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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/11/26/link-what-to-watch-for/comment-page-2/#comment-205206</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the primary problem with Schotty this season is that people expected more changes to his scheme due to a rookie QB and that never really happened.  They do run the ball more than they have in the past (just going by memory I believe primarily  on 2nd downs, but I dont have my laptop with me to confiorm that), but the 3rd and short calls have remained exactly the same as they were with Chad and Favre where the Jets pass a ton of times.  Compared to the ratios Flacco and Ryan had last year its just way off the charts.  

Im not one of those guys calling for Schottenheimer based on this year alone.  I get that as a rookie the guy might just not have it.  But I dont get how someone can look at Chad and Favre by any statistical measure and say this is a great offense.  It clearly is not.  I know Favre was hurt at the end, but he was not good before that.  Passable?  Sure.  Good, absolutely not.  The guy was a runner up for MVP in 2007 and going to be the runner up in 2009.  Chad was runner up in 2008.  Under Schottenheimer they threw a ton of interceptions.  I hate the idea of having a young QB, who is going to be inaccurate just because he is a rookie, be made to look 100 tines worse by playing in an offense that for whatever reason sees all their QBs throw a tremendously high amount of interceptions.  The pressure that is being put on Sanchez now because of the poor play is huge.  If they ran a dumbed down offense that didnt allow him to have those 5 pick games this discussion would not be happening.  To me the blame for that falls on the shoulders of the coach and the offensive coordinator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the primary problem with Schotty this season is that people expected more changes to his scheme due to a rookie QB and that never really happened.  They do run the ball more than they have in the past (just going by memory I believe primarily  on 2nd downs, but I dont have my laptop with me to confiorm that), but the 3rd and short calls have remained exactly the same as they were with Chad and Favre where the Jets pass a ton of times.  Compared to the ratios Flacco and Ryan had last year its just way off the charts.  </p>
<p>Im not one of those guys calling for Schottenheimer based on this year alone.  I get that as a rookie the guy might just not have it.  But I dont get how someone can look at Chad and Favre by any statistical measure and say this is a great offense.  It clearly is not.  I know Favre was hurt at the end, but he was not good before that.  Passable?  Sure.  Good, absolutely not.  The guy was a runner up for MVP in 2007 and going to be the runner up in 2009.  Chad was runner up in 2008.  Under Schottenheimer they threw a ton of interceptions.  I hate the idea of having a young QB, who is going to be inaccurate just because he is a rookie, be made to look 100 tines worse by playing in an offense that for whatever reason sees all their QBs throw a tremendously high amount of interceptions.  The pressure that is being put on Sanchez now because of the poor play is huge.  If they ran a dumbed down offense that didnt allow him to have those 5 pick games this discussion would not be happening.  To me the blame for that falls on the shoulders of the coach and the offensive coordinator.</p>
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		<title>By: Tos9987</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/11/26/link-what-to-watch-for/comment-page-2/#comment-205203</link>
		<dc:creator>Tos9987</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sanchez cant throw screen passes everyone this year has been a pic 6 to a D-lineman. Its depressing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sanchez cant throw screen passes everyone this year has been a pic 6 to a D-lineman. Its depressing</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie DiGio</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/11/26/link-what-to-watch-for/comment-page-2/#comment-205187</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie DiGio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Jones has a 4.0 ypc on 2nd down and his long runs from the Buffalo game both came on first down. I am much more confident handing the ball off on 2nd down rather than throwing it.&quot;

F@ck&#039;n a right Brendan

seanmac- 

You make some great points. Im going to have to agree to disagree with you on some of them.

Im just frustrated that after 2 quality QBs the offense continually seems to go thru periods when they just &quot;stall out&quot; completely.

I dont see Schotty protecting Sanchez the way Flacco and Ryan were last season. Sanchez has already thrown just about as much as those two did last season.

As for right now, we are just going to have to see if Schotty makes some changes now that Rex is more involved or the results continue to stay the same. That will be the true test to see where it will lead the Jets off season plans. 

Personally, I have had just about enough of Schotty, but he has 6 games left to prove me wrong...only time will tell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Jones has a 4.0 ypc on 2nd down and his long runs from the Buffalo game both came on first down. I am much more confident handing the ball off on 2nd down rather than throwing it.&#8221;</p>
<p>F@ck&#8217;n a right Brendan</p>
<p>seanmac- </p>
<p>You make some great points. Im going to have to agree to disagree with you on some of them.</p>
<p>Im just frustrated that after 2 quality QBs the offense continually seems to go thru periods when they just &#8220;stall out&#8221; completely.</p>
<p>I dont see Schotty protecting Sanchez the way Flacco and Ryan were last season. Sanchez has already thrown just about as much as those two did last season.</p>
<p>As for right now, we are just going to have to see if Schotty makes some changes now that Rex is more involved or the results continue to stay the same. That will be the true test to see where it will lead the Jets off season plans. </p>
<p>Personally, I have had just about enough of Schotty, but he has 6 games left to prove me wrong&#8230;only time will tell</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/11/26/link-what-to-watch-for/comment-page-2/#comment-205180</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jones has a 4.0 ypc on 2nd down and his long runs from the Buffalo game both came on first down. I am much more confident handing the ball off on 2nd down rather than throwing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jones has a 4.0 ypc on 2nd down and his long runs from the Buffalo game both came on first down. I am much more confident handing the ball off on 2nd down rather than throwing it.</p>
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		<title>By: seanmac31</title>
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		<dc:creator>seanmac31</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, I tend to think that the run call on 2nd and 8-10 is one of the most obvious and therefore telegraphed in all of football at this point.  I&#039;m baffled that offensive coordinators haven&#039;t started calling play action in those situations, because you can just about take it to the bank that a team will be running after a first down incompletion.  For that play call to be successful, you need to provide a serious threat with your passing game.  Looking at DVOA by down and play call, the top 2nd down run teams are all big-time passing teams like New Orleans, Indy, Green Bay and Dallas.  The Jets are 10th in the league at first down and 5th in the league on third down rushing DVOA, but they drop to 20th in the league on second downs.  That&#039;s in large part because they are telegraphing the run for precisely the reasons you mentioned--to give Sanchez a short field for third down.  The net result is that 2nd and 7 turns into 3rd and 8 and does no one any good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, I tend to think that the run call on 2nd and 8-10 is one of the most obvious and therefore telegraphed in all of football at this point.  I&#8217;m baffled that offensive coordinators haven&#8217;t started calling play action in those situations, because you can just about take it to the bank that a team will be running after a first down incompletion.  For that play call to be successful, you need to provide a serious threat with your passing game.  Looking at DVOA by down and play call, the top 2nd down run teams are all big-time passing teams like New Orleans, Indy, Green Bay and Dallas.  The Jets are 10th in the league at first down and 5th in the league on third down rushing DVOA, but they drop to 20th in the league on second downs.  That&#8217;s in large part because they are telegraphing the run for precisely the reasons you mentioned&#8211;to give Sanchez a short field for third down.  The net result is that 2nd and 7 turns into 3rd and 8 and does no one any good.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seanmac,

I don&#039;t disagree with anything you&#039;ve said. I love the Colts as a team, and agree that because they know they&#039;ll be ahead in most games, their defense has been geared to stop the pass. 

As for the Jets, their strength is running the ball. They have the receivers to have a more explosive style offense, but because the guy running the show is a neophyte, they needed to insulate him from pressure situations. My biggest issue with Schott, if I had to narrow it down, is that he should be running on 2nd and 8 to get Sanchez to a 3rd and 5 or better. Granted, it&#039;s not guaranteed that they will get those 3 or so yards, but by at least trying you&#039;re more likely to keep Sanchez in more manageable 3rd downs. 

In regards to the defense, I agree this is a system that is supposed to generate turnovers, and they&#039;ve gotten better at it the past few weeks, but I&#039;m willing to chalk the lack of turnovers in the first 1/2 to inexperience (and some bad luck). I guess I just wanted to see the gameplan every week to be run the ball, get Sanchez some easy routes and completions (let his receivers do the work for him) and then as the game goes on, the defense wears down, open up the playbook a little bit. Instead, Schotty is just throwing Sanchez to the wolves and letting him throw the full array of pass plays, when he should be letting Sanchez command the passing game piece by piece, instead of trying to become good at it all at once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seanmac,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with anything you&#8217;ve said. I love the Colts as a team, and agree that because they know they&#8217;ll be ahead in most games, their defense has been geared to stop the pass. </p>
<p>As for the Jets, their strength is running the ball. They have the receivers to have a more explosive style offense, but because the guy running the show is a neophyte, they needed to insulate him from pressure situations. My biggest issue with Schott, if I had to narrow it down, is that he should be running on 2nd and 8 to get Sanchez to a 3rd and 5 or better. Granted, it&#8217;s not guaranteed that they will get those 3 or so yards, but by at least trying you&#8217;re more likely to keep Sanchez in more manageable 3rd downs. </p>
<p>In regards to the defense, I agree this is a system that is supposed to generate turnovers, and they&#8217;ve gotten better at it the past few weeks, but I&#8217;m willing to chalk the lack of turnovers in the first 1/2 to inexperience (and some bad luck). I guess I just wanted to see the gameplan every week to be run the ball, get Sanchez some easy routes and completions (let his receivers do the work for him) and then as the game goes on, the defense wears down, open up the playbook a little bit. Instead, Schotty is just throwing Sanchez to the wolves and letting him throw the full array of pass plays, when he should be letting Sanchez command the passing game piece by piece, instead of trying to become good at it all at once.</p>
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		<title>By: seanmac31</title>
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		<dc:creator>seanmac31</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brendan,

But that misses the point.  A team needs to have a cohesive scheme so that all the pieces work together.  The Colts are a perfect example--they know that their offense can control the game and put up points, and so they built a defense that is designed to stop the pass while not being vulnerable to big plays.  The Colts know that most offenses can&#039;t go toe-to-toe with Peyton Manning and out-execute him, and they know that their defense will spend the second half playing with a lead and will thus have to face a lot of pass attempts.  That scheme has allowed the Colts to focus their draft strategy on providing the key pieces (WR, pass rushing DEs), and it makes sure that they have a team building philosophy that is coherent and cost effective.

If you are going to have an offense that runs the ball on 6 out of every 10 plays, you are voluntarily putting a ceiling on how much you can score.  (In reality, it&#039;s a suicidal approach to take over the long haul, but an understandable one when looking at a single season with a rookie quarterback.)  In that situation, your offense simply isn&#039;t going to generate many points, and they certainly aren&#039;t going to put long scoring drives together.  So for the team to score enough points to consistently win, they need to generate points from other areas, a.k.a. defense and special teams, and they need those two units to create short fields that will allow the offense to get more scoring chances.  The Jets defense has been terrific at denying yards and points to opposing offenses, but that&#039;s not enough for the kind of scheme you&#039;re talking about--they also need to create short fields and/or to score themselves.  They haven&#039;t done so, and that&#039;s despite their being a high-pressure defense that is supposed to generate turnovers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brendan,</p>
<p>But that misses the point.  A team needs to have a cohesive scheme so that all the pieces work together.  The Colts are a perfect example&#8211;they know that their offense can control the game and put up points, and so they built a defense that is designed to stop the pass while not being vulnerable to big plays.  The Colts know that most offenses can&#8217;t go toe-to-toe with Peyton Manning and out-execute him, and they know that their defense will spend the second half playing with a lead and will thus have to face a lot of pass attempts.  That scheme has allowed the Colts to focus their draft strategy on providing the key pieces (WR, pass rushing DEs), and it makes sure that they have a team building philosophy that is coherent and cost effective.</p>
<p>If you are going to have an offense that runs the ball on 6 out of every 10 plays, you are voluntarily putting a ceiling on how much you can score.  (In reality, it&#8217;s a suicidal approach to take over the long haul, but an understandable one when looking at a single season with a rookie quarterback.)  In that situation, your offense simply isn&#8217;t going to generate many points, and they certainly aren&#8217;t going to put long scoring drives together.  So for the team to score enough points to consistently win, they need to generate points from other areas, a.k.a. defense and special teams, and they need those two units to create short fields that will allow the offense to get more scoring chances.  The Jets defense has been terrific at denying yards and points to opposing offenses, but that&#8217;s not enough for the kind of scheme you&#8217;re talking about&#8211;they also need to create short fields and/or to score themselves.  They haven&#8217;t done so, and that&#8217;s despite their being a high-pressure defense that is supposed to generate turnovers.</p>
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		<title>By: subwayfare</title>
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		<dc:creator>subwayfare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My issue with Schottenheimer&#039;s play-calling is mostly about timing. He said, himself, in response to a question about Sanchez playing better late in games that he comes out a little anxious and plays too fast. I accept that the Jax throw to JC in single coverage was a good call in a vacuum, but if you know your young QB is jittery early, why take the risk of a shaky throw on an opening drive? I had the same reaction to the pick in NE on the opening drive. An out pattern that draws 3 DBs into a tight area might not be the best call for a QB that you&#039;ve acknowledged isn&#039;t very settled early in the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My issue with Schottenheimer&#8217;s play-calling is mostly about timing. He said, himself, in response to a question about Sanchez playing better late in games that he comes out a little anxious and plays too fast. I accept that the Jax throw to JC in single coverage was a good call in a vacuum, but if you know your young QB is jittery early, why take the risk of a shaky throw on an opening drive? I had the same reaction to the pick in NE on the opening drive. An out pattern that draws 3 DBs into a tight area might not be the best call for a QB that you&#8217;ve acknowledged isn&#8217;t very settled early in the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/11/26/link-what-to-watch-for/comment-page-1/#comment-205168</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seanmac,

This is a defense that didn&#039;t give up a TD for something like 10 quarters to open the season. Rex came in talking about his plan, and we haven&#039;t seen it from the offense. Rex is taking charge of that now, but he shouldn&#039;t have had to do that if Schotty kept it simple, pounding the rock and let Sanchez gain confidence off of screens, slants and play action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seanmac,</p>
<p>This is a defense that didn&#8217;t give up a TD for something like 10 quarters to open the season. Rex came in talking about his plan, and we haven&#8217;t seen it from the offense. Rex is taking charge of that now, but he shouldn&#8217;t have had to do that if Schotty kept it simple, pounding the rock and let Sanchez gain confidence off of screens, slants and play action.</p>
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		<title>By: seanmac31</title>
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		<dc:creator>seanmac31</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not one of the best running attacks in the league, though it&#039;s certainly above-average.  But you can&#039;t afford to run 60% of the time unless your defense and special teams are lights out, and generally speaking you&#039;re going to need points to come out of those two units to offset the points that you are effectively giving away by taking a give-up approach to offense.  Unfortunately, the Jets haven&#039;t gotten anything out of either their defense or their special teams in the scoring department.  If you&#039;re committing yourself to an offense that can only score 14-17 points a game (which is what a 60% run ratio effectively is), you better get some points from somewhere else.  With no Leon, it&#039;s not going to happen in the return game, and the defense, which does a great job of limiting points and yardage, nevertheless does a lousy job of generating turnovers and scoring points itself.  So you don&#039;t have the other pieces in place that you need to be competitive with that approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not one of the best running attacks in the league, though it&#8217;s certainly above-average.  But you can&#8217;t afford to run 60% of the time unless your defense and special teams are lights out, and generally speaking you&#8217;re going to need points to come out of those two units to offset the points that you are effectively giving away by taking a give-up approach to offense.  Unfortunately, the Jets haven&#8217;t gotten anything out of either their defense or their special teams in the scoring department.  If you&#8217;re committing yourself to an offense that can only score 14-17 points a game (which is what a 60% run ratio effectively is), you better get some points from somewhere else.  With no Leon, it&#8217;s not going to happen in the return game, and the defense, which does a great job of limiting points and yardage, nevertheless does a lousy job of generating turnovers and scoring points itself.  So you don&#8217;t have the other pieces in place that you need to be competitive with that approach.</p>
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