Link: King on the Jets
Peter King has some notes about notable Jets, like the Mr. Vernon Gholston.
The pass-rushing dunce cap is reserved for Vernon Gholston. (His play reminds me of Dean Wormer in Animal House. When the good dean was reading the grade-point averages for the fine students in the Delta House, he got to John Belushi. “Mr. Blutarsky: Zero point zero!”) Gholston, drafted to be an edge rusher, made little impact under Eric Mangini, and that has continued under Rex Ryan. Gholston’s line: 25 games, 0.0 sacks. For $21 million guaranteed. Yikes.
Waah-Waaaah … onto someone else who someone is displeased with. Our li’l knucklehead.
Quote of the Week II
“He’s our knucklehead, and we love him.”
– Jets coach Rex Ryan, on quarterback Mark Sanchez’s unwillingness to slide, which resulted in him making a first down Thursday against Buffalo, but also partially tearing a knee ligament, placing his availability for Week 14 in question.
From the “Long Time in the Making Department.”
Coach of the Week
Bill Callahan, offensive line coach, New York Jets.
It’s no wonder other coaches study what the Jets do in the running game. “I really like what Bill Callahan does,” says New Orleans running game/offensive line coach Aaron Kromer, and Thursday night showed why. The Jets ran inside the Bills and outside the Bills, 43 times for 249 yards, dominating the line of scrimmage in a 19-13 win.
Glad to see the Jets are relevant again, for some good and bad reasons, I guess.
36 Responses to Link: King on the Jets
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Mike D. says:
Someone tell Petey to do his homework and that the official report said it was a PCL SPRAIN, not a tear.
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starz31 says:
The one silver lining from the Gholston section of that article was we are not alone in poor results from recent drafted pass-rush “specialists.”
The bad thing though is that Gholston has been one of the worst out of that bunch and most likely the highest paid.
I’m still hoping that maybe he can put it together one day. I don’t think he’ll ever be an elite player though, which sucks, because he’s being paid to do just that.
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The one silver lining from the Gholston section of that article was we are not alone in poor results from recent drafted pass-rush “specialists.”
The bad thing though is that Gholston has been one of the worst out of that bunch and most likely the highest paid.
I’m still hoping that maybe he can put it together one day. I don’t think he’ll ever be an elite player though, which is a big shame, because he’s being paid to do just that. -
Rich in Albany says:
I don’t think enough attention is being paid to how good D’Brick has become. Remember all those games when Schobel just ate him for lunch? And Ferguson is doing it week in and week out. He’s not “GREAT” great yet, but he’s getting there.
You think Vernon might pull the same thing and show that sort of improvement over the course of the next couple of years? Nope!
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Brendan says:
Someone should also tell King that Mr. Blutarsky “has no grade point average”. It was Flounder with the 0.0 GPA.
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ED says:
I asked Bassett a ways back to ask Brent to outline what it would mean if the Jets cut VG. I guess we just eat his cap number? What a bust.
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Johnny Reefer says:
i thought it was dare devil who had to 0.0 on animal house not blutto.
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Kirk the Jerk says:
Ed – I think it was mentioned at one point that cutting VG in the non-capped year will still accelerate the cap cost of his guaranteed money to the next capped year. Or something like that. Either way, it could be a very painful cut
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Johnny you’re right. Bluto had no grade point average, DDay got the 0.0, and Flounder had a 0.2
Gotta lay off the Johnny my memory is shot.
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ramble914 says:
ED,
I thought I read somewhere that if next year is uncapped, teams can unload big salaried players with no long term detriment (cap hit).
Bent: I’m sure you you’ve commented on this numerous times, but is this true?
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Bent says: ED – pretty much, but if 2010 is uncapped as looks likely, the cap hit is mostly rendered irrelevant apart from a small amount in 2011.
We can therefore ignore the cap aspects and see what we get out of him in the last 4 games and camp next year before we decide if he’s worth retaining.
25 games, 0 sacks is damning, but he’s not had a great deal of playing time and when he does it’s usually rushing in a 3-on-5 situation. Chris Long (who is on more money) does have three sacks, but in three times as much playing time.
I guarantee King has no idea how he’s playing and is just basing his opinions off the numbers.
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steviek says:
for the record, d-day:
had no grade point average — all classes incomplete.
very underrated line.
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Glad to see Callahan getting some love. Our rushing game has gone from the crapper in 2006 and 2007, to 4.7 since the beginning of 4.7.
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brian311 says:
i have not read anywhere that it was a PCL tear. only a sprain. i think if a tear was involved, we would not let him on the field, for risk of further injury. i dont know where king got this, but i do not believe he is accurate.
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lol i hear ya brendon, i called him freakin dare devil. lol to much of myself for me too.
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Bent says:
Ramble – To an extent, but not necessarily fully.
If the team has a dead cap hit for releasing a guy, who cares, because there’s no cap that year anyway.
However, if some of that cap hit relates to signing bonus then that part (we believe) will actually bite in 2011.
In the case of Gholston, his guaranteed money wasn’t made up entirely of signing bonuses, a lot was guaratneed salary which hasn’t been paid yet, so most of his cap hit will fall in 2010, if he is released then. From 2011 onwards, his cap hit becomes affordable, so it’s not like this is a one-off opportunity. If he’s cut or retained it will be on merit, so he’ll need to show more improvement (and he has definitely improved since last year) to stay on the team.
The situation with Rhodes is quite similar too.
If somebody signed a big money deal with a 20m signing bonus and was released in the uncapped year, that would be a different story because a bigger proportion of the cap hit would not be accelerated and instead would count against 2011 (which, assuming they don’t have a lockout, will probably be capped).
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Kirk: maybe we could make him wash dishes in the dining hall or something…may help Leon out around the house while he’s hurt…cut the grass, wash the cars, stuff like that.
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NS says:
Give Callahan the keys to the offense. I trust him more than Schotty.
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Thanks Bent.
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frustratedjetfan says:
I believe Callahan will be our OC next year. Schotty had to submit to a loss of autonomy because Tanny and Woody agreed it was costing us games. Until then, keeping Schotty happy as OC was paramount. As soon as the season’s over, Schotty will thank the Jets and move on for a face-saving opportunity. You can bet on it!
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dmazz says:
Bottom line VG will be gone it’s just a matter of when.
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JoeMustGo says:
Trade Gholston and Rhodes to Cleveland for picks before Mangini gets run out of town.
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Bent says:
JMG – They physically can’t trade either until the end of February because the dead money would put them over the cap. Are you willing to bet Mangini will last that long?
dmazz – I can still see him sticking around and contributing, although I think the ship has probably sailed on him being the pass rushing monster they drafted him to be.
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Bent
Sadly, no. My biggest fear is that one or both winds up in NE and become beasts.
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JesusRevis says:
Be careful what you wish for. Bill Belichick loves Kerry Rhodes, and if he gets his hands on him, it will doom us for the next 8 years.
Gholston has no hope.
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Bent says:
Yeah, that’s why I won’t advocate trading them unless it’s really necessary (ie if they were being a negative influence or legitimately keeping playing time from someone better – as disappointing as both have been, I don’t think that’s the case). You don’t want to cut off the nose to spite the face.
Of course, they could insert a clause to prevent a team from trading him on to an AFC East team.
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Its unfair to compare Rhodes’ level of disapointment to Gholstons. Rhodes contributes every game and plays the majority of the snaps. Gholston makes absolutely no impact whatsoever. Rhodes was a 4th round pick, Gholston was 6th overall.
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Zartan says:
JesusRevis, i was thinking the same thing but if Rhodes continues to play lame ball then bill can have him for a pick.
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Everyone needs to calm down with the trade calls. You make it seem like people would be lining up to take Gholston from us. I don’t think they’d take him back at OSU.
As for Rhodes, I can guarantee that teams WOULD be lining up to get him. He is a good player. If other teams are praying that you overreact and get rid of a guy, that’s telling you that you probably shouldn’t do it.
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Bent says:
Yeah, JR, two different things. One established player not playing as well as we know he can, one young player not playing as well as we hope he can.
While I agree that Gholston makes absolutely no impact whatsoever, they probably wouldn’t have won in weeks 1 and 3 if he’d played poorly and he doesn’t consistently have a negative impact when he’s in there. His injury couldn’t have come at a worse time, because he could do with the reps and wasn’t hurting the team while he was out there.
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SackDance99 says:
Can we officially retire the “watch him go to the Pats and kill us” rap? Didn’t work with Hobson, Baker, Ventrone (who might have been the best of the recent raids), Mickens, etc. When BB went to the Pats he raided the Jets roster to great effect, since then the Jets have had the better end of the Pats-Jets shuttle with Ty Law especially. And, in the long history of the Pats-Jets rivalry, nothing beats the Jets stealing C-Mart away. If the Pats are crazy enough to sign Gholston, then let them. Kerry Rhodes, on the other hand, would hurt because he’s actually a very good player, just not a consistent one.
I would give Gholston one last chance. Rex has had a full year to see what he can do and there is a chance that in the off-season VG can work on the skills that Rex thinks could make him a productive NFL player. I just don’t think that will ever include rushing the passer, as I said well-before he was drafted. He’s just not a natural pass rusher. IMO, if he could bulk up to 290 lbs or more, he could be a good DL and he’d have fewer things to work on. Forget his ever being a WILL or SAM, he just doesn’t have what it takes to play LB in the NFL.
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EastSide says:
If it makes anyone feel any better, Glenn Dorsey (who was drafted one place in front of Gholston) has looked every part the bust that Gholston has. Once touted to be a once-in-a-decade DT in the mold of Sapp, this season he’s resembled the much hated Dewayne Robertson- getting routinely blown back on every snap.
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Bent says:
Chris Long hasn’t been the player I thought he would be either, but he should have been drafted by a 3-4 team. I wonder if both him and Gholston would be doing better if the Rams drafted VG and the Jets got Long.
D-Rob was never “routinely blown back on every snap”. I have no idea why he has that reputation.
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I wanted Long badly in that draft. Virginia plays a 3-4 so his transition would have been easy. Whatever, I like our young DEs.
D-Rob probably got that reputation because Jets fans (as is their nature) needed a scapegoat. He was a 4th pick and we gave up a lot from him, so anything less than Warren Sapp would be looked down upon. That dissatisfaction snowballed into people believing he was a bad player. He was just put in an unfortunate position where his build wouldn’t let him play the position he inevitably had to play (NT). I always admired how he played every game, even with that chronic knee condition. And he also gave me his gloves after a practice at Hofstra a few years back, so he gets bonus points.
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**gave up a lot FOR him
effing Gholston……lol
This damn guy just never goes away