Another Gift From Mangini?
Congrats Eric, your season might have been awful, but you just bought yourself a stay of execution from the fans.
Last night, wanting to check in on the Steelers, I flipped over to the Browns-Steelers game, expecting a blowout and tongue-bath laden return to glory for the Steelers from Bob Papa and Matt Millen and was somewhat surprised as I saw the score of the game well into the third quarter, 13-3 Browns.
In the end, Mangini’s team came away with a victory, by mercilessly blitzing Ben Roethlisberger and using Joshua Cribbs in a pivotal role that has seemed to elude Brad Smith for his entire career, the Browns beat the Steelers 13-6 in a windswept and below zero windchill temperature game in Cleveland.
In a Browns’ defensive effort more befitting the days of Turkey Jones and Terry Bradshaw, the Browns pressured relentlessly. Their eight sacks were the most since they had the same number against the Houston Texans [team stats] on Oct. 20, 2002.
Handing the Steelers their fifth consecutive loss, the Browns also might have knocked the Steelers (6-7) out of the AFC playoff race. The Steelers completed a dubious triple – losing to the Kansas City Chiefs, Oakland Raiders and the Browns, three of the league’s worst teams. The Steelers were playing their fourth consecutive game without star strong safety Troy Polamalu, sidelined with a knee injury.
Running out of the Wildcat, Cribbs led the Browns in rushing with eight carries for 87 yards.
So what does this mean for the Jets (and their fans)? It means that the field just lost a player for the race. Here’s a look at how it looks right now, with teams with less than seven losses.
I’ll be honest and say that although the field is narrowing, I still have a tough time believing the Jets can make the playoffs. Denver looks to go 10-6 at this point, and both the Jaguars and Dolphins hold tiebreakers on the Jets, so the only thing they can do is run the table, and hope that neither of those two Florida teams does the same. With the Colts (who might or might not be resting players in the second half) and the Bengals still to play, it’s anything but a certainty.
Here’s a look at some interesting playoff implication games for Jets fans to follow:
Miami at Jacksonville December 13th
Jacksonville at New England December 27th
Pittsburgh at Miami January 3rd
71 Responses to Another Gift From Mangini?
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Horrible loss for the Steelers last night. The Browns played offesne like they were a junior high school team.
I cant believe how bad the Steeles have played the last 5 weeks.
Its great news to us and as stated in the heading….another gift from Mangini!!
Thsi win might even save his job….but probably not
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Kerry Rhodes says:
You completely forgot about Baltimore at 6-6
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adornoj1 says:
Gonna be an interesting weekend of games..Jets need to take care of business this week and i dont even know who to root for in the Miami vs Jax game (Mia i guess?)…pittsburgh dropping out of the race is a great thing, as im sure they will play spoiler later down the line this season (against Miami).
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We just have to keep winning games. After this weeks games (and hopefuly another Jets win) things will be more clear.
Can we win 6 straight? I just dont know….. We will need to play much better on offense to go streaking!!
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starz31 says:
Rashard Mendenhall is going to cost me my fantasy playoffs…
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dcjetsfan says:
Can the Steelers pull it together at home to beat the Ravens? Otherwise, they could easily run the table with their remaining schedule.
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RichKotite2.0 says:
Not sure if the Jets will make the playoffs, but at least we have something to watch the rest of the season.
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Elliot S says:
You guys are looking at this completely wrong. The Steelers loss actually HURTS us, potentially a whole lot.
Working on the assumption that the Jets’ only playoff hope involves winning out to get to 10-6, the Steelers couldn’t have ever passed us in the playoff race. If they’d won out too (including winning last night), and been in a tiebreaker with us, it would have come down to common game record, which we would have won. (The common games are CIN, MIA, TEN and OAK — they’d be 2-3, we’d be 3-2). So at worst, Pittsburgh winning last night couldn’t have hurt us.
However, the Steelers still play Baltimore and Miami in weeks 16 and 17. We need both of those teams to lose at some point, as both will own the tiebreaker on us. Had the Steelers won last night and other things fallen right (just as they have to for us), Pittsburgh would have gone into weeks 16 and 17 playing for an outside shot at the playoffs. Now, Pittsburgh has all but assured they will be eliminated by Week 17, and there’s a decent chance they will also have nothing to play for by Week 16. The Steelers already have a history of taking it easy when they’re eliminated, and with so many injuries to key players they’ll be in no rush to get guys on the field.
A motivated Steeler team could have been our best friend the last two weeks of the season. After last night, there’s a much more real possibility that the Jets have a great finish to this season and it’s all for naught.
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greg sec 130 says:
I didn’t forget Ravens at 6-6 — they too can lose week 17, thus part of the scoreboard watching I alluded to.
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Elliot, sorry, but you are incorrect. A loss by the Steelers helps because now the Jets actually have a little window for getting in at 9-7, which was nearly impossible if the Steelers won this game. Now, it’s really not out of the realm of possibility.
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Johnny Hector says:
looking at teh remaining schedules of all the team in contention I think Denver and Baltimore have the best chance for the wild card.
Denver @ 8-4 have Indy, Oak, Phi, and KC. They should win two and go at least 10-6.
Baltimore @ 6-6 have Det, Chic, Pitt, and Oak all winnable games.
The Jets need to take care of business, go 4-0 and hope for the the rest falls into place.
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Because of last night’s game, if:
Jax loses two of next three vs Miami, NE, Indy (not impossible to lose all 3)
Ravens lose one of next three gamesThe Jets are in it week 17 at 8-7.
Pretty simple (tho they would need a ton of week 17 help, with Jax, Miami and Ravens losing in week 17 — tho that can come in prior weeks, like Jax losing 3rd game,) Also, Denver can lose out as an extra avenue.
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I can’t imagine getting in at 9-7. It would require Baltimore and Miami to each lose two and Jacksonville to lose three.
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Tim says:
Elliot, sorry to pick on you again, but you also forget this loss by the steelers helps the bengals be that much closer to clinching the division and that much closer to starting J.T O’Sullivan or Jordan Palmer against us Week 17. Only good things came from last night’s game.
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tommyfromsi says:
for the jets to make the playoffs we have to run the table and pray jax loses 2 games, very possible…mia loses a game, very possible, and baltimore loses a game, very possible
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yes, I don’t think 9-7 happens either but it seems very likely now that going into the final game, we’d have a shot at 8-7, needing four teams to lose (two would be upsets)…
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Brendan says:
Elliot,
The Steelers will not take the Ravens game any less seriously than usual. That game will be a war as always. Basically, the Steelers can still make the playoffs (but obviously they aren’t going to) so they’ll play next week like it’s the Superbowl, hopefully win and keep their hopes alive so they can come into the Ravens game playing for their season.
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gr33n says:
Could be closer to winning the Division than the Wild Card, with the way the Pats are playing. Would love for them to pull a PIT against DET.
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Joe B. says:
Bassett, you neglected B’more, the team with the easiest remaining schedule of the five WC contenders.
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They Chose Me says:
Here is the math for making the playoffs–
Beat Tampa Bay
Then we’ll regroup on Monday. No sense in getting worked up and doing all the scenarios, because it all changes within 8 hours
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I agree with Elliot.
The Steelers are superbowl champions. I can see them not risk Big Ben in the final weeks of the season because of his head injuries. Same goes for Polamalu who will probably now sit out the rest of the season.
The only way we make the playoffs is to get to 10 wins. We win the tiebreaker over Pit. Looking at the Mia and Bal schedules, their most losable game is vs PIT. Now thats in question so we are in big trouble. -
I agree with They Chose Me – forget about what everyone else does and win this week, then look to the next game. The other teams will lose (and help us) or not, we have to take care of ourselves, which has traditionally been our biggest problem.
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hank/naples says:
Hey guys:
Where is Jesus, guess he ran out of miracles last nite.
You should’ve listen to me. I don’t want to say I was right AGAIN!!!!. But I bet the Ranch, the car AND the dog on Mangini last nite.
For those that say Mangini is a bad game manager…..EAT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God I shoud have been born a bookie instaed of good looking.
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Or a browns fan.
You do realize he’s still 2-11, right?
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Brendan:
Why should I care about the Browns 2-11 record. Are you nuts? After last night I’m laughing all the way to the bank!!!!
I’m a Jets fans guy. I only care that Mangini be allowed to prove that Sucker and Suckee were DEAD wrong in throwing under bus the only man with core values and integrity in Mgt. for the Jets.
Brendan, you and the rest of media koolaide “EXPERTS” will see how wrong you are.
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SackDance99 says:
I, too, think the Steelers’ loss hurts because we needed a motivated Steelers team to beat Miami. There’s very little chance that the Steelers will go down to Miami in week 17 and have the motivation to beat the Fins. Now, I have to root for Jax to beat Miami and, then, hope that Jax loses 2 of 3 against the Colts, Pats and/or hank’s Browns.
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I guarantee that deciding ahead of time what rooting interest we have in the other games we will also be watching on Sunday will not affect the outcome of the Jet game. I don’t think fans should worry about looking ahead or not focusing enough on the Jet game.
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JesusRevis says:
I’m right here Hank!
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Mangini has proven his whole career that he can win a few surprising games within a season of failure. Most 3-13 teams win one or two against a good team (nevermind that the Steelers are 6-7).
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SackDance — why can’t Miami lose to the Steelers, or Houston, or Tennessee? Teams don’t just lay down to teams trying for the playoffs — in fact, like last night, it often works the other way, that the team is loose and the team that needs the win plays tight.
I think we still want Miami to beat Jacksonville Sunday, but you’re right, because of Jacksonville’s schedule it wouldn’t kill us if they didn’t.
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Bent says: Greg – Yeah, Mangini owns the Steelers. I’d forgotten he beat them in 2007 too!
Hank – in the end we more or less agreed that the Browns winning helped the Jets. However, if we’d reached the conclusion that the Steelers win helped the Jets more, would you have rooted against Mangini?
We will all be rooting for the Browns in week 17, unless the Jags (or Jets) have been eliminated by then.
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Jesus:
You guaranteed a Squeeler victory last nite, or you plumb run out of miracles? What happened?
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Hank,
So, 49 games isn’t long enough to show us you’re a good coach? That’s how many games Mangini had. You’re making it sound like he just won the Superbowl. He beat a team that is 0-4 and isn’t the same defense without it’s best player. Yes, a good win and the Steelers are no slouch, but they’re still 2-11. You should care about them being 2-11 because it means Mangini is on thin ice. Lerner may like him, but when he brings in his “old football mind” to run the team, it’s ultimately that person’s choice of whether or not to keep Mangini.
I’m guessing Sucker and Suckee (very mature names, btw) are Tanny and Woody? Yeah, Mangini is on his way to proving them wrong. I just hope when Mangini finally does get fired he goes to college so we can stop hearing about how much of a football Jesus he is and we can move on.
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Hank,
I thought the Browns had no shot, obviously I was wrong. What do you suggest I do? Should I carry around a scarlet letter for my horrible prediction?
Congratulations, the Browns now have 2 wins. What would you like as a congratulatory gift?
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greg,
I just think that if it comes down to the last game of the season and Miami has to beat the Steelers to get in, I don’t think the Steelers will bring the intensity necessary to win on the road. The Steelers haven’t exactly been that great and, as much as I hate to admit it, the Fins are well-coached and usually put forth a solid effort.
We need the Fins to lose games and, all things being equal, it’s more likely to lose on the road that at home, so I think we now need Jax to beat Miami and, then, lose to the Colts and Pats, which is very possible.
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Brendan:
First of all, don’t bring Jesus into this. I have a separate argument with Him in a different post.
Second, You are half right on Sucker and Suckee, only you have them backwards.
Third, you can’t say its 49 games, because he was submarined by Tannwoody getting Farve as our QB. He did not have full reigns of the team because he was handcuffed by them. On this, believe what you want.
Fourth, We were primed to win and would have have been OK with Pennington making the playoffs.
And fifth, It would have been two out of three years making the playoffs.
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Jesus:
It takes a man to admit he was wrong.
As a gift, I would like you to write FIFTY TIMES….Mangini is a good coach!!
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Hank the handsome…… I like it!
Where was Hank when he demanded I watch the Browns players the Jets “gave” him when they were humilated against the Ravens a few weeks ago?
Now Hank is the handicapper of the stars. Hank bets on Mangini all year and is 2-11.
Stick to being handsome…..at least 2nd on TJB to me and leave the betiing to professionals buddy
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StvDoe says:
Hank,
Core values and integrity? WTF?
Are you implying that these qualities you imagine Eric to possess are integral to building a winning program?
Do you think Bill B. (you know, Eric’s ex boss and 3 time Super Bowl champion), is known for “core values and integrity”?I hate to use such an internet cliche, but, LOL.
I’m sure Eric’s “core values and integrity” will go a long way towards saving his job. Well, those two thlngs and actually winning some games would help. Then, of course, if he could actually win some games, the “core values and integrity” would probably prove to be superfluous.
Core values and integrity? Really? You actually believe this crap? Sanctimonious much?
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When Mangini was hired I made the Rich Kotite analogy, that a coach gets fired from an impatient football city who saw through him for what he was despite a successful tenure, only to get IMMEDIATELY picked up by some owner who dismisses what his people around him say because he loves the guy.
Rich Kotite was actually 29-18 in his four years with Philly, Mangini was 23-25 — so Kotite actually had more success, winning 10 and 11 games before having a bad year at 7-9.
Needless to say, the Jets went 3-13 and 1-15 under him, before Parcells turned them back around. I imagine 3-13 is possible for Mangini this year, and if he lasts — he’d be 1-15 next year. But he won’t last.
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miketaliaferro says:
Nope, I still agree with what Bent said yesterday. PITT was the only team we had tie-breakers over. So, if they won on a par with us, they’d be knocking others off for us.
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Hank,
I didn’t bring Jesus into this, I brought “football Jesus” into it. You talk about Mangini as if he was the second coming, is my point.
And I can say it was 49 games because that’s how many he coached. You think every coach gets to pick each and every player on their team? No. They have a say, some more than others obviously, but ultimately most of them have to defer to the GM/President/Owner for the final decision. Regardless, he was the coach of this team, and he’s a defensive coach. It didn’t handcuff him at all having Favre here. Pennington? Really? He’s a one-and-done savant.
He didn’t have full reigns? Are you kidding me? He’s the #1 control freak in the league. Anything that happened on this team he knew about. They may have forced Favre on him, but obviously Mangini didn’t mind too much since he gave his son his middle name after deciding to NAME HIM AFTER FAVRE. Forgot about that? Yeah, he must have HATED having Favre brought in.
Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Aren’t you one of the guys who loves saying “you are what your record says you are”? Well, our record says that Mangini was an under .500 coach who went to the playoffs one year and make a quick exit.
I just don’t understand your relentless support of Mangini vs. your relentless hate of Tanny. Since Tanny took over this team has been increasingly talented. Is it Tanny’s fault that the team submarined at the end of last season? No, it isn’t. The coach is responsible for on-field performance, the GM is responsible for getting the players to give the coach the best chance for success. Tanny has done that. Mangini could not.
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RENTAL says:
Here’s the simplest it gets:
We need to run the table and also:
(*’s denote perfectly losable games for these opponents)
Note: If we lose 1 game, the numbers below jump up 1.Pickup 2 games on the Jags: MIA*, IND*, @NE*, @CLE
Pickup 1 game against Ravens: DET, CHI, @PIT*, @OAK*
Pickup 1 game on MIA: @JAX*, @TEN*, HOU*, PIT* -
Brendan:
Do you really and trully believe that Mangini could have or would have replaced Farve after The Owner and Tannenbaum kissed his royal BUTT , got him the keys to the city, even gave him hunting privilages in the wooded area sorrounding The “Atlantic Health Traning Complex”? After the owner and his suck up went out and spent maybe $200 million to sell PSL’s and sit out HIS CROWN JEWEL?
Bench the football GOD with the playoffs on the line and replace him with who….Clemens? Are you serious? Why do you REALLY think he was fired? The pitch forks needed meat!!!!
If your answer is yes, he could have benched Farve, then you can’t be serious, you are dilusional guy!!
On why he ave his son Farve’s name. I was just as surprised as youand I could only come up with one logical explanation. Mangini is huge Company man and loyal to a fault. He is super loyal to anyone that is loyal to him. I is part and package with his Character and core values. He believes loyalty is interwoven with honesty, and integrity. He believes lack of loyalty is part of betrayal.I have said this since he was hired.
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zenlaw says:
I’d like to inject a bit of reality here. I’d love to see the Jets reach the playoffs, but I think we are reaching for the stars in this thread. Sure, it’s something to talk about, and the Jets D is playing great, but seriously folks….this isn’t their year. I think losing both games to Miami will prove to be the ultimate nail in the coffin.
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Hank,
You officially outdid yourself. You just tried to say that Mangini is so loyal to his employer that he’d NAME HIS SON AFTER ANOTHER EMPLOYEE. Think about how insane that sounds. An employee, mind you, that was there how long before his son was born? He knew him for 2 months and named his kid after him? WTF does him naming his son after Favre have to do with him believing in honesty and integrity?
More likely scenario: Mangini named his kid after Favre because…..he liked him! God forbid you actually accept the fact that Mangini wasn’t force-fed Favre, that he actually liked the guy, respected him and wanted him on the team. I’m willing to bet Mangini knew (just like 99% of fans not named Hank or Fonzie) that Pennington wasn’t going to bring a Lombardi Trophy to the Meadowlands, so he was happy when Tanny brought in someone who has already won one (and was coming of an MVP-caliber season).
“and replace him with who….Clemens?” Well, since you flip-flop on who is responsible for draft picks, I bet you’ll say that Tanny overrode Mangini and forced this guy on him as well.
And it’s dElusional to think Mangini wasn’t allowed to bench Favre? Favre knows his body better than anyone, and if he felt he couldn’t go, he would shut it down. But this is also one of the most prideful men on the planet, and treasures his starting-streak above almost anything. He wouldn’t take himself out of the lineup if he had to hold his throwing arm with his left hand to toss footballs. Mangini is the coach, he should have been the coach and made a decision. You don’t see Rex getting killed for sitting Sanchez, do you? No, because he’s the head coach and he knows things that we don’t. And the situation is even more dire this season than last, and he’s starting Clemens.
Go ahead, let’s try to turn this one around. Mangini the Almighty can do no wrong, so tell me where I’m mistaken.
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Brendan:
Do you really and trully believe that Mangini could have or would have Benched Farve after The Owner and Tannenbaum kissed his royal BUTT, got him the keys to the city, even gave him hunting privilages in the wooded area sorrounding The “Atlantic Health Traning Complex”? After the owner and his suck up went out and spent maybe $200 million to sell PSL’s and only to sit out HIS CROWN JEWEL?
Bench the football GOD with the playoffs on the line and replace him with who….Clemens? Are you serious? Why do you REALLY think he was fired? The pitch forks needed meat!!!!
If your answer is yes, he could have benched Farve, then you can’t be serious, you are dilusional guy!!
On why he gave his son Farve’s name. I was just as surprised as you and I could only come up with one logical explanation. Mangini is huge Company man and loyal to a fault. He is super loyal to anyone that is loyal to him. It is part and parcel with his Character and core values. He believes loyalty is interwoven with honesty, and integrity. He believes that lack of loyaltyto those that are loyal to you is part of betrayal, hypocrisy. I have said this since he was hired.
I have read from those close to him, friends, that he originally was against Farve, but after meeting with Woddy and Tannenbaum and seeing how much they wanted him, what it meant for PR, got on board with the idea. Woddy and Tannenbaum tried desperately for MONTHS to get him and seeing that Farve did not want to come to New York and refusing to play for the Jets, towards the end, Mangini met with Farve and in order to convince him on how much he was wanted by the Jets, he promised to name his unborn son after him. Mangini did not know Farve personally then but he had named his kid after famous athletes.
Knowing how loyal Mangini IS , I can see why he did it.
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Haha, Ok. I have a comment waiting for moderation, so just look to that because your last paragraph you added doesn’t change what i posted.
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Jusr for the record….. Mangini named another son with the middle name Harrison after Rodney Harrison and another middle name for Bill Belichick….He has always done this dumb name thing.
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Bent says:
hank/naples
Submitted on 2009/12/03 at 2:43pm“One thing I do know IS that Franchez would have to get COMPLETE amnesia, Get run over by a truck ar get BOTH arms amputated for either KC DA or the other guy O’Connell to see the field.”
Hmmm. Well that didn’t happen but KC is going to see the field.
Does this mean that Rex Ryan isn’t loyal or that he is courageous to bench a guy in whom so much money and hope is invested?
I don’t know (or even care) whether Mangini was on board with the Favre move. I’d imagine he was against it at first, decided to go with it and was initially excited with how it was working and then soured on the idea towards the end of the season…pretty much like everyone else. I am pretty sure he’d had his fill by the time they met the Seahawks, because I remember Mike Holmgren saying to him “that Favre guy is really something, huh?” and you could just tell he could barely bring himself to acknowledge the guy in a positive light.
Who thinks last week was a sign that Favre might start going downhill now we’re into December?
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Bent says:
Drew – Yeah and Brady called his last kid “JET”. Well, he didn’t have a whole lot of say in the matter, to be fair. Maybe Mrs Mangini names their kids and sees fit to punish him for all his late nights or something!
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ryan says:
Wentworth do u really think that steelers r jus gonna give up there season just like that come on man. Steelers losin last night did nothin but make r chances better
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Hank,
I guess Eric’s “loyalty to a fault” didn’t extend to B.B. when he left the Pats organization against his wishes, nor when he ratted him out about his illegal taping practices.
I guess Eric’s “loyalty to a fault” moves on to the highest bidder when somebody new is signing the
checks.Don’t misunderstand me, his loyalty SHOULD be to his new employer, but this should just show you this is about business, not loyalty.
Where do you dig up this propaganda about Eric’s “core values and loyalty” anyway?
BTW, why didn’t Eric resign when his boy was fired in Cleveland earlier this season? After all, the GM was brought on just to make him happy. Wouldn’t his vaunted loyalty have mandated he leave with him as a matter of honor?
Or perhaps having a job is a little more important than his “core values”?
Personally, I’ve nothing against Eric beyond my belief that he’s a mediocre coach whom we’re better off without. But your constant desire to elevate him to some sort of “values” deity is both irritating and absurd.
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Bent,
I would agree with the idea that Favre is about to crumble, but he plays only two games outdoors in his last 4 and one of those 2 outdoors games are in Carolina. There’s still a good chance it’s just wear and tear on his old body and it’ll happen anyway, but I think a lot of it has to do with the cold weather and he won’t have to deal with that as much. I’m still going to hold out hope that I get to see Tavarius Jackson taking snaps in January, though.
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Bent….
Favre looked a lot like the bad 5 game Favre for us last week huh? I just think he had a bad game but he did look terrible…….. I just dont understand what the Vikings are doing…. They have Favre throwing the ball 35+ a game when they have that beast in the backfield.
They play at home this week against a decent Bengals D. This week will be the test if the slide is begining
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StvDoe:
Your logic is a liitle bit lacking;
I guess to you “loyalty to a fault” should mean being an assistant for the rest of your life, wait till you boss drops dead, or deprive your family of a better life so you can be loyal to your boss..
My suggestion is: Get real, get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Bent says:
Brendan – Yeah, playing indoors helps and none of those games at the end of last year were inside and nor was the Giants OT loss in the previous season’s playoffs, so it could be a case of the cold affecting his aging joints as much as anything else. I guess in the postseason, they might be inside for all of it – if they meet the Saints in the NFC title game. Interesting. Then watch his arm fall off and the Vikings lose by 50 points to the AFC champions in the Superbowl outdoors!
Can I ask why are you rooting against him? Did you become tired of him a long time ago, or is it because of his poor effort down the stretch last year? I must admit, I always liked Favre, but now I don’t really want to see the Vikings succeed with him. Cue: Vikings-Pats Superbowl. (Groan!)
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Bent,
I’ve actually not like Favre for a while. When I was younger and he was the gunslinger that just loved the game and all that, I’ll admit he was very entertaining and I loved watching him. But as I got older I saw his constant “I’m retired…I’m BACK!!!!!” nonsense to be selfish. It seems that he wants the spotlight, and he cares more about himself than any team. You would think that he wouldn’t have taken a personal vendetta out against the Packers (using the Jets to do it along the way) and break the hearts of all those Packers fans that adored him and loved him. I also have a ridiculously obnoxious friend who is a Vikings fan, and has been insufferable this year with his constant “Favre/Jets” nonsense.
But yeah, I started my steady decline in liking Favre a while ago, then gave him a shot last year since he was playing for my Jets, and now the hatred has been turned up a notch.
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Hank,
The reason Belichick was angry with Mangini for leaving was because Belichick was adamant in the stance that Mangini wasn’t ready to be a head coach. Belichick wanted Mangini to stick around another year or two before he left, and to not go to the Pats biggest division rival. (LOYALTY!!!!!) I tend to believe Belichick here, in that I think if Mangini stuck around and worked under Belichick until, say, the end of last season, he would be much more prepared and better suited to be a head coach in this league.
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I think it’s revisionist history to say that Mangini wanted or even liked Pennington as a QB. In 2006, Mangini traded up to get Clemens in the 2nd round and, before that, Tanny basically forced a contract renegotiation down Chad’s throat. Remember Patrick Ramsey and the “open competition” among Chad, Ramsey and Clemens before 2006? Then, Chad went in as the “starter” in 2007 and was subsequently benched in favor of Clemens. That brings us to 2008, when Mangini showed no confidence in Chad or Clemens, but grudgingly was leaning towards Chad by default.
We will never know what Mangini’s true thoughts were about Favre, but they way he treated Chad and KC amply showed that he had zero confidence in either. Plus, when presumably he could have requested Clemens or Ratliff in the Sanchez trade, he asked for Ratliff. For all we know, Mangini might have elevated Ratliff as Chad’s back up and Chad would have been injured or benched in favor of Ratliff. But, to say that Mangini actually preferred Chad to Favre just isn’t supported by the facts. If he didn’t want Favre, it was probably for team cohesiveness issues, not that he didn’t believe Favre was the better QB.
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Hank,
You blissfully ignore Mangini going expressly against BB’s wishes by going to a hated rival AND his ratting BB out.
I agree he should think of himself and his family first, but you want it both ways.
He couldn’t be both loyal and self-serving. He was one or the other. The fact is he was the latter. Twice.
But keep repeating the “core values” and “loyalty” mantras. Don’t let Eric’s actions interfere with your delusions,
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StvDoe:
BB did not want Mangini to leave, period.
That said, he was upset that A) Mangini was leaving to the Jets, an organization that he spited and B) Within the same Div and become his #1adversary. He felt Mangini violated his trust and that started the rift between them.
The rift became wider when Mangini was locked out of his own office.
And FYI Mangini was NOT the one that instigated spygate. It was the Supv. of security for the Jets at Giants stadium.
It was known by many in the NFL that a couple of teams had taped a couple of teams defensive signals, with BB beign the Most flagrant. Mangini was aware , so too were other coaches.
When the Pats played the Jets the security Supv. saw a camera man with a Pats shirt, taping the Jets practice and was discovered that he had been working for the Pats Organization in video production.
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Johnny Reefer says:
Tannabum and Mangini drafted some good poeple, but thats all.
Mangini was a horrible coach and still is, he makes no adjustments. There was a million times when he was a coach that’d he would make no adjustments to the adjustments the other coaches made.
Atleast, I can say about this team is if something isn’t working, Rex will switch it up and make something work.
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Oh and the Controled Chaos is a hell of alot better then the Read and React.
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50 year Jet fan says:
Not to change the subject, but wasn’t it Mangini that insisted on picking V.G.?
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50YJF:
From what I remember it was Tannenbaum’s pick!
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Reefer:
Let me ask you a question and try to give me an honest answer, that I know you will:
Why do you think the Browns won Thurs.
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Eddie DiGio says:
Good win Hank, you could have handled it classy but you just chose to be yourself
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Oh and 50 YJF
Dont not listen to Hank, Gholston was all Mangini and his obsession with Ohio State linebackers ala Mike Vrabel
He pick Anthony Schlegel in the 3rd rd a few years earlier
Obviously one of the Florida teams lose Sunday, so if it’s Jacksonville, they’d each need to lose one of their last three — and being that Jacksonville plays Indy and Pats, that seems like, and as for Miami, it can come in week 17 with the Steelers. Point is, win out and we at least can scoreboard watch in the final week, which is all you can ask for from this season.
Even if they lose to Indy, I’ll be there for the Bungles game, cheering them on for a 9 win season that will feel so much different than last year’s 9 wins.