Link: More on Why Weis Won’t Coach the Jets
While there’s Weis fever in New York, the reality is that the Jets are probably about the last place he’d end up, for any number of reasons as Rich Cimini wrote yesterday.
While I do believe the Jets-Brian Schottenheimer marriage isn’t as strong as it once was — remember, Schotty said he was “stung” by Rex Ryan’s decision to get involved in the offense — I’d be surprised if they went outside the organization in the event they part ways … [i]n the name of continuity, I think the Jets would promote OL coach Bill Callahan or QB coach Matt Cavanaugh. With a young quarterback, you’d think the Jets would be reluctant to start over with a new system.
In-house seems the way that the team would go, if they address it. Even with an in-house candidate though, there’s going to be some lack of continuity, it would just be the nature of things. Beyond all the reasons (loyalty, bad blood, etc.) Cimini gives in his post, there’s then the notion that the team would pay Weis a salary that he thinks worthwhile. Let’s remember that Johnson has made a point of hiring aspiring head coaches, not folks who have already had success as head coaches, in part because he doesn’t want to pay them. It’s hard to imagine that Weis would take a payday at this point for anything less than $2 million per year, while Rex makes about $2.8 million himself.
39 Responses to Link: More on Why Weis Won’t Coach the Jets
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Id love to have Weis here to work with Sanchez, but I don’t think you can put together a coaching staff that could undermine the head coach. If things start bad for Rex there will be rumblings that Weis is the guy to take over. Despite how bad things went at ND the story on Weis is going to be that at the NFL level he can coach. Ryan doesnt need those distractions if you believe in him as your coach.
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And all that aside, they should hire the best man for the job, who has had a ton of success in this league as an O-coordinator.
Since Cimini knows jack, his opinion means nothing to me. Bassett’s opinion on the other hand I hold in high esteem, so I can only say that I hope that Brian is wrong this time about them likely staying in-house. I hate to think of another situation where the pats grab someone (i.e. Randy Moss) that we could’ve made a play at and then that guy goes on to excel.
I also think that while Scotty is not as terrible as many here think, he’s had ample time to show his worth and hasn’t done so. Shotty has good games and bad games or perhaps good series and bad series is a better way to put it. I call that average – is that good enough? -
I really don’t agree that Weis would be pushed as a HC if things went bad for Rex – after the ND debacle, it will be a few years of him being an excellent OC before that happens, if ever.
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Crazy Eddie says:
Bassett, Shotty already has a high salary for an O-Coordinator. They gave him a fat raise last year.
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David says:
I don’t understand this article. Why would we promote someone from within, particularly the QB Coach. Sanchez has GOTTEN WORSE since the beginning of the season. Why would we promote his personal coach for that!!!!!
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reality jet fan says:
Thank you david i have been saying that all year! Once again rex a little late with the sanchez learning to slide does this guy know it week 12.
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john l says:
i say the best optoin is signing pennington to a backup
mentor role or digging up joe montana from whatever hole that guys in and letting him be qb coach -
BigKatFan says:
Why are we discussing offense? has anyone replaced Kerry Locklin yet?
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Jonathan says:
Callahan will prob be OC, if there’s a change. Weis wouldn’t betray Belichick by going to Pats’ division rival.
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JesusRevis says:
There is no chance Weis comes here and its for the sole reason that he would never do that to Bill Belichick, end of story.
For all of the Shotty haters, you should still be rooting for this guy to succeed. Hiring a new offensive coordinator will only delay the development of Sanchez. Do we really want him learning a new playbook and a new system?
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Brendan says:
BigKatFan,
Locklin has two replacements. Jeff Weeks and Chuck Smith both coach the D-line.
JR,
Yes, I do want Sanchez learning a new playbook/system if it means getting him away from the QB Killer.
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Don’t you find it funny that the majority of Jets fans hate Schotty, yet his name is always being mentioned for Head Coaching jobs and he’s always getting interviews?
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The only times I heard shotty mentioned seriously for a HC job was after “06 for the dolphins (how I wish that happened) and last year for the jets (I am so glad it didn’t happen).
I would love for Sanchez to have to learn a new playbook if it’s from an OC who has had success and knows how to win. This is actually the time to do it, whiule he’s still learning.
Why are some of you so sure that Weis wouldn’t do that to belicheat? Mangini did it to him and he did it to parcells. Unless you know Weis personally, how do you know?
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sec108 says:
Fair points JesusRevis, I’m no Schotty apologizer, but whoever calls the plays here is going to come under intense scrutiny, nature of the beast. Kevin Gilbride won the Giants a superbowl 2 seasons ago, and I don’t know one Giant fan that likes him. And in Schotty’s defense, last season he was given an aging QB who had played in one offense his whole career in early August, who was reluctant to change, and ill equipped for the offense, so he had to change his whole playbook and terminology a month before the season to accomodate this one player who physically broke down at the end of the season. This year he was given a rookie QB with all of 16 college starts. All I am saying is that the deck hasn’t exactly been stacked in his favor the last 2 years.
As for the great Charlie Weis, he’s not coming here so the point is moot, BUT if he did, I’d give it one bad game from the offense before the mob forms to run him out of town too. The grass is always greener somewhere else.
If Rex and/or Schotty decide there is a need to part ways after the season I am all for Callahan getting the OC job, he’s a proven success at the position with years of experience and has done a stellar job with the O-line and the running game the last 2 seasons. And I don’t think we would lose too much continuity with him either, I’m sure at least 70% of the playbook would stay the same.
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sec108 wrote:
“I am all for Callahan getting the OC job, he’s a proven success at the position”
I remember Bent writing at one point that Callahan was actually known for calling some strange plays as an OC that were criticized. Can you elaborate on that Bent?
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Callahan caught a lot of heat during his time with the Raiders. I dont know specifics, but there was definitely a reason why he made the huge downgrade from being a head coach in the NFL, to coaching Nebraska.
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Jetsrdone says:
Tannenbaum will NEVER get rid of his boy Schotty….Remember, Tannenbaum really wanted to hire Schotty as the head coach and when he realized that wasn’t gonna fly with Jets fans and the media then he made it a stipulation that Rex retain Schotty in order for him to become the head coach…There’s a better chance Tannenbaum fires Rex and makes Schotty the head coach!!!!!! Callahan should be calling the plays tomorrow against Buffalo!!!!!!!!!!!! Schotty’s awful!!!!!!!
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As far as Callahan’s failings in Oakland I believe those were as a Head Coach, not an offensive coordinator. Not changing terminology before playing against a coach that is fully versed in it (Gruden) in the super bowl would be the main reason he failed as far as I can see. Other than that he did preside over a very high powered Oakland offense at the time. I can’t even count college football, that is all about recruiting, not play calling and execution, just ask the inspiration for this thread, Mr. Weis himself.
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Sec108,
Callahan was the offensive coordinator for the Raiders for 4 seasons before he became HC.
I dont remember any specific blunders as OC, but he definitely caught some heat as a HC, and even as HC he was still running the offense.
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JR,
Those 4 seasons are what I was referring to as past success, and to reiterate, I think the heat that came as HC was related to overall team decisions, not play calling, the offense was very successful during his tenure there. I’ve seen it a million times, a successful coordinator gets a job as a HC and fails, and goes back to being a successfull coordinator.
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starz31 says:
If college football was all about recruiting and not execution then Weis would still have a job. He was very good at recruiting. He was very bad at coaching.
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in 2000, as OC for the Raiders, Oakland led the NFL in rushing. Also set a franchise record for fewest sacks allowed. That record was broken in 2001, again by Callahan.
in 2002, as HC for the Raiders, Oakland led the NFL in passing, which was also the first time in team history they led in passing.
2003, the team suffered b/c Rich Gannon was hurt for the majority of the year. He’s also the last Raiders coach to post a winning season. -
WW85 says:
I’m amazed any Jets fan would want Weis. His only success came with NE in a terrific system & Tom Brady. Reminds me of Mangini. Weis showed virtually no ability to adapt to the weaknesses & strengths he had with ND. His only good year came when he had Brady Quinn to Jeff Samardzija both of them enormous college studs.
I am neutral Schotty. He would be better in a spread, complex offense. He runs from brilliant(when Sanchez sees the field well) to atrocious(when Schotty forgets that he is dealing with a rookie QB).
I’d rather keep Schotty around as I think he has learned his lessons & also gives our offense the ability to explode if it’s capable.
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Bent says: Expert – Here was that post:
“All I’ll say about the calls for Callahan to be OC is be careful what you wish for. This link talks about how overwhelmingly confusing his playbook was and how he was maddeningly inconsistent with his playcalling.
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Bent – Thanks – that was the exact post to which I was referring. Unfortunately, that link is no longer working.
However, it seems like from some of the postings above that Callahan did have a lot of success as the OC in Oakland.
Someone wrote above that Weis’s only success was in NE with Brady. Wasn’t he also the OC here with Vinny in 98? Or was that Dan Henning? I could’ve sworn that Weis was here, too. -
brian311 says:
expert, yes weis was our OC from 97-99. and the 98 year was a very good one for the offense, i believe we were in the top 5 in total offense
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I believe Weis was the OC from 97-99, but Parcells took over the playcalling from him starting sometime in 98.
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Bent says:
Weis was OC and Henning was QB coach, then took over in 2000.
Sorry about the link. If if recall, it mentioned about how he had a ridiculously complex playbook and his playcalling did not suit the personnel.
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Thanks, Brian. Do you or does anyone know: was that Weis’s first OC job was did he have that gig with Parcells with the pats?
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Bent – hmmm, but as OC (according to a poster above) his raiders were tops or near tops in the league in some heady offensive categories. I wonder if the plays not suiting the personnel was when he was HC.
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Bent says:
No this was from when he was at Nebraska.
Weis was always a position coach until he was promoted to offensive coordinator in 1997, prior to which he was a receivers coach.
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Interesting. Perhaps he is too much of an NFL guy and couldn’t tone it down for the college level, because he clearly had success as OC in Oakland.
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Bent says:
I think it was more that he tried to force his system on the team which didn’t have the right type of guys (which takes years to put together at the college level.
We forget that he’s already “running game co-ordinator”. Maybe Cavanaugh replacing Schott and Callahan retaining that role is more sensible. He won a SB with Trent Dilfer ands great defense, so we know he wouldn’t make the mistake of getting the QB to do too much.
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Max says:
Come on guys…Schotty is an offensive genius…the way he has outsmarted every defense the Jets have faced…plus he is doing such an excellent job with Mark Sanchez. Weis is just a washed up former college coach. Come on….we are definitely heading in the right direction. Give it time. Weis former OC for the Patriots. Did he win any SB’s when Brady was just starting out? Mmmmmm…oooops.
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frustrated fan says:
max,are you smoking crack?shotty is an offensive genius?are you serious dude?lmao,are you watching the same jets we’re watching?no more drugs for max
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bruce harper says:
could be many reasons weiss wouldn’t come. loyalty to bb? maybe.
continuity in keeping callahan? um, schott’s asinine playbook is out the door the moment he is gone. He runs some lame version of the spread, and Callahan simply had the number one offense in Raiders history running the much more qb/rookie friendly west coast offense. He elevated a journeyman qb to pro bowl status. had a leon-like charlie garner motoring the running game (and heavily involved in the passing game, as anyone with half a brain would have been doing with Leon all these years)
i could go on for an hour on all the things i loathe about brian schottenheimer, who makes me long for walton and Kotite. Like all jets coaches who are defended to death by guys like jesusrevis and too many folks in ‘sophisticated new york’, and then immediately ridiculed in their next career ending stops by wiser fans, Schott will be lucky to get one more job before being deemed the new Mike Shula.
He’s never done a thing, including in his absurdly overrated 1st year. 20th ranked offenses usually don’t garner media attention, but because of his surname and the fact the fins still had idiot management, he got an interview. As someone else pointed out, no one else has given him the time of day except for woody and tannenbum.
The very scary fact is, those guys still like him. if he is back next year, then it’s same old jets forever. maybe in 20 years when woody dies we get lucky and get an owner who knows something about football.
lets hope it doesn’t have to come to that, i’ve been waiting for 40 years and can’t take anymore.
Rich Cimini has been surprised before.