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Newsday.com’s Bob Glauber got an interesting quote today from Rex Ryan during today’s press conference. To set it up, Bart Scott had some sarcastic words for the Dolphins and Rex made it known yesterday that he thought they played the better game (in two phases). Tony Dungy had some common sense wisdom last night on Football Night in America for Rex Ryan which it seems, Ryan doesn’t truck with.
Said Dungy on last night’s NBC highlights show: “My mother used to say, ‘When you win, say very little. When you lose, say less. Bart Scott said too much today. When a team beats you twice, give them credit and go home…And I have to disagree with Rex Ryan, they didn’t outplay Miami. Miami’s got three-return touchdowns. That’s part of the game. They’ve got more points than you do.”
I relayed Dungy’s comments to Ryan during today’s press conference, and he gave it right back to the former Colts and Bucs head coach.
“I was brought up differently,” said Ryan, the son of outspoken head coach Buddy Ryan. “That’s just it. I respect everybody, but I fear nobody. My thing is we’re not going to get anywhere by tiptoeing. That’s how I feel about it. People can take offense to it, that’s fine and dandy. I’m not going to change who I am or how I coach because Tony Dungy says something. I respect him, but I’m going to be who I am. I’ve said that from day one.”
Fair enough Rex, but from where I’m sitting you’re becoming harder to defend. If your team is so much better and you are already talking Super Bowl, how come you’re 2-3 in games against sub .500 teams?.
It looks as though to me this team can beat any team, however they can lose to any team. They need to be more consistent and believe no one is inferior to them. Go into every game like you need to prove something.
This guy is going to get it. YEAH!!! SOMEONE IS REALLY SHOVE THIS BALL DOWN HIS THROAT!!!!
REX RYAN YOU ARE NOT A NFL COACH. YOU ARE A PIECE OF GARBAGE. YOUR COACHING FAMILY WAS NEVER SUCCESSFULL, YOU CANNOT KEEP YOUR WORD AND YOU WILL FAIL MISERABLY!!!!!
Glad to have you on board, fonzie.
Let’s get a grip..
Rex Ryan is a significant upgrade from Mangini.. I love Herm Edwards too, and i say Rex is an upgrade over him too…
Rex runs his mouth, we love it when we win..
We hate it when we lose.. (based on reading these threads weekly)..
I’ll admit, I hate when the team talks junk and we lose. I think at some point you need your actions to speak louder than words but I don’t hold it against Rex and the players.
I think people would loose respect for him if he changed his attitude. The media would then judge Rex for being two-faced and not knowing who he really is. I love Rex as the coach of the Jets and I’ll back him and the team no matter what.
By the way, shouldn’t Dungy be at a Michael Vick press conference or something. Or maybe giving a sound bite about Vick. Just because he fell into a perfect situation with Peyton Manning doesn’t make him the end all be all of public opinion. He’s far from perfect, on and off the field, and shouldn’t act like he is. He is a tired act.
I am confused why Ryan should be quiet?? He thinks his team is a good team and totally changed the face of the defense when he came on board. Why stop now becasue you lost some tough AFC East games?
He disagrees with Dungy and makes the same outspoken comments he has been making since June.
I like the guy we have and do not mind the fact that he is cocky or arrogant that he thinks he can change this team around.
Always nice to see fonzie pop in during a tough loss…. he is like Christmas morning
Bassett:
“Fair enough Rex, but from where I’m sitting you’re becoming harder to defend.’
THAT SAYS IT ALL!!!!!!!
He thinks because his father was arrogant, loud mouth and classless, it’s fine and dandy for his son to be too.
HEY REX, TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR TWIN, HE HAS CLASS AND IS FUNNY TOO !!!!
Hank?
Rob has class? That must be why he was in a sideline screaming/cursing match with Jay Cutler after the Browns’ goaline stand against the Broncos on Sunday. Your constant Rex hating is making my eyes bleed.
I like Tony dungy a lot. He is who he is and it worked for him. Eventually. But he was also often criticized by the press, before he one the big one, for not being emotional or demonstrative enough. Thankfully, he didn’t take the rotten bait.
We just had a coach who was so busy trying to be the guy he used to work for that he lost track of what he needed to do to succeed, as himself, with the team he had.
When you lose in New York the media will attack you for whatever they can get their inky hands on, what you say, where you go, who you sleep with, what you eat… Fair enough. I just hope Ryan doesn’t fall into the same trap Dungy avoided, even though he’s the one tossing out the banana peel this time.
The only thing relating to likability I care about in a coach is that his players are willing to lay it all out on the line for him. When his players stop wanting to play for him, I’l be at the front of the “Rex Must Go,” line. Until then, I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt so he can keep learning the rest of the job.
Brendan:
I’ve got an equation, see where Im wrong:
SWAGGERLICIOUS + WINS = ARROGANCE
Now today
SWAGGERLICIOUS – WINS = HORSES’ ASS
Why is everyone saying they love ryan better then mangini what has ryan done!
Before he *won* the big one that is.
subwayfare:
Take a look at the OTHER 31 NFL Coaches and name ONE that has put his FOOT IN HIS MOUTH from DAY ONE? That should tell you something !!
Why do you guys always soo blinded as to refuse to see the whole picture? Could it be from drinking all the Media Koolaide.
reality jet fan:
You must understand that most Jet followers are not fans, they are wagoneers. They are the mice blindly following the PIper Media.
So jet fans can only be positive pompom waving fans?
Reality Jet Fan,
What did Mangini ever do?
Rex is a character and he’s become the lightning rod for his team. Maybe that’s his intent? I mean, Shonn Greene had a terrible fumble because he failed to secure the ball, something that kids learn in Pop Warner. Izzo and Fowler failed to wrap up a guy with the leg strength of a flamingo. Faneca is playing arguably his worst season as a pro. Our blocking TE may have cost the Jets 2 wins. But, what are we all talking about? Whether Rex Ryan’s brash talk is right or wrong? I guess it’s style, I like Rex’s talk…does it seem like a karmic boomerang in losses? Sure, was it twice as sweet in big wins? You betcha!
He’s 8 games into his tenure as HC and he has a rookie QB. In dissimilar circumstances (because he initially started Warner), Coughlin led the Giants to a 6-10 record with Eli as a rookie. Even though I thought Coughlin’s disciplinary rules were BS, the press just lapped it up. Ryan, who will likely have more success than Coughlin did and with a rookie all season, has been viciously criticized since his first loss.
Bassett, why is it so hard to defend Rex? The Jets need to win, educate a rookie and change the loser mentality that has permeated the franchise. Edwards’ quasi-Dungy style didn’t work, Mangini’s quasi-BB style didn’t work and now we have a guy who has his own style. With all the things Rex has had to deal with: install a new defense, educate a rookie QB, deal with the loss of the most important players on offense and defense, and find his way as an HC, isn’t 4-4 remarkable? No, I guess not because Rex talks too much. What a pity, even when we Jets fans have the right winning infrastructure, we still try to tear it down.
hank/naples-
The Media Kool Aide? The common thread in the current media spin cycle is that Rex is a bust, it’s over for him. Eight games in at 4-4 and he’s the primary reason for all the team’s shortcomings, he should be fired at once. That’s the Kool Aide being served at the open bar this week, belly up, grab a glass, it’s tasty.
Hank,
So Rob Ryan has justified his “classy” behavior, as you put it, by winning? Hasn’t he been a coordinator for two of the worst franchises in football recently? Kind of hypocritical of you to say that.
Athletes are a fragile breed. Their confidence is their biggest asset. WIthout confidence, they’re a shell of themselves and are basically useless. If you step on that field NOT thinking you’re one bad ass muthaf***a then you’re gonig to get your ass handed to you, plain and simple. This team gets it’s confidence from talking. I don’t care how they get it, but they need it and Rex supplies it in spades.
Mangini did nothing exactly the same as rex ryan.
Honestly when i think back to manginis first year i do not remember him making such stupid mistakes as ryan has so far.
Hank, I also like how all optimistic jets fans are “wagoneers”. God forbid we don’t chastise the head coach and worship at the Mangini/Pennington Altar of Mediocrity.
Mangini finished his 3 years here with a sub .500 record, that’s all you need to remember about him.
Branden:
I hate to say this to you but, class has absolutely NOTHING to do with winning or losing, and everything to do with upbringing.
It exudes (sufraces) when an athlete ( or anyone with class) experiences either of those.
Case in point: Chadwick Pennington (even the name exudes class)
subwayfare:
I normally respect your opinion, but this time you are completely off base.
You must be reading Newspapers in Stalingrad because I havent seen one stateside calling for Rex to be fired!!
I’m a New Yorker, the “wannasee” State.
“HEY REX, TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR TWIN, HE HAS CLASS AND IS FUNNY TOO !!!!”
To which I responded: “Rob has class? That must be why he was in a sideline screaming/cursing match with Jay Cutler after the Browns’ goaline stand against the Broncos on Sunday. Your constant Rex hating is making my eyes bleed.”
To which you responded: “Brendan:
I’ve got an equation, see where Im wrong:
SWAGGERLICIOUS + WINS = ARROGANCE
Now today
SWAGGERLICIOUS – WINS = HORSES’ ASS”
So wins only matter in how you’re perceived, but isn’t class all about perception? And you bring up Rex’s brother as a classy guy, and then when I refute that, you abandon that point. You’ll shape an argument any way you can to try and make Rex look foolish, but you just end up seeming petty.
Brendan is absolutely owning Hank right now…
hank/naples-
Mike Francesa, as far as I know, has been the only one actually coming close to calling for Ryan’s job, but virtually every local story this week has been definitively negative, including the articles on this blog. The worm turns fast in the big apple. The bandwagoneers are on a tight schedule looking for the next easy ride.
Brendan:
Perception is all about the image you want to PROJECT, how you handle youself and things you say under all different circumstances and conditions.
The image Rex has chosen to projet is one Just like his fathers’, while Rob has chosen a totally different one, one which his father admits comes from different stock. Buddy sees his two sons as different personnas.
I can tell you that Rob has never (that I know of) been brought on the carpet by the press for putting his foot in his mouth for being a horses’ ass.
Mangini did a great job year one. He had the Jets prepared to win every game and with a healthy, motivated Chad and a weak record, the Jets made the playoffs. He just never followed up on that promise. His second year was ruined by Chad’s injuries and a weak OL. He also came up with one of the great Jets game plans of all time when the Jets beat the Steelers in ‘07. But, Mangini was awful in ‘08. The guy was out-coached down the stretch and his inability to make in-game adjustments just killed the Jets. I thought he needed a year away from the NFL or a stint as a coordinator. But, Cleveland just gave him the keys to the franchise, which just emboldened him. If he learned anything from BB or Parcells it’s that sometimes you have to treat your star players differently. Letting Kellen Winslow and Braylon Edwards go just makes no sense. The Browns will need all those picks to try to replace guys that they already drafted in the first round and are still young. IMO, Mangini took a team that had a core of young and talented players and gutted it, especially on offense. IMO, he has screwed with the confidence of both his young QBs and his defense needs major reconstructive surgery. I just hope that the Jets end up getting Shaun Rogers when Mangini gets rid of him, too.
Hank,
That would be because Rob has never been the head coach of a team. Did we ever, EVER, hear anything about Rex’s talking before he became a head coach? No.
So until Rob gets a head coaching gig and lights the world on fire with it, save the comparisons.
subwayfare:
I didnot get to hear his show, and Franncesa, from what I remmber, is a blowhard !!.
But you are right, ” the worm turn fast in the Big Apple”.
But What I can say is that it’s been a long time comming.
Sometimes eating a little crow can make humble pie taste better.
I hope Rex doesnt change a thing about himself…learns from the typical rookie head coach mistakes he is making…wins a bunch games for us so he can shove it up Mike F’s anus and all the other meddling, petty, miserable Jet fans who hang on his every word so they can criticize; themselves never been close to the fire of the sideline, been on a TEAM of any kind and knowing the value of having your guys back….and I am a wagoneer, back when Mangini was fired/ Rex was hired, Hank was saying he was the only coach he would be on board with was Rex Ryan, get Bent or Bassett to look it up, now the guy is changing his tune, the man is absolutley full of excrement
Brendan:
So you are telling me that because Rob has not been a head coach he has NOT had a chance to put his foot in his mouth, while Rex, because is IS a HC, has his shoe/mouth size down to a science?
Then, Brendan, what about the hundreds of pressers that Rob has held as DC? I guess they don’t count? Yeah right !!!!
hank/naples-
I’ve seen enough positives that I’d just like to see the guy get a chance to figure it out. Heck, you’re still giving your guy a chance and he’s coaching five hundred miles away in a different color outfit ;)
Hank,
When did you hear about Rex when he was a coordinator. He had pressers too, didn’t he? Coordinators don’t make headline news, head coaches do. You’re trying to base an argument on factless statements, like Rob Ryan is a classy guy because you don’t have any dirt on him. Then you just type in “Rob Ryan Jay Cutler” into google and you get this:
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bears-game-day/2009/11/jay-cutler-and-rob-ryan-talking-trash-video.html
Yeah, because coordinators who do that on 1-7 teams down by 25 points are alllllll class.
Bent:
Hey Bent, where are you when I need you?
Come out of hiding, It has been two days now since your “Tragedy” Sunday, get over it !!
subwayfare:
it’s great to show a little civility and class even when you are discussing an emotional subject, unlike some A holes (fans and Media)
And you are right it is wrong to demand this guy to be fired !!!. It will be an injustice to the players and the fans. Besides I don’t think TanWoody can hire a better coach for the Jets right now.
The problem is I don’t think this guy is smart enough to learn some class, JUST LIKE HIS FATHER !!!!!!
The only time there was real success was when we had bill parcells. I didnt want mangini or ryan i wanted a proven head coach with a ring or two but i believe tannenbaum(overated) didnt allow that to happen. And ryan could end up nbelow 500
Give me a break. What has Ryan said that’s so arrogant? He came in saying he was going to be himself- outspoken, shoot-from-the-hip, and confident. I would have a real problem if he did a 180 and just shut up when he was losing and yapped when they won. I think he’s done a nice job of dialing it down while maintaining that he has confidence in the talent on this team.
The team has shown up ready to play every week except maybe MIA version 1. They’ve played hard for him and clearly his defensive scheme HAS been working. The 2 things you could criticize Rex for so far are poor clock/challenge management- hopefully will come with time (though it never did for Herm and many others)- and overall too many presnap penalties. Let’s see how the 2nd issue progresses as Sanchez gets more comfortable under center, and maybe Rex needs to find someone he trusts to delegate those other issues to.
reality jet fan,
Really? It wasn’t Woody Johnson vacationing wherever the hell he was that made Cowher decide he didn’t want to coach us?
His overconfidence in his team is costing them games.
SackDance 99,
You are wrong my friend. Mangini is in the process of getting his players who have his resolve and his mentality of focus, discipline, and character. Mangini now has to struggle dealing away with players who don’t listen and follow his direction. These players include Rogers, Dqwell Jackson, Brady Quinn, and Derek Anderson. That is not the same when he came into New York. Mangini would never have the chance to build his team his way in New York because New York is “I WANT NOW, I NEED NOW, NOW!!!, NOW!!!, NOW!!!” Well winning teams are not built overnight. Fortunately Mangini doesn’t have to deal with an owner (mind you that has characteristics like the Jets, Redskins, Cowboys, and Raiders) whose initial response when his ideas blow up in his face is the pinkslip. Doesn’t that remind you of FARVE last year? All the hype, all the money just to stink up the place the last five weeks of last season and to show how inept and classless he is. Mangini doesn’t need to have an exuberance of talent on his team. He doesn’t need the Yankees mentality for that matter. He needs to build and root up from the players he drafts and picks off the street.
When Mangini came to New York he was fortunate to have players like Pennington and Ellis who were hand picked by Parcells (who thinks like Mangini not the same personality however) and helped mold the jets young and inexperienced players into a strong unit.
fonzie,
You can not seriously be comparing Bill Parcells to Eric Mangini! That might be the most moronic statement ever. Mangini traded away the Browns most talented offensive player (Braylon Edwards) for scrubs. He traded away the chance to draft Sanchez for a 2nd round pick and some more scrubs. He benched Brady Quinn for a worse quarterback (if thats possible) in Derek Anderson. 5 of his players were/are filing grievances against him. His players have already given up on him. He is THE WORST coach in the NFL BY FAR. His team plays no offense or defense, and have only gotten worse as the season has progressed. The Browns will NEVER have a winning season as long as Mangini is there, mark my words.
Parcells has 2 Super Bowl rings and is one of the best coaches ever to coach. Mangini isn’t even fir to coach a college team, thats how bad he is. The fact that you still worship Mangini despite how terribly he has done in Cleveland blows my mind.
SD99 is dead on.
“Mangini doesn’t need to have an exuberance of talent on his team. ”
Yeah, because clearly he can do more with less….
Simply stunning.
Mangini gave us the foundation to be an above average team. Since we can never say how involved he was in drafting and acquiring the players we have today, give him some credit for that.
But that is only a fraction of what you need to be a good coach.
Many of his failings were the result of unsuccessful attempts at emulating Parcells and Belichick
He paid attention to detail- but they were often the wrong details.
He was unconventional- when the instance called for conventionality.
He came up with brilliant game plans- but often they were plans that could not be adjusted.
fonzie,
Like I said, Parcells and BB know how to treat talented ballplayers differently. LT was not a Parcells-type of player, neither was Brian Cox nor Keyshawn. Yet, he found a way to work with them and his teams prospered. Guys like Winslow and Edwards are hard to replace and having to replace them has set the Browns back. Mangini may be able to get his guys, but the NFL is not a league of choirboys and, in any event, by getting rid of guys like Edwards and Winslow, Mangini has to replace them AND redo his defense. He just made a 1-2 year rebuilding job a 5 year ordeal.
I’m not defending Mangini, mainly because I don’t care anymore, but trading Edwards and Winslow was smart. Edwards was going to run once his contract was up and Winslow regularly bashed the organization. Should they have gotten more for them? Maybe, but they didn’t want to be there and had no motivation. Might as well get something for them and not have them moping around the locker room.
Tannenbaum never would have allowed johnson to go near cowher because he wouldve been hc and gm and howgreat that wouldve been.
Fonzie
How ignorant you are- Lerner is exactly the type of owner “whose initial response when his ideas blow up in his face is the pinkslip.” He signed Chudinski (spelling not sure) to be one of the highest paid O cord in the league after Braylon and Derek A had a breakout year. Only to fire him the next season. Also Lerner use to own MBMA, a company a good friend of mine worked for and that made tons of money. The man ran that good money making company straight into the ground by doing exactly what you said he doesnt do. You blindly follow and make excuses for a man who is on his last legs. You and your father live in your own fantasy world where you know more than everyone else, your ignorance of how a football team actually works is self- described as “not drinking the kool-aid” and the same rules you kill the guys you dont like, dont apply to the ones you do. It really is a joke, but I want to hear you spin it and make excues in a year or two when Eric Mangini is coaching in high school…
Tannenbaum doesn’t allow Johnson to do anything, it works the other way around, seeing how Johnson owns the team.
I always thought being a “Fan” was like a marriage…for better or worse. It sucks that some fans are only loyal when we win, being so quick to judge and flip flop their opinions. If the Jets are the “same old Jets”, maybe the fans are “the same old sorryass fans”. Hey I get being frustrated, and know when disapointments are often the love can fade. That is why we have divorce. So if you don’t like the marriage, get out and go find your true love…hopefully not in the same division. If you are obsessed with the “win now” mentality Daniel Snyder, owner of the Redskins is your kind of owner…oh yeah and that philosophy has worked Wonders for his team.
SackDance99, on November 3rd, 2009 at 10:43 am Said:
Rex is a character and he’s become the lightning rod for his team. Maybe that’s his intent? I mean, Shonn Greene had a terrible fumble because he failed to secure the ball, something that kids learn in Pop Warner. Izzo and Fowler failed to wrap up a guy with the leg strength of a flamingo. Faneca is playing arguably his worst season as a pro. Our blocking TE may have cost the Jets 2 wins. But, what are we all talking about? Whether Rex Ryan’s brash talk is right or wrong? I guess it’s style, I like Rex’s talk…does it seem like a karmic boomerang in losses? Sure, was it twice as sweet in big wins? You betcha!
He’s 8 games into his tenure as HC and he has a rookie QB. In dissimilar circumstances (because he initially started Warner), Coughlin led the Giants to a 6-10 record with Eli as a rookie. Even though I thought Coughlin’s disciplinary rules were BS, the press just lapped it up. Ryan, who will likely have more success than Coughlin did and with a rookie all season, has been viciously criticized since his first loss.
Bassett, why is it so hard to defend Rex? The Jets need to win, educate a rookie and change the loser mentality that has permeated the franchise. Edwards’ quasi-Dungy style didn’t work, Mangini’s quasi-BB style didn’t work and now we have a guy who has his own style. With all the things Rex has had to deal with: install a new defense, educate a rookie QB, deal with the loss of the most important players on offense and defense, and find his way as an HC, isn’t 4-4 remarkable? No, I guess not because Rex talks too much. What a pity, even when we Jets fans have the right winning infrastructure, we still try to tear it down.
Excellent, excellent post. Rex has alot on his plate and although he’s made some mistakes i think he’ll learn from them and improve as a coach. I love what he’s done with this defense and i have alot of confidence in this team and in ryan going forward. So what if he talks alot? If we made a tackle on ginn or if greene held onto the ball, and if harstock doesn’t hold in OT this would probably be a non-issue right now.
SD:
The problem with Parcells was that he had TWO sets of RULES ! One for LT and the other for the rest of the team. I met LT in the mid nineties, also met his “partners in crime” so to speak, and I can tell you that LT got away with murder and Parcells looked the other way. So much so, that it appeared Parcells was afraid of disciplining LT.
Everyone in Hackensack, Rutherford even Patterson knew of Taylors wicked ways, missing curfew meetings because he was to stoned.
I find it impossible to believe one knew except Parcells, yeah right !!! It wasn’t untill the questions stater flying in public and in the press that Pacell made everyone tow the line. It wasn’t ’till then that LT entered rehab and the arrests started. Everything went down hill from there.
Parcells learned his lessons about applying different rules.
Mangini, on the other hand is quite the opposite and let me tell you emphatically, EVERYONE, ALL Browns fans are happy that KW2 along with his buddy Edwards are gone from the team !!!
TO TALK OR NOT TO TALK. WHO CARES!! JUST LEAD REX. JUST LEAD!!!
So Browns fans would rather have Massoquai and 3 picks (rounds 3, 5, & 5) instead of Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow, both of whom were top 10 first rounders? Oh….that makes sense.
Sorry…can’t leave out the immortal Justin Trusnik and Chansey Stuckey. out of that package.
Brendan- What would be the point if they put in no effort? Gholston is a top ten pick and I’d gladly trade him for a 2nd rounder (If the cap wouldn’t eat us alive.) Winslow is overrated and Braylon was running for the door. Would Browns fans rather have had nothing while they faked injuries?
Brendan:
Hey, don’t laugh, Trusnik got a sack Sunday in limited time.
I know Browns fans, quite a few actually (my cousin married into a Cleveland family….and mother of God they are the most desperate sports fans on planet F’ing Earth) so I’m basing this off of them.
Winslow- Would be the best TE in the league (by far) with a worthwhile QB throwing to him. He’s been thrown to by: Jeff garcia, Luke McCown, Kelly Holcumb, Trent Dilfer, Charlie Frye, Derek Anderson, Ken Dorsey, Brady Quinn, Brad Gostkowski, Byron Leftwich (2009 edition), Josh Johnson and Josh Freeman. Tell me one QB from that list you’d let start on your team.
Edwards- Game changer who got tired of the losing culture, butted heads with the new regime, and wanted out. These fans I know don’t even blame him. They would still rather have him than what they got for him though.
“While the jury is still out because we have 3 picks, none of us have faith Mangini will turn them into worthwhile players, so no…we’re not confident in these trades”
Brendan:
I hope you and your cohorts stop laughing and or putting pins in Mangini Voodoo Dolls long enough to see what happens AFTER the BYE.
REMEMBER:” He who laughs last can sometimes laugh best”
Oh, you’re going to rely on the whole “Mangini after the bye” concept. True, there is substance to that claim, he went 6-2 his first year after the bye. But int he past two seasons he has gone 10-9 after the bye. Not exactly earth rattling numbers. So what should I be preparing for? Browns might go 2-6 the rest of the way!? Woooooo boy feel the excitement!
Do bad QBs explain Winslow being a jerk or multiple injuries? Anderson had a pro bowl year in there.
Sorry, but letting Edwards walk out of town without gaining anything would have been horrible business. By the time they traded him we all knew the Browns were going nowhere.
Sorry Brendan. I mean no offense, but not trading them wasn’t even an option and I think your friends should remember this is a business. If you mouthed off like Winslow, your boss would fire you. I’m sure a boss would love to get a chance at a solid replacement as they got rid of you.
If they want to look at dumb Cleveland ideas look at how they had Sabbathia and Lee, but couldn’t do anything. The town produces losers at an alarming rate.
Sorry I lived in Ohio for a while and listening to Browns fans whine constantly was annoying to say the least.
Brendan:
I don’t know what is going to happen after the bye
However I DO KNOW.that Mangini has had a HERCULIAN EFFORT trying to turn a losing team arround, a failing franchise arround and a CITY with a losing Culture arround !!!!
An all this while swimming in a SHARK INFESTED MEDIA pool with twisted (chucky)freaks as fans !!
Anderson was still not a good QB that season. And I get what you’re saying about him being a jerk and getting hurt, but the fact remains that Winslow is a special talent. He is an all-around tight end who is elite in his pass catching ability. I realize the Edwards situation got so toxic they had to get rid of him, but why would they wait in a situation where they were almost certainly going to let him walk after the season (or knew he wouldn’t stay).
I’m just trying to get Hank to realize that his all-knowing all-world all-everything coaching phenom up in Cleveland is mis-managing his rebuilding process. Yeah, he has accumulated picks with trades, but they weren’t nearly as high in value as they shuold have been. 3rd and 5th from us? or a 2nd and 3rd from the Gmen before the season?
But we can all agree that Cleveland is a black hole of sports winning culture and hopefully Bron gets jettisoned to our lovely city by this time next season.
Hank,
How long are we going to lean on the media crutch? Maybe they’re just brutally honest that Mangini is not getting full value in his trades and while he may be cleaning house, he’s becoming a far less talented team (and I don’t want to hear “it worked in New England” because they have a QB who is 10000000000x better than the pu pu platter that the Browns have).
I think the Browns hoped for a shot at the playoffs and kept Braylon, because the man can play. Once they realized how bad they sucked they had a fire sale. I’m sure they would have preferred the 2nd rounder.
As for Mangini, I liked him but he should never have gone straight to Cleveland. Dumb career move.
JAGG:
The whole move is predicated on if the Media allows him the time to finish what he started. At least 1-2 years.
You must understand that historically every new football staff is given 3-4 years to complete their work.
Mangini will show very positive results in half that time. Mark my words!!!
And like I said, he would have had to turn team, franchise and CITY arround.
Hank said
“I find it impossible to believe one knew except Parcells, yeah right !!! It wasn’t untill the questions stater flying in public and in the press that Pacell made everyone tow the line. It wasn’t ’till then that LT entered rehab and the arrests started. Everything went down hill from there.
Parcells learned his lessons about applying different rules.”
Absolutely wrong again. Read Bill Parcells book “The Winner Within” where he talks about the situation. He absolutely says that LT had and still would have had a different set of rules. He goes out of his way to say how he treats EVERYONE differently from the way he approached Phill Simms to Jeff Hostetler.
Cleveland was going to be a steep uphill battle for anyone. Mangini probably should have passed but how many people have the ability to walk away from 12 million bucks?
I think Mangini might actually be the new Pete Carroll. His approach would work better with younger guys he could reach earlier and develop from the ground up. I just don’t think he’s had enough NFL success to get cynical, rich, stars to entirely change their philosophy and value system. Belichick had Giants SB rings to wave around and Cleveland still almost sunk him. And he might not have pulled it off in NE if he hadn’t stumbled into Tom Brady.
hey rex ur right you have a better record then the dolphins by 1 game but the phins have a better record then you in the division by 2 1/2 games. are you still upset Sanchez stole ur hotdog?
subwayfare:
I believe Mangini is a great manager learning to be a great coach. I firmly believe that he would be a better GM than HC but that still remains to be seen.
While your observation that Mangini may make a better college than Pro coach, although that may prove true, however, I remember that Carroll’s fault was somewhat similar to Edwards, that he treated most of his players as long lost personal friends. That proved to be their downfall.
This is the opposite of Mangini in that he manages by the book !!
Hank with regards to Eric Mangini
“I firmly believe that he would be a better GM than HC but that still remains to be seen.”
Finally, I completely agree with something this guy said!!!!
hank/naples-
I agree with your assessment of Carroll’s NFL head coaching approach and should have been clearer that I didn’t think that Mangini’s was similar. I think Mangini could be more successful in college for slightly different reasons.
I get the sense Mangini believes he has to have a very specific type of player in order to make his system work. He’s not the kind of coach that, “Can take his’n and beat your’n and take your’n and beat his’n,” as Bum Phillips famously said about Don Shula. It’s hard to collect a roster full of very specific types in the NFL. You just don’t get the time to completely rebuild a roster anymore, with the contracts what they are and the pressure to win now.
He’d probably even end up happier running a college program, as Pete Carroll did.
he’s an average coach who’s produced average results with an above-average team. in my book, that’s the worst possible outcome for a headcoach.
Dali Lama Dungy can go screw himself and Bob Glauber can wipe his A$$ with that crap he’s writing.
Yeah, it sucks! But, it ain’t Rex. He tamed the wildcat by the tail. Fact is, Ted Ginn stepped up and Westhoff’s unit took a knee this week.
subwayfare:
Besides other correct points you highlighted,the one that I find encapsutes the whole argument is when you said :
“You just don’t get the time to completely rebuild a roster anymore, with the contracts what they are and the pressure to win now.”
That absolutely says it all !!!
The only thing is I would like to add one comment:
The absolute pressure to win NOW……..created by the RAG MEDIA to sell themselves. There are no sport reporters anymore, there are only slanted, opinionated, incendiary rag pushers All claiming to be Pulitzer Prize Journalists !!!
subwayfare:
Besides several correct points you highlighted, the one that I find encapsulates the whole argument is when you said :
“You just don’t get the time to completely rebuild a roster anymore, with the contracts what they are and the pressure to win now.”
That absolutely says it all !!!
The only thing is, I would like to add to that one comment:
The absolute pressure to win NOW……..created by the RAG MEDIA to sell themselves. There are no sport reporters anymore, there are only slanted, opinionated, incendiary rag pushers. All claiming to be Pulitzer Prize Journalists !!!
Eddie Digio,
You are WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! A winner within is not Bill Parcells book. It is Pat Riley’s. He used the “game theory” ideas abstractly put together by a famous mathematician in 1940 to help motivate and inspire his Lakers and Knicks team. Keep your helmet on buddy!!! No one listens to you.
Pat Riley used the ideas from the mathematician and his own creative ways to win and sometimes lose. In the end he was very effective with his planning.
Finding a Way to Win was Bill Parcells Book Eddie. Besides he says there isn’t any magic potions to win football games. Well I can agree isn’t that what Mangini preaches. Communication, focus, finish. Well if you heard Paul Pasquolini the defensive coordinator of the dolphins late in the fourth quarter when the jets had the ball you could read his lips. The words were “Lets go… Come on lets finish. FINISH. FINISH!!!”