Link: NFL.com Thinks Taylor is Stalling
NFL.com has a quick blurb on how they see the Jason Taylor contract standoff, and they think he’s holding out hope for the Dolphins.
Intrigue abounds in the Taylor story. Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum said Thursday that he hadn’t given Taylor a specific deadline to decide on the team’s offer, but he expected an answer before next week’s draft. Wyche spoke with Taylor’s agent, Gary Wichard, who indicated he will speak with the veteran linebacker when he returns from Costa Rica early next week and a decision most likely will be made after the draft. Given that the Dolphins have said they won’t address Taylor’s situation until after the draft, it might be that Taylor is waiting to see the team’s stance.
91 Responses to Link: NFL.com Thinks Taylor is Stalling
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NamVetJet says:
Sounds like the man is not making a decision till after the draft. That just makes it more important that we draft a pass rusher (like the idea of moving up for Odrick or Graham). JT is not the answer to long term anyway. He comes or not at this point I don’t really care.
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TJBfan says:
I say give him draft deadline, he’s either in or out.
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Joe S. says:
I HATE Jason Taylor!
I can never ever Root for Jason Taylor!
I hope Jason Taylor says NO!
I hope the Jets come to their senses and pull the offer for Jason Taylor!
Why?
Too much bad blood between the REAL long-time Jets Fans who could never ever Root for this Dolphin and Jason Taylor!
But most of all I HATE Jason Taylor!
Thank You for listening!
I HATE Jason Taylor!
I HATE Jason Taylor!
I HATE Jason Taylor!
I HATE Jason Taylor!
I HATE Jason Taylor!
I HATE Jason Taylor!
I HATE Jason Taylor!
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John Z says:
Hey Joe, how do you feel about Jason Taylor? I think the Jets should cut him off. Enough, he either signs or not.
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Seth (Rochester, NY) says:
He wasn’t coming to be an every down starter anyway. He is just a one to two year stop gap and hopefully mentor some of the younger players. You draft as if he is not coming and if he does he fill him in during the appropriate situations.
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Revisisbeast says:
good i hope the phins offer him a contract i hate taylor and he is at the end of his career anyway i dont wanna see him in green and white ever
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I DON’T Ever want Jason Taylor to Win a Superbowl!
NEVER EVER NEVER EVER!!!! I have HATED Jason Tayor from the 1st sack he ever had on a Jet QB!
Thus my Problem with this whole situation. NOT even Rex Ryan who I wanted badly to be the Jet coach and as a Jet coach can SELL me on Jason Taylor!!!
I HATE Jason Taylor!
I can never ever Root for Jason Taylor!
I hope Jason Taylor says NO!
I hope the Jets come to their senses and pull the offer for Jason Taylor!
Why?
Too much bad blood between the REAL long-time Jets Fans who could never ever Root for this Dolphin and Jason Taylor!
But most of all I HATE Jason Taylor!
Thank You for listening!
I HATE Jason Taylor!
I HATE Jason Taylor!
I HATE Jason Taylor!
I HATE Jason Taylor!
I HATE Jason Taylor!
I HATE Jason Taylor!
I HATE Jason Taylor!
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Plus I DON’T wnat to hear that Jason Taylor was a REASON WHY the Jets finally won a Superbowl!
That would RUIN everything for me!!!!!!!
Waiting 41 Years and I have to hear that name as part of the experience!
NO…. Life cannot continue to be that cruel!!!!
The Jets DO NOT need Jason Taylor to Win a Superbowl! Anyone with any pash rushing skills could play his expected role on defense… anyone!! Jason Taylor Skills have dimminshed greatly!
Yet if he is here he will get some Credit and I cannot accept that!!!!
I HATE Jason Taylor!
I HATE Jason Taylor!
I HATE Jason Taylor!
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Brad says:
I’m becoming very skeptical about getting Taylor! Loved the idea in the beginning when I thought he was going to sign pretty quickly. All this stalling is telling me he really doesnt want to be with the Jets, but their the main team showing interest in him. Its like he is settling to be on our team. Dont want anyone settling. Settling might lead to a half a** job by him when he plays like he did with the Redskins!
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Harlan Lachman says:
Joe S. I would love to hear Jason Taylor claim he was the reason we won a SB or two. That would mean we won one (or two). After one great season in the almost fifty years of rooting for this team, from the polo grounds to the new stadium, I should have such problems.
Two, this does not influence our draft either way, Brabble. If the right pass rusher drops to us, we draft him. If not, hopefully, we take the best available OL, DE, or S. I would love two new starters out of this draft. Imagine how much better our OL, DL and or DBs would be if they were upgraded!!!
Finally, TJBfan, there is no need to assign a deadline. It is great that he is waiting. It works both ways. We can always take our offer off the table. JT has voted with his actions compared to other players who received offers. Maybe JT ends up with nothing from no one. And, I have enough faith in Rex that if he signs him after all this, it is because he will be an upgrade.
At my age, being good enough to win it all is its own reward.
I hope to be around to celebrate with all of you, and, frankly, I don’t give an F if JT is invited to the party too, as long as we have some.
h
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I don’t want to play into the JT hate but does anyone besides me wonder if this is his way to stick it to the Jets. Screw with the draft plans then finally decide he wants to stay in FL? Nah, the man’s too egotistical for that, better to just keep the spotlight on him as long as he can. BTW, I’m in favor of getting him.
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frustratedjetfan says:
Mr T should give a deadline of 0001AM draft day. As far as I’m concerned, since he now wants to string them along until after the draft which is the first time Miami might give him an offer, he’s already decided the Jets are his lifeline / last choice.
Screw him! Draft a young rusher with our 1st and another project-type rusher later on.
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Jetknut79 says:
Enough is enough with Taylor.. Had he signed shortly after the Jets wined and dined him in NJ, ok. But now with this S#8It He’s pulling….Tanny best be cuttin that deal off stat! We don’t want someone who isn’t sure they want to come to a superbowl contender… especially not Taylor… What a piece he is….
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WW85 says:
How Could Tanny not give him a pre draft deadline? This is nuts. We are giving the Fish flexibility to assess their team post draft while handcuffing our own draft???
Tanny is terrific but someone explain to me how this makes any sense at all???
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Ben Nevis says:
Back when Taylor visited FP it looked as though his agent was trying to use the interest from the Jets to spark interest from the Fins. And I said so at the time on this blog.
Most of the stories in the press were coming from JT’s agent: how Rex wanted Taylor a year ago, how Rex is crazy about Taylor, how the Jets were rolling out the red carpet for him. Every story was designed to show how nuts about Taylor the Jets were.
But the Fins weren’t biting. They reiterated that they wouldn’t addressed Taylor’s situation until AFTER the draft. It was like a girl trying to get her boyfriend jealous by flirting with someone else.
The Fins almost blinked this past weekend when their HC Tony S scheduled a meeting with Taylor. But then TS backed out of the meeting and the Fins FO gave no public explanation.
So the girlfriend (JT) made her move, the boyfriend (the Fins) stood pat. And the new boy (Mike T)—the boy the girl was trying to use to make her boyfriend jealous—said he wished she’d make up her mind BEFORE the the big dance (ie, BEFORE the draft).
But nothing doing.
Now, for the first time, Taylor’s agent is saying that JT won’t make a decision until AFTER the draft himself.
Which means that the girl’s heart (JT’s heart) belongs to her boyfriend (the Fins). And instead of her playing him. He’s been playing her, while we stand around with our hands in our pockets and watch.
This would have been embarrassing , even if we were actually in high school. It’s a lot more embarrassing that we’re not.
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mole57 says:
Time to move on. Wait for Adalius to get cut in June.
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As for Taylor’s waiting until after the draft to make a decision (or actually waiting till the Fins make a decision), this should NOT affect our draft plans.
Even if JT had signed had signed with us, it shouldn’t have affected our draft plans.
We need a pass rusher. Period.
Even if Taylor had signed with us, we’d still need a pass rusher, as we could only expect JT to give us one productive year (if that).
So unless we trade way up for Eric Berry (which seems unlikely), or trade up a bit for Earl Thomas (which also seems unlikely), then I think we take a pass rusher like Jerry Hughes at #29.
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rusty sanchez says:
i think he came up here for a free meal on the jets cause he knows the fins dont want him
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hank/naples says:
I wonder how Joe S. would feel if Taylor made the sack, causing the fumble (see Ellis) to win the Jets the Super Bowl?
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Bent says: You tell us, Hank, since you actually have first hand experience of actively rooting against a Jets player while still rooting for the team.
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JetsFan65 says:
I am really tired of all this Taylor talk and i was actually for getting him. There are much better topics to talk about like the Draft.
Bassett- Can we please not have another Taylor article until he is actually signed by us or we pull the offer or something like that?
At this point, I really think we’re better off trying to sign Sharper. He has showed interest in coming here and would contribute much more to the team.
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The other Tom B says:
I guess it all depends on how much Rex thinks JT can add. At this point It would make me LOL if Rex said to him if he finally agrees, that “Sorry, the deal is off. If you were Really a Jet, you would have been here by now. Just look at LT, Cromartie and Holmes, they are in fold and WANT to be a JET!” He will never be more than a mercenary and Never a Jet.
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Bent says:
Ben – I like your high school musical-style analogy, but in that example, if the girl in question was impressionable and self-centered, then surely she would end up deciding to stick with the other guy if he tempted her with a shiny bit of jewellery that the other guy couldn’t possibly provide her, right?
Not that Jason Taylor compares to an impressionable, self-centered teenage girl. Actually, now I come to think about it…
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Would our 1 & 2 be enough to get Berry? Does anyone think he is worth that? I think he may be. We would have one of the finest secondaries ever assembled.
I think if Taylor signs, then we might make a play for Berry. If Taylor doesn’t sign, it makes our job harder as we really have to go for passrusher ASAP.
Taylor fills a 1-2 year need but he does fill it. I can’t figure out why Tanny is playing it this way. I guess Rex is so in love with JT that he wants every chance to get him even if it helps the fish.
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Bent says:
“Would our 1 & 2 be enough to get Berry? ”
No.
“Does anyone think he is worth that? ”
Yes.
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Nick P says:
i do not want Taylor. i don’t care if he gets 17 sacks this year. its a slap in the face to all of Jets Nation.
that being said – if we stay put at 29 and Jerry Hughes is there..snag him in the first 10 seconds of the pick. but i just don’t see us sitting at 29. after all these trades going on i think Trader Mike will stick with the trend.
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Bent says:
Does this really screw with the draft plans?
2007 – Kendall’s status is uncertain entering the draft, Tannenbaum doesn’t draft a lineman, gets burned.
2008 – Baker’s status is uncertain entering the draft, Tannenbaum moves up for Keller, moves on without Baker.
2009 – Jones and Leon’s status is uncertain entering the draft, Tannenbaum moves up for Greene, moves on without Jones and with Leon in a reduced role.
2010 – Jason Taylor’s status is uncertain. He wasn’t a long term option anyway, so make sure you draft a pass rusher (or trade for a young one) and then if you do get him (and/or Adalius) that’s all well and good, but if he continues to mess you around, you have a plan in place. So…they’re drafting a pass rusher no matter what.
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Bent—
“Ben — I like your high school musical-style analogy, but in that example, if the girl in question was impressionable and self-centered, then surely she would end up deciding to stick with the other guy if he tempted her with a shiny bit of jewellery that the other guy couldn’t possibly provide her, right?”
Exactly, Bent. The girl in question is not only self-centered, but also superficial and an airhead. But she could be lured to the new boy by something shiny, like a nice piece of jewellry, especially if her boyfriend doesn’t give her the kind of attention she thinks she deserves.
But for right now anyway, the girl is waiting by the phone until after the draft, hoping that her boyfriend calls.
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So Bent, what would we have to give up for Berry & would it be worth our cost?
1 & 2 + Leon?
1 & 2 + Cotch?(I say no tho this one)
1 & 2 + Edwards?
Our 1 this year & our 1 next year?
Just curious, really
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Bent—
I agree that Berry is worth our #1 & our #2, and also agree that it probably wouldn’t be enough.
I also think that Mike T probably wouldn’t want to give up both our #1 & #2 in this draft.
So the odds of us picking up Berry seem remote.
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jp losman says:
at first i could have really cared less what jason talyor said in the past. whatever, he played for the dolphins, we hated him, he hated us, so be it. i had no problem with him being a JET. but now, he’s clearly dragging his feet, he doesn;t really want to be here, and it looks like he’s holding out for a better place and i’m to the point where i say, %&^* him then.
thats how you develop bad chemisrty in locker rooms. you get guys in here that have made this their 2nd choice. there’s enough guys that would want to be here, we dont need this dip $h!^.
maybe i dont know the entire inside story, but tannanbaum has to have more pride than this.
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I think we shouldn’t hold our breath on Berry, WW85. But at the same time not be shocked if Tanny did pull such a move lol.
From all of the talks that i’ve of a trade with the Browns for their #7, we would have to give up our 1st this year and next year and then some. I don’t think that’s worth it.
The 1st trade rumor floating around was that we were in talks with the Raiders for their #8 for out 1st next year and our 2nd this year. Now that deal i think would be worth it even if we don’t get Berry
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k.c. says:
JASON TAYLOR should NOT be a NEW YORK JET! Take the offer off the table RIGHT NOW and LETS MOVE ON! The guy is DONE anyways.
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I say if anything,stand PAT at 29 or trade down for more picks and add some NEEDED depth to this team so we aren’t a one/two year wonder and build a DYNASTY that will make us COMPETITIVE for YEARS to come. How was THAT for a run-on sentence!
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JetsFan65—
Even if we had enough candy to trade up for the Browns #7 pick, or the Raiders’ #8—which seems unlikely (though with Al Davis, anything is possible)—it’s still possible that Berry would be gone before that.
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(only saying stand pat if we had to give up too much.) For the right price(which Tannenbaum ALWAYS seems to get)I would be esctatic to move up and get the player we WANT. Our past few drafts have been STELLAR and I dont really see that changing anytime soon. These AREN’T your “same ol’ Jets”!
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K.C.- Tanny doesn’t know how to trade down and i believe that he said isn’t going to trade up or down in the Pre Draft interview.
But then again Tanny always says things to throw everybody off from what he really wants to do.
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I think we’d have to trade to Mangini’s spot or above to have any shot at Berry.
I think he could be worth 2 #1s if he is in Revis league.
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Ben Nevis-
That is very true, I completely agree, that’s why i said i would the Raiders trade even if we wouldn’t get Berry. There are alot of other great players and it would’ve been great to have to 1st rd picks.But with that said, it is highly unlikely as you pointed out. I like Berry but i don’t want him as bad as most of the other guys here do. I really like Earl Thomas which wouldn’t cost as much to trade up for.
I also would be happy if we just stay at 29 and draft between:
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WW85—
Berry is a monster blitzer, a monster in coverage, he can intercept, he can stop the run, he can tackle and he can hit. I think he’s a future All Pro. On another thread, Eddie said he thinks EB is a future Ed Reed.
So, yeah, Berry is worth.
Problem is now that Holmgren is the GM at the Browns, we’d have to give up a hell of a lot to get their #7 (the Penguin might have taken less), and it’s still possible that Berry is gone before the Browns pick.
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Bent says:
WW85 – Looking at the draft value chart, I’m thinking that 1, 2, Leon AND either Braylon or Cotchery would just about do it, although the actual price might be less than that if a team is (for financial reasons) desperate to get out of the top ten.
They won’t do a deal like that, but I can see them putting a deal such as this year’s first and next year’s first on the table to see whether someone will bite.
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Bent says:
“Tanny doesn’t know how to trade down”
He traded down from 35 to get Clemens at 71 (having traded back up a few spots), picking up good value in the process.
He also traded down in 2008 for Lowery and picked up good value in the process.
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JetsFan65—
Yeah, I think we agree. I also like Earl Thomas a lot, and have said so on previous threads.
In fact, I think Berry and Thomas are the only safeties worth taking in round one.
We’d probably have to trade up a bit for ET, but I don’t know how likely it is that we will.
But if Berry and Thomas are gone when we pick, then I think we go with a pass rusher like Jerry Hughes at #29.
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Dylan says:
The Jets traded up from #17 to #5 last year. To do so, they gave up their 1st, 2nd, a starting DE, a backup safety, and a 3rd string QB. Everybody (except for Hank and MAYBE Mangini) agreed that the Jets got an absolute steal with that trade.
#29 to #5-#10 is a much bigger jump. The Jets also wont be able to rip of Mangini again, so I think its going to take a lot more than last year. I still think that our best trade parter would be the Browns at #7. Here is what I think we would need to give up to get a trade done
2010 1st
2011 1st
Leon Washington
Eric SmithI think thats equivalent to a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 5th or 6th.
The #29 pick has a value of 640
The 2011 1st has the value of 2nd round pick. I am going to use the 16th pick in the 2nd round which has a value of 420
Leon Washington probably has 3rd round value. I think he is worth an early second round pick so I’m going to say he is worth between 265-190
I am going to say that Eric Smith is worth a mid 5th round pick which is about 34
If we add all of that up, it comes out to between 1284 and 1359. The #7 pick has a value of 1500. I think it would get it done though, because of the depth of this draft.
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Bent—
Mike T traded down for Clemens & Lowery, which proves that he knows HOW to trade down, but not WHEN to trade down.
Clemens & Lowery are not exactly success stories.
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* I mean I think Leon is worth an early THIRD round pick.
We might need to throw a guy like BT or Lowery into that deal as well.
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They will not give up any of their top 3 receivers, they got them for a reason. We do not need Berry that badly. I agree with you Bent 100%.
They would only add players like Leon, E. Smith, Indhigo, B. Thomas, Clowney, or B. Smith to any deal. Oh yeah and Clemens too
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Dylan—
Yeah, you’re right: we’d have to give up our #1 this year and next, as well as players like Leon and E. Smith to trade up high enough for a shot at Berry.
I think Berry is worth it. But I don’t think it’s likely that Mike T does it.
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Dylan—
The place I draw the line is Bryan Thomas. Unless we sign Adalius Thomas, we’re going to need BT this year.
For Berry, though, E. Smith, Lowery and even Leon are worth it.
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Bent & Ben, So you guys support giving up 2 #1s for Berry if we could? I am agnostic to slightly in favor I guess.
I think the argument could be made that Revis, Polomalu, Ed Reed are worth 2 1s. But there is always major risk to how someone actually performs in the NFL…
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JetsFan65—
I agree: I can’t see us giving up Braylon or JCo to trade up. It makes no sense.
With Bluntonio, Braylon & JCo, we now have one of the best WR cores in the league.
Only players that I’d give up to trade up for Berry are any combination of E. Smith, Lowery, Indhigo, Leon, Brad, and Clemens (but who would want him).
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WW85—
Yes, I think Berry is that rare, NFL-ready, future-All Pro talent that is worth two #1 picks (this year’s and next).
But I also think it’s unlikely that Mike T pulls that kind of trigger.
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Ben Nevis,
I like BT a lot too. I think he is replaceable though. If the Jets add a vet (either JT or AD), and draft an OLB in the 2nd round I think that will be enough. Remember the Jets also have Jamaal Westerman who Rex loves. He is big enough to play OLB in the 3-4. I would try to give up other guys like Clowney, Lowey, and E. Smith first, but if the Browns really wanted BT than I would give him up.
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It looks like some of you guys are warming up to my trade up idea….trading back is so overrated. These draft picks are not gold.
Mr T has hit the jackpot almost every time he has traded up….I hope it continues this year again
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I think the argument could be made that Revis, Polomalu, Ed Reed are worth 2 1s. But there is always major risk to how someone actually performs in the NFL…
WW85- I completely agree which is why it would’t be wise to give up way too much for Berry assuming that he will be next Ed Reed.
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Bent says:
Remember a late first rounder has low value compared even to a mid round pick. I’d give up two number 30′s, but not 2 number fifteens.
Ben – the fact be traded down and got those guys and that they weren’t huge successes vilifies his strategy. If he didn’t know how to trade down, he’d have reached for those guys instead of getting value first and minimizing the damage. It’s all about value.
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endzoneview says:
Forget it. He doesn’t want to be here, that’s obvious. If we sign him now it will be a big mistake. His heart isn’t in it to be in New York, and unless he wants to be here 100%, we won’t get 100% committment from him. That’s just the way it works.
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madbacker12 says:
you know something jevon kearse is only 33 and he is 264 maybe he could help out our pass rush i really think we should bring him in for a visit before the draft, we should see if he has anything left while i know he only had 3.5 sacks he would proably be a better option than taylor.
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Ben N-
We are on the same page. And lol on the who would want Clemens comment, that is so true.Nobody would want him for a straight up trade but i hope that we would be able to trade him in a packaged deal for something (not neccesarily a trade for Berry).
He would get a better chance at starting somewhere else and we would get some kind of value in return. I would take a 7 rounder for him lol
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Dylan—
Yes, if we signed Adalius Thomas, that would make Bryan Thomas expendable. But signing Jason Taylor and/or drafting someone like Jerry Hughes does NOT replace B. Thomas. Taylor and Hughes are NOT solid run stoppers. A. Thomas is. But the Pats are probably not going to release AT until AFTER the draft.
And, yes, I left out Clowney from my list above. But still wouldn’t give up B. Thomas without signing someone like A. Thomas first.
So here’s what I would give up to trade up for Berry:
1st rounder 2010
1st rounder 2011
any combination of: E. Smith, Lowery, Clowney, Indhigo, Leon, Brad and Clemens (but, again, who would want Clemens?)And once again, though, I don’t think it’s likely that Mike T would do this.
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JetsFan65—
I’d take a cheerleader for Clemens, and a can of soda for Gholston.
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WHAT ABOUT JEVON KEARSE
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jlad51 says:
Anything on Haynesworth…2nd rounder?????
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Bent:
Actually, I really have NO feelings about Taylor comming over, other than the comments I’ve made a while back that he has proven he is NOT “about the $$$” It’sall about life after football vs. his love for football!!!
My thoughts are that He can help the Jets in more ways than one. He is a very smart, experienced DE/LB with some gas left tin the tank.
What I don’t understand is all the hoopla about not making a decision. I’m sure the Dolphins kept him in the loop PRIOR to releasing Porter and they both know very well where they both stand!!
That said, this Costa Rica vacation ( I believe) was NOT a surprise to anyone and all this is just Media Hype!!! I’m sure Taylor will keep the Jets posted AS PROMISED!!!
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JEVON KEARSE COULD BE A EXCELLENT IN THE ROLE WE ARE PLAINING TO USE TAYLOR IN BECAUSE HE IS ONLY 33 AND CAN GET AFTER THE QUATERBACK COMING OF THE EDGE HE WOULD HAVE TO STOP THE RUN HE WOULD JUST COME IN ON PASS RUSHING DOWNS
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Anyone know anything about Landry, Redskins Safety who also appears to be on the block as well…
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Bent—
“Ben – the fact be traded down and got those guys and that they weren’t huge successes vilifies his strategy. If he didn’t know how to trade down, he’d have reached for those guys instead of getting value first and minimizing the damage. It’s all about value.”
I think you meant “validates,” not “vilifies,” right?
If so, okay, I get your point.
But it also seems to suggest that if you trade down (at least in these two instances), you get what you pay for. Which, in the case of Clemens and Lowery, isn’t much.
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hank/naples, I would Still HATE Him!
I don’t want him here! If he does come… I DON’T want him to get any Credit if we Win!
I don’t want to be put in thet situation.
I HATE Jason Taylor!
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Well, we should have traded down the Gholston pick. He is worth less than Clemens & Lowery & cost more than twice combined.
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Shane L. says:
OMG can we please just give up on this tool? Nobody wants him here anyway and now he’s pulling this crap, just trying to screw us before the draft before signing with Miami. We can draft Jerry Hughes in the 1st who will have the same impact as Taylor. F him.
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Bent says:
Yeah, validates. Frickin’ iPhone!
The point is, the value wasn’t there at the point where they picked, so it was smart to move back. In the case of Lowery, there was a run on corners (Justin King, Tyvon Branch, etc) just before they were due to pick, so they obviously thought there was no more worthy third round CBs, so they moved back and got Lowery a round later (and he has actually been good value in the fourth round, just a letdown based on some of the 4th round gems we’ve had in the past!)
Trading down is different to trading up, because you don’t actively target someone. Don’t focus on the players they ended up with, focus on the fact that instead of reaching for a player, they picked up some extra picks and went with someone else (or maybe even the same guy) with a later pick instead.
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bent what about jevon kearse playing 3-4 outside linebacker
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Bent—
lol—yeah, I have an iTouch and typing on it drives me nuts (especially when it “coorects” what I type and inserts a word that has nothing to do with what I meant).
But, yes, I see your point.
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Dylan—
Since we were talking about Adalius Thomas, there’s a piece on him in today’s Boston Globe, which gives you an idea of the kind of limbo AT is in at NE.
Here are a few excerpts from the Globe piece on Adalius Thomas:
________________________________________In his words, [last summer Adalius Thomas] was told [by the Pats that] he was “not a good pass rusher’’ and that his role would be changing. He had not yet returned to the field from his arm injury. . .
It isn’t clear why the Patriots haven’t released Thomas. Neither he nor his agent, Bus Cook, has had contact with club officials. The linebacker is not participating in the offseason workout program, but will attend mandatory minicamp in June if he is still on the roster.
He was asked if he believes he’s played his last down with the Patriots.
“I wish I really knew. And that’s the honest-to-God truth,’’ he said. “The only person that knows that would be Bill. I don’t have a clue what’s going to happen, what their plans are, so it’s kind of uncertain. It’s uncomfortable too, because you don’t really know where you’re going to be.”
_________________________________________Adalius Thomas has no idea whether he’s gonna be a Pat this year or not.
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Here’s the link to the Boston Globe piece:
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2010/04/17/thomas_on_the_outside/?page=full
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Ben Nevis,
Strange. I thought he would be released right away. I think the Patriots are going to wait as long as they can before they cut him. There is no way they are going to pay him.
Again, I like BT but I do think he is replaceable. It isn’t too hard to find a good run stopper. Even Gholston did a pretty decent job against the run last year. Jason Taylor actually did a pretty good job against the run last year. Bottom line, I don’t really want to give BT up, but I wouldn’t let it prevent us from getting Berry.
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Dylan—
Yeah, it’s a pretty good piece in the Boston Globe about Adalius Thomas. Really gives you a sense of how he’s been banished by Bill B.
As for Bryan Thomas, I don’t think you can compare Gholston’s production to BT’s last year.
BRYAN THOMAS:
40 Total Tackles
53 Comb
13 Asst
2 Sacks
1 Forced FumbleVERNON GHOLSTON:
12 Total Tackles
17 Comb
5 Asst
0 Sacks
0 Forced FumblesBryan Thomas also had more Total Tackles than Jason Taylor (40 to 33), more Comb (53 to 42), and more Asst (13 to 9).
All of which is to say, I don’t think Bryan Thomas is as easily replaced as you seem to think.
But, yes, signing someone like Adalius Thomas—if the Pats ever release him—would make Bryan Thomas expendable. Would just like to sign that replacement BEFORE trading BT.
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You know what i just thought about, we would’ve been way better off signing Joey Porter than Taylor who was released and then we could have even kept Feeley instead of giving him up to sign a UFA.
Why didn’t we try to get Porter? I’m guessing it because of too much $ for too many years…
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Ben Nevis,
Yes, I agree that if possible we should have a replacement lined up. Jason Taylor and Vernon Gholston aren’t as good against the run, but I would be willing to make a small downgrade at that spot in order to make a huge upgrade at FS with Berry. I that an OLB drafted in the 2nd round could make a pretty significant contribution as well. Rex definitely knows his LBs. I would obviously rather keep BT if possible though. He has been a pretty solid player for us, and was a big contributer in the playoffs.
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Dylan—
Okay, then we agree that a replacement should be lined up first, if we’re going to trade Bryan Thomas.
But I don’t think Gholston would be, as you put it, “a small downgrade” from B. Thomas. VG would be a MAJOR downgrade. He’s a major bust. Also, Taylor is 35 and on his decline. I wouldn’t want to count on him as an every-down LB. If we sign JT, it would be to use him primarily as a situational pass rusher.
But, yes, I think both of us agree: we’d both rather keep Bryan Thomas, if possible.
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Joe B. says:
Screw him. We don’t want him here, but Rex apparently does. If the opportunity to start on the best defense in the NFL and possibly win a ring isn’t good enough for him, he can take his washed up self somewhere else. Good riddance.
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Mike24 says:
Those greedy pricks in New England are just playin dirty with Adalius Thomas because they know he would be a Jet 5 minutes after they cut him. They technically don’t owe him a penny until around september so it doesnt hurt them at all to keep him around right now. The Mass-holes are scared of us, we all know it, and this only proves it.
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Bent says:
Ben – naturally, I agree with your comments that BT is much better than VG, but it’s very interesting that you were talking about production.
BT had exactly five times as many snaps as VG on defense last year. Multiply those tackle numbers by five and VG was actually more productive than BT. Significantly. (However, I think you included special teams tackles…defense only would still be slightly more productive though).
Even as a pass rusher, he might not have recorded a sack, but he has 5 pressures. BT had 21, which was actually 2nd best on the team.
Also interesting, BT had one of the lowest missed tackle rates in the league, but VG didn’t miss a single tackle.
Stuff like this makes me wonder if he’s closer to contributing than we think.
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dakar says:
bent…
you always get me thinking in apositive way when you say things like that about VG…
anyway,i dont understand why the jets are allowing JT to hold them HOSTAGE…i think they should just go ahead and make the decision taylor isnt signing with us and go foward into the draft thinking that way…just saying…
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Ben Nevis & Bent,
Gholston has been a huge disappointment. I think we can all agree on that. He was brought here to rush the passer and make big plays, and he has failed to record a single sack. That said, he didn’t play all that badly for the first 4 games last season. Obviously he has a target on his back because he has failed to produce up to this point, but the Jets did go 3-1 with him starting at OLB. He is nearly identical in size to BT as well. Lets remember also that BT isn’t exactly a young guy anymore. He turns 31 in June. Would Gholston be a downgrade from BT? Of course. Would he be a significant downgrade? Its really hard to say at this point. Plus it wouldn’t just be him filling in for BT. I would be a combo of Ghost/Westerman/2nd rounder/AD or JT. The Jets were able to overcome the loss of Jenkins. I think they could definitely replace BT.
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Eddie DiGio says:
I defended the rationale behind the move…
but seriously, this guy has until next week…if the Jets dont know by the time the draft starts Thurs…
It has nothing to do with the fact that he could help the team, guy just shows Jets fans time and again why he is a human gutter ball…
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I always liked Human Gutter Ball
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You know what…
Screw Taylor…just wait out the Pats for Adalius Thomas and draft Jerry Hughes number 1 and lets go get this…
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Xtina says:
OMG give it up Jets! Retract this offer already, and look t the draft.
Taylor sounds like he’s waiting for the best prom date; I hate to think what he was like in high school.
That screws up the draft plans