, it’s clear what Tannenbaum learned was not to trade players for picks, but to find value where there’s value to be found.
My point is that, if you had a third and a fifth rounder or a 29 year old Kris Jenkins … which would you take? The Jets have proven again and again that they can find extremely talented players, at insane bargains if you are willing to take a little bit of a risk later, for an established player now. I think that the draft pick to player value will come back from where it has been recently, and Mike Tannenbaum might be a big part of the reason for it.
The more I hear from, about, and regarding the Dolphins, the more I want the Jets to destroy them tonight.
I would love a victory thats all that matters.
This guy is an amateur. He also needs to wipe his tears away.
Reckless?
They work under the same cap as we do….last I checked. They were willing to give C Pace the same contract we did and threw money at players like G Wilson.
We also traded spare parts to the Browns for a 2nd, 3rd and 5th for Sanchez and Edwards. Considering the Phins wasted a #1 on T Ginn Jr.
Armando should go talk to his boy Parcells and see how many times he tried to get Mr T to follow him out the Jets door…and then again when he popped up in Dallas.
I want to stomp a hole in the Phins tonight
Living in miami, Salguero is a dolphin @ss licker. All he does is praise everything the team does. I understand you are writing about them but it isn’t all about blind loyalty. For instance Sparano said Edwards acquisition would mess up the dolphin chemistry. How so if you have one bad apple in a locker room of good chemistry guys? Oh wait i guess a guy who can actually catch at times might rub off on Ted Ginn
Revis against ted ginn should b funny
totally agree that draft picks are overrated. i mean, the best example of all time for this is randy moss being traded to the pats for a FOURTH ROUNDER!
personally, i love the way tanny approaches the draft. he has 2 or 3 players he wants and is willing to sacrifice picks to get them. i’ll gladly take getting 2 impact players in each draft along with anyone else we may acquire in a trade if all it costs are late round picks
How exactly is our future mortgaged? We’ve got a great mix of youth and veterans with pro-bowl talent sprinkled on both sides of the ball. There are no obvious holes at any position and our skill players on offense (with the exception of pro-bowl Thomas Jones who’s replacement is already onboard) are all young and will contribute for years at a high level. Sanchez, Washington, Keller, Cotchery, Edwards along with Brick and Mangold are all kids and will be with this team for years to come.
On D, Harris, Pace, Westerman, Revis, Rhodes, Lowery, DeVito, Leohnard, Murrell, Smith, and even Pitoitua are all 27 or younger.
High draft round choices are a crap shoot (see Gholston and Ted Ginn if you can find them). Tann and Ryan have both shown they can get the most out of talented veteran castoffs and low round drartees and I am confident they can find the talent to keep surrounding the core youngsters they have onboard now.
The Dolphins roster is full of question marks, cast offs and underperformers. I don’t think we should be taking any direction from them.
Yea Drew!
Parcell’s just is stubborn and wants a player for what he thinks he should pay for it and that the player should be honored to play for him. When that doesn’t happen he says he wasn’t meant to play for me then.
And the Jets have been drafting players that start, contribute and even go to the Pro-Bowl. Mangold, Revis and Leon all Pro-Bowlers. Rhodes (he has Pro-Bowl potential but may never get there). D’Brick wants it he says. Faneca and Jenkins and T Jones not picks but Pro Bowlers.
Miami had Long and Porter (not a draft pick) and Ronnie Brown.
I’m not saying we will crush them but a thorough whooping would be great for the top of the AFC East.
Chad Henne, he’s a Parcells guy let’s see how he handles Calvin Pace, Kris Jenkins, Bart Scott, David Harris, Darrelle Revis, Bryan Thomas…jeez I feel like naming all of them!
Hahaha is Revis really covering Ted Ginn tonight? That hilarious…Im pretty sure he can cover all of their receivers at once.
Another thing this genius seems to overlook, we ARE winning now.
The Dolphins, not so much.
The Jets young (drafted) core is one of the best in the league.
How many teams can compare with:
Sanchez, Leon, Cotchery, mangold, ferguson, harris, rhodes, revis, Keller.
Thats 8 pro bowl caliber players.
Their ‘old’ but solid players include only: jenkins, moore, woody, jones, faneca.
In their prime: Edwards, Scott, Pace.
Young and dont know how good they can be:
Gholston, Lowrey, Greene, Clowney, Westerman.
In comparison, the Patriats have a lot of ‘old’ but solid players.
The Dolphins have a lot of ‘young and dont know how good they can be’
The Bills lack in each category.
The Jets have the best tam for this year and beyond.
The Jets have their gems for sure, and I like a team to be agressive in aquiring talent, be it FA or the draft. We have done in later rounds of the draft and with unrestricted FA who were not drafted. We have gone out and added LB’s who have made us one of the better defenses in the league and when the chips were on the table traded up to aquire one of the best corners in the draft and qb’s in recient memory. Its hard to argue with a proven product. Jet fan’s know something painfully obvious, we can admit when we have an inferior product and we are students of the game. We also know that we have a bright future, so be it the dolpins beat writters or anyone else and what they think the game is played between the stripes. Not on a piece of paper, otherwise the Jets should be 0-4 instead of 3-1 I’ll go with the swaggerlishous talkers, they play the game between the stripes and they have been very successful so far.
this writer is going to look pretty supid after we destroy the dolphins tonight. chad henne – meet calvin pace and big jinx. i want BLOOD
Don’t be bitter that the Jets have the balls to pull off a trade or to draft a QB high in the draft. Matt Ryan will haunt the Dullfins for years. Jets should roll tonight!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsOBdNaxlIg&feature=related
Never get tired of watching it…
the herald is my local paper (unfortunately) and they have one of the WORST sports sections of any major newspaper. salguero is an amateur who writes “fact-based” articles that, surprisingly, often lack facts. the only semi-intelligent writer that paper has to offer is greg cote, who isn’t blinded by dark-shaded homer sunglasses. and don’t get me started on dan le bastard. he’s the perez hilton of sports reporting.
If there’s anything i hate more than the Patriots, it’s the Dolphins…
Squish the fish..
Kill the Krill..
Mash the minnows..
Pound the porpoise (that sounds inappropriate! lol)
Yes, it’s a slow day at work!
I think having Calvin Pace back in the lineup will help our run D, VG has been somewhat of a liability.
I don’t see how the fish are gonna make a game out of this. Our defense will neutralize the “wildcat” and they can’t throw or catch. Sanchez will bounce back with a statemeant game. Jets 28-7.
The giants value he draft and look what they have done with it…eli jacobs bradshaw smith manningham nicks boss deihl snee …tuck umenyoria kiwanuka cofield webster thomas ross phillips johnson….its amazing…and they sign undrafted fa better than anyone
Bassett, great insight about Mike T and draft pick valuation. Its pretty hard to not consider him an elite GM at this point.
As for Salguero: Bart Scott is not an expert roster-construction analyst. Just because he says that trading up to take a QB at #5 is a win-now move doesn’t make it true.
Rex and his players have the right idea in that they want to compete for a Super Bowl now, but I’m not clear on how drafting and starting a 22 year old franchise QB is somehow mortgaging the future of this team.
I think Bill Parcels is unrivaled in his ability to turn around franchises, but the notion that he eschews veteran, win-now players is the height of ignorance. Why then are the Dolphins employing Joey Porter, Jason Taylor, and Chad Pennington (to just name three guys who won’t be winning Supper Bowls in the orange and teal)?
There are plenty of younger teams in the NFL than the Jets, but not many, least of all the Dolphins, that boast a youthful core with as much talent. Just on offense you have Sanchez, Greene, Washington, Edwards, Keller, D’Brick, and Mangold. And the defense will be built around Revis and Harris for years to come. The Jets will be very good for the next five years.
And @ buttHoleSurfer, the Giants have been awesome when it comes to amateur evaluation, but I don’t think you can throw Eli into that acclaim. That trade was terrible, and the Giants would be just as good, and probably better with Marmalade over Eli. Throw in the pick that became Shawn Merriman and its pretty obvious that was a move that wasn’t disastrous, but really short-sighted.
If you asked me last year I would have agreed but I believe that eli has elevated his game to the upper tier of qbs in the nfl…the trade WAS looking bad but now its great…eli is a pro bowl qb…I’m worried about the list of young jets that hit unrestricted free agency next year…the whole core and we cannot keep em all
right now, the jets do have sufficient flexibility to re-sign them all. Unless any of them have exorbitant demands, I’m not worried.
Well I think were talking about a few superstars here…revis mangold harris washington edwards are all superstars that other teams will be willing to pay mega bucks too…don’t be surprised if we loose a few of em