Comments on: Link: It’s Not About Upbringing

By: fonzie

fonzie — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:29:36 +0000

Finding a Way to Win was Bill Parcells Book Eddie. Besides he says there isn’t any magic potions to win football games. Well I can agree isn’t that what Mangini preaches. Communication, focus, finish. Well if you heard Paul Pasquolini the defensive coordinator of the dolphins late in the fourth quarter when the jets had the ball you could read his lips. The words were “Lets go… Come on lets finish. FINISH. FINISH!!!”

By: fonzie

fonzie — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:26:08 +0000

Pat Riley used the ideas from the mathematician and his own creative ways to win and sometimes lose. In the end he was very effective with his planning.

By: fonzie

fonzie — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:24:25 +0000

Eddie Digio,

You are WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! A winner within is not Bill Parcells book. It is Pat Riley’s. He used the “game theory” ideas abstractly put together by a famous mathematician in 1940 to help motivate and inspire his Lakers and Knicks team. Keep your helmet on buddy!!! No one listens to you.

By: hank/naples

hank/naples — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:22:53 +0000

subwayfare:

Besides several correct points you highlighted, the one that I find encapsulates the whole argument is when you said :

“You just don’t get the time to completely rebuild a roster anymore, with the contracts what they are and the pressure to win now.”

That absolutely says it all !!!

The only thing is, I would like to add to that one comment:

The absolute pressure to win NOW……..created by the RAG MEDIA to sell themselves. There are no sport reporters anymore, there are only slanted, opinionated, incendiary rag pushers. All claiming to be Pulitzer Prize Journalists !!!

By: hank/naples

hank/naples — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:20:27 +0000

subwayfare:

Besides other correct points you highlighted,the one that I find encapsutes the whole argument is when you said :

“You just don’t get the time to completely rebuild a roster anymore, with the contracts what they are and the pressure to win now.”

That absolutely says it all !!!

The only thing is I would like to add one comment:

By: Dean Barbella

Dean Barbella — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:19:09 +0000

Dali Lama Dungy can go screw himself and Bob Glauber can wipe his A$$ with that crap he’s writing.

Yeah, it sucks! But, it ain’t Rex. He tamed the wildcat by the tail. Fact is, Ted Ginn stepped up and Westhoff’s unit took a knee this week.

By: pissed

pissed — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:19:06 +0000

he’s an average coach who’s produced average results with an above-average team. in my book, that’s the worst possible outcome for a headcoach.

By: subwayfare

subwayfare — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:30:56 +0000

hank/naples-

I agree with your assessment of Carroll’s NFL head coaching approach and should have been clearer that I didn’t think that Mangini’s was similar. I think Mangini could be more successful in college for slightly different reasons.

I get the sense Mangini believes he has to have a very specific type of player in order to make his system work. He’s not the kind of coach that, “Can take his’n and beat your’n and take your’n and beat his’n,” as Bum Phillips famously said about Don Shula. It’s hard to collect a roster full of very specific types in the NFL. You just don’t get the time to completely rebuild a roster anymore, with the contracts what they are and the pressure to win now.

He’d probably even end up happier running a college program, as Pete Carroll did.

By: Eddie DiGio

Eddie DiGio — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 02:02:54 +0000

Hank with regards to Eric Mangini
“I firmly believe that he would be a better GM than HC but that still remains to be seen.”

Finally, I completely agree with something this guy said!!!!

By: hank/naples

hank/naples — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:58:39 +0000

subwayfare:

I believe Mangini is a great manager learning to be a great coach. I firmly believe that he would be a better GM than HC but that still remains to be seen.

While your observation that Mangini may make a better college than Pro coach, although that may prove true, however, I remember that Carroll’s fault was somewhat similar to Edwards, that he treated most of his players as long lost personal friends. That proved to be their downfall.

This is the opposite of Mangini in that he manages by the book !!