Rex goes on the Offensive
In light of the Sanchez’s 4 INT performance against New England as well as the many mounting problems the Jets constantly face each week, Rex Ryan has decided to become a more balanced coach and get in Sanchez’s ear making sure Mark gets the concept of “ball security.”
Ryan announced in his just concluded press conference that he’s going to be in Sanchez’s ear all game. Previously, Ryan had devoted nearly all of his attention on game day to the defense and he was criticized for being more of a defensive coordinator than a head coach.
“I’m going to take that responsibility on my shoulders,” said Ryan, who’ll also begin attending more offensive meetings. “If that’s all I bring to him, how to protect the football and make him understand he has to protect the football, that’s what I’m going to do. That is my job. I’m going to be standing shoulder-to-shoulder with (offensive coordinator) Brian (Schottenheimer).
It’s good to see that Rex is finally getting a grasp of this team and becoming a “true” head coach but at this point it has probably come too late as the Jets have dug quite the hole for themselves but then again better late than never I suppose. But I digress, how do you feel about this move? Do you believe it will help the team in the long run or does the improvement begin once “Schott” is given a pink slip?
129 Responses to Rex goes on the Offensive
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lajetsfan says:
Too little, too late. I don’t think the issue is that the Jets got beat by a good team yesterday, the issue is that the team is regressing.
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mdGordon says:
I didn’t realize that he wasn’t doing this. Every good head coach is involved in all aspects of his team in some manner. Offense might not be his thing, but he should be involved. He’s the head coach, and it all comes down to him in the end.
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john m says:
as usual.. rex is 2 steps behind…
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SackDance99 says:
The HC only has to step in when there’s a problem. Obviously, Rex sees what we see: Schotty is putting Sanchez into too many difficult positions. Ball security begins with the play called.
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Paul says:
Schotty needs to go at the end of the year.
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cabras says:
Eddie Gio put it Best Chad best season w/Schott 16td 15 int, Favre sandwiched between 2 MVP years, his 1 season w/Schott 22td/22int.
How long does it take to see that the guy is not a good play caller. It is that simple.
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Give Leon The Damn Ball says:
he might as well considering the amount of pressure he put on sanchez by calling him “sanchize”. you dont think that hasnt played a part in sanchez trying to do too much?
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Rex-16 JETS says:
I understand that it’s too late….. but he thought he could trust Schottenheimer to do HIS job of getting the offense to where it needs to be…. Rex should know that he can TRUST Pettine to do his job… So what I’m saying is… FIRE Schottenheimer….
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bonebreaker says:
Rex needs to fire Scott and elevate Calahan to the Offensive coordinator position. Calahan has been a head coach in the NFL before and can help Rex get a hold of this team.
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For the “too little too late” folks…just a question: is everything about making this year’s playoffs for you guys?
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Andy says:
I like this move. Good job Rex for seeing this and fixing it and realizing he is the HEAD COACH. He has too be on all sides of the game. I don’t think it is too late. Maybe this season sure but at least it is not going forward. It is all part of the learning process for Rex. If this season is going nowhere then we might as well learn now.
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Fire Tannenbaum (WOJF) says:
I think Brees worst season came under Schott also, at least he certainly did not blossum until getting out of SD.
I was a tad intoxicated but I thought I saw REX with the offensive play card in the early part of the second quarter when they were trying to rally. Did anyone else notice this?
Instead of getting on Sanchez during the game he should be riding Schott butt in key situations.
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m eazii says:
well all i can say is moves like this shows he is a rookie head coach but i am glad he is noticeably making adjustments but like most of you guys said, a little too late!!
I would be fine with callahan as the oc next year, but i think weiss would turn out better…i have been hearing he is really good with qbs…just fire schotty already!!
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James in TN says:
I maybe off base here but FIRE THE MOTHER ALREADY. Schotty gots to go, but I think Tanny wants him so if he stays more of the same next year.
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Zartan says:
Schotty has to step down from cordanator. ryan attending more Of the o- meetings should have been done from day one if he brought in a guy that knows his system. I dont think Ryan shoud even be in that many D meetings.
Sanchez has issues that all rookies deal with. the kid has the talent of the best of them and has no one to teach him anything.i mentioned before how i dont see Schotty doing anything on the sidelines(going over in-game photos like Payton n Brady) to help him out. Shotty knows what a good QB look like but he cant teach them.
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Frankthetank says:
Hey guys how about mike martz as our oc next year?
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jameson says:
Schotty was the USC QB coach in 2000.
2000: (USC) Carson Palmer, 16 TDs; 18 INTSchotty was the Redskins QB coach in 2001
2001: (WAS) Tony Banks, 10 TDs; 10 INTSchotty was as asst. coach in San Diego 2002-2005.
2002: (SD) Drew Brees, 17 TDs; 16 INT
2003: (SD) Drew Brees, 11 TDs; 15 INT
2004: (SD) Drew Brees, 27 TDs; 7 INT
2005: (SD) Drew Brees , 24 TDs; 15 INTSchotty was the OC in New York 2006-Present
2006: (NYJ) Chad Pennington, 17 TDs; 16 INT
2007: (NYJ) Chad Pennington, 10 TDs; 9 INT
2007: (NYJ) Kellen Clemens, 5 TDs; 10 INT
2008: (NYJ) Brett Favre, 22 TDs; 22 INT
2009 (NYJ) Mark Sanchez, 10 TDs; 16 INTAlmost every single QB improved the year after Schotty left the program. Brees was on fire in 2005 and 2006 but so was Ladanian Tomlinson and their OL. I think Brian has been riding those coattails for the last four years.
He never played the pro game. He played QB at U of Kansas before being a backup at Florida. In his entire college career he completed 25 passes.
Can someone explain to me the appeal of his resume? and don’t say it is his “clever” game calling.
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we should send jamesons post as a letter of petition to tanny and all sign it!!! that says it all!!!!!!!
FIRE SCHOTTTTTTY!!!
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Boomer says:
How can Rex Ryan possibly be upset about Belickek throwing deep to Moss at the end of the game yesterday? When you talk smack all offseason and you’ve never coached a game in your life, how can you be upset when you get it thrown back in your face? Is Rex out of his mind? Complaining about Belicheck throwing to Moss up 17 points? Really? How about Rex shuts the hell up and wins some games.
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Davo says:
Wait, he hasn’t been attending offensive meetings up until now? Wouldn’t that make him a defensive coordinator?
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MEL31602 says:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4683910
Here’s some good news on a dreary day.
As for this whole fire Schotty thing, I still think you guys are being too hard on him. Maybe they are putting too much on Sanchez’s plate, but if they just scale things back they should be fine. And I am glad to see that Rex learned from his mistakes and is now agreeing to have a bigger role on offense. Unlike Mangini, he is proving to be less stubborn in his ways.
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I SAY WE TRADE KERRY TOO FOR SOME DRAFT PICKS AND MOVE UP IN THE FIRST ROUND TO GET BERRY FROM TENNESSEE…IMAGINE HIM PLAYING IN THIS DEFENSE!!
THEN WITH THE REST OF THE PICKS GET A DECENT PASS RUSHER AND ADD DEPTH TO THE O LINE
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Jetsrdone says:
Schotty is without a doubt the worst coordinator I’ve ever seen!!!!!!!! Hackett was bad but Schotty is clueless…He should be the QB coach and that’s it…Weis would be great but it’ll never happen…Promote Callahan immediately and demote Schotty…I believe if Callahan had been calling the plays this season the Jets would be at least 6-4….You can’t blame Rex for Schotty because Tanny made Rex agree to retain Schotty or he wouldn’t have gotten the head coaching job…Tanny basically commanded Rex to leave the offense to Schotty so I blame Tanny for Rex neglecting the offense…..
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Krista says:
Mark Sanchez looks like someone who would cry in the shower…
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man oh man here we are at 4-6 and it seems like every jets fan out there is finding a way to put down our team,but guys lets be realistic for a moment..did we expect a superbowl this year? did we expect a powerhouse team? did we expect rex to win with guys like bryan thomas,kerry (NO SHOW) rhodes,dwight lowery,eric smith,howard green,? i mean sure we love harris,revis,scott,jenkins when he was healthy,leonhard,but we still have bums to go along with the guys that can win now and thats a bad mix…one quick note this guy westerman is outstanding i wonder why we dont see more of him remember he had a nice sack on schaub week 1 and yesterday pressuring brady he comes right through the middle and hes a smart defender and he seems to be better than bryan thomas and gholston combined..anyways here we are wondering whats next and who to blame but the answer is simple lets blame ourselves for giving this team such praise after we go through this every year..so ok mark sanchez is a rookie give this kid a break and our coach is a rookie as well but yet we expect a playoff powerhouse? the expectations were overblown and the team needs to take small steps and stop tweeting and stop presenting themselves as accomplished athletes and be humble because no one on this team accomplished anything yet but we do have alotta potential and alot to look forward to so guys instead of bashing our team lets try to rally behind them and hope for the best because this is our team and at the end of the day win or lose we are all NEW YORK JETS
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Jameson, great analysis on Schotty…..Those stats really show how truly awful Schotty is; especially when everyone loves to say that his one strength is working with the quarterback…The only appeal on his resume is his last name…Teams only hire him because of his father…The biggest joke of all is that he will one day be a head coach…I guarantee it!!! I was really scared last offseason that it would be the Jets who hired this imbecile…..A team will still hire him as their head coach within the next few years even if the Jets fired him tomorrow!!! They have to or his daddy will get very upset…You see, Marty Schottenheimer still weilds a ton of power in the NFL…Everyone loves Marty to the point that they will even take a chance on his son as their head coach (even though he has proven nothing) and risk ruining their team just for the sake of appeasing his daddy!!! I know this because my cousin’s friend is very involved in the NFL…..To be fair to Schotty, this happens all the time in the NFL..Do you think Rex would be a head coach if not for his father?? But at least Rex was a great coordinator and had to prove himself…Schotty is more like the guy who stole Rex’s head coaching job from him in Baltimore..John Harbaugh getting the Ravens head coaching job was an absolute joke!!!! The guy was a career special teams coach..Special teams coaches 99.9% of the time never become head coaches (just look at Mike Westhoff who deserves a shot more than any other special teams coach in the NFL but never gets any consideration)…Harbaugh was finally switched to secondary coach the season before getting hired by the Ravens because they were setting him up to be a head coach…The real reason he got the job is because his family is obviously very connected in sports (his brother and father of course..Even hs brother-in-law)…
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Shamik says:
Did I expect a anything more than 7-9, no. However, if you go 3-0 convincingly against decent competition, with a (mostly) veteran team that means you certainly have the goods. By going 1-6 afterwards, it means they have NOT being playing to their potential and it shows. I am sick of losing, and I dont care if we have rookies playing. They’re paid millions of dollars to perform, and if they don’t, either give back the money or sit there and listen to the criticism.
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igs says:
Random question guys. A lot of the mocks I run into have the Jets taking a WR with their 1. What do you think about that? I think it’s a bad idea but I know a lot of people are not too keen on Edwards.
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no way we take a wr in the 1st round,edwards is gonna be signed,guys even though our season is just about over,just look at the run game since edwards came here,hes bettered the team in a huge way and hes a great target and will only get better as will mark and of course we have J co as a great possession reciever an a bit of a playmaker so no to the wr in the 1st round,we need an explosive pass rusher so we need to get a very good defensive end in the 1st round
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Draft defensive players. And this time watch their college tapes CAREFULLY to avoid busts like Gholston. Only long-time college starters who are very technically sound and have played well against good competition. Sounds hard to find? Tough, its the NFL, its what you gotta do to succeed.
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Mike, thanks for responding. I pretty much feel the same. It would be sad if the Jets went and created a hole in that position after the big trade also.
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Jets-Fan-4-Life says:
I agree with SackDance99 on this matter….
Obviously, Rex does see an issue with Schotty’s play calling. I hope Rex can convince Mr. T that its time to kick Shotty to the curb!
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no problem igs,but realize that this jets team besides drafting vernon gholston has made some pretty big splashes in recent years in the draft,nick mangold,d brick,leon,harris,revis,sanchez,shonn greene,but yet everyone on this site calls for our gms head? we have the best gm in foobtall i dont see any other gm make as many moves as tanny does,this guy tries to improve our team every year,its cause of tanny that we have hope for a franchise that never did
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No I’d greatly disagree. Not that it’s bad to maek draft trades. But the Jets have made way too much. And its cost them. But focusing on this WR issue. I jus don’t see the Jets not resigning Edwards and drafting a WR. THere are plenty of places where the Jets have to fill needs that they wouldn’t create a hole at WR.
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Shamik,
Good point. But players that excel in the small schools can also excel in the NFL.
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kc. says:
thats great and all,but……….its a LITTLE TOO LATE!
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PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE says:
good move rex. but shotty has 2 go. this team will b alot better w/o him. btw,i no every1 was thinking playoffs and is now all down and weepy.ill cheer u up. this team is a very good football team.inexperience (and shotty) r the reason this team isnt good. hopefully,we can trade rhodes and other older/overrated players on this team for some picks,and sighn a guy like Julius peppers for 2 years or so. we will win a super bowl in the ryan/sancehez era.i think with the moves i said we can contend for afc supremacy next year.
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Why is Kevin Mawae still playing in the NFL? Didn’t Terry Bradway deem this guy finished like 8 years ago?
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jimmy says:
At this point, it has nothing to do with Rex getting more involved, you cant teach a kid instincts. Dropping back, with an overload blitz and Leigh Bodden coming right for you, and he flicks a ball up for grabs off his back foot. You learn to protect the ball in middle school, high school, and i know dam well Pete Carrol stressed it. There is nothing anyone can teach him as he is regressing and continues to make these horrible decisions with the football
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o stop acting like sanchez is jamarcus russel. chill
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TruJetFan says:
Why in the world did we hire a head coach to be a Defensive Coordinator?!?!?!? This is B.S.!!!! Rex…. BE THE HEAD COACH. NOW?!?!?!?! You’re going to start talking to the QUARTERBACK?!?!?!?!?! WHAT??????!!!!?!?!?!?!?
WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN DOING?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!
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Thank you. I mean are we still on this Sanchez thing?
Oh you mean he’s a rookie? And he’s played like a rookie. YOu know how many other screwed up things went on in that game? beleive me, Sanchez’s INTs are the last thing you should be worrying about. Worry about that tackling because what Maurony did yesterday was just disturbing.
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jamarcus russell and derek andersen are the only qbs that have played worse than sanchez this year, and theyve both been benched! 16 interceptions and 9 fumbles, theres no excuse, its poor decision making. Then he goes and says in his press conference that he feels a little “over confident” with his throws, are you joking?! This kid has gotten worse each week, since everyone deemed his Mark “Sanchise” after week 3.
He’s soft, hes a california boy who doesnt know reprecussions for his poor decisions. From what I hear, he lives like a rock star, and has not earned his dues in the nfl. When Pete Carroll wanted him to stay last year, it wasnt because he faulted his physical makeup, but his mental makeup.
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no Kris Jenkins=bad things. hey w/o the 2 Sanchez picks that went/turned into tds how many points did the pats score? 17. that’s pretty good
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Alot of screwed up things happened during that game, but how are you going to say 5 turnovers by your quarterback is the last thing that should be on my mind? when it lead to 17 points. The game was over at 14-0 because nobody at this point believed Sanchez could have lead a comeback, not against a well coached team. I agree the tackling was horrible, Kerry Rhodes should have benched, thats how bad he played, and eric coleman needs to get a picture of wes welker, because even after 4 quarters of play he didnt know what he looked like
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cutlers been worse,and hes an ”established” qb. remember how we were begging for him in the off season ?how much wud u b screaming now? at least sanchezs mistakes r fixable,2 of his ints were good reads but overthrows. chill.dnt b a typical jet fan thats gonna call him a bust already. have patience.
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Rookies have to have these kinds of games. STop killing the guy. He’ll be a great QB but chemistry takes years to build.e wasn’t on the field when Marony and Welker were running through your defense like a hot knife through butter.
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Jimmy,
I’m not saying that those turnovers had no effect. i’m saying he has a right to screw up. You’re going to get these kind of games from Sanchez. He’s a guslinger QB. He wills the ball and sometimes it doesn’t work out.
Remember that Matty Ice is the exception not the norm.
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You cant compare the two situations of cutler and sanchez, too completely different situations, and i can argue cutler has not been worse. And im not saying sanchez wont be a good player, but he has no respect for the football. He needed to be benched at halftime sunday, if there was any chance to bench him. he needs to know theres reprocussions for his decision making, hes playing “too cool” about his performance for a guy whose stunk up the place so bad.
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Crystal Gunns says:
Mark needs a veteran prescence on the bench. Right now he’s got a head coach that knows zero about offense and an OC who thinks he is early 2000′s Mike Martz. Get a veteran back up who at this point could have stepped in to help right the ship. There is too much talent here to have this type of year essentially due to the QB play. And by the way get rid of goddamn Brian Schottenheimer.
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Jimmy, Like a lot of fans I think you’re looking for a place to hang your anger. But a rookie Qb is about the worst place you can put it. THis happens to rookie QBs. Hell it still happens to Brett favre right?
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yes lets bench him now and put in savior kellen clemens.wat good is that gonna do?let sanchez get experiance on the field not off
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your right, rookies make mistakes, and we can expect them. But you cant have this kid regress week after week. Hes gotten worse not better. He has every tool to succeed. Hes not a gunslinger, Hes got the pieces. Thomas Jones and Shonn Greene can run the ball. He just needs to compliment the running game. they have the best running game in the league.
Their defense wasnt horrible. You cant fault your defense when your offense is handing the ball to the other team in great field position. The second half the defense played very well.
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“Right now he’s got a head coach that knows zero about offense and an OC who thinks he is early 2000’s Mike Martz.”
Pricelees. I love it.
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brett favre made many bad decisions, but also played with a torn rotator cuff, how are youi going to compare those two right now?
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Has he regressed? Or have some of his rookie decision-making been exposed as Schotty continues to screw up the offense, he tries to adjust to Edwards, and the team around him makes more mistakes every game? This is a team loss. Not a Sanchez loss.
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How did his torn rotator cuff affect his decision making? He’s a vet.
Now I’m of the opinion that it was more the teams fault than Favre’s but still gunslinger’s a gunslinger.
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He has regressed. Its obvious. Schottenheimer cant throw the ball away for sanchez, Schotty cant move Sanchez’s eyes away from one receiver, hes regressed in that now hes compounding his mistakes. its all compounded by the makeup of Sanchez and Ryan. Sanchez eating a hot dog on the sideline has more to do with this than youd think…
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jimmy those things can b fixed. but for now hes a rookie learning. i agree sometimes he makes the same mistake more than once. but its bec hes a rookie
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He’s a kid that has played 1 year of college football and we’re 10 games into his career, and we want to make an evaluation that he will never be any good? That is ridiculous. I agree he is not seeing the game right now, but we’ve seen flashes of solid play. How about the throw he made to Cotch? That was a big time pass. I do agree with Jimmy in that if we don’t change the people around him he will regress.
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me2.but as u said. lets not kill him. hes a rookie
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you cant dismiss everything because hes a rookie. These are the reasons why he continues to make poor decisions. He doesnt know reprocussions for his actions. He acts as if he has everytihng under control, saying how he feels “overconfident” in his abilities. mathew stafford has surpassed and run laps around mark sanchez on a far worse team. He has the makup, the defense, the running game, he just needs to fit into the puzzle, and when? when does he learn? when does he decide to tuck with the ball instead of folding like a deck of cards with pressure in his face, and out of being afraid flicks the ball in the air. these are the mistakes. He has great feet, he can make plays, but then he makes you scratch your head as he throws a ball right to a defender, instead of throwing it into the third row
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im not saying he wont be a good nfl player, because i think he has the physical makeup, he has a plus arm and tremendous feet. But his mental makeup is a head spinner. He parades around town like a rock star, thinks far too much of himself, he needed to be benched sunday to learn a little humility. he needs to learn humility and needs to learn to respect the football
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Absolutely he is making horrible mistakes. He should be managing the game with 15-18 attempts per game and they should be using the 3rd best rushing offense in the league and their defense. And he does have pieces in this offense, and its not fair that the vets who have been here like Ellis and some other guys have to go through this, but what are our options? Kellen Clemens? No thanks. A veteran QB should have been here as a backup/mentor. They had a competition between two guys who basically had no experience, which was not a competition at all. Mr. T should have had a proven QB here also. The bottom line is we don’t have that guy so you have to dummy down the offense.
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he already throws in the bottom 5 in the league in pass attempts per game. you cant have your qb throw 15 times a game, youd be running 55 times a game.
Football is not diffucult in this regard, they flood the box, you throw, they back off, you run….yanno, i mean its not that hard.
Im not saying Kellen Clemons will step in and be the answer. But Mark Sanchez is the star child who needs to learn humility. He has no respect for football, as everything has been cattered to him. Right now there telling him its ok to compound these mistakes, its ok to turn the ball over 5 times, because there will be no consequences. Humility, is what he must learn
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lol, throw the ball 15 times times a game. Might as well run the ball everytime or take a knee, because your telling your team, your fans and the opposing team that your quarterback cannot get the job done
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Look, just because he’s a rookie and barely started in college doesnt excuse him. Not one bit, especially with the way he’s being paid. The reason that so many of us are so exasperated with Sanchez is because we are all hard-working New Yorkers and in this town, if you don’t perform, you’re gone. Does anyone honestly think that a similar performance at any of our jobs would fly? Go blow 6 out of 7 deals and see how long before you’re out of a job. In my case, if I ended up maiming 6 out of 7 patients I saw and gave the lame excuse that I’m only an student I’d be canned. If he’s not ready to perform, take him off the field and let him learn until he is. Until then, put in someone better, someone who give you a chance to win football games. I pay to see wins, not progress.
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I know what you you’re saying. He def has a lot to learn. Maybe a benching to teach. I agree he should have been sat down, but there should have been a better option available.
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Dude, he only threw 20 times this week and 4 were ints. You have more faith in him right now or TJ to break one. 15 is obviously low 18-20 but you get the picture
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first step is Rex Ryan needs to stop making excuses for his team. In the PC he said that this game was the first game he felt his team has truly been beat. wtf is that?! What about the other 5 losses? Your the head coach… Take notes from Mike Tomlin, cause hes a head coach who knows what hes doing. He says theres no reason for it, no excuse, and it wont happen.. period..hes a winner…take notes from him. Your a head coach, not a DC anymore. Theirs 3 fazes of football, not 1. Dont whip out the stat sheet…ughhh well we did thiss..;..shutup. serioously. theres a reason why you lost. get your kleenex, blow your nose, whipe your eyes, and right the ship. He needs to learn his own humility before any of this gets better.
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you throw the ball 18 times and TJ wont see the line of scrimmage..Tell the other team your gunna run the ball every play, and see if you still can. you cant run the ball 50 times a game.
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In Baltimore’s wins last year Flacco attempted between 19-25 passes. I think 26 once. All I’m saying is rest on the defense and the running game that’s the point.
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4 games over 200 yds passing. How’d it work for them.
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I understand your meaning. Yes, the offense succeeds through their running game, but you cant put a number on the amount of passes he throws, this isnt baseball. You keep a gameplan, and adjust as the game progresses, as does youir team. If your down 10 in the 4th, you dont run everytime because sanchez already threw 21 times. the Jets are getting 3rd and 3′s, easy throws to make, its poor judgement and lack of awareness
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You’re saying he’s not that good I’m saying they’re asking too much of him…I think we can agree it’s somehwhere in the middle. Just curious, were you one of the guys drooling over Wrecks Ryan like everyone else on this site or did you want someone proven? It doesn’t sound like you’re into this guy’s nonsense.
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I don’t think anyone is trying to excuse Sanchez for his mistakes. But I think you have to be realistic about what you can expect from a rookie QB. And these things we are talking about right now are the kinds of thinks that rookie QBs do. That’s just the breaks.
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igs- you can expect a rookie to make physical errors, a missed throw etc..not a mental breakdown. a kid learns to throw the ball away in high school, theres no excuse for handing the ball over as much as he does. its not just the breaks. Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Ben Roethlisberger, Chad Henne. Succesful rookie quarterbacks are not a phenominon. even matthew stafford and Josh Freeman have added a spark.To go in the first round, its a given you have the physical settup, buts its the mindset that yyou cant teach, the seperates the Big Bens from the Jamarcus Russells.
Crystal Gunns- Ive grown very tired of this guy and this clown he brought over in Bart Scott. Their arrogance and “cool” have gone stail, and dont know how to take responsibility. He is acting as if this team were 8-2 with the way he gives accolades to this team. They have potential, and Rex has potential as a coach, but it starts with his self arrogance and self entitlement
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Maybe if someone did to Sanchez what they did to Jimmy Clausen, he’d have some incentive to take care of the ball a little better: http://tinyurl.com/y9ktjex
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haha thats funny man
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Brandon from Illinois says:
Schotty still needs to go. Rex might be able to get Sanchez to protect the ball, but they won’t score enough points without a new play caller. Bringing back Pennington to help this kid wouldn’t hurt, either.
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Dean Barbella says:
I like Rex, but I hate p*ssy’s. So, he feels ‘disrespected by the Patriots’ decision to throw a deep pass intended for Randy Moss with 30 seconds left in the Jets’ 31-14 loss Sunday.
My feelings. Your not hire to be a lawyer. Play football and beat the Patriots. I’m a Jets fan and I wanna win even if it means going on the offense versus team owners, coaches and players. In other words, if ya can’t win, get gone – good bye.
You’ve got no room for apologies ’cause I’ve run out of forgiveness. It’s been fourty years. Nothing’s guaranteed except we’re gonna die and the Jets suck.
****in Turn it around! Do ya hear me Woody?! I hope you feel my pain in your pocketbook.
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A couple of pennies worth, don’t you guys have a QB coach? I’m sure you do, every NFL club does, obviously at least one problem lies with whoever that is. I’m not saying your OC is a genius but he’s not a complete idiot either, almost every team in the NFL has offensive screw ups on occasion (except perhaps the Colts) so you don’t have the market cornered, place the blame squarely at the feet of the person charged with helping Sanchez improve.
There are two problems with the get Weiss for OC crowd: after all this time out of the NFL his time has probably passed and if it hasn’t who do you think he’d rather play for, the Jests or the Pats? Anyone? Is that the sound of crickets I hear? -
Did the Raiders feel disrepected when the Jets left the entire starting D on the field and kept blitzing while trying to preserve the shut out?
What goes around comes around. Once again, Rex, shut your face and find your way into those offensive meeting rooms. I find it inscrutable that the front office has to push you in that direction. Do you not cash the big check every week, the one with all those extra 0000′s thanks to the title Head Coach?
Great stats Jamesion, thanks. Brees stats in his final year there are actually underwhelming considering what he had to work with.
I am the lone member of the Kellen Clemens fan club, but at this point as a Jets fan I realize it would be silly to bench Sanchez.
Simplify the game plan and let Mark start, although I AM beginning to come around to the theory that maybe this kid might need a benching from an attitude perspective. He seems just a tad full of himself and might need to actually incur consequences for his bad play.
So heres the deal, simplify the gameplan and give him a chance to excel. But the first time he throws a second INT in any game going forward that is actaully his fault, not a tipped ball for example, then sit him down for the remainder of that game only. Consequence, nothing wrong with it, better athletes than him have been benched.
As for you guys complaining he is being asked to throw too much, its not the quantity of passes but rather the circumstances of those calls that are the problem.
First, Schottys system is simply too damn complicated, just ask Farve.
With all the pre snap reads, options and audibles I am sure he is confused. THAT needs to be simplified first and the easiest way to to that is to fire Schott.
Then they need to call plays to his strengths.
For example, its not horrible that they threw the ball on the first play of JAX game, but rather the actual play that was the problem. A play action screen play would have been fine, a roll out left bomb not so fine.
Sanchez even alluded to “getting comfortable” something he has never been afforded. Come out of the locker room with a few short easy completions in mind, let him settle early in the game.
Schotty did the same thing to Clemens, threw the whole book at him in his first start vs the freaking RAVENS !! With NO offensive line!
Schott should have been fired right there.
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M. Golden, I believe Weiss is owed a ton of money is he not? If so, why would he work anywhere this season?
But I do agree with the premise, IF he did return he would likely return to the Pats in some capacity, he left on good terms.
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Bent says: MG – Matt Cavanaugh is the current QB coach but, interestingly, the Jets were without one for a couple of years during the Mangini era.
If Weis became available this offseason would the Pats get rid of their current OC to give him a job? If the Jets’ position is open (remember he has coached for this organizaton too), but the Pats’ isn’t then maybe he would consider it. Again, I’m not endorsing it or saying it’s likely – just a thought. If I was Weis, wouldn’t my reputation be enhanced more by turning the Jets offense around rather than going to NE where the offense is already good and Belichick will get most of the credit?
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Deven says:
Weis loves Tom Brady and will def. go back to the Jets. Its about time Rex started acting like a head coach and getting sanchez’s face. I think shotty will be gone for Cavanaugh cuz Rex loves that guy. But is the problem really Shotty? We are first in the NFL in rushing and around 5th in defense. You can only see one problem with that picture and its not the play calling, its the constant ability of Sanchez to throw to the other team. Shotty will take the hit, but not sure its all his fault, however those stats by Jameson def made e think twice, because Pennington rarely throws picks and those were awful years for him. and even look at farve now. 21-3 TD/INT ratio. As far as the draft Jets need a pass rusher amd someone opposite revis cuz Lito is terrible.
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Scouse Jet says:
did you guys see Flacco’s INT on BALs last drive on Sunday? Two points down on IND 20, 3 minutes left and throws into triple coverage over the middle.
Can you imagine if Sanchez had done that? We’d be lynching Schotty, Sanchez and anyone else who got in the way.
We need to calm down a bit on the Sanchez front, give the guy a chance. With Schotty……I’m not so sure
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Sanchez is young yes, but you can’t excusing turnover after turnover and costing the Jets games. I just wanna see progress from now till the season’s end, because clearly the season is over, unless we run the table which ain’t gunna happen
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reality jet fan says:
This head coach is a bufoon. This moron waits to week 11 to pay attention to the offense and special teams ! He is the head coach! We got a real winner here. And all the jet fans praying that its shottys fault remember rex begged him to stay.
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Some of you are hoping its shotty and not ryan or sanchez and i hope you are right.
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Bent says:
“And all the jet fans praying that its shottys fault remember rex begged him to stay.”
Is that right? Some people say that Tannenbaum forced Schottenheimer on him and he never would have been hired if he didn’t go along with it.
As ever, I expect the answer is somewhere between the two, but I’m sure they’ll make someone the scapegoat after the fact.
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Jimmy,
“you can expect a rookie to make physical errors, a missed throw etc..not a mental breakdown.”
Nooooo, rookies have lots of mental breakdowns. You can expect at least 1 major mental breakdown per season for the 1st 3 years. Anything less is just pure luck. And that’s not just for QBs.
I mean if this was a game where everyone else on the team played well and Sanchez just randomly caused these 5 turnovers, than I may agree with where you want to focus you energy right now. But the fact is that this was a team loss. And I think a lot of that you can still chalk up to growing pains.
And lets not forget that Rex Ryan is a rookie head coach.
Now all that stuff I been talking about building a team with draft picks instead of trying to throw one together, this chemistry issue speak directly to that.
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Brendan says:
Really igs? What does any of this have to do with draft picks?
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Bent says:
Maybe it’s because rookies have so many mental breakdowns that the Jets have only picked 13 times in 3 years.
Just playin’…
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NamVetJet says:
Wouldn’t having Rex and Weiss put us over the coaching weight limit?
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Brendan, because the things that are happening on the field, despite the fact that people want to put it all on the QB – a lot of it comes from a lack of chemistry. IMO there’s just not enough guys here that came up in the system together. And as the players have the chance to grow together you see this team have more success.
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igs,
Well I would assume you mean offensive system, since our defensive system has only been here 10 games, so no one could have come up in it.
And out of our offense, Brick, Mangold, Moore, Keller, Cotchery, Brad Smith, Leon and Sanchez all were either drafted during the current offensive system or were here when it started. That’s 8 players out of the top 13 offensive players (I realize Smith and Leon don’t start, but Smith is our #3 when healthy and Leon is obviously vital to our offense). Is it really an issue about the draft and chemistry?
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NamVetJet – baaaaaaaaahahahahahaha
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I said a big part of it not all of it. There’s also a terrible OC and the propensity to switch defensive systems (which has a great affect on the layers you draft and keep). It still amounts to the fact that theres no getting around time.
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Bent Some people say and i heard rex ryan say he wanted him to stay. You wouldnt suggest that our upfront honest coach would lie. And what about the fact that the qb is regressing and week 11 is when the hc decides to do his job! Give me a break everyone wants the next bb and so do i . But he has been terrible except for his fuuny press conferences.
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This coach is scaring the sh@t out of me!
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JetNut says:
HAHA
look at you guys talking about sanchez now?
wat do you think they said to peyton mannings 28 INT rookie season?
lmfao dudes… priceless
sanchez is gunna work hard to fix it
but we need to get rid of SCHOTTY
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Peyton manning was not surrounded with a very good team like sanchez. A nd i love that its shottys fault and not rex ryan.
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reality jet fan,
Who calls the atrocious offensive plays? Don’t think it’s Rex.
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All rex does is have funny press conferences and tells hte d to blitz. But its week 11 so i guess its time for him to pay attention to the whole team .
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So for 11 weeks rex ryan has been getn paid to be a hc but as only been doing the work of a def. coor. what a great job.
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If you read the article it says he’s going to be attending more offensive meetings. It’s not like he would run away during offensive practice time, or fall asleep in offensive meetings. He did what most coaches do when they first start out, which is delegate to someone who is (supposedly) competent at his job. Schotty clearly is inept at what he does and Rex is stepping in to save his young QB. Schotty will be gone after this year and in no way is that a “someone’s gotta go” firing, it’s a “This guy’s got to go” firing for someone who has an offensive scheme that’s a QB killer and someone who is terrible at not only calling plays, but designing them (having two receivers run downfield 10-15 yards while being close enough to hold hands will never lead to good things…see: Sanchez’s pick 6).
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Stepping in to save his young qb! hahahaha
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I’m glad that’s funny, but it’s the truth. He knows that if Sanchez doesn’t start showing some improvement he could start heading down a path you can’t come back from. I really think that by “getting in Sanchez’s ear” he really means getting in Schotty’s ear to keep him on course and keep Sanchez under 20 passes per game.
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cosifantutti says:
Going to a meeting with the kid to tell him not to throw it to the other team is not going to cut it. A prior post had it right: if he didn’t learn this in jr. high, high school, and 5 million college practices, he isn’t learning it from a meeting. He needs a smack in the head, i.e., a benching to figure it out. This bag of wind coach is headed for a nervous breakdown and needs to calm himself down first, and then the kid, and learn from the other HC’s who stick with the program. Like a lot of comedian types, he needs a lot of attention, but its the wrong thing for the team. They need someone to fear he is going to fire their butts, not love them and watch them grow.
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cosifantutti,
Until this season, Sanchez’s accuracy was never an issue.
Here is Scout.com’s scouting report for Sanchez entering the draft (accuracy section):
Accuracy
Sanchez not only completed 65.85% of his passes in 2008, 147-of 241 completions produced first downs. He has very good touch and velocity on short and intermediate throws. When playing the vertical game, he leads the receivers well, giving them the space they need to adjust. He is accurate at all levels both from the pocket and on the move. He throws a catchable ball with zip or touch, making it easy for his receivers to be successful without breaking off their routes. He will generally throw a tight spiral with good zip on his deep throws and does a nice job of hitting his receivers in stride, as he knows how to adjust the velocity on his short tosses so his target does not have to work back for the ball. He gets good touch and has improved his trajectory on his deep throws, along with showing the ability to stick the ball in tight areas.
So it’s not something he didn’t learn in high school or college. He was accurate, and coming into Schotty’s system has caused that accuracy to vaporize. What would benching do for him. He needs practice reading pro defenses, but he needs a coach who isn’t going to put too much of the onus on him. Rex is going to ride Schotty and keep Sanchez’s throws around 20 a game.
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What took him so long! All of these jet fans hoping and praying its shotty and not rex and mark because if it is we stink for the next 5 years. A head coach thinks after 11 weeks now is the time to get in your rookie qbs here what the f@ck was he waiting for!
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My god how could u blindly defend a coach htat has been a jet for 11 weeks.
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The kid crying ater the bills game or freaking out after the panther game that wasnt the time to get in the rookie qbs ear give me a breah!
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Brendan
He never saw pro-level defense in college. The simple fact is he is not accurate now under pressure. He has to learn to eat it or throw it away and not try to be a hero. He seems too immature to get it unless he is put in the doghouse for a half or a game or whatever.
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I’m not saying he doesn’t need to learn how to eat it or throw it away. I think that’s probably one of his 3 biggest issues. What I’m saying is this notion that he’s always been this way is 100% incorrect.
I also thinking benching him is by far the worst way to go about fixing him. The kid’s not going to let this game ruin him just like he didn’t let the NO and Buffalo games ruin him. He bounced back from each of those, and I expect him to do it again. You said it yourself “he never saw pro-level defense in college” so sitting him would get him more exposure to them?
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I think Sanchez’s issues are mechanical and he needs to work on certain flaws he has in the off-season. If I have the time, I want to look at all of Sanchez’s 16 INTs. I’m guessing a lot are to the left and he fails to loft the ball to the receiver’s outside shoulder. Now, there is a chance that Schotty is telling him something different, but I always thought that on a sideline pattern, the ball has to be placed between the WR and the sideline to minimize the chance of a jumped route…if the WR misses it, it’s out-of-bounds. When Sanchez gets picked, IMO, it’s usually because he’s not throwing the ball deep enough or high enough, especially to the left. I don’t think it’s an arm strength issue, I think it’s strictly a ball placement issue.
I think that he’ll get better, that benching him wouldn’t be productive, and he just has to learn to take a sack or throw the ball away. Namath said that trusting his running game and defense and not trying to force things was the toughest lesson for him to learn. Sanchez has to learn the same thing, especially deep in Jets territory or on 3rd down.
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Eddie DiGio says:
reality jet fan
Here is a dose of reality…Rookie HCs and rookie QBs do not flourish in the NFL. In fact they fail, and most of the time miserably at that. Stop attacking people for trying to have some hope in there team.This is the toy dept man. You are allowed to lose yourself or maybe believe in your team a little more than everyone else in sports because at the end of the day, its not that serious. You arent breaking down social barriers or solving the health care issue by telling other Jet fans that the way they root for their team is all wrong and you have all the answers. The reality is you are just another schlep like the rest of us.
The reality of it is that fans like you do not understand that winning in the NFL does not happen over night. You dont come in with a rookie HC and rookie QB and just take off. It is a bumpy, bumpy ride.
What I dont get is the fact that if you KNOW this team is DOOMED, and will NEVER WIN, and everything is ALL WRONG, why do you even bother? Why even be a fan? You know whats gonna happen! Rex will conquer more pizzas than opposing QBs and Sanchez will be stealing his players prescription pain killers when he is the QB coach at USC and out of the league in 5 years !
The reality is that your whole view of the Jets accentuates the SOJ mentality. The constant attack of your own players, coaches and fellow fans. But believe me, you arent exactly doing Gods work with all the negativity you spew on a daily basis.
Congrats bro for not telling us anything that Dolphins and Pat fans do on a daily basis
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hank/naples says:
SD:
You are soooo off base on this one, it isn’t funny.
His issues are all in his head. Starting with the bigger than thou, can do no wrong treatment he got @ USC final year, then the millio$$$$ he got for skipping his senior year, and on to all the Namath like PR he got in NY!!!
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Bent says:
I predicted that Brady Quinn’s accuracy would suffer in the NFL (he is at 53.8% after being 60% in college – including 65% and 62% in the last two years). The reason I predicted this was that Quinn made use of his taller receivers whenever he threw downfield, by just throwing it up so they could make a play. That wouldn’t come so easily against NFL corners, I supposed, and while his numbers said accurate, it was partly due to the fact he threw a lot of short passes too.
I don’t necessarily think the same is true for Sanchez, but maybe it’s a factor. He did have some similar big targets to throw to – Turner, Davis, Hazelton.
Whatever the issue is, let’s hope he adjusts and the completion percentage rises (as happens with many young QBs).
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reality:
Your comments have been DEAD ON !!!!!
Every one of them, in my humble opinion.
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bent:
It is all conjecture.
Brady’s % has been all about the team, the vision, the continuity, the coaching arround him. He may not be a “Franchez” but he is accurate, and he WILL prove it sooner rather that later.
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hank/naples,
In another thread, I said that his issues could be mental. I’m not dismissing that, I just think it’s too early for that call. Plus, most of his INTs are just inaccurate throws. Only a small minority are the type you’re talking about…an excessively high opinion of himself that cause him to be reckless, sort of like what you said about Favre last year.
Problem is that once Favre (and Chad, for that matter) left the Jets and Schotty, they stopped throwing nearly a TD for every INT. So, I just can’t decipher what’s wrong and it could be a combination of: recklessness, Schotty, immaturity and/or mechanics. I just don’t know. I’m just not a comfortable as you are to throw Sanchez under the bus…he’s now just a 23-year old kid. Here’s food for thought: Cotchery, Keller, Edwards and Clowney all have receptions of 40 yards or more this season. That’s pretty good for a rookie. Maybe he’s been asked to do too much?
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Bent,
I predicted that Quinn wouldn’t make it as a pro because of inferior arm strength. Plus, I kind of wish Sanchez lofted the ball up more, he just misses open guys.
I’m starting to think that Schotty is the Paganini of OCs. His offensive game plans are so complex that only a virtuoso QB can play in his system. Problem is that if guys like Chad and Favre can’t have a 2-1 TD to INT ratio in his offense, who can?
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Yea Hank, its real easy to take you seriously when you start with the Brady Quinn “is the next big thing” talk,
You are already writing the book on a 23 year old rookie and a rookie HC, while trying to tell the rest of us to look out for the Mangini led Cleveland Browns, who might be the 2nd worst team in the history of the NFL.
You need to get a grip on reality. Itd be one thing if you were pumping up Cowher or Holmgren, but its ERIC FREAKIN MANGINI Your boy Mangini is FINISHED. Holmgren is taking that job either as HC or GM, either way Mangini is $#itCANNED out of there!!!
You talk about Ws and Ls and thats how you judge the Jets but you have a complete double standard with regards to Mangini. It will never pan out bc he is DONE after this season.
What happend to Chad outplaying Manning this year?
How about Brett Favre being FINISHED?The only thing you are good at is being the worlds BIGGEST JINX and your existence makes the Jets worse off.
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SD:
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I’ve been a staunch supporter of Schotty since day one, but I must agree with you in part that I’m starting to have my doubts which have, in a small part, contributed to his problemsI have said since the pre-season Ravens game that Franchez’s problems are more emotional than anything else. This has been prevelant on several occasions from day ONE,during the winns and the losses.
You can hear it during ALL the Mia culpas of his pressers. His body language of his losses. You can see it during his lack of presence in the pocket, I hate to say it again, his “deer in the headlights” his happy feet , failure to see the field, and other faults that are NOT mechanical, that are ALL INDUCED BY HIS EMOTIONAL STATE.
I might be wrong about this guy but I don’t think so. If I am wrong, it is going to take a while for him to correct all these issues and by then there is no promise that he will deliver us from he!!
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Kevino says:
Jimmy was watching / listening to Mike Francesa on Monday… lol
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And all you positive jet fans arent telling me anything i dont hear from the jets coach and gm.
Charlie Weiss OC of the Jets next year. Wishful thinking, but he is great with QB’s as a coordinator. As far as Rex getting more involved, I think it’s a good move, and like you said, maybe a little late.