Daily Links: h4×0r3d 3d!t1oN
Posted on November 24th, 2009 by Bassett
- PFT / Florio’s reports on Clowney’s account hacking.
- Our friend e_man does an interesting comparison of Mark and Peyton’s first ten games. Guess who’s results are better so far?
- Players are rallying round the rookie.
- Hutch reports on Ryan’s insistence he’ll be more (macro) involved in overseeing the offense.
- Manish Mehta writes up who looked good, and who didn’t.
- Phil Mushnick is talking about the Jets attempts to incent you to buy PSLs.
- Sanchez is learning from the best ghost of former Jets, yet still alive QB.
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If you look at Mark’s stats from Jetswit, he’s basically had 3 horror games (NO, BUF and NEP) and the rest of the season has been pretty good.
3 bad games: 12 INT – Rating sub 40 – 6 yds or fewer per attempt – comp under 52% – 1 TD
6 other games – 4 INT – Rating 80+ (except Jax) – 7 yds+ per attempt (except TEN) – comp 53%+ (except MIA) – 9 TDs.
Peyton didn’t have these good games apart from against SFO and a lesser extent the Jets. Take out those 2 games and he loses 6TDs, only 2 INTs and doesn’t pass a rating of 70.
Yes, Mark has had some dreadful games (as did Peyton here and in MIA), but he has shown more glimpses than Peyton did in his first 9 games (not saying he’ll be better here, just that there’s hope) Peyton’s best game was better than Mark’s, but it was only 1 game. If you take out the top and bottom 2 games of both guys, Mark’s numbers are not too bad in comparison to Peyton’s.
MS – 7INT – 8TDs – Rating around 80
PM 14INT – 8TD – Rating around 65
Sorry meant ten games not nine. The arguement’s the same though
Also need to remember Peyton was on a horrible Colts team that season. There’s a reason teams get the #1 overall pick. Mark has been able to play with a top defense and run game, only helps him. Not trying to discredit the whole point of the comparison, just an important factor to consider.
Mark has meltdown in 3 games out of 10. Thats not that bad considering his inexperience and being a rookie. It’s bad because its on a team competing for a playoff spot, but in the grand scheme of things, its what we all expected before the media hype from the first few weeks.
Speaking of rookies, I was really impressed with Matthew Stafford’s game sunday. Thats the beauty of starting rookies, they can have some horrible games, but you just want to see glimpses of what they can do, and Stafford showed that this past week. Good way to justify all that rookie money. Man he was impressive.
Taking your own arguement a bit further, and taking nothing from Stafford for the win, but it was against Mangini, and especially on Sunday, Elam’s Browns
Haha so true. How bad are the freakin’ Browns. The StuporBowl was fantastic thought.
Yeah I know, but I loved a few things. one was the across the body deep bomb he threw in stride to Calvin Johnson. The other is the story Peter King wrote about in his MMQB, about how he evaded all the trainers to get back onto the field for the last play of the game, in which he drills a TD pass for the win all just minutes after he popped his non-throwing shoulder. thats impressive.
The most incredible thing about that game was that Hank Poteat apparently thought you could commit pass interference freely once the QB leaves the pocket. Illegal contact? Yes. On a tipped pass? Yes. In this situation? Of course not…otherwise every WR would be tackled to the ground as soon as the QB rolled out or was flushed from the pocket. The resultant penalty gave the Lions the chance to win the game on the last play. Incredible.
Considering that guy has been coached by Mangini for the last six years, that’s a poor indictment on Mangini’s coaching.
Scouse Jet,
Where ya from? My mom’s from Liverpool and I lived their for three years, growing up. Any chance you’re a Jets – Everton fan, like me?
C’Mon Ya Blues!
Or, do you only like losing in American Football – lol?!
Dean
Bent, somewhere Hank’s ears are burning.
I only mentioned it because I’m interested to see how you could possibly defend it, which I’m sure he will be able to do somehow.
mangini, in the post-gane presser said that he had not seen that call made before — he needs a rules refresher as well
There is a rule though that once the QB leaves the pocket, illegal contact becomes legal, correct? Thats what Bent said. It was also mentioned on-air either in the Jets game or the Colts game before it.
I had never heard that rule before. Thats my point, so I was surprised to hear it. How can the Ref make the judgement call correct though. so many things are going on at once (I know the difference is wether the ball is in the air or not, in the air =PI, not in the air = illegal contact)
No Dean, a lot worse than that, a Tranmere fan. Three wins out od 18 this season.
We’re the Browns of English football
Wow! We’re having a poor season. I watched Everton lose to Man U yesterday 3-0.
I’m on vacation, so I can afford to watch our NFL (Jets) team plus MLB (Mets) and British Premiership teams lose 24/7.
If you haven’t already, go check out the Brian Clough movie – “Damned United.”
Awesome flick!
I read the book this last summer, the gut was a toatl prick, and absolute legend, but a total prick.
I watched the first half against Utd and turned off at half time. No point watching. A bit like The Jets Sunday too
You’re a sucker for dodgey teams though. Not a Knicks and Isles fan too are you?
My dad’s out in Socal so I get my baseball losses in padres blue. At least the Devils are doing well so far, they’re the only one of my teams who are.
Bent:
That’s absolutely correct. Poteat’s back was to the play and did not know the ball was in the air. He anticipated wrong, and should have known better. He is definitely NOT known foas a Rhodes scholar. However, there are 10-15 players in a very small area ALL jostling for position and You NEVER, NEVER see a Hail Mary end in a penalty. The Browns are petitioning to the league, but of course, for what?!!!
Nonetheless, it was a disgrace of a call to end the game. The biggest mistake of all, was the time out called by the Browns prior to that play. Mangini wanted to organize his defense, but should’ve let the clock wind down instead. Always something!!!
Guys— illegal contact occurs BEFORE the pass — once the ball is in the air such contact is PASS INTERFERENCE and a penalty should be called.
Basically, you can’t put your hands on the receiver after 5 yards unless the ball gets tipped. He can run around for 5 minutes behind the line of scrimmage and you still can’t touch a receiver downfield.
Hank,
Poteat was facing the receiver and driving him out of the endzone. I’m sorry, but just because it’s the last play of the game doesn’t mean the refs keep their flags glued to their pockets. Where were there 10-15 players in that area? I counted 5- Maiva, Poteat, Pool of the Browns and then Johnson and Johnston. That was clearly a penalty and deserved to be called.
Brendan;
And now on to the REAL subject:
Comparing Paytonto Franchez in their first year is ridiculous!! You are closer to compare Franchez to Namath. Or Cricket to Baseball !!
Their lifes history, upbringing ,FAMILY, education, football experience, intelligence, college fooball acomplishment,s ETC,ETC,ETC is soooo distant from one another, that any coorelation to future performance is a JOKE !! The only similarity is that they both played WITH A FOOTBALL.
This comparison is dilusional and must be stopped.
1- I’m not the only one who makes that comparison.
2- The reason I make it is because if Peyton had that season, in NY, you people would have burned him at the stake.
3- The comparison is not delusional, it is showing how a rookie season is just that, a rookie season, and not necessarily indicative of future success/failure.
Brendan:
Stop it, stop it !! I said Poteats back was to the ball and anticipated wrong. But if you look at EVERY HAIL MARY, there are 10-15 players all JOSTLING, NUDGING (PUSHING?) for position and NEVER, NEVER , EVER does this play end with a flag and the game clock at 00:00.
Hank, my point is, this hail mary wasn’t one with 10-15 guys jostling for position. The Lions had guys running back and forth in the end zone and when Calvin Johnson went to break towards the ball (which was thrown short of him where he could have outjump/muscled everyone else) Poteat literally did an offensive lineman block. He faced up on him and pushed him out of the back of the endzone. That is a penalty. That doesn’t happen every hail mary. That should have been called.
Hank, I think the idea (or at least my idea) was to compare Mark’s first half season does not mean he’ll be a bust. He’s shown signs of being very good and (fewer) signs of not getting it. Peyton (or most other quality QB you might chose) has had similar problems in his first 10 games.
You can’t say today, 10 games in, whether Mark will be Peyton Manning or McNabb, or any other starting NFL QB. What it does show is that all is not lost and 6 of those 10 games Mark has been a quality QB.
He has lost us 3 games not all six. @MIA (not his fault), Jax (not his fault) MIA (not his Fault)
The timeout was crucial, because of it, Stafford was able to come back in for one more player. Without it, he had to sit out the play.
I’ve seen PI’s before on Hail Mary’s. It’s not common, but Hail Mary’s aren’t common either. Thats one advantage to throwing it up, though, you just never know if there might be contact down there. Worth a shot.
You guys are seriously delusional if you are even mentioning Mark Sanchez in the same category of Peyton Manning unless you are ranking the #1 and #32 ranked QB’s in the league
Back to the ruling…
The TV broadcast (again, not sure if it was the Jets or the Colts game prior) stated that once the QB leaves the pocket, the defense is allowed to make contact downfield. But only if the ball hasn’t been thrown yet, in which case, would result in PI….
Is this true?
All the comparisons I’ve read in the media, including the link above, all use the qualifier that they are not saying Mark Sanchez will be Peyton Manning. That is not the point.
Then what is the point?
Who would you compare him to?
starz,
I’m not sure where this idea came from that illegal contact doesn’t exist once the QB moves outside the pocket came from. If that was the case, any time a QB rolled out DB’s would just hit receivers as hard as they could and knock them down or out of bounds. “Hey! QB’s outside the pocket, no illegal contact!” Yeah, that would be bad for the league.
Illegal contact can occur, regardless of where the QB is (obviously behind the line of scrimmage) as long as contact is initiated by the defensive player past 5 yards.
*before the ball is thrown, after the ball is released it then becomes pass interference territory
Brendan;
I understand how the play went, It is just plain dumb to call a penalty then when they could call MILLIONS of other penalties during MILLIONS of Hail Marys’. Dumb, just plain dumb.
And I know, Mangini has a history as a sore loser, Big Mouth that has only coached football like 20 years, and has NEVER been involved in that play. That is why he is getting film and petitioning to the league because “he had never seen that penalty called before”.
Also, the only similarity worth comparing Payton to Franchez is that they both played football. Anything else infers, suggests, encourages one to believe that they share the same past, they may be destined to share the same future.
Like I said, dillusional, pie in the sky rhetoric that can, and likely will end in disappointment, as true Jets fans.
starz31:
In my humble opinion, during that play, every player in the end zone is an elegible receiver. Therefore the only rule, I believe applicable, is that both players must be facing each other when intentional contact occurs.
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Hank,
No one, repeat: no one, is saying Sanchez is the next Manning. We’re simply using Manning’s first 10 games, when compared to Sanchez’s first 10 games, to show that it is possible to improve epically from such a poor start to a career. I don’t know why this is delusional in your opinion, because Peyton isn’t the only QB Sanchez gets compared to.
As for your comment to starz, “Therefore the only rule, I believe applicable, is that both players must be facing each other when intentional contact occurs.” Well, that is what happened. Poteat faced up and blocked Calvin Johnson from coming back to the ball. That is not allowed, and when you’re standing one on one with a receiver in the endzone (not in a crowd of people) it will get called. Most hail mary’s have hand fighting and jostling for position, they don’t have defenders pushing receivers out of the area. Mangini will lose his complaint with the league, just like he’s destined to lose 14-15 games this season.
Yes, as I stated in the article (I wrote the piece), I say ” I am not saying Mark Sanchez is the next Peyton Manning, but I am saying that we owe it to Mark, Rex and the entire Jets organization to give him a chance.”
I read a couple comments above and agree that this was not meant to be used as a crystal ball or it was not my intent to put koolaide in your drink to think Sanchez is on the same path Manning. I kept hearing (I wasn’t the FIRST) to compare Mark to Peyton in his rookie year, so it was bothering me I couldn’t find the comparison.
I decided to whip something up with my opinions. I do love the debate it has caused. If you ask me do I want Mark to grow up and be Peyton, ABSOLUTELY, who wouldn’t, but the article never says “Don’t worry Jets fans, look Mark is doing better so he’ll win the Superbowl and 5 MVPS!”
That would be “Delusional”! Thanks for reading guys and gals.