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		<title>By: asdf</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/10/15/just-how-many-first-rounders-does-it-take/#comment-191061</link>
		<dc:creator>asdf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>igs,

Clearly you are a bottom line kind of guy -- you want the Superbowl win, and thus anything the front office has done in the past 40 years must ultimately be considered a failure since they haven&#039;t gotten that win.  I understand this point of view, and believe me, I am also frustrated by the Superbowl drought.  I think most of us are.  Still, the Jets have made more playoff appearances in the past ten years than most teams.  This is a fact and I think for the sake of fairness you should acknowledge it, even if you don&#039;t think it matters or are personally unsatisfied by their playoff performances.

The one thing I wanted to ask you is in regards to your statement that you are bothered by the lack of drafted talent on the Jets.  I&#039;ve seen some posters list off various players in order to disprove this point, but I haven&#039;t seen a direct response by you.  I&#039;m wondering what you think of the talent levels of these specific players:

- Darrelle Revis
- David Harris
- Nick Mangold
- D-Brickashaw Ferguson
- Jerricho Cotchery
- Mark Sanchez
- Leon Washington
- Dustin Keller
- Kerry Rhodes

Personally, I happen to think all of these 9 players are extremely talented.  I also think they all have very bright futures and are only going to get better over time (they were all drafted from 2004-2009).  For this reason, I am hopeful about the Jets prospects over the next several years and think that the front office has done a good job putting together a talented young core that we can be hopeful about.  I get the impression that you disagree.  Which of the players I mentioned am I wrong about? I&#039;d like to hear your opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>igs,</p>
<p>Clearly you are a bottom line kind of guy &#8212; you want the Superbowl win, and thus anything the front office has done in the past 40 years must ultimately be considered a failure since they haven&#8217;t gotten that win.  I understand this point of view, and believe me, I am also frustrated by the Superbowl drought.  I think most of us are.  Still, the Jets have made more playoff appearances in the past ten years than most teams.  This is a fact and I think for the sake of fairness you should acknowledge it, even if you don&#8217;t think it matters or are personally unsatisfied by their playoff performances.</p>
<p>The one thing I wanted to ask you is in regards to your statement that you are bothered by the lack of drafted talent on the Jets.  I&#8217;ve seen some posters list off various players in order to disprove this point, but I haven&#8217;t seen a direct response by you.  I&#8217;m wondering what you think of the talent levels of these specific players:</p>
<p>- Darrelle Revis<br />
- David Harris<br />
- Nick Mangold<br />
- D-Brickashaw Ferguson<br />
- Jerricho Cotchery<br />
- Mark Sanchez<br />
- Leon Washington<br />
- Dustin Keller<br />
- Kerry Rhodes</p>
<p>Personally, I happen to think all of these 9 players are extremely talented.  I also think they all have very bright futures and are only going to get better over time (they were all drafted from 2004-2009).  For this reason, I am hopeful about the Jets prospects over the next several years and think that the front office has done a good job putting together a talented young core that we can be hopeful about.  I get the impression that you disagree.  Which of the players I mentioned am I wrong about? I&#8217;d like to hear your opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Snakeman</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/10/15/just-how-many-first-rounders-does-it-take/#comment-191005</link>
		<dc:creator>Snakeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the moral of the story is that all of you debaters need to get day jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the moral of the story is that all of you debaters need to get day jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete57</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/10/15/just-how-many-first-rounders-does-it-take/#comment-190995</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hank, Tanny has been on the job for 4 years now. We currently have a team that has already beaten the Pats this year (and last). We are challenging for the division title for the second year in a row. That&#039;s what we have to show for Tanny&#039;s moves. Ive said it before and I&#039;ll say it again: The Jets are a much better team now compared to when Tanny took over. IMO, he has done a very good job.

And to defend SD99 (not that he needs it), you left out that he said that it is possible to get dirt cheap players from UDFA, and other teams practice squaders, not just the bottom of the draft. That was his point. What difference does it make where you get them from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hank, Tanny has been on the job for 4 years now. We currently have a team that has already beaten the Pats this year (and last). We are challenging for the division title for the second year in a row. That&#8217;s what we have to show for Tanny&#8217;s moves. Ive said it before and I&#8217;ll say it again: The Jets are a much better team now compared to when Tanny took over. IMO, he has done a very good job.</p>
<p>And to defend SD99 (not that he needs it), you left out that he said that it is possible to get dirt cheap players from UDFA, and other teams practice squaders, not just the bottom of the draft. That was his point. What difference does it make where you get them from?</p>
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		<title>By: hank/naples</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/10/15/just-how-many-first-rounders-does-it-take/#comment-190992</link>
		<dc:creator>hank/naples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SD:

You argument has a few flaws: You said...&quot;Now, drafting Green also had the desired effect, both Jones and Leon showed up for training camp.&quot; Both, like maybe hundred or so players, are under contract , obligated to report, and waiting resolution on the cap situation. The jury is still out on that one.

You said.....&quot; I thought trading up to get Green was a great move all around. &quot;   I dont think three (3) carries so far  confirms your primise. Also, lets see if he stays healthy enough to show it was a great move. So far he has not.

And lastly you said.....&quot;Every team has a salary cap, so every team needs to hit paydirt with cheap second day draft picks.......&quot; That is exactly igs point. The Jets always seem to spent their second half draft picks, thereby depriving us the opportunity to, as you say  &quot;strike gold&quot; , in the second half of the draft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SD:</p>
<p>You argument has a few flaws: You said&#8230;&#8221;Now, drafting Green also had the desired effect, both Jones and Leon showed up for training camp.&#8221; Both, like maybe hundred or so players, are under contract , obligated to report, and waiting resolution on the cap situation. The jury is still out on that one.</p>
<p>You said&#8230;..&#8221; I thought trading up to get Green was a great move all around. &#8221;   I dont think three (3) carries so far  confirms your primise. Also, lets see if he stays healthy enough to show it was a great move. So far he has not.</p>
<p>And lastly you said&#8230;..&#8221;Every team has a salary cap, so every team needs to hit paydirt with cheap second day draft picks&#8230;&#8230;.&#8221; That is exactly igs point. The Jets always seem to spent their second half draft picks, thereby depriving us the opportunity to, as you say  &#8220;strike gold&#8221; , in the second half of the draft.</p>
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		<title>By: hank/naples</title>
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		<dc:creator>hank/naples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete57:

Fully understand your primise but (not to beat a dead horse, but I&#039;ll beat him anyway) the argument posed by igs was that accumalating that many high draft players and nothing to show for it, smacks of poor managent. Specially in light of having spent(given away) tons of draft choices the last three years. 

I have tried to support his argument by pointing to our won and loss record the last ten years or since TanWoody has been incharge. A record, which flies in the face of a few posters in TJB but selectively chose stats to disprove his argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete57:</p>
<p>Fully understand your primise but (not to beat a dead horse, but I&#8217;ll beat him anyway) the argument posed by igs was that accumalating that many high draft players and nothing to show for it, smacks of poor managent. Specially in light of having spent(given away) tons of draft choices the last three years. </p>
<p>I have tried to support his argument by pointing to our won and loss record the last ten years or since TanWoody has been incharge. A record, which flies in the face of a few posters in TJB but selectively chose stats to disprove his argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/10/15/just-how-many-first-rounders-does-it-take/#comment-190977</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s that term you love to use, igs? Served?....yea, you&#039;re that right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s that term you love to use, igs? Served?&#8230;.yea, you&#8217;re that right now.</p>
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		<title>By: JesusRevis</title>
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		<dc:creator>JesusRevis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post sack</description>
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		<title>By: SackDance99</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/10/15/just-how-many-first-rounders-does-it-take/#comment-190968</link>
		<dc:creator>SackDance99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know igs hated the Shonn Green pick, but can we put in in context?  If everyone remembers correctly, both Jones and Leon were threatening to hold out or miss camp.  Rex rated Green the top RB in the draft, so in an exercise of prudence, IMO, Rex and Tanny traded up to get a replacement for Jones.  Now, drafting Green also had the desired effect, both Jones and Leon showed up for training camp.  If the Jets had failed to address RB until the later rounds by drafting a guy like Jennings, Jones and Leon would have been emboldened to hold out.  I thought trading up to get Green was a great move all around.  Now, we get to groom a guy for the future and we have Jones...gotta like the depth.

And, like I&#039;ve said in response to igs almost every time he makes this argument, there are 5 ways to obtain players: 1) the draft, 2) free agency, 3) trades, 4) UDFAs, and 5) from other teams&#039; practice squads.  I really don&#039;t think focusing on 1 way as opposed to another is meaningful.  Every team has a salary cap, so every team needs to hit paydirt with cheap second day draft picks, UDFAs, cheap UFAs or practice squad signings.  IMO, if the Jets don&#039;t have the opportunity to draft guys from the 4th-7th rounds, what&#039;s wrong with then bringing in a bunch of UDFAs or signing guys from practice squads?  igs, I understand your argument, I just think it&#039;s fatally flawed.

Also, the Pats 1st Super Bowl team had many former Jets and free agents, no way BB would&#039;ve been able to install his system without his people and he didn&#039;t have the time to build through the draft.  In fact, while BB stocked up on a ton of late round picks in 2000 and 2001, only 2 guys, Brady and Patrick Pass, ended up being bona fide NFL players and only 4 guys from those drafts started on offense and defense (Brady, Light, Seymour and the forgettable Greg Randall) on the Super Bowl team.  And to think, the only reason the Pats drafted Brady over Rattay was because he was taller.  

Ultimately, the Pats were lucky with that first win, like the Giants were lucky in their 2007 SB run.  As a Jets fan, what bugs me is that the Jets don&#039;t seem to have lady luck smile on them very often.  But, the season is young and, as they say, luck is the residue of design.  I like this team, I like Rex, I like the fact that this team is now dangerous on both offense and defense.  But, to win lots of the fair-weather fans back on to the bandwagon, these Jets need to win the next 3 games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know igs hated the Shonn Green pick, but can we put in in context?  If everyone remembers correctly, both Jones and Leon were threatening to hold out or miss camp.  Rex rated Green the top RB in the draft, so in an exercise of prudence, IMO, Rex and Tanny traded up to get a replacement for Jones.  Now, drafting Green also had the desired effect, both Jones and Leon showed up for training camp.  If the Jets had failed to address RB until the later rounds by drafting a guy like Jennings, Jones and Leon would have been emboldened to hold out.  I thought trading up to get Green was a great move all around.  Now, we get to groom a guy for the future and we have Jones&#8230;gotta like the depth.</p>
<p>And, like I&#8217;ve said in response to igs almost every time he makes this argument, there are 5 ways to obtain players: 1) the draft, 2) free agency, 3) trades, 4) UDFAs, and 5) from other teams&#8217; practice squads.  I really don&#8217;t think focusing on 1 way as opposed to another is meaningful.  Every team has a salary cap, so every team needs to hit paydirt with cheap second day draft picks, UDFAs, cheap UFAs or practice squad signings.  IMO, if the Jets don&#8217;t have the opportunity to draft guys from the 4th-7th rounds, what&#8217;s wrong with then bringing in a bunch of UDFAs or signing guys from practice squads?  igs, I understand your argument, I just think it&#8217;s fatally flawed.</p>
<p>Also, the Pats 1st Super Bowl team had many former Jets and free agents, no way BB would&#8217;ve been able to install his system without his people and he didn&#8217;t have the time to build through the draft.  In fact, while BB stocked up on a ton of late round picks in 2000 and 2001, only 2 guys, Brady and Patrick Pass, ended up being bona fide NFL players and only 4 guys from those drafts started on offense and defense (Brady, Light, Seymour and the forgettable Greg Randall) on the Super Bowl team.  And to think, the only reason the Pats drafted Brady over Rattay was because he was taller.  </p>
<p>Ultimately, the Pats were lucky with that first win, like the Giants were lucky in their 2007 SB run.  As a Jets fan, what bugs me is that the Jets don&#8217;t seem to have lady luck smile on them very often.  But, the season is young and, as they say, luck is the residue of design.  I like this team, I like Rex, I like the fact that this team is now dangerous on both offense and defense.  But, to win lots of the fair-weather fans back on to the bandwagon, these Jets need to win the next 3 games.</p>
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		<title>By: JesusRevis</title>
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		<dc:creator>JesusRevis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I come back from a meeting to see igs is still spewing nonsense.  You can say what you want about me, I know I get respect for what I write here, as do the rest of the posters on this thread.  You on the other hand, embarass yourself tremendously.  Stop talking about me when i&#039;m not even present on the site, i&#039;m starting to believe you have a crush on me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I come back from a meeting to see igs is still spewing nonsense.  You can say what you want about me, I know I get respect for what I write here, as do the rest of the posters on this thread.  You on the other hand, embarass yourself tremendously.  Stop talking about me when i&#8217;m not even present on the site, i&#8217;m starting to believe you have a crush on me.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete57</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for the record, 27 of the players on the Patriots active roster were free agents, or trades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for the record, 27 of the players on the Patriots active roster were free agents, or trades.</p>
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