Link: Leads the Lead in Encouragement
Want to hear something to make your blood boil? Take it away, Peter King!
When running backs coach Kennedy Pola and coach Jack Del Rio told Jones-Drew to take a knee at the one-yard line if he got that far, he said, “Really?” And they explained why: The Jets were without timeouts, and if he could get to the one and then the Jags could bleed the clock, they could kick a field goal and go home with the win.
So on the next play, Jones-Drew burst through the middle — unbeknownst to him, the Jets were instructed to not tackle — and went down by himself at the one. A couple of Jets yelled, “C’mon! Score!” Said Jones-Drew: “The Jets guys were laughing. One of them said, ‘Why’d you do that?’ ” The Jags let the clock run down, and Josh Scobee kicked the winning field goal at the gun.
Now that’s what I call a fearsome swaggerlicious defense, laughing with and encouraging your opponent to get up and score. Nice work, fellas.
UPDATE: I’m seeing a lot of your comments as I’ve been away here for a bit. It’s not the letting MJD score that frustrated me, it’s that the Jets were yukking it up with the opposition. If he’s not going to get up, rather than goading him to go against his coaches, rip the ball out of his hands, actually do something meaningful. That’s my reason for frustration.
They don’t care, we should we? Awful, just plain awful.
I wanted them to let him score. It was their best chance to win. Field Goals that short are 90+ pecentage. Get the ball back with about a 1:30-1:40 left and attempt to score a TD. Otherwise, they were going to do what they ended up doing, kneeling until an FG on the final play.
What MJD did, I recall Bryan Westbrook doing in a similar situation a few years ago. I also remember Holmgren allowing the Broncos to score a TD in the Super Bowl because it was his only chance to win.
Common guys…let’s not blow things out of proportion.
It was a bad loss, so were the other three against Miami and Buffalo but the truth of the matter is that this team- personnel and attitude wise- is going in the right direction. We have a young but taleneted QB, good WRs, good Rbs, good OL, good LBs, good DBs, and we need some help on the DL and EXPERIENCE.
We have lost four games while we had the lead in the fourth quarter. They have to learn how to close the deal..and it may take till next year.
That was there only chance of winning, letting MJD score, do not have a problem with that at all. What I do have a problem with is all the miss tackles, use of timeouts and the ineptness of Sanchez.
Has anyone seen Kerry Rhodes this year, does he still play for this team?
Personally, I think it would have been wiser if Rhodes let the receiver score on the big pass that set up the imminent field goal.
There’s no way that the receiver would have thought about downing it at the one yard like at that point, and the Jets would have had much more time to score again.
However, that obviously would have made Rhodes look incredibly bad. As soon as Rhodes tackled the receiver, the game was finished.
why is it making anyone angry? kneel or not, the game was OVER after the big catch a few plays earlier. Stop it. What, the Jet defenders should pull out a gun a-la Last Boy Scout or something?
BLAME REX RYAN AND SCHOTTENHEIMER for using a time out for 12 men on offense (that’s a terrible coaching blunder) before the TJ score. That’s the one time out we needed to try for a field goal late. Granted we could get a stop which didnt look likely.
Is it just me or has Kerry Rhoads exhausted all his goodwill earned in the 2006 season? Wow what a disappearing act he’s been pulling for 2 and a half seasons.
ugh…am I missing something here? We wanted to let him score.
There really isn’t room for sarcasm there. If MJD doesnt score, we lose. If MJD scores, we at least have a chance to do something. Certainly no need to rip our defense for laughing at MJD, I’d be pissed as all hell that he took the knee when I’m trying to let him score…of course you’re gonna rib him.
I’ve been supporting Rhodes here, and I think he gets an unfair criticism when his name doesn’t pop up in the box score (you can have a big impact without getting a stat (see: Kris Jenkins))
BUT…that was a really really bad blown coverage by Rhodes.
Comming from a fan of anohter team…
Here is the problem, it isn’t that the JETS lost. It is the the team tlaks way too much and over-rated itself and the FANs also over-rated this team.
You are nothing more than maybe a .500 team and until you do somethign you need to keep you mouth shut.
Yes – Rex brough some excitement over but he also open the door to speaking nonsense. You have to be able to back-up all the trash and it isn’t happening.
It is funny to hear JETS fan still tihnking the team still has the takent to win 11 games and that they are better than the Dolphins and the Bills.
You are not – good luck next year. Your season is over.
I amnot going to go crazy becasue the defense tried to let MJD score. I was shocked he held up from scoring.
it was a risky play on MJD/Jaguars part. If he pulled that and then they botched the kick or got the FG blocked they would have been second guessed for a decade.
The problem was the part of this team that was consistent let us down. We gave our defense the lead late in the 4th quater and they let a bad offense come down the field and win the game.
This is why we are not a consistent team. God I hate rooting so hard for an average team.
Of course Belichick has to keep a glimmer of hope for me by blowing last nights game. Why could he just put me out of my misery??
Rhodes how can you say “I don’t know if its humbling, but its pathetic.” WHATS WRONG WITH YOU??!!!! YOU ARE PATHETIC YOU ARE THE LAMEST EXECUSE FOR A SAFETY IN THE LEAGUE. You are SOFT and that adjective will always follow YOU!!!
These guys are a sorry football team.
I know about burning the second timeout. But what was the reason they burned the first timeout of the second half?
Enough of Kerry Rhodes. There’s an opportunity for salary cap room if there is a salary cap. I like Eric Smith
But guys, I’ve said it before, Rex Ryan is undisplined and unprepared every week. For “his” defense to come out after the break and play like they did is a disgrace. They were totally out coached in this game.
I actually thought Sanchez played good, even with the two interceptions.
I have been getting hammered here for trashing on Rhodes for the past month, but it looks like you are all coming around. ‘Hollywood’ thinks he is big time, but he hasn’t made a play in years, and has been getting abused in pass coverage this entire season.
No wonder Mangini started playing so passively defensively in the second half of the year, having Pace drop into coverage– his secondary (save Revis) was terrible!!
laughin at a loss? classy. I wouldn’t be surprised if hollywood was involved in this story either. shameful.
The only problem with just cutting Rhodes is that he’ll show it up New England with a coach that knows how to use him.
And Braylon Edwards, he has to catch that ball in the end zone on the 2 point play. Did he not expect to get hit.
This is why its important for the jets to take it one day, one play, one week at a time. I knew the jets were going into a tough physical game. Most of you guys (i won’t mention) thought we were going to steamroll over them. The jets players haven’t bought into “taking it one week, one practice, one game at a time”. They were talking about the playoffs before the season even began. The jets are hurting without a manager and coach like Mangini. Look even Dwight Lowery if you look closely the effects of Mangini. Mangini ran such a tight group that after he was fired “the pressure” was lifted off of some of the players. Lowery got a tattoo across his arm and since then he has improved a little bit but he has been affected by the Rex Ryan mentality of talking. He has Revis there as a mentor but does he really buy the five second rule anymore? He has his own personality but you can tell how messed up he is? He talks down about mangini after Mangini leaves. When you lose the authority people revert to their ways and sometimes it can hurt them. Players like Lowery who have matured fast in their lives may need the right guidance eventually because some situations are difficult to handle in life. Just because he matured fast doesn’t always give him the preparation to take on all the challenges. Mangini was the a teacher, a motivator, and a manager for the jets. Rex Ryan will never be the man Mangini is.
Knows how to use Rhodes? Wasn’t there a big deal made this year that Ryan was going to allow Hollywood to freelance and make plays on his own, what with Leonhard being the signal caller? No. Rhodes is soft, Rhodes is a dumb@ss, and Rhodes is lazy. For a guy who claims to be a smart football player, that was an awful blown coverage yesterday.
But to say the game came down to that is missing the point. Someone earlier brought up a a great point – the way this defense came out and played in the first half is inexcusable. Say what you will about Mangini, but his teams came out of the bye week playing like men possessed. Perhaps a six day vacation was a bad idea. Perhaps Ryan should have had them in Florham Park doing nothing but watching film and performing tackling drills. Awful job.
im ok with the jets season cause i see a qb doing pretty good and a defense growing and they will guys how about we switch with detriot lions and strafford would you be more happy.patriots lost nobody is going to run away suppose the jets win out the season how stupied will you feel wait till the end of the year to make your analysis maybe its not the jets is the media and same old negative fans these guys tried to come out with a different tone and as soon as they messed up you started loosing faith it seems we you are the same old negative fans even at the stadiam you could feel how everybody energy shifted if i owned the jets i wold move to another city so you fans could best up eachother and the stupied ny media that is worthless and should get a life i love my jets and hopefully rex and the team could tell you guys to **** off and focus on themselves and they will win
Peter King lambasted Bill Bellichek for going for it on a 4th and 2 at their own 23 yard line. Bellichek vs the Colts in the regular season was 8 for 12 in converting 4th downs. In the postseason Bellichek was 4 for 4 in converting 4th down attempts. King is pathetic, he applauded the Jags for running out the clock, bypassing an easy TD and kicking the game winning FG as time expired. If the FG attempt was blocked he would be the loudest critic of the Jags decision.
Braylon Edwards has been a good overall addition, minus that one fumble. But he can make any catch, and it looks like Sanchez can make any throw. Pairing the two was a good idea, with some attention coming off Cotchery. But the types of pass plays that come out of the sidelines are mind boggling, bootlegs, TE checkdowns, post routes that are obvious. I dont get it. Cant we run some basic slant routes and in/out routes? like TOM BRADY DOES? bread and butter of a passing game. Basic stuff.
Schottenheimer sucks. We need to rid ourselves of all things Mangini. Starting with Schottenheimer. And then Gholston when the cap allows it. Rhoads too. No more soft players and bumbling coordinators. I thought we were gonna be a smash mouth running team with a great defense. Hmmm, no. 2 in the league coming into the game on D, and no. 1 rushing team. And were 4-5. Coaching stinks right now.
Now, Ryan has time and room to grow, but Shottenheimer had how many seasons to show he sucks? 3 and a half?
Fonzie,
What does Lowery getting a tattoo have to do with anything? If he got it across his forehead, then I’d be worried about that.
I just can’t believe you’re still touting Mangini as the next big thing in coaching. You can’t seriously say he was more of a motivator than Rex is. And I saw no evidence of him being a gifted teacher to his players. We can all bash the Jets this week, and well deservedly, but you need to stop with this Mangini love-fest. The guy is not a good head coach for the NFL level. I honestly think he would be great in the College ranks, but he’s not made for the NFL.
And following up on fonzie, Rex isn’t disciplined. The Jets aren’t disciplined as an organization. just look at the press conferences and how they are allowed to reel out of control. Bart scott’s sarcasm after the Jets loss to Dolphins, Sanchez’s conference yesterday. Rex ryan dumping water on an assistant coach. All fun and games.
The players are playing in the Rex Ryan playground of fun. We all know that is a recipe for failure in the NFL.
One of the reasons that everyone is so disappointed is because you set your sights to high. With a rookie QB, rookie head coach, lots of personnel turnover on the field and the sidelines, you set your selves up if you bought into the preseason talk that the Jets coach and players were doing. The kind of change the Jets had takes time – meaning more than 1/2 a season – to evolve. This team is not the “same old Jets”. They are experiencing growing pains and that should not be surprising to any football fan.
I agree with Nikolas that the team is headed in the right direction. I’d just say that they, like the fans, need to get more realistic about where they are. I think they’ll start having more consistent success as soon as they stop thinking that week in/week out they are the best team in football. When they accept the fact that they are not and have some work to do off the field to get better, that will translate to success on the field.
Vinny, couldn’t agree more.
Who in their right mind decides that on the first play of the game to run that bootleg? Now, I understand the idea behind taking a shot on the first play, and I’m not against it at all. But when you have a rookie QB with a good arm, but by no means a powerful arm, roll to his non-throwing side to uncork a bomb (throwing across his body) then you’re asking for trouble. Why run the risk of having Sanchez’s confidence take a hit? Why not hand it off to your workhorse? I defended Schotty earlier this season because I thought a lot of his decisions were sitatuional-based, but he is just god awful at his play-calling, it’s official.
Not only did I think the Jets should have let MJD score, I think they made a mistake by not pushing him into the end zone before he was able to take the knee.
JPM
I was thinking the same exact thing….. All they ahd to do was push him in…. he kneeled down at the 6″ line
We are beginning to figure out why Ozzie Newsome hired Jim Harbaugh and didn’t promote Ryan.
Does anyone think we can walk into NE and win a big game against a damaged and angry New England team?
Anyone?
The dumbest thing about that King article was that he was actually shocked to feel that Belichick was acting in a “I’m smarter-than-you-hubris”…
Has he not been watching him his entire Patriots career?
Plus, King showed no respect to Manning. Belichick didn’t want to put the ball in Manning’s hands…IT DID NOT MATTER how inconsistent he had been earlier in that game. King HAILED manning a few weeks ago when he pulled off the game-winning drive in MIA…and now he downplayed that potential aspect from last night. ALL BECAUSE he couldn’t handle that his favorite team and his coach blew it last night. ridiculous show of bias.
I don’t think the Jets think they have any chance, so no.
I do. But I also thought the Mets were playoff-bound, the Knicks would fight for the 8th seed, and the Rangers would be good. I guess 1/4 is better than 0/4…
Drew: Thats the big thing on my mind this week as I try to decide whether or not to buy Tix for the Jets/Pats this wknd. It’s risky to invest a good amount of money for a potential embarrasment, not to mention relentless crowd venom.
Pretty pathetic that we are talking about the MJD play and saying that we should have pushed him in to score. Says something about our team when the best thing we could do was help the other team score—football at it’s finest. Bazzaro World NFL..
The beauty of the Jets. They will win the game this weekend, and then we’ll have them winning the next three against also rans. They will then lose 2 out of the 3.
Would anyone be surprised.
I wouldn’t be surprised, because if they did win this wknd, then the media and fans will drive this team back to the top of the Hype world and then when this team plays back to its level of medicore play (rookie QB…rookie HC…comes with the territory)…everyone will be right back to where we are today bashing the coach and the players for sucking so bad.
2009 was all about 2010…the sooner people accept this, the less heart-attacks fans will be having. It’s the reality of things guys.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SAME OLD JETS. Our team has too many new parts and new schemes…IT TAKES TIME..
My expectations were high early on, but I understand reality…and that is why I enjoy this Jets team.
^^^maybe “enjoy” is not the right term there…it’s frustrating and hard…but I can tolerate this team because I knew this year wouldn’t be easy.
The Dolphins had a rookie coach, he went 11-5 last year. Have fun with yours…IT TAKES TIME!!!
starz gets it. I have tried this season to temper expectation and not buy into the hype. I defend this team all the time, but I still realize that the chances of doing anything of note with two rookies running the team is remote. What I want to see, and have wanted to see, is improvement.
Improvement by our rookie QB (which he has shown; he stood in there to get absolutely crushed and deliver a strike to Cotchery yesterday, I was really impressed with how he stood in there and absorbed the helmet-to-helmet hit).
Improvement by our rookie HC (which he has shown, partially; Rex needs to continue to get better at managing the game, but his in-game adjustments are very good and his ability to motivate his team is scary. If he just finds a way to be more effective in promoting some in-game discipline, then we’ll be in really good shape).
Improvement by our defense (I expected this unit to hover around top 10 status this season. I think it is a very good group, but the loss of Jenkins exposed our need for an edge rusher. Pace can’t beat double teams all game and our D-line doesn’t force any double teams on passing downs. Overall, the defense is moving in the right direction, and with a few pieces – NT of the future, edge rusher, d-ends (maybe, I like Devito and Pituitoa a LOT), and a CB since Lowery is the next Donald Strickland and Lito still isn’t 100%. I have full faith that Rex will get his players this year, after going offense in the draft last year).
Those were my 3 keys. Our running game was already there, our offensive line still intact, and our receiving core is very strong now. At this point it’s about the mental aspect of the game, and getting Schotty as far away from the Jets as possible this offseason.
Dear Eddie,
Who the export are you to tell me what to call myself?
If I irk you so much skip my comments.
Your incessantly positive cheerleading posts irk me too, there is more than one way to look at life.
For you to even be mentioning playoffs tells me you have absolutely not a drop of reality in your veins, that you are a green kool aid drinking naive optimist.
Have you seen this team play the last 6 weeks?
If you dont see that the “elite defense” talk started with their swaggerlicious trash talk, then I can not help you. The media took that talk and the high statistical rating and ran with it, yes, but it started with the trash talk.
This is where the “hate” for Bart Scott eminates, when you talk trash, and do not back up that talk, it wears very thin.
You obviously enjoy boorish trash talk eminating from the big mouths of your coaches and players, I prefer winning and losing with class. Ryan, for the first time at yesterdays presser, seems to have gotten the message. Its simple really, you lose, you give credit to your opponent and get back to work, a formula that has served the sporting world well until about 15 years ago when the trash talking began. Its called sportsmanship, used to be tought tot he kids back in the days of my youth.
I am not totally negative, I am a realist. In fact just Saturday I predicted a turnaround in the second half, with big improvement from the QB and even referred to it in my comment.
I was very disappointed with his performance after the bye week and am therefore “becoming concerned” that perhaps we may be in trouble here.
I was not declaring him a bust, just questioning if anyone else was starting to become concerned? A fair question, I believe. If you are not concerned, great I hope you are correct.
I was never expecting the playoffs this year, I was one of the few on here that tried to reason with the kool aid drinkers in preseason regarding the combination of the rookie HC and QB, but everyone kept pointing to BAL and ATL (and btw both of those QB’s are suffering sophomore slumps).
Yes, I have seen plenty of young touted QB’s arrive on the scene and am a full believer that it takes 30 games to accurately judge an NFL QB, both negative and positive.
Flacco, Ryan and Vince young all had spectacular rookie seasons, but that does tot automatically translate to HOF careers, time will tell just as it will with Sanchez.
But the fact that he continues to make the same mistakes and continues to act like an immature jerk is beginning to concern me, and I have a right to that opinion and will continue to express that right until I drop exporting dead.
If you do not like it, then skip my comments, put on the green colored glasses and go have another gulp of kool aid.
Don’t see Jets winning another game this season. It is wait till next year time. Am just worried about next year. I would have hoped to see an improving team as the season went on not one that is consistently mediocre.
Fat Rex did a horrible job getting this team ready for this weeks game. How in the world did they allow DAVID GARRARD bring his team down the field with a less than 100% RB and a suspect corp of receivers is mind blowing.
Fat Boy, want to know why the crowd hasn’t been too loud? there hasn’t been anything to be loud about. The losses to the Bills and Fish were terrible. Do you want us to cheer for that? How about worrying about getting your team ready for the games and let the crowd worry about being loud enough.
starz31
I am certainly not going to the NE game. I had 2 road games to go to this year….. The NO game which I couldnt make and this weeks NE game. After this weeks loss. I will not be putting myself thru that hell in NE
I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if they beat NE and lost everything thing else. I also wouldnt be surprised if we get absolutely trampled by NE.
To everyone else, apologize for the rant, Eddie got under my skin, in a bad mood for good reason this monday morning. I live and die this team, mostly the latter.
As for Lil Shott, he should have been let go in the offseason.
Mr. T, and Woody, not sure if it is just being cheap but they made the same mistake with REX that they did with Manidiot, hiring an uproven coach and saddling him with the existing coordinators who ran different systems than the did.
Since the old coordinator presumably has loyal players on his side, this undermines the HC from day one.
Mangini was saddled with Sutton, a 4-3 coach. Rex is saddled with the incompetant Lil Shot.
The common denominator to this mess is Mr. T, who at some point is going to come under fire.
A master at deflecting criticism to his coaches, he will now throw Schott under the bus while surving another year and continuing to suck up to his way too loyal owner.
Brandon
I am completely on board with your thoughts… The problem is we are losing to teams that we are better than.
You cant go and beat NE and Houston (rather easily) and then just find ways to lose against teams you are clearly better than.
I have tried to not get too excited ………..but this team is young and talented not young and not talented.
its actually more frustrating than just being a young bad team.
I also get the 2010 thoery. I preached it from week 1. The fatc is we have let games slip thru our hands and it just sucks.
I am the biggest “kool aid” drinker out there but this just gets exhausting.
Improvement would be not having your quarterback get rocked.
Improvement would have been the HC motivating his team to stop the Jags on the last drive.
Improvement would have been defense stopping a drive when it counted.
WOJF,
Does Schott not deserved to be thrown under the bus? I mean, rolling out to the non-throwing side of Sanchez to have him throw a 50 yards bomb on the first play? That has nothing to do with Rex. I am a big-time defense guy (played defense in high school/college, coach defense now) and even I could have told you that would end badly. Schott is a huge problem that is holding this team back. I am not a huge fan of Callahan’s either, but his power running game, zone blocking scheme, and vertical passing game suit this team much better than the West Coast-ish offensive garbage Schotty throws out there.
It also hurts that our defense let that team( who they shutout the whole 2nd half) drive a winning drive down our throats
In saying that i think we can beat NE next week…lol
at this point i keep getting surprised. In good ways but mostly bad. We can either get crushed by NE and end our season there, or beat them in a close game and stay alive only to be beaten by a .500 team in Carolina.
The ups and downs are doing a real number on my blood pressure.
Drew,
I agree with you, this gets exhausting. In the end, these losses will give us a higher pick, which we hopefully trade back for a 1st & 2nd and then load up on young studs. If Ryan knows one thing, it’s defensive talent, and he’s going to get him some talent in this draft.
NamVetJet,
You aren’t going to have a rookie QB go unscathed. They bring about just as many hits, if not more, than the O-line gives up. But he’s standing tall in the pocket and delivering strikes while under pressure. He’s not running 30 yards backwards anymore, and has been throwing the ball away rather than forcing it. He is definitely getting better.
The defense has given up 2 drives when it counted. The other 7 games they have given the team more than just a chance to win, they put them in position where they should have won. The defense isn’t great, but it’s not as bad as people are making it seem, either.
Drew…I thought we were better than Buffalo, Miami, and Jacksonville…but maybe we’re just wrong. I think the talent on our roster is better than those teams. But those teams have one thing in common that we don’t have this season…they are very well coached for a specific game. IOW, they have been well-coached in each game we’ve played against them. They have a specific game-plan against us and they go out and execute while we do not.
Mangini was good at preparing differently each week, sometimes he didn’t execute it, but sometimes he did (NE/TEN back to back last year, NE road game in 2006)
Rex did that well in our first few games. But teams have caught on to what we do, and it seems like Rex believes too much in himself to adjust game plans for specific teams. And we have suffered from it.
Rex is relentless though..i think he’ll learn from these mistakes.
Folks –
i think you all as JETS fans need to really take a deep breathe. Yes, your Coach (and some players) really talked up the team and made it seemed much better than it really is
But – the mind set that your going to win ever game (after the first 3 games) or lose every game the rest fo the season doesn’t make sense.
Year 1 HC and Year 1 QB – they need some time. I guess what make it hard is that the JETS braintrust invested in NOW and your expectations are not being met.
I do whoever think your season is over…
Brendan:
Do you know what a frontrunner is? A wagoneer?
It is a person that criticizes and finds fault in every loss and applauds every win!!!
Take a look at 90% of all the 500 +comments on this blogsince yesterday. Yours included.
Hank,
Are you seriously trying to call me a frontrunner? First, you can only be a frontrunner when you’re jumping onto a team that is winning. You don’t frontrun for teams that are 4-5. And what have my comments said that makes me a “wagoneer”? Please, pull them out of the thread, because I’m interested to see what I said to have you deem as me being a frontrunner and wagoneer.
This team shot its load early when they were sitting pretty at 3-0. Now it has no balls…two weeks to prepare for Jacksonville and look at the outcome! We don’t even come close to contention in New England next week….as a 25 year NY JETS fan, I should be used to losing and having my heart ripped out and spit on by now…it should be easy watching us lose game in and game out…but it’s not…in fact, it’s horrible, complete torture and I can’t stand it…we are a joke…too many loud mouths and we trade away all of our draft picks for big names…hopefully, someday we will be a legitimate contender before I am worm food but at this point it’s not in the forseeable future! Whew, thanks for letting me vent…I feel slightly better now!
we beat the pats next week and we are 1 game back with 6 to play. it’s not over. 9-7 can win the division for crying out loud. relax and enjoy the season everyone
Hank, that is erroneous.
A frontrunner is somebody who does NOT criticize the faults in a loss, because he’s stopped paying attention to the team once they stopped winning.
How can you complain that the ride is too bumpy when you’ve already jumped off the wagon?
Future headline: New England signs former Jets CB Ahamd Carroll
Duh! Ahmad Carroll!
That was a rhetorical question, by the way.
While I think your obssession with Mangini is odd at the very least, I do NOT consider you a bandwagon fan either, Hank.
Can this blog please talk about the Patriots losing and what a blown opportunity this game turned out to be because of that.
Whatever. The game was over by the time MJD took a knee at the one. And Revis did try to strip the ball but Drew’s knee was already down. What do you want them to do, start a fight? I don’t care about any of that stuff, laugh, cry, scream, whatever you like. I only care that they look at the mistakes – like when Leonard was trying to get Rhodes to drop back before the 30 yard, backbreaking reception – and correct them.
It’s par for the course. Rookie QB, rookie HC, new defensive scheme. I don’t mind that the team came out with an anything’s possible, sky’s the limit attitude, but this season was always likely to be about adjusting and building for next year and beyond. This team has played very well at times and lost games they could have won in the final minutes, typical for a team with new key components trying to learn how to win. The motto this year should be: Just learn, baby!
Brendan,
we will see tonight in cleveland. The browns averted a blackout for this game. The Browns are clinging on for whatever help they can get. Rhodes can’t make an excuse to save his life. Rhodes can be put on any team in the nfl in any scheme and he will be taken out of it because man to man he loses against physical players. Its been PROVEN. Mangini is working to build a mustang with a piece of wood and string in cleveland with people that are trying to break into his garage and take everything away from him. If that doesn’t give you motivation I don’t know what will.
are only chance is the div we need miami to lose on thursday and we need to win sunday and then well b a game out which still wont matter but would atleast make the last part of the season exciting
I don’t know about any of you….but for me this game was completely expected….I’m not a big Tuna fan…but as he says you are what your record says you are….this team went into the season as an 8-8 team….that’s what they are. Too many people got overexcited (including big mouths like Bart Scott) about a 3-0 start and a win over the Pats…..Guys this team is an 8-8 team….with a rookie QB…a rookie Head Coach….a loss of your #1 Defensive Lineman….I mean..yes these are games that they could have won…but should they have won them?? Probably Not…
Brendan, of course he deserves to go, I wrote he never should have been retained this year. Rex should have been allowed to bring in his own coordinators. Since Callahan is in place I would fire the bum today for that ridiculous opening play call.
But I believe Mr. T survives by playing the blame game, Sutton, Manging, now Schott and perhaps Westoff.
At what point does Mr. T begin to take heat?
HE decided to hire a rookie HC and draft and start a rookie QB all the while insisting this was a win now team.
HE went all in on Farve last year and when it backfired blamed Mangini (I am not a Mangini defender, he should have been fired, but Mr. T brought in Farve).
HE went all in again this year with the offeseason shopping spree and the getting Edwards.
HE claimed it was a win now team and behaved accordingly, and instead we have a team headed for a losing record after winning 9 games last year, a result that got the HC fired.
He has one playoff appearance in four years, a one and out in his initial season.
At what point does the owner hold the front office accountable?
Fonzie,
As inconsistent as the Jets are in their on-field play, you are equally consistent at fighting a fight that you can’t win. What will I see tonight? A read-and-react defense get shredded by the Ravens? The rookies that Hank touted as “impactful starting rookies” barely play? Rhodes is not as bad as you say. I still disagree. He made an epic mistake at the end of the game, and that is his inexperience in the scheme. He made a great, athletic pass breakup earlier in the game, and had a few tackles that stopped huge gains. For everyone else, I am not saying Kerry had a good game, but Fonzie makes him seem like he’s walking off the short bus and onto the football field. He’s not tripping over himself and drooling out there, he’s part of a unit that didn’t perform, it’s not all on him every week (and please don’t start with the Bart Scott nonsense). Mangini is not the subject of a nation-wide conspiracy theory. Give it a rest. The guy is performing horribly, and that’s what is being reported. It’s not like he’s 6-3 and getting ridiculed in the media. He’s 1-7, an awful 1-7 a “needed an epically horrific offensive performance by the Bills to get to” 1-7. Enough already. If you’re a Jets fan, talk about the Jets, no one listens to you when you’re touting Mangini and everyone thinks he’s a bad coach.
Brendan,
Again you miss the point on Lowery. He needs GUIDANCE, GUIDANCE, GUIDANCE. For his maturity (which is very good given his life experiences) he still is playing against the wolves with the receivers in this league and needs the coach to help him. He has Revis as someone to lean on. Its like when you have a drill sergeant constantly holding you back and on your case you don’t say anything. However, once he is taken away from the scene you unwind just like the jets defense has been. Mangini had this defense winded up like the coils of a toroidal solenoid. Now Rex comes in and unwinds everything. Players personalities unwind as well and some like Lowery look to breathe again. He gets the tattoo “to show signs of a new beginning. Another chance”. However, rex hasn’t shown any discipline and it shows when you give your team six days off.
Okay Jets fans, who do we take in the draft? I’m think big NT or a DE. This season is over, lets see who can make our D better and help out our franchise QB down the line.
Then you come out and you are totally outplayed and outcoached. I think you are fighting a losing battle here Brendan.
WOJF,
All good points. But the point is, and you somewhat touched on it, is that all those guys that got blamed deserved to be fired. I don’t think we need to get into how bad Sutton was. Schotty is proving to be his offensive counterpart. Mangini was so bad at in-game adjustments I began to question if he even believed in making them.
It may have been Tanny’s idea to draft Sanchez (with some helpful “nudging” from Woody), but Rex chose to start him. I really believe it was all Rex’s choice – and to be honest I think it was the right one because starting Clemens one season would have been pointless.
The Favre thing, I have to believe that was Woody. PSLs to sell and a legit shot at making a playoff run would have been more than enough incentive. And it almost worked, but the old man got hurt and ended up hurting our team. Reasonable risk for a reasonable cost, I don’t hate on that move too much (although I do hate Favre with the utmost passion).
And because Tanny is so good at working contracts, I never hold his “shopping sprees” against him because he can get out of these non-guaranteed contracts.
I will agree that the touted this team as “win now” when it clearly is a “win next-year” team.
Brendan,
Answer me this if Rhodes is so inexperienced in Rex’s scheme why does he talk so much as if he had an Ed Reed type of football playmaking ability. He thinks he is Pro Bowl type material Brendan. He isn’t. He talks more than he should. It doesn’t translate onto the football field.
Fonzie,
What? If anything, Lowery regressed last season, starting in the beginning to barely playing at the end. Yes, there is a rookie wall, but as the season wore on his play got sloppier and his fundamentals started getting worse. He is starting out of necessity because he is hurt, not because Rex is throwing him to the wolves. He’s not a rookie, he’s had experience in this league, and he’s not a lost puppy. If you honestly think Rex doesn’t coach him and just expects him to be good, then you once again show you don’t understand how a football team works.
I don’t see what your point is about the “coils”. Yes, things are more relaxed under Rex, and our defense is also much improved. What exactly is your point?
The talk that Rhodes has is only defending his weaknesses. I am glad I brought it to his attention… Now I want to know what does he have to say.
“all the while insisting this was a win now team.”
When and where did Mike T. say this was a “win now team?” Not trying to be confrontational, I am actually curious. Because I have only seen him say the approach has been to try to build a team that can contend consistently. I honestly feel the vast majority of this “win-now” business is media driven.
Everyone had to know this year was something of a re-boot, with a new coach and a rookie – a very green rookie – at QB.
I’ve been a Jet fan for a very long time and I’m actually a little surprised at the degree of dashed expectations expressed by fans and media, at this point. Why were those expectations so high when virtually every knowledgeable NFL observer predicted pretty much exactly what we have right now?
I have felt a lot worse about past Jet seasons that left me with a lot less hope for the future.
Anyone know why we cut Carroll? Are we making room for another former Pat before this week’s game?? And if so couldn’t we have cut Gholston instead? haha
Rhodes is the most overrated free safety in the NFL. He does nothing
Mel,
Gholston is essentially uncuttable (I think I just made that word up) because his cap penalty would be crippling.
My point is the club atmosphere and the personality of the clubhouse (the jets team) has gone in the wrong way since Rex has been here. The culture that he brings cannot stand by itself. There isn’t any discipline, practices especially before the season were more of killing each other. Why did you think Channing Chrowder had a war of words with Rex? Rex brought this amongst himself. If another player from another team makes any comment or starts anything keep your mouth shut. Play the game. When you start something you BETTER BACK IT UP. You don’t see this brendan. Ryan is running around in circles. The media is jumping onto his game.
Yeah, Fonzie, your “club atmosphere” will take a hit when you’re losing. I didn’t see you complaining when the team was winning. You’re bringing up training camp practices? Well, I am sorry to inform you, that even during your darling Mangini’s tenure here, there were always fights and injuries in training camp. That’s what happens during TC. Players get hurt because they aren’t used to the workload, and guys get in fights because they’re frustrated and knocking heads with the same guys for 6+ hours a day. It’s not exclusive to Rex Ryan’s Training Camp of Horrors.
Brendan- I know they can’t cut Vernon- I was being sarcastic. Or at least I was trying to be….
Gotcha, sarcasm is hard to pick up in print, and enough people on here suggest that in a serious manner that I wasn’t sure. Some people don’t realize that cutting him right now would count $14mil against the Jets cap.
Its like one of those things, whatever. It doesnt mean anything. No one on this blog was on the field, so no one knows what really happens.
The atmosphere of the club is a garbage point. When we were 3-0 and beat the Pats, no one questioned the “atomosphere”. The problem is some of the players on this team (mostly Mangini holdovers i.eB Thomas) are not good enough to win consistently in the NFL at a playoff level.
Although it seems like they will never win another game, they will. They’ll go 8-8 or 9-7 and miss the playoffs. Then the true test of what Rex and his philosophies are about begins. He weeds out the guys he knows he cant win with, and drafts or signs guys he thinks can. Its how every coach does it in the league. If the same stuff is happening this time 2-3 years from now, they will run him right out of town, probably deservingly so.
I am not giving up on Rex right now. I thought in Feb and I still think that he is the right guy for this job. Let em get some more experience with managing a game and tweak his defense with some new blood and the results will come in time.
Anyone ever notice how Kerry Rhodes never, ever, puts his head down and lowers his shoulder when making a tackle. Instead he side steps the guy and arm tackles while hanging on to the guy. . . He looks so soft every time.
Bottom line, it’s just the typical Jets. Preseason, they’re supposed to be good, they start off good, but they were really just playing everyone. Every year, they have more talent than most other teams, but they lack the heart and determination to bring that to the game. They actually brought it in the beginning of the season when they were winning, but they got full of themselves and didn’t bring the same intensity and fire and now we are seeing the result. Somebody needs to light a fire under this team now, otherwise it’s just another wasted season.
All we need to do is lessen the emotional investment that is placed every Sunday. I am certain that the Jets will be a major contender next season and thats a fact. I’ve talked to many Giant fans and they have all agreed that Rex Ryan and Sanchez are the real deal and Jet fans would likely run out the best thing brewing for them in quite some time. I happen to agree with them. I think this blog is proof of that. I’m all for venting but you need to stay positive this isn’t the same’ol Jets.
This is a team in a slight transition.
Just a thought-
Ive come to the realization that as a Jet fan Ive thought that some of the guys on this defense arent as good as I hope they are. I basically broke it down in my head like this
Elite level (start for any NFL team, possible future HOF, change a game, scares other teams coordinators)
1-Darrelle Revis
2-Kris Jenkins (strictly based on ability, durability not withstanding)
Good players (start for most NFL teams, possible Pro Bowl potential, have the ability to make an impact play sometimes)
1-Shaun Ellis
2-Calvin Pace
3-David Harris
Solid (does the job they are asked to do most of the time, wont change a game, few and far impact plays)
1-Kerry Rhodes
2-Jim Leonhard
3-Lito Sheppard
4-Bart Scott
NFL roster guys ( guys who can make an NFL roster, on a good D unit they are backups)
1-Dwight Lowery
2-Marques Douglas
3-Bryan Thomas
This is my assesment of the Jets D. Im not going to get into the whole Balt D but I will tell you this, Baltimore has 4 ELITE defenders on that defense in Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Haloti Ngata and Terrell Suggs. Not only do they have more, but they have it at every level, back seven, front seven, interior line, pass rusher
If Rex can get 4 guys like that here and the defense does the same stuff they are doing now, then we can talk about having his head, but he has to get more than this year, its really only fair
I agree with the previous post. Good call. Jenkins is not a HOF yet. But i just dont think he will ever get a good chance to play for a long time because of his knees. Too injury prone, but i hope he can get back and play well next year. We need to draft his replacement.
But the guys we have are not being coached well. Did they forget how to tackle? how to cover the middle of the field? Dont make excuses for Rex. He should have had a shorter bye week. Get an extra practice for a 4-4 team that just went 1-4 on their previous 5 games.
Tackling also became an issue last season in the second half. As a defensive fanatic that is what makes me the most upset with this unit.
Im not making excuses for him but it is what it is. This team lost an ELITE defender and lacks the true 3-4 WILL needed to apply pressure on the QB like the Steelers do or Ravens did when Rex was there.
Everybody wants to drive the guy back to Baltimore already after this 5 game snakebitten slump the Jets are in. Im not accepting losing by any means but Ive seen this happen before. I played collegiatley and with guys that went to the NFL. These guys were so good it wasnt even funny but sometimes they just had brain farts and would blow plays they were perfectly capable of making. The Jets dont get blown out, they either cant catch or make the breaks needed to win.
Just look at the Pats Colts game last nite. If you watched that game the Pats outplayed the Colts and really deserved to win. It came down to a 4th and 2 blown call by the “greatest coach in the universe”.
The Jets are in what Shane Falco (haha Replacements) called “quicksand”. When things go bad, the whole thing just starts sinking. All you need is one guy to make a play, and no one is doing that right now. The coaches put them in position and they miss a tackle or blow the coverage. I’ll tell you right now, Ive played with some good players, and no player ever blames a coach for missing a tackle or blowing a coverage when you miss the defensive call. It doesnt come down to how many days you have off during a bye week. It comes down to wrapping up, body position and pursuit angles.
It comes down to Kerry Rhodes communicating with Jim Leonhard and making sure at the most crucial point in the game, that they are on the same page. Why did Jimmy Leonhard know to change the coverage and Kerry Rhodes had his thumb up his ass? Some players respond to coaching better and are smarter than other players.
My point is that Rex should at least get a whole season, a draft and an off season to figure out which ones respond to him and his philosophies, who should stay and who should go, so on and so forth. And if he cant get something accomplished in the same time Mangini got then he’ll be run out of town also. But besides Jets, Dolphins and Pats fans I know, everyone else thinks that he is the guy the Jets need, and so do I
Your wrong Eddie -
Other AFC East Fans agree – Rex is the Coach you need. :) We would not argue that!!!!!
Eddie:
As I’ve stated many times, way too many, most NFL games come down to a few plays and who makes them and who doesn’t determines the winner or loser. The missed tackle, the bad penalty, the tipped ball, the great catch, etc.. You can even argue that the Jets are two Hartock penalties, the hold on T. Jones run down to the Buffalo 12 in OT and a illegal formation penalty on a successful two point conversion in the second Miami game, away from being 6-3.
Who’s Rex going to beg to cheer next year when most Jets fans are priced out of the stadium? I am sick of all the loosing! We have not won a game since week 3 since. I am excluding the Oakland game because any team should be them. Kerry Rhodes blows the biggest play of the game costing the Jets the game. I know you cannot blame the loss on him but he should take responsibility for the loss. Leonhard was trying to tell him to adjust but he for some reason was not paying attention. I mean its 3rd and long 1:58 on the clock and the game is on line and he lets a TE run open down the middle of the field. Our only saving grace was that Bellicheck screwed up last night as well.
We have a new coach begging for fans to cheer! Good luck with that next season when all the real jets fans are priced out of the stadium. My family has had season tickets since 67 and were forced to moved since they want 86k per seat for a psl not including the $750 per seat ticket price. I cannot bring myself to pay that kind of money to have my heart ripped out every sunday. Maybe they can use some of that money to get defensive players that can actually stop a drive in the 4th quarter with the game on the line.
You all wanted to know why were not in our seats by kick off? The tailgate is the only satisfying part of a jets game. We used to have halftime at gate D as well til some reporter had to write about it in the Post. I miss gate D at least you got some entertainment at the game every Sunday. We knew we were going to loose but we always had gate D at half time. LOL
Just had to correct my post! LOL
Who’s Rex going to beg to cheer next year when most Jets fans are priced out of the stadium? I am sick of all the loosing! We have not won a game since week 3 since. I am excluding the Oakland game because any team should be them. Kerry Rhodes blows the biggest play of the game costing the Jets the game. I know you cannot blame the loss on him but he should take responsibility for the loss. Leonhard was trying to tell him to adjust but he for some reason was not paying attention. I mean its 3rd and long 1:58 on the clock and the game is on line and he lets a TE run open down the middle of the field. Our only saving grace was that Bellicheck screwed up last night as well.
Good luck with that next season when all the real jets fans are priced out of the stadium. My family has had season tickets since 67 and were forced to moved since they want 86k per seat for a psl not including the $750 per seat ticket price. I cannot bring myself to pay that kind of money to have my heart ripped out every sunday. Maybe they can use some of that money to get defensive players that can actually stop a drive in the 4th quarter with the game on the line.
You all wanted to know why were not in our seats by kick off? The tailgate is the only satisfying part of a jets game. We used to have halftime at gate D as well til some reporter had to write about it in the Post. I miss gate D at least you got some entertainment at the game every Sunday. We knew we were going to loose but we always had gate D at half time. LOL
Bottom line, the Jets lost by 2 points yesterday. There were many plays, on offense and defense, that could have altered the outcome. But, let’s have a reality check. Going into this season, with a rookie coach and rookie QB, most of us thought that maybe 10-6 was possible, but 7-9 to 9-7 was more likely. Then, the team wins 3 games to open the season and all of our expectations were heightened…that’s never a good thing for an NYC sports team.
This team lost arguably 2 of 3 of it’s most irreplaceable players in Jenkins and Washington (the other is, of course, Revis). The overall defense, offense and special teams have all been negatively affected by the loss of these 2 pro bowlers.
Also, we have a rookie QB, who alternated between making plays that make us all happy we have him and bonehead plays that cause the fans to want KC in there. And, to make a 3-4 blitzing defense work, the Jets need a bona fide pass-rushing WILL; the Jets don’t have one. So, let’s recap. No Jenkins, no Leon, no WILL and a rookie QB.
For this team to win, it has to overcome the youth and inexperience of its QB, the loss of 2 key players and the lack of a pass rushing threat on defense. But, with these shortcomings, the Jets have lost 4 games decided on the last drive of the game.
The losses suck, but saying that Ryan, who has been working through his issues, isn’t doing a good job is ridiculous. If the Jets were 6-3, Ryan would be talked about as coach of the year. This team is competitive and in every game. But, it’s going to be inconsistent because rookie QB’s are inconsistent. Sanchez left, at least, 13 extra points on the field yesterday. Nobody has talked about how he missed a wide open Thomas Jones on a simple screen to his right in the redzone…Jones had blockers and would have walked into the endzone). That’s a play that he’ll make 100% of the time, but he blew it yesterday. His throw to Braylon for the 2-point conversion was too slow and behind him…he should watch tape of good NFL QBs who always drill guys in the endzone. And, there were at least 5 passes where he just went to the wrong guy (on one he went to Keller, who was covered, down the seam when Edwards had single coverage and was streaking down the sideline…when Edwards has single coverage deep, Sanchez HAS to throw to him).
Again, even with all of these problems, the Jets had a lead with 5 minutes left and lost by 2 points. If this stuff happens in 2010, maybe I’ll get on Rex’s case. For now, I just hope that these losses contribute to the long-term growth of the team.
Sack,
I agree with almost everything you posted. The 3-0 start had raised the hopes of all Jet fans. We know we have a good deal of talent and we know that we should be winning most of these games but, it is going to take time for our rookie QB and our rookie HC to mature in their roles. Once that happens, it will add stability to our team and a great deal of the mistakes and penalties, that have hurt us, will not be happening. There is no reason for us to have twelve men on the field, on offense or defense. Those two timeouts could have meant the difference in the game. Rex has to eliminate that. Heads have to roll, if that happens again.
As for MJD going to his knee, I have a few points. For those of you who said to push him into the endzone — the second we touch him, while his knee is down, the play is dead at that spot. I thought that it was a great call by Del Rio. We had no timeouts. All they had to do was control the clock and hit a PAT — game over. Give credit to Jack for knowing how to close us out. I heard Michael Kay on the radio saying that he would have never passed up the points. He would have taken the TD and given the Jets and their rookie QB an opportunity to beat them. Michael, that is why you are on talk radio and Jack Del Rio coaches the Jags.
As for Bellichek’s call, if the receiver had control of the ball, game was over. I am not saying that it was the best of calls by Bill but, if the receiver did his job — the media would be raving about how Bill knows how to close out a game. Since it didn’t work out for Bill, idiots like Mike Francessa, can’t wait to jump on Bellichek. I’ll take Bellichek over Francessa as my coach. How about you?
SackDance99,
On the game thread , I mentioned the screen pass as a great play call that went for naught because Sanchez did not execute it. Jones would’ve walked into the end zone.
I am a fan of this team, but they could care less whether they win or lose or they would play harder and win more games.
The losses to Florida teams is inexcusable. We don’t deserve to win another game.
That being said , I hope Rex tells Schotty to go F@#$ himself and takes over the offense owner support or not and makes a run.
Rex’s hands are tied with Schotty, time to pull a Bluto off of Animal House: “Over did you say..over, nothing is over til we decide it is..was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?”……..And it ain’t over now…now who’s with me?…..”
That my fellow Jet fans is how we go about it. Rex needs to grow a set and take his team back.
GO JETS!!!!!!!!!
WOJF
If you are going to make a stand-offish retaliation do it under the post I called you out on.
If the best you got is to call me a “kool-aid drinking optimist”-save it. Seriously. That is the lamest thing I ever heard to criticize someone for wanting their team to be successful and for not acting like a complete jerk.
I hate doing this- but I played and coached in college. I understand when these guys make mistakes out there, and you going running for the hills, want to fire everybody or “get worried”. Maybe its a former players, coaches mentality but I know that they are really trying out there and like all the rest of us sometimes-just F up. Except there mistakes are broadcast nationally for the enjoyment of others.
Its a difference in mentality. I have a former players mentality. I am always trying to find a way to keep fighting the battle. You want to tear it all down every time something goes wrong.
With regards to the trash-talk stuff. No I dont take it that seriously. I played with guys who talked trash and sucked, and others were good enough to have a cup of cofee or a career in the NFL. But on the field between these guys its not as big a deal as the media makes it out to be. Its just something for them to fill the column with between Sundays. The problem with this Jets team is they gave the media a little too much to write about, not realizing that in NY they will turn on you the first time you lose a game.
I never said after the game yesterday “oh yea, playoffs BabY!!!. I dont know where you interpreted that. This season is turning out to be a disaster for the Jets. I am just trying to be FAIR in my criticism. I dont want to fire the head coach without giving him at least as long as the last guy (who sucks in Cleveland BTW, we werent going any where with him, bet on it).
My problem with your name is that I dont come on here and proclaim myself “football expert eddie digio”. Even when I tried to agree with you, you found a way to be a complete pr*ck about it. Which was my point about you in general.
But I dont know you in the real world, you probably are a pretty good guy with a nice family. All our differences are solely based on how we root for the Jets. Dont take it personally, because when it comes to life experience I probably could learn alot from you…just not football (sorry had to say it)