TJB Scouting Report: OL Vlad Ducasse
Height: 6′4″ | Weight: 332 lbs
Arm Length: 34 3/4 in. | Hand Size: 9 5/8 in.
Press: 29 | College: UMass
Ducasse Biography
Positives: Ducasse is a physical and tough player with excellent size and strength. He is very agile and is quick off the snap. He has light feet and can be an anchor. He is durable, versatile and brings everything to the field with him.
Negatives: His instincts aren’t all together yet most likely due to his lack of football experience after growing up in Haiti. His footwork needs some attention and more importantly he needs to learn to finish his blocks and take better angles against defenders.
Analysis: In all honesty I truly believed that the Jets were going to go either safety or linebacker here but the way the draft is going, I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised they chose Ducasse. Although drafting an OL wasn’t a major need especially this early I could see why this happened. There is uncertainty with Alan Faneca at LT, Damian Woody is getting on in years and overall the line could use depth. After some coaching by the master, Bill Callahan, I believe Ducasse can turn into a very dangerous OL that could provide excellent protection for Sanchez.
Ducasse Film Room:
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwLp0hBtWsg
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-qdDdaz3Rw
370 Responses to TJB Scouting Report: OL Vlad Ducasse
-
I didnt like the pick at first but.. this guy is Tall.. i would of liked Sapp but i guess this pick is OK
-
MHC2930 says:
Very solid pick, i think we should of drafted Griffen though. But still like the pick since some of our O-linemen are getting up in age. But i would keep faneca and have him teach ducasse. Maybe cut him but then bring him back on a cheaper contract so we hav extra cap room
-
steviek says:
Callahan will definitely be a key here. Can never go wrong building a team inside, from the lines out. Solid line play really helps building a really consistent team. Look at the Eagles.
-
dtrain says:
i was stuck in class when i saw this on nfl…really not sure how i feel im kinda dissapointed when i saw whos left on the board
-
jkjet64 says:
I’m finally proud to be a Jets fan. I’ve been a fan for a long, long time. I don’t know if the picks will work out, but I no longer scratch my head at the Draft picks. i may disagree slightly but there are no more moments where I go WTF?
-
jim says:
surprising…guess they didnt like everson griffin?….depth on the O-line? guess were looking long term…..oh well…we were 30 minutes from the SB last year, and we did add AC, SH, LT and JT…well be just fine
-
James says:
I like it. Pick for the future. Faneca and Woody are both getting up there in age…groom him for a year and start him next season. If they expect him to start right away, it’s going to be a huge mistake. He’s still extremely raw.
-
phil says:
Also, we have been lucky with offensive lineman not getting hurt the past two years. Now we have a guy to compete for a starting spot and who can cover us at guard or tackle if he doesn’t start, and someone gets hurt
-
i like it for the future the more i think i def dont hate this but i kind of thought a DE maybe Dt would go off… we still dont hav a glaring weakness so its’allgood
-
Adrian in CA says:
@jkjet64
The bar is low :)
-
Ethan says:
Really do like the pick, would we have taken Tate if he wasn’t snatched a pick before us?
I was at the Jets draft party last night, and was talking to Marty Lyons, who said that Tate was who he thought the Jets should target with their FIRST ROUND pick.
-
@ Adrian,
True but at least their picks have some logic to them. lol
-
seanmac31 says:
I trust the Everson Griffen fan club noted that with a serious need at DE, Griffen’s college coach passed on him the pick before ours.
That was plenty good enough for me.
-
MegaTell says:
all the boards had this guy going 3rd round or 4th. This was a horrible pick. This whole draft stinks and I am one of the most optimistic Jets fans. This is the worse damage Jason Taylor has ever done to the Jets. The Dolphins must be thrilled.
-
??? says:
Strengths:
Excellent size with a huge frame and long arms — Tough, physical and aggressive — Very strong — Good athleticism and agility — Quick and fires off the snap — Light on his feet — Gets an outstanding push in the run game — Stout at the point of attack and can anchor — Mobile with range to pull, get out in space and reach the second level — Is feisty and competitive with a nasty on-field demeanor — Zealous work ethic — Is versatile — Durable — Experienced — Considerable upside.Weaknesses:
Questionable instincts and awareness — Inconsistent leverage and pad level — Footwork will need to be refined — Average slide and mirror ability — Trouble sustaining and falls off blocks — Concentration and focus will wane at times — Did not face a lot of quality competition.Notes:
Last name is pronounced “DOO-cahss” — Was a three-year starter for the Minutemen — Born in Port Au Prince, Haiti and didn’t come to the United States until 2002, when he was 14-years-old — Earned 1st Team FCS All-American honors in 2009 — Named 1st Team All-CAA in 2008 and 2009 — Also fluent in French and Creole and didn’t learn English until his freshman year of high school — Was a team captain as a senior — Could project to either tackle or guard at the next level and has experience at both positions — Still raw and relatively new to the game but is an extremely intriguing prospect with all the physical tools as well as the top – notch intangibles needed to maximize his potential. -
Randy says:
Well they addressed a situation that certainly needed to be addressed.Their is uncertainty with Faneca and woody is getting older so we needed an offensive Lineman that can play multiple positions up front.My gut says they will keep Faneca anyway (despite rumors), but we had to get younger going forward.Not to mention we will have to lock up Brick and Mangold longterm after Faneca and Woody leave.
I can also see why they went as high to draft this guy.The way this draft s going, a lot of linebackers or defensive Lineman are falling in the draft and we could get lucky and draft a guy like Corey Wootton
in the 4th round. -
Jake says:
Hey guys, does this mean we can sign Darren Sharper?
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Howard-Green-signs-with-the-Redskins.html
-
Eddie DiGio says:
MegaTell
I saw the same thing you saw….thats why I freaked out
and I get called a “cheerleader” myself…
as long as we keep that line together though for one more year and let the kid learn the scheme, Ill be fine with it…he does have ALOT of potential
-
Green Goblin says:
If they dump Faneca then this is a stupid move by Tannenbaum because it will disrupt the OL chemistry that did so well protecting Sanchez last season. Remember, Tannenbaum is a fool when it come’s to dealing with his OL. Anyone remember Pete Kendall? Tannenbaum didn’t want to pay him an extra million bucks so he was replaced with an unproven (Bender)who they said would do a great job and it turned the previously solid OL turned into a disaster…Tannenbaum should learn from that disaster and keep Faneca for one more year to groom Vlad, who is clearly not ready…And, if they think Hunter or Slauson can replace Faneca then Tannenbaum really is a fool…
-
Eric in StL says:
i hope so jake
-
asdf says:
MegaTell,
Check your information. Ducasse was projected to be an early 2nd round pick. He was a great value pick where we got him.
-
4th round Jets Draft….Corey Wootton OLB Northwestern
Watch this kid.He can get pressure on the QB
-
Scott Wright at Draft Countdown (very knowledgeable and trustworthy) had him going 37 to the Eagles.
-
Remaining Rocky Klever says:
Many mocks that I saw had Ducasse going mid 2nd.
It’s a solid, if unsexy pick
-
Cimini thinks it’s unlikely we’ll see him step in right away.
-
@Green Goblin,
I thought the Pete Kendall move sucked too but the Jets didn’t have Bill Callaghan then either. I beleive this is a good move
-
greg sec130 says:
Mega Tell never heard this guy’s name before tonight, looked him up, saw him in the 3rd round on a draft board of some hack, and now calls other people stupid for thinking he was good based on their assessment, which involved actually watching him play.
-
Marvel(I wanted Mays) says:
I don’t care anymore *sad face*
-
Trust me, if we can land Everson Griffen or Corey Wootton in the 4th round, we will look at this move as being great.After round 2, Guards and Tackles are very slim.Linebackers are deep this year.
-
Harvlis says:
Vladdy is going to learn from the best. He has all the physical tools and, when he learns the game, he is going to be a solid Guard for years to come. I like both of our picks. I have to give credit to Tanny for not trading away the farm. I guarantee you that Ducasse is going to become a better O-Lineman than many taken before him. Two good picks.
-
Nate R. says:
This could end up being a very good pick. Not the most exciting but still good. I can’t help thinking though that somehow rex and tanny were inspired to make this pick by watching the blind side a few too many times during the off season. haha (just kidding of course)
-
Randy
Corey Wooton is a 3-4 DE 5 tech…not a LB hes 6-7 290 lbs
He is not a pass rusher by any stretch of the imagination
-
Well pick 81 and still no Everson Griffen. Must be something we don’t know so now I think this pick is even better
-
jkjet64, this is a GREAT move IF they keep Faneca around for another season….
-
i’m killing someone if we don’t keep faneca
-
@Green,
You’re probably right. I must confess, I didn’t watch too many UMASS games. Ok, none. lol
-
Green Lantern says:
we dont have a fourth
-
Eddie DiGio
He would still be a good pick for us
-
AKA Jack says:
Uncertainty? Here’s what’s certain. Alan Faneca will be a Jet for no more than 1 season. What other position on this team can you say that about?
I’m really surprised that despite weeks and weeks of people saying we had to have an OLB and then signing Taylor, people saying we needed a slot receiver and then stealing Holmes, anyone would be shocked by this pick. I’m only surprised that he lasted this long.
-
i agree with Jack- this is a great pick. we don’t really need anything, but Oline. if there weren’t rumor mongering about faneca being cut, then everything would be sunshine and rainbows
-
mccoy and shipley to the browns?
-
Watch these videos folks and be amazed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waZuFK_pxjA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1LXvijqoeY&NR=1I guarantee you half the Jet fans that never heard of this guy will want to have him after watching these videos
-
Wait…O WE DONT HAVE A 3RD !! Mixup my bad
-
jledowitz says:
every where i have seen a mock has this guy going early to mid 2nd we got him pretty much in the 3rd round when u look at it…its a great pick up. faneca is older and cant pass block to save his kids so its time we find some youth on the oline, i say this kids moves to rt and slauson takes over lg.
i like what the jets have done so far. we took a very good cb who some say is better then haden and a o lineman who will be a starter. lets go jets
-
David A says:
We actually have two 4th round picks.
-
sunsetmusic says:
I’d sign up for Wooten ….DEF!!!!
-
AKA Jack, why are you surprised that Vlad lasted this long? He went right where he was supposed to go (mid/late second round). Nobody had Vlad going in the first round or early second round..Probably not even you. Every mock draft I read had guys like Griffin going ahead of Vlad..This is by no stretch a great value pick like Wilson was yesterday…
-
This is one of the craziest darfts i think I have ever seen!
-
k.c. says:
we’re doing what we are SUPPOSED to do. We are adding MUCH NEEDED depth on both sides of the ball and the players we are drafting are SOLID! We are building a DYNASTY!
-
2 4ths Since When ?
-
we only have one 4th
-
Wooten was originally mocked as a 2nd rounder do to an injury.He would be a steal whomever grabs him and the Jets NEED a DE/OLB who can create pressure.
-
you go on nfl.com…its gives you the guys Grade…ducasse had a solid second round grade of 7.7 which is top 2nd rd talent…this kid just needs a year to learn
lets just give this kid a year to learn, then he’ll be able to really step in and be ready to rock n roll…
-
bob on twitter….
mike is trying to trade back into the 3rd rd because it’s a few players he like is still on the board stay tune folks
-
War Machine says:
lol talk about a big splash. A 1st and 2nd pick 4 back ups? Wow!!! can we please draft a pass rusher? I cant believe we are depending on Ghoulston and freaking Jayson Taylor. lol
-
randy
again
wooton is a 5 tech…HES NOT A PASS RUSHER
Greg Hardy, Everson Griffen, Ricky Sapp
Wooton does not play that position!!!!!!!!!
-
War Machine,
We are actually depending on Jason Taylor and Calvin Pace (at this point). Gholston moved to DE.
-
joethejet says:
what the hell are they doing,im really not feeling our draft this year
-
Back to wooten,
if he is not drafted in the 3rd round, Jets SHould look to move up and grab this guy.He is a steal and would make a difference under Rex Ryan. Other teams dont know enough about him yet and come tomorrow teams will re evaluate the best players remaining and he will be gone early 4th.Much like Brian Price was today by the BUCS.
Sapp is overated and Everson Griffen could be gone early tomorrow.
-
I guess now since we r drafting career back ups mind as well draft a kicker. Lmao
-
joethejet,
That’s what pretty much everyone said last year with Mark Sanchez and look what happened. Give it a chance.
-
Green Goblin-
Yea, actually some did.
-
IDC where Wootton plays…He is a STEAL lol
He is rated 7.9 which is one of the best remaining Defensive Lineman remaining.He could play DE or Outside Linebacker in the NFL 3-4 scheme
-
Vlad is rated 7.6 which is better than Zane Beatlles who was drafted 45th overall by the Broncos
-
Randy
NO HE CANT
he can only play 3-4 DE five tech… you are totally wrong
-
reality jet fan says:
War machine that is funny!
-
If he plays Guard, than he is ranked 3rd or 4th best unfer NFL.com
-
david harris says:
i only hope tanny moves up for Reshad.
-
Gee you think we stole this pick from the vikings.
-
Eddie DiGio
I said he could play Defensive end
-
jvsvn says:
I like the pick. Picking OLs is never sexy but it’s got to be done. Our entire offensive philosophy is based on dominating at the line of scrimmage. We’ve had a good run for a couple of years being able to keep the OL intact. That won’t go on forever. Getting more depth on the OL was a priority. Callahan is probably the best OL coach in the league. If he thinks this guy is good then I’m OK with it. Even without big Jenks the DL played great last year. Now Jenks is back, we signed Jason Taylor and VG is moving back to DL to provide depth. Taking a solid guy to develop at OL is a much better pick than making a reach for a DL when we already have that position covered.
-
reality jet fan
did you see how hard I bugged out???
-
So disapointed with the draft. And im not fully on the kyle wilson bandwagon yet when u have J Hughes staring u n the face. Then u let him go to the colts as if they need another pass rusher wow
-
AKA Jack, who on this planet had Vlad going in the first round? What mock draft even had Vlad going early second round? Name it..Not potential to go (like the grade Eddie DiGio gave). You said some..Name them..I mean a mock draft where he was numbered a first or early second round draft pick. Can you also tell me ONE single problem/disagreement you currently have with the front office and the coaches. Not a disagreement in the past. I mean a decision they have made since Rex came aboard that you disagree with? You’re almost like their PR guy or something. Do you work for the Jets?
-
#
Randy, on April 23rd, 2010 at 9:44 pm Said:IDC where Wootton plays…He is a STEAL lol
He is rated 7.9 which is one of the best remaining Defensive Lineman remaining.He could play DE or Outside Linebacker in the NFL 3-4 scheme
He could play DE not OLB, he CANNOT play there
-
NFL.COM SCOUT REPORT
Corey Wootton
Corey is an outstanding combination of size and strength for the position. His production is down from previous seasons and much of that can be attributed to a knee injury sustained in the Alamo Bowl at the end of last season. He is a decent athlete but not an explosive player off the edge. His lateral agility and change of direction hinders his playmaking ability in space. Corey does defend the run well and can anchor effectively to hold the point. He utilizes quick hands and long arms to control blockers but needs to expand his pass rush package to be effective at the next level. Wootton’s measurables, instincts and toughness makes him an interesting prospect for most defensive fronts. He wasn’t nearly as effective as previous seasons and knee concerns will be closely scrutinized going into the 2010 Draft.
-
eddie i loved it bro!
-
For a 4th round pick, with his ability, it would be a good pick in my opinion.If you seen this guy play like I did, you would want him on the Jets too.Especially when he is concidered a 2nd round pick and we need someone to play DE.Id imagine Gholston would get a shot, but Adding depth with the likes of Wootton would be a great pick.
-
Goblin
Yea but some of those mock drafts had Griffen, Dunlap in rd 1 as well…you dont know how the teams board
Ducasse was talked about a lot cause of his potential
My only objection is if this means the end for Faneca…otherwise its a smart pick
But Ducasse caught a lot of NFL teams eyes
-
I know I’m upset … But we had a good draft so far .. Chill out War Machine , did you wanna trade up for Suh or something .. You starting to sound like RJF .. ” the sky is falling ” …
-
our draft this year has been Wilson (1), Ducasse (2), Braylon Edwards (3), Cromartie (3 next year), 4th, Holmes (5), 6th, 7th, LT (UDFA), and JT (UDFA). everybody calm the hell down. good move if we keep faneca, devastating if not.
-
reality jet fan
My wife friends gave me this Xanax thing cause I freaked out so f@ckin hard
-
Wilson is basically a starter ..
-
Goblin i think you’re over reacting. Tell me exactly what do mock drafts mean? Nothing. Most every mock draft i saw had Taylor Mays going in the first round. Jerry Hughes would hardly fit in the Jets system. He’s undersized, he’s not that good of a tackler, and the tackles he makes are rarely what you would call “laying the lumber”. This is why i hate mock drafts. People see them and then misinterpret a players actual ability and how it will translate in the NFL. With the exception of Vernon Gholston the Jets draft squad has been very successful… and Gholston can’t even be considered a bust yet! You all expected the world from him because he was drafted 6th and all but no one really takes into account the fact that he’s a natural de in a 4-3 defensive scheme rather than a 3-4 OLB. It’s understandable that the 1 pick that doesnt pan out for the Jets (yet) is one that needs time to adjust to a different system in defense.
Don’t base your reaction of players on where they were projected on people’s mock drafts. That is just dumb. The first pick was great, the 2nd was good. BOTH were steals. Wilson can step in immediately, Vlad can not. Will both develop? Hopefully. Will Faneca be let go now? Hopefully not but by this time next year i believe he will not be a part of the Jets organization.
-
Randy
Again…Ive seen Corey Wooton play
He is a solid 3-4 DE with long arms who can set the edge…
but he is NOT a pass rusher…
and now that we have CB and OL depth, get someone who can get after the QB because Jason Taylor is not our long term solution…I dont care what Rex says about him
-
Hey War,
i lived in N.J for 40 yrs. Moved to Arizona. Been out here for 6yrs. I went to the Fiesta Bowl this year and I can honestly tell you, Wilson is a player. His speed is unbeleivable.
-
Green Goblin-
04/16/2010 – Five mock-busters who could make the 1st Round: OT Vladimir Ducasse, Massachusetts: I expect there to be a run on offensive linemen in the first round similar to the one seen in 2007 — when a league record eight offensive tackles were taken. If this were to occur, Ducasse, projected by most teams to go anywhere from 35-55, could sneak in late, just as Duane Brown did with the Houston Texans in 2008. – Rob Rang, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1251194
There are others.
-
I guess sanchez will be running for dear life once again to the colts curtesy of JERRY HUGHES. And Manning will have all day to pass once again. I LOVE IT!!! GO JETS
-
rusty sanchez says:
anyone who was on the live chat knows how i feel about this pick…he looked pretty good at lt in the senior bowl…i hope im wrong about him and he steps in and helps out on this line for the foreseeable future ill be the first to admit i was wrong
-
Was that you E.Weeks .. Very scary lol ..
-
Ducasse has tons of ability and great size…
I wanted Sapp or Griffen but both of them are obviously free falling…
Ducasse with a year to learn the NFL game will help us down the line…he just needs a little time and coaching before he can really step in and help the club
-
Will says:
Give some love to the big felles, love the pick. O-line are the heart and soul of the Offense. This guy looks like a monster.
-
AKA Jack, but none of them picked him to go in the first round of their own mock draft!!!! I said show me ONE SINGLE mock draft where Vlad was predicted to be selected in the first round (not potential or rating or other bs). Even the early second round!! There aren’t any so don’t bother looking for one. Save yourself the trouble..
-
tomg says:
wow, the patriots just traded there 89th pick to carolina for carolina’s 2nd pick in next years draft. that means the pats have two first and two 2nd’s in next years draft. That’s why the patriots are good, they know how to work a draft board. i wish MT would learn some of that stuff.
-
I love the pick, but I’d be wary about shipping Faneca just yet. Nothing wrong with keeping together the best run blocking line in football and have AF teach Vlad for a year.
-
Goblin
Yea but some of the mock drafts had Griffen going and Dunlap in the 1st rd…
you cant go by what these hacks write all the time
-
tomg -
Yeah, what a terrible drafting career Tannenbaum has had. Are you serious with this? Tanny’s draft record blows Belichick’s away recently.
-
Eddie DiGio, I agree with you that if Faneca stays then this is a great move. If they think Slauson or Hunter can fill in until Vlad is ready then they are nuts and prepare for Bender 2…
-
lets hope faneca aint a bitter old man and teaches this kid something
-
Goblin
totally 100% agreed
-
if they use hunter for faneca who will be our eligible receiver???
-
That was an awful line when they got rid of Mawae and Kendall.
Thing is both Mawae and Kendall were still VERY productive. Faneca is getting worse, far worse.
Different players here. I wouldn’t mind Faneca’s departure as much as i minded Kendall’s just because of the production each player had in teh season before they were let go. Not to say that i want Faneca gone, i think he has 1 more stint left in him.
-
joe B. yes, but the key word you used is recently.
-
Joe B is right…Jets have KILLED the Pats in the draft past 5 years
-
Green goblinim lovin you posts. This pick i think has potential just seemed very early to take him.
-
Eddie what the hell has happened to griffin?
-
david harris, what else does anyone have to go on? Isn’t that why we have mock drafts (they are based on scouting reports, etc.)? How do you know that the first pick was great and the second pick was good? Do you own a crystal ball or can you see into the future? LOL.
-
We dont win any playoff games without Alan Faneca…
lets not lie to ourselves here…
This team is the best team overall with Faneca at LG this season…next year is a different story
Let Vlad learn the offense, then step in after working under the best o line and o line coach in the NFL
-
This just in the pats have every pick in the 4th round. Holy sh#t do they have picks.
-
Joe b.
I didn’t say MT is a terrible drafter, yes MT has been good recently but there was and is a reason why the patriots had a dynasty going for a while and it appears they are trying to build one more before Brady gets to old. -
tomg -
Tannenbaum’s only been the GM for “recently.” What more could he possibly have done so far in his drafting career? He’s better than Belichick. He might not stockpile picks like Belichick, but he certainly picks better players. You’re grasping at straws.
-
By the way i think the pats have 2 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounders next year
-
Green Goblin-
So let me see if I got this right. You admit that, as I have shown you, he was predicted as a fast riser and possible to be a first round pick but you think you have some ah ha! moment unless I find you a mock draft that states emphatically he will be a first round pick?
I think I’ll pass on that googling.
He was a fast riser as was predicted by draft analysts across the spectrum. The Jets got him for a late 2nd round pick without giving up a thing. He was yet another value pickup this offseason as was Wilson, LT, Cromartie and Taylor and I am very happy with the selection.
-
I dont know why bellichek is ever brought up. We are not in his league He is a 1st ballad HOF and may go down as the best coach ever.
-
goblin,
umm
The footage of the player if you don’t watch them live… if you do watch them live then the footage anyway to go back and actually di-sect each play? The strength of play in the conference? How a player peforms in the combine and at their pro-day if they have one?
by the way Eddie, both sapp and griffen still available. maybe you shouldn’t have blown the fuse so early. even though… i think you’ll blow the fuse tomorrow when you find out the Jets don’t draft either of those players.
-
Kevin says:
Two things NFL Network reported after this pick:
1 – Jets players and coaches considered Faneca a “liability” as a pass protector.
2 – Bill Calahan called Trent Hunter “the best athlete he has ever coached.”
That said:
- Faneca, cut for sure now?
- Hunter start with this guy filling in at Guard and Tackle or other way around?I like the pick it adds a ton of flexibility to the OL!
-
Eddie i slept on it and thought about the wilson pick and i really like it. I just thought about peyton kiln us by throwing to any colt not on the ISLAND.
-
Here is an article that states Jets could draft Wootton
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5129692
If Rex Ryan wants a five-technique end for his 3-4 scheme, a candidate is Northwestern’s Corey Wootton (6-6, 270). Like Wilson, he’s a Jersey kid, born in Rutherford and a former standout at Don Bosco Prep. Wootton displayed first-round talent in 2008, but he suffered a knee injury late that season and wasn’t himself in 2009. He could be a steal late in the second round if he can recapture his 2008 form. -
joe b.
I’m grasping at straws? Really, Bellechick has three super bowls and how many do the jets have. Don’t get me wrong, I’ m 40+ year jet fan but can we be a little objective. -
i TOLD YOU MAN FANECA A GONER!
-
Sounds like a match made in heaven if we can draft this kid.I also like the fact he is a jersey kid and to me he is the perfect candidate for Ryan
-
wootton sapp griffen and hardy is still on the board it’s safe to say 1 of these guys will be a jet tomorrow.
-
HOZ the Jet,
Yea, your right, sorry, screw the pats. -
tomg -
Now you’re changing the subject. You used the Pats’ trade as an example of why Belichick is a better drafter than Tannenbaum, and he just isn’t. The last time the Pats won the SB, Tannenbaum wasn’t the GM, so during Tanny’s reign, the score is 0-0.
-
Hate to say it but while Mike T is a great drafter Bill B is superior.
Bellechick found Brady and Cassel in late rounds. Turned both of them into highly successful qbs while they played in ne. i havent followed ne drafts but theres something to be said about someone who’s able to draft 2 qb’s in 2 seperate drafts (in the 7th round each i believe) and turn one of them into an mvp and have the other one come in and get the pats to 11-5. Not to mention look how Belly’s stacking up. This is robbery.
However, Mike T is far better at executing his trades when he wants someone. Theres no one better to have than Mike T in that regard. When he has a draftee target he gets it done, no 2 if and or buts about it.
-
Joe B. I hear ya, hopefully that cheater won’t win another one as long as i live.
-
so did sapp or wooten get picked? i am at dinner right now. if they didnt i want all of the haters of the ducasse pick to finally calm down
-
RJF
You do know Bill Bellichek is a CHEATER … No HOF for CHEATERS .. Sorry ..
-
i dont think the jets go with a de/dt in the 4th tomorrow either. there will be some angry fans. i think they’ll go safety. reshad jones here we come.
-
Look i hate the man but give him his due man he is a brilliant coach . Making fun of him is fun but come on.
-
by the way david harris
I already said I shouldnt have done that…so thanks for playing
-
E.Weeks
I think it’s time for a AD/Sharper post .. See where I’m goin with this ..
-
AKA DREW
SAPP WOOTEN GRIFFEN & HARDY ARE ALL ON THE BOARD FOR TOMORROW BUT WE PICK AT 124
-
David Harris, Thanks, that is all I was trying to say. I was being objective. I hate the guy but it is what it is.
-
Eddie you are allowed to blow a fuse.Griffin must be a moron or something eddie because he is dropping
-
david harris -
There’s no debate when it comes to the success of their draftees since Tanny became GM. Tanny blows Belichick away. Brady was a great pick, but that was 10 years ago and is unfair to hold against Tanny, who has drafted Revis, Harris, Mangold, Brick, Leon, Keller, Greene and Sanchez. Belichick’s picks the last five drafts pale in comparison.
Getting back to the topic at hand, I wouldn’t go so fast as to say the Ducasse pick spells the immediate end for Faneca. Or at least I hope it doesn’t. Everything I’ve read about Ducasse says that he’s a project and is absolutely not ready to be a starter in the NFL, so it would be foolhardy to push Faneca out the door just yet. Hopefully in a year, he will be expendable, but cutting him right now would be playing with fire, IMO.
-
rjf
Belichick wasnt Belichick without Bruschi, Harrisson, McGinest, Vrabel, Troy Brown, Corey Dillon or all those guys…
He gets a lot of credit for a lot of work Peoli helped him do… the guy is a great coach but he is world class douche who owes his entire career to Parcells and acts like he is above even acknowledging him
-
Eddie my man give me some names tomorow
-
Agree eddie just like i hope rex owes his career to sanchez ,revis ,harris,and shon greene one day. and i hope rex gets all the credit for mike t. After 3 superbowls.
-
rjf
Ive stayed up nights defending this team and the one time I dont like something I have to hear some of these people tell me what I should or shouldnt be doing…
I said why I would or wouldnt like it…
Faneca here one more year…good job
Faneca gone for Ducasse…assinineBtw David Harris…the Jets brought Ricky Sapp in for a workout…he is still on their board so maybe I wont blow a fuse…tommorows the 4th rd…little different then today
-
it makes no sense to cut Faneca especially when there is nobody to step in and take his place at the present and no cap this year. I can see them cutting him next year to save money because there will be a cap next year.
-
Joe B. Dont get me wrong im not saying Tanny is bad. He’s great, he’s been great, his draft picks have almost all worked out greatly. I’m just saying look at the 2 qb’s he produced and where he picked them.
Both Bellichick and Tanny have different talents in the draft. Bellechick stock piles and picks the gems he thinks will pan out. Usually they are long stretches and the ones that work out are the ones that work out big. Tanny on the other hand doesn’t really stock pile, instead he trades picks to move up to secure players that are known gems but that some teams are passing up on. Those players are more likely to succeed than teh ones Bellechick drafts.
Both are good drafters. Bellechick however knows how to pick the rough gems, Tanny knows how to steal the best ones. Which one is better? I don’t know. Bellechick has an amazing eye but so does Tanny. I wouldnt call the difference between them great. Thing is Tanny has amazing closing abilities while Bellichick doesn’t.
-
reality jet fan
I gotta do a lot of homework on that…its gonna take some time
-
You defend this team no matter what my man. Blowing a fuse or questioning the FO does not make you any less of a jet fan.
-
By the was how come you didnt mention the umass O-lineman. lol
-
I am sorry until we win a ring there is not much we can say about BB.
-
Eddie … I agree cutting Faneca is stupid but would you trade him ? & for what ?
-
Eneough with the Bellichek(cheater)…. Please ..
-
david harris -
The defense of “look at the QBs he’s drafted” doesn’t really hold water. If quarterback is the only position we’re considering, then sure Belichick beats Tanny. But it’s not. Also, I’d be careful about lumping Cassel in with Brady. He had one pretty good year, the team missed the playoffs, and now he’s stinking it up in Kansas City.
-
Hate the iPhone .. Wish I had my blackberry .. Ughhh
-
I don’t think any of us have enough information to be all that upset with anything that has happened — depth at both lines is a necessity if we are to move forwards so calm down.
-
rjf
LMAO…oh lordy…I was heated…my main thing is that they keep the o line together one more year then groom ducasse to take over…but I still hurt from watching Chad get KILLED when they let Pete Kendall go and let Curtis Martin become almost a cripple and the rest of these people who think that Faneca is garbage and that Ducasse is better just cause the Jets picked him rd 2 are out of their minds
-
Bent says: Kevin – interesting info, but did you mean Wayne Hunter?
Jake – No, Howard Green – like Wallace Wright – was a non-tendered UFA, so him getting picked up does not allow us to get Sharper. They can only get another UFA if Dearth, Douglas, Izzo or Fowler are picked up (or alternatively wait until July 23rd and they can sign any UFA that isn’t given a tender offer by their team on June 1st).
Goblin – I agree with you that if Hunter or Slauson has to start at left guard it could get ugly. However, if Rob Turner starts there, that’s a different story!
Only kidding, of course, but I do think Turner might be the most ready to play left guard out of the three. Slauson only played about ten snaps last year (some at center, some as an extra blocker in the jumbo package) and basically never did anything other than straight ahead blocking, so I’d be stunned if he is ready. Turner is pretty one dimensional too – he participated in fewer than ten pass plays this year, as opposed to almost 70 running plays. However, he did show a decent ability to pull, which you need from your left guard. Hunter only really played at RT or as an extra TE and I would not like him full time there because he can’t handle speed rushers. Maybe he’d be better inside, but I don’t see him as starter material and they aren’t going to go with a stopgap while they could be a contender.
I guess either they think Ducasse can step right in, which seems to already be dubious based on reports or Faneca stays for one more year (which will improve the depth and the strength of the jumbo package).
However, yes, Faneca was awesome over the last few games of the season and in the playoffs. Equally, though, he was so bad earlier in the year, that even mediocre guard play might have made the difference in that string of tight losses they had either side of the bye week. The pass protection was great apart from him, so it may have stunted Sanchez’ progress a little. It’s no surprise that as Faneca’s pass blocking improved at the end of the year, Sanchez did too.
-
I’ll take your word on Sapp. I’ve never seen him play. I’ve seen Griffen, didn’t think he was too special. Wasn’t bad, wasn’t good. He’s a USC player so in theory he should be more prepared to play in the NFL than other players.
Seen Wooton, all i can say is that i think all he’s really capable of us tangling up the linemen and Rex likes that. He’s not too flashy, he’s not gonna get to the QB a lot. But in Rex’s system that is exactly what he wants out of his DE’s.
I’ve never seen Hardy so i dont know much about him.
I think Griffen at this stage in the draft can not be considered a “bust”. All he can do now is go up, the sky is the limit. That being said i don’t think he’ll be an effective NFL player. I just feel like he will be ordinary at best.
Wooton won’t be anything special in the NFL. For the Jets he may be able to benefit Rex because he’s able to occupy the linemen but i doubt they’ll take him here, they can find other guys who just take up linemen who they won’t have to waste a 4th rd pick on.
As i said i think they’ll go safety here. Either trade up for Jones or wait for him to drop to them. Jones is a Rex kind of guy, hard hitter, plays with passion, great vision on the field, it is a wonder he’s slipped this far in my opinion. He was a starter for a Georgia program which was very good a few years back. Look for Jets to take Jones, even if Griffen Wooton Hardy and Sapp are still on the board. They need more depth there.
However, if you think about it, if Jones is taken by then… Darren Sharper becoming a jet becomes far more realistic.
-
Marvel
I would have traded Faneca to move up to get Iupati but hes gone…
unless some other decent veteran guard gets released after the draft and can come in and challenge Ducasse rookie year for a job…I wouldnt trade him
Ducasse over Faneca sets the team back as a whole..but having Ducasse in the stable to learn and add depth in case of injury makes the Jets a better club
-
Eddie i am with you on faneca. Will really hurt the enthusiasm without faneca.
-
the problem with trading faneca, he is guranteed a lil over 5 mil next season who is going to pay that??? the jets mind as well keep him for 1 more season because if they release him they still have to pay him.
-
Eddie really changed my mind on the wilson pick. Take it ez bro.
-
Bent says:
Griffin is immature, apparently. That’s why he’s sliding.
Hardy might be even more immature though, although maybe that was already accounted for in his fourth round(ish) projection.
-
reality jet fan
Just watch Wilson play man…he’ll convince you himself
THe kid is legit bro…straight baller
-
Dylan says:
No chance that Faneca is back. This is what Tanny said when he was asked if Faneca would be a Jet at the start of the season:
“Alan’s on our team. He’s done a lot of great things for us,” Tannenbaum said. “All those other questions are hypotheticals. All I can tell you is where we are now.… I know there’s a lot of speculation, but that’s typically what happens over a weekend like that.”
As you can see, he didn’t give ANY indication that he would be back. This is what Joey Clinkscale said when asked if Ducasse could be a starter in year one:
“I think he has the work ethic,” Clinkscales said. “I think he’s tough enough. I think he’ll do everything in his power to be as good as he can be. Now whether that translates into a starter in Year One, we’ll see.… He’ll compete with (Matt) Slauson and (Rob) Turner and those guys, and the best player will win. But we drafted him because his ability will allow him to compete as a starter.”
Why would he be competing with Turner and Slauson for a starting job if the Jets were planning on keeping Faneca?
-
Developing Ducasse is the way to go…give the kid some time with our great coaches and by time Faneca is ready to leave Ducasse can step right in and maximize his potential
-
Broadway12 says:
I like the pick the O line is the one unit we should always maintain on Offense
-
Yeah — getting my Islanders and Jets crossed (oops).
Callahan is widely regarded as THE BEST at what he does and if he puts Hunter as the best athlete he has ever coached, I gotta put some stock in that.
Sapp is underwhelming, our defensive system is going to be plug ‘em in and blitz with the front 7 (hence all the corners). They must be able to stop the run because our second level and over the top are the weak points of that scheme.
I would like a DT/DE hybrid and maybe a FB/HB hybrid on day three – what are ya’ll thoughts?
-
Well none of those guys are as good as Faneca…
and as bad as he was in pass pro first half none of those guys are as good as him even then…
Better get used to all kinds of problems and penalties from Ducasse this year trying to win a Super Bowl
-
mkj13 says:
I think when it comes 2 safety its btw reshad jones and anthony levine. If its a d lineman its btw girffin sapp hardy wooten or austen lane
-
Eddie DiGio,
I think you are overrating Faneca. He was AWFUL in pass protection last year. He was ranked as the 67th guard on profootballfocus.com. He was ranked 76th in pass protection and 36th in run blocking. He gave up more sacks than ANY guard in football. Plus he is only going to get worse with age. We are going to be throwing the ball a lot more this year. We can’t have our LG giving up SIX sacks in a season. Thats a ridiculous number for an interior lineman. Its a joke that Faneca makes the Pro Bowl every year. I don’t think Ducasse is as big a downgrade as you think. He is a very good run blocker, and is much bigger than Faneca. He also has the ability to play RT and LG.
-
JetsFan4Life says:
Dylan – really hope your reasonable intuit from Capt Clink is off…would be penny wise pound foolish to save 2.5M (think AF is guar 5 of 7.5) vs getting the best he’s got left this year, letting him enjoy a JBettis type of exit, while training the future O linemen!
-
mike s. says:
Big Boys Up Front
I love the OT pick-up in the late 2nd. This kid will need time to develop, but should be a solid RT and has potential to be a back-up LT just in case D’Brick ever misses a few games.
I’m curious what Bill Callahan’s plans are for Slauson and Hunter. Has anyone heard anything?Adalius in Green ???
Given NE’s pick of Cunningham, it looks likely that Adalius Thomas is done in NE and will be free to sign with NY.
Adalius should provide a physical complement to Taylor’s speed rush set and give Rex the ability to mix up the position to match the opposing offense.Day 2 Crazy Pick
Minnesota drafted RB Gerhart #51… this kid is big and strong, but I don’t think his skills translate to the NFL level. This guy does not look like a Brandon Jacobs type of back. This pick is tough to understand when far more talented RBs like Tate (Houston) and Hardesty (Cleveland) were still on the board. Even tougher when the monster back, Blount is still there for day 3 of the draft.
Minnesota will have a shot at the super bowl if Favre comes back, but in 3 years when we look back at the RBs this pick will look VERY BAD. -
Dylan
We all know he sucked during the first half of the season…but we did lead the league in rushing with him at left guard
As bad as he was, he was DOMINANT during the stretch and into the playoffs, and we dont win a playoff game without him…
PFF is nice, but their ratings mean nothing to me…I think the Jets FO has done some great things, but messing with the chemistry of that o line is a mistake…
You can say it until the cows come home, until I see Ducasse put together a full season Im not impressed…at least I know what I got in ALan Faneca
-
And Sanchez better be LIGHTS OUT if you are going to let him start chucking the ball all over the field…
You can throw any sort of rating system you want at me, its not changing my mind about this until I see them in live action
-
I’m getting pretty sick of this belichick talk.
The guy was on his way out of NE until Bledsoe got hurt (by us – thanks Mo!) and Brady came in. By the way, whoever wrote ” Brady was a great pick” above, that is absolute BS!! Brady was a lucky pick who turned into a great QB. You pick a qb at 199, you are rolling the dice. It could be brooks bollinger (it usually is), once in a great while you get dumb-a$$ lucky and it’s brady. Kurt Warner was a FA who wasn’t expected to play til Trent Green gut hurt. Was that a smart, great pickup? No, it was a lucky move that turned into a great QB. If belicheck was such a genius he would’ve drafted toomyboy in the 1st or 2nd round. I know that BB is a great coach who won 3 SBs (cheat much? Thanks, Rog, for burning those tapes) but don’t give him credit for knowing Brady was great at pick 199.
BB has had some crappy drafts lately. He’s a great defensive mind and a very smart douchbag who has been very lucky and also made some of his own luck. -
JetsFan4Life,
They could keep him, but I don’t see it happening. They Jets obviously don’t like him as a starter. When Rex was asked about BT, Faneca, and Ellis, all he would say was that Bryan Thomas wasn’t going to be released. He wouldn’t rule out trading/releasing Faneca or Ellis and so far Tanny hasn’t ruled it out either. Hopefully the Jets can at least get a late round pick for him.
-
Bent says:
Dylan – All true, but look at the breakdown of his numbers. He was great, not good: great over the last few games…even in pass protection!
However, for him to finish that low despite his strong finish (note: I don’t think PFF rankings include playoff games) underlines how poor he was earlier in the year.
FWIW – Lombardi has (privately) said that the Jets aren’t bothered about the $5m guaranteed and will still cut him to save the $7m+ if they can’t find a trade partner. Another team needing an impact lineman might be tempted to take a flyer on him, especially if they saw him in the postseason. His salary might be high, but it’s an uncapped year, so somebody might consider bringing him aboard and then looking to restructure his deal after the season.
-
BigBear says:
For those who think that Vlad was a real reach, in Kiper’s second round mock this morning, he correctly projected Vlad Ducasse to the Jets at 61. For what it’s worth, I believe McShay had the Jets taking OG John Jerry from Ole Miss at 61. I remember being a little down when first hearing about this (not as sexy as a pass rusher) – but makes sense as the draft – for a good team – is best when filling a hole a year or two out vs an immediate fix. Still some good front 7 guys on the board….
link:http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=5126428
-
I am worried about us cutting faneca. I know his play was down last year but do we have the depth to do that? Seems very risky and it is an uncapped year. I’d rather keep him and platoon him if his playing drops more.
-
Eddie DiGio,
We both haven’t seen Ducasse play yet, but Rex and Tanny know a lot more about the guy than we do. If the Jets feel that Ducasse is good enough to start at LG than I think we have to trust that they are making the right decision. The Jets have made a ton of moves to compete for a Super Bowl this year. Do you really think they would start Ducasse if they thought it would hurt their chances of winning? Half of the Jets roster are free agents after this season. I’m pretty sure that the Jets are going to do everything possible to win a Super Bowl this year.
-
Tanny and Co have made some smart trades and done some brilliant things to take the Jets from obscurity and non relevance to a team on cusp of being a legit contender…
but messing with the line this season is a mistake, and until proven otherwise, nothing will change my mind
-
Tanny f@cked the Pete Kendall situation as well…it ended Curtis Martin’s career, got Pennington hurt and Kellen Clemens “David Carr-ified”….this has happened before…
-
I don’t think either Tanny or Rex would risk starting a rookie on the O-line when they think they have a shot at the big dance. This new kid likely will be developed for a year, unless an injury at either OT position forces him into action early.
If Faneca is going to be let go, they must trust that Slauson, Hunter, or a future vet cut will be available to the team. -
Bent,
Those are fair points, but I don’t think the Jets would cut him if they had faith in his abilites this season. Faneca is getting old and he is pretty small for a LG at 305. Which Faneca is the real Faneca? The guy who was TERRIBLE for the 1st half of the season or the guy who was great in the playoffs? Its impossible for us to know that. I think its safe to say that he is on the decline and is getting steadily worse with age. The Jets normally cut ties at the right time. If they think that cutting Faneca is the best move for the organization, than I have no problem with it.
-
The Giants did the same thing with Jimmy McNally…put together that O line from the 2000 Super Bowl…slowly they thought he could just plug in guys whereever and make it work…Giants wound up having to sign Chris Snee, Kareem McCenzie and Shaun O Hara to get it right 6 years later
-
Eddie DiGio,
The Jets O-line did not get Pennington hurt. Pennington not being able to take an NFL hit was what got Pennington hurt. The guy hasn’t ever been able to stay on the field. It has nothing to do with the Jets O-line.
As far as the Faneca situation goes, this debate is pretty pointless. Both of our opinions are set in stone.
-
clearly on the decline???
He played better LATER in the season…maybe the guy just had a down year or maybe Sanchez inexperience had something to do with some of those sacks he gave up…
For a team that loves to run the football, and with a 2nd year QB, who has all the talent in the world may I add, but 12-20 int-td ratio, maybe keeping the grizzly old veteran and seeing if he can lay someone out for one more season is the way to go?
They led the league in rushing, Sanchez got sacked in the bottom 10 in the league, how WEAK was our o line???
Its too much tinkering, and I think they will pay for it
-
Dylan – isn’t cost $5M irrespective of whether we cut him now or in October if he sucks (+ cost of 4 games or another 500k)? Why wouldn’t we absorb the $2.5 like Eddie D says for the security of going past 32 games of O line continuity?
-
Dylan
BULLS#IT…He got killed that year
How many QBs they go through that season…remember Brooks Bollinger
The GM and FO have done some great things, but you are kidding yourself if you think that there is nothing to be concerned about if this happens…
-
cold_old_steelers_fan says:
If I repeat what others have said will apologize now.
I think Ducasse is an interesting pick with a lot of potential. The kid is obviously going to be greener than the uniform he will be wearing but since he will be sitting behind a lot of very good o-lineman, he will have an opportunity to see how things are supposed to be done.
I don’t know if any other team could have afforded to take him here but I don’t think he would have made it back to you in the third.
-
Jets Fan 4 life
Cause its all roses and rainbows now…they are invincible, full proof…
You lead the league in rushing, you cut your proven grizzled veteran future HOF LG for some sweet @ss rookie who aint even killed a daisy yet…
-
I forgot, iirc, you have traded your 3rd so he definitely would not have been around.
-
Wolf says:
We need Faneca. Jets will cut and resign him before start of season.
-
Eddie you’re giving Faneca credit where credit is not due.
It’s clear isnt it? The Jets are going to be passing a lot more this season. Faneca was 76th on the pass apparently out of all of those guards in that position. 76th. Take into account the limited amount of times the Jets actually threw last season and imagine they double it as i expect them to this season. Faneca will only become more of a liability.
Should he be let go? Not in the offseason at least. If he is playing terrible during hte season then they should cut him but now i dont think it will make sense. The only thing i can think of is that the Jets will use the money that Faneca would make and use it to sign Sharper when the time comes.
But your pleas will go unheard here. Some of your points are valid some of them you are stretching. Letting Faneca go seems like a mistake but then again none of us know. All signs point to Faneca’s play diminishing in quality. Would it be wise to keep him around for one more year just to prime the rookie up better? Yes. Or maybe it would be better to give him first hand experience right off the bat. The only problem with letting Faneca go is that it MIGHT disrupt the entire o-line. For the 2 years they’ve been together they’ve been very cohesive, last year it seemed to take them a long while (i wont put it all on faneca but when faneca was playing poorly the line was not as good as it was when he did start playing better.)
In my opinion Faneca needs to go to management and give them a reason to keep him around. Right now there is little reason why they should keep him and not give that money to Sharper. They have 4 linemen that can all compete for his spot. He needs to go to the coaches and convince them his work ethic will increase and he will play consistently well throughout the season.
-
Give Leon The Damn Ball says:
bellichick and the pats are such overrated drafters. they trade down or trade for future picks year after year and have only come away with a few decent players. tanny and the jets have been far superior drafting than the pats since 2006. it’s not even close.
-
Eddie DiGio,
Look I never even said that I thought the Jets SHOULD cut him. All I said is that I think the Jets WILL cut him and that if they do, I trust their judgement. I do think you are overrating Faneca, but thats fine if you like him more than I do. I meant that he is on the decline overall as a player. He isn’t as good now as he was 2 or 3 years ago. I don’t mean that he is getting worse minute by minute.
-
Dylan,
that o-line was horrid. they were directly responsible for clemens and pennington’s injuries. that being said i agree with what you have to say about faneca’s declining play. it will only get worse from here on out with him aging. he might have 1 more year left in the tank of solid play but then it will just go downhill… if it hasnt already started.
-
Give Leon The Damn Ball,
I know its ridiculous! Whats so great about trading back EVERY SINGLE ROUND and ending up with 15 or 20 6th and 7th round picks? If Oakland did the exact same thing, people would be killing the moves. But since Belichick can do no wrong, the moves are GENIUS!!!
-
Alright the line was TERRIBLE, but can we really say that Pennington would have stayed healthy? The guy is fragile as hell. Players dont normally win mulitple comeback player of the year awards lol.
-
david harris
Are you KIDDING ME???
Faneca’s play down the stretch and in the playoffs was one of the MAIN reasons they succeeded late in the year
and those numbers you are eluding to are a result of a website that is not the LAW of grading a players performance…its an informed opinion…same as you or I or anyone here…they have their own system of grading things and it was because he gave up sacks, which regardless of where or when or how they effect the outcome of the game, downgrade a player drastically…
and what the f@ck is this “But your pleas will go unheard here.”…you basically agreed with everything I said…and the part that you didnt you basically argued that Ducasse should be given a spot to “see how he does” which could hurt the greater good of team…
They should keep Faneca one more season, and if this kid Ducasse is as good as all you guys say he is, you cut Faneca right then and there and plug ol Vlad right in the starting lineup…
Sanchez should throw more this season, but expecting him to start being Peyton or Brady out there this early is unfair to him and the rest of the team…they have to treat him like the Giants treated Eli when they went on the Super Bowl run… controlled aggression
-
Johnny Jet says:
In my opinion Faneca needs to go to management and give them a reason to keep him around. Right now there is little reason why they should keep him and not give that money to Sharper. They have 4 linemen that can all compete for his spot. He needs to go to the coaches and convince them his work ethic will increase and he will play consistently well throughout the season.
Glad you aren’t working for the jets… You loss all credibility when you said faneca needs to increase his work ethic.
-
Im one of the biggest kool-aid drinking guys on this site but when something stinks, I speak up…
and letting go of Faneca and putting this wide eyed rookie in on the strongest unit on our team is a STUPID…
good night
-
On a brighter note before I leave :
4th rd tommorow…
JCo, Brad Smith and Leon…its been good to us in the past =-)
-
Shamik says:
Manish Mehta reports that Faneca just got cut!
-
Johnny Jet
They cant give THAT money to Sharper…Faneca is not a UFA…hes a cut player
They have the same money for Sharper that they would have if Faneca were here or not…
-
i think you have a bit of a love fest for faneca. it’s understandable, for the players i like i tend to defend them like that as well. look at the facts. he’s aging, his play until the latter half of the season was bad to put it generously. he’s also the highest paid of all the o-linemen i believe. not to mention the bad part to his game is pass protection. if the jets had their mind on more or less the same offense they ran with last year (which was the run and pound) then you wouldnt see faneca being shopped around this season, because he was effective on the run. but the jets are moving away from that, and that the players and coaches openly stated that htey believed he was the liability goes to show that not only we noticed his play is declining.
the 76th on that site stat i gave u was only to prove a point. i’ve never visited that site, i just took it off a poster who had said it before me. what i was getting at was trying to show u that if he in fact is that low in the rankings on pass coverage when the jets were afraid to throw it during hte game on more htan like 30-40% of the plays then think how bad he will be on pass coverage if the jets started to throw it let’s say 50-60% of their plays next season. not only that but his salary could go to another player if the jets feel they have enough suitable replacements for Faneca.
What i’m agreeing with you is not that Faneca was the reason the Jets were so successful at the end of the season. I’m saying they should keep Faneca just so that they arent rushing the rookie into anything he can’t handle and also because none of us know how good this rookie will translate into the nfl, nor if any of the 3 current backups the jets have would be suitable replacements for Faneca.
Would i feel uneasy having a rookie who is that raw taking Faneca’s spot? Absolutely! But the facts speak for themselves and it points to Faneca not being a jet by the begining of the season.
-
Like i’ve been saying…. it was going to happen whether you guys like it or not.
-
ManishMehta1 BREAKING: I’m reporting that the #Jets cut Alan Faneca. More on nj.com in a bit.
-
So it begins…well I’ve said what I had to say…better be ready to play Vladimir…cause if we dont lead the league in rushing this season you’ll be public enemy number 1
-
Callahan better be one hell of a coach!
-
Organized Chaos says:
YIKES – Dylan.
As for the Vlad pick – Tanny played his cards correctly. The pass rushers are still around. -
Thats great…its a dumb @ss move
-
Organized Chaos,
Yeah I agree. Tanny deserves a lot of credit for being patient.
-
bozzie says:
If the rumors are true that the Jets are trying to trade Faneca, doesn’t he have a no trade clause in his contract?
-
Mike says:
The Jets have reportedly released LG Alan Faneca.
Source: Manish Mehta on Twitter -
bozzie
Hes gone…they got nothing for him and now we have a rookie who grew in Haiti and played at a 1-AA school starting on what was the best offensive line in football on a team that wants to go to the Super Bowl with a talented but still learning 2nd year QB…
and Im being handed a warm glass of “shut the F@ck up and be happy”…
all we can do as Jets fans is just bend over, grab our ankles and smile
-
Mike Lombardi was dead on……not a great feeling right now. The Ducasse pick really works if Faneca stays…not for him to be a starter in 2010
-
AKA……Drew,
It’s the opposite. Ugly would have been dragging this thing on and making the player seem like the bad guy (see: Kendall, Pete).
I got to say I was sick of Faneca’s inability to protect Sanchez towards the end of the season.
I just think it shows that there was probably NO MARKET for Faneca for trades. I mean, at least try to use him to move in the fourth….. -
Wow, with Thomas Jones and Alan Feneca now gone, that is a lot of leadership to replace in the locker room!
-
WW85 says:
Pats & Ravens are having great drafts
Ravens: Kindle, Cody, Dickson with 4 picks left.
Pats: Mccourty, Big TE, 2 star Florida LBs, Taylor Price & 8 PICKS LEFT
These 2 teams are drafting immediate impact players, strengthening their playoff teams long term. The Pats D is instantly better.
I think the Jets draft is OK. I was hoping to get Cody or trade up for him, but I understand the 2 picks. If we add Cromartie & Holmes to the mix, you could argue we had the best day as well. But the road to the Supe will go through Baltimore I think.
-
There is no market for Faneca with a 7+ million dollar tag attached but now that hes a FA
Faneca will have a job pretty quickly…
-
Drew
Agreed…Im sure some other GM isnt concerned about what his ranking was in Pro football focus.com
-
AKA Drew
Agreed again…If Faneca is still a Jet…Im pumped thinking about Ducasse stepping in in a year or two when Faneca has really fallen off…now its just a big question mark on what I always loved bragging to my brothers and friends about…Jets O Line > Giants O line
Sad man…sad
-
Cutting Faneca SUCKSSSS
-
This is the first move of the offseason that I strongly disapprove of. Completely unnecessary, has very little upside and a huge downside. Faneca may not have been a deserving Pro Bowler, but you don’t sub out the most experienced guy on the best, most cohesive, run blocking line in the NFL for a rookie project. Terrible, terrible.
-
This Mike Lombardi has to have a mole in the Jets organization…He has called a couple in a row that seemed insane…
I was hoping he was wrong on this one though… I am trying to see the bright side of this but I am getting nothing….even an average Faneca is still pretty good
Good night gentlemen
-
move Ducasse to RT and D Wood inside to LG maybe???
-
Rocky says:
Look Faneca is a H.O.F. type player but at the end of the day like all good things, they must come to an end. He is still a great run blocker but his pass blocking is noticeably declining and on a team where everyone is thinking and expecting to make a DEEP run in the playoffs we can’t just overlook Faneca’s declining play at pass rush cuz of his reputation.
The difference between this and the pete kendall situation is of 2 reasons.
1. Bill Callahan and his fantastic zone blocking.
2. When we lost Kendall we put his successor (with no success) between two second year players in mangold and d’brick who were no where near as good as they are now. They are two of the best players at their position and if we were to put Vlad in between the two of them i’m confident we’d still be successful. -
Just a sad, sad thing…
Thanks Faneca for coming in and making the Jets a tough inside running bunch of bad@ss mofo’s..
I hope this candy @ss ducasse is half the man you were
-
Monster#57 says:
Newark Star is reporting that Feneca has just been released… hope we made the right choice with this rookie
-
Faneca has given up the most sacks for a OL over the past 2 years and gets a lot of penalties. If the FIns cut Justin Smiley maybe we should get him for cheap to start at LG until he gets injured (he always gets injured) and then let the Vlad play.
-
faneca pass blocking is bad but… this is sickening..pete kendall all over… in callahan we trust?
-
Ray Lucas…”not Alan Faneca…not Alan Faneca”
Im SICK right now…Just SICK
Tanny giveth and Tanny taketh away
-
jleonhard says:
shaun ellis is next
-
I would love someone to explain cutting Faneca. We don’t have a good replacement. we are cutting him because he cant pass protect well anymore vs who? Is this all cap related.
Sorry, but I am dumbfounded on this one. Guy is the leader of the team.
-
to AT LEAST make some of us see a bright side they couldnt of got ANYTHING for him… god this is sickening
-
Feneca had a no trade claus in his contract that he had to waive for us to get anything for him.
-
#
jleonhard, on April 24th, 2010 at 12:22 am Said:shaun ellis is next
Which would be a double kick in the balls…
Faneca was one of them, and Ellis is definitely a leader on the team…and our best 3-4 DE
-
These guys are playing with fire here. This team is built literally to win NOW. If they don’t win the SB next year (a tall task with a 2nd year QB) its gotten a lot harder with a bunch of 1-yr mercenaries fighting for their next contracts and vets looking over their backs. Everyone’s going to be fighting for themselves instead of coming together as a team. I know Rexy’s a hell of a coach and motivator, but team chemistry’s got be be a concern on this team!
-
I’m going to ask all of you who are heart sick right now, did the Jets draft a guard out of Nebraska named Clauson, a kid Callahan coached, a guy who many of you told me endlessly was the real architect of the Jets offense last year, or didn’t they? How the hell did all of you have endless confidence in Callahan last year and now think he is a bum?
Or is this some sort of conspiracy I’m not understanding?
-
Hey Im one of the biggest kool aid rah rah Jets guys on this site…anyone who reads my posts knows this
But I see NOTHING good coming out of this
-
AKA Jack
Slauson was a 6th RD PICK…a depth guy…spot starter who after a few years maybe able to start…
Callahan is great because he gelled that line with those vets and youngin’s like Brick and Mangold…
When something stinks man, it just stinks…
Faneca was and is better than anyone else we have right now…and the Jets dumped him now to get him off the books in case of a lockout next season…its a cheapskate move
-
AKA, Just explain the Faneca move. I thought his salary was mostly dead money which can’t be recouped? So who is going to play guard now? This is exactly how we entered the post Kendall misery until Faneca solidified the team physically & as a leader.
I am truly clueless on this.
-
iJets says:
SNY SAYS REPORTS OF FANECA HAS BEING CUT ????
-
AKA Jack
Also…hes going to have to be a miracle worker now…but we lost a leader…a tough grizzled road grading SOB who I was proud to point to when other fans said “who is the leaders”…now hes gone and our best option is a raw, albeit talented, rookie who is a year or two away from starting on a high level
-
J-Kay says:
Slauson and Ducasse will compete to start at LG. Ducasse will win the job and immediately be better in pass protection than Faneca and not too much of a drop off in run blocking
-
Damn, i didnt think it would be this soon.
This was stupid but expected.
Faneca you will be missed after 2 years of service. If Ellis is released now then Eddie you may have something here with the Griffen pick. If Ellis is not released, and boy do i hope he is not, then on with the safety plan.
Either way it seems like this money will now be going to Darren Sharper and Adalius Thomas.
-
WW85
By cutting him now in an uncapped year, ALL the money comes off the books…so Woody doesnt have to pay him the remaining 1.7 or so mill that he would get if the Jets cut after this coming season, if there was a lockout…
Its a cheapskate, scumbag move
-
david harris
The money cant go to Sharper or A Thomas…Faneca is a CUT player…not an Unrestricted Free Agent…Jets were in the same boat with or without Faneca…they dont even gain the ability to sign a UFA from this
-
its not like thomas is even AVAILABLE… god how can this team do so many good things then pull this garbage?
-
Eddie, if that’s true, it’s totally pathetic. To save 1.7mm? This is Pete Kendall all over again. A little success & we start cutting team leaders.
-
And I said this would happen as soon as they picked Ducasse…Im Sicilian and Calabrase…smiling in someones face then stabbing there hand to table while someone chokes them with a piano wire is in my blood…I smelt this coming a mile away
-
Lush Greenery says:
You can’t stand at the table. Push all your chips to the center and say you’re all in. And then break up 2 pair to draw to an inside straight. Faneca is going to play somewhere this year. With the Jets paying the majority of the freight. Most likely Miami or New England. It’s a sad day. Kudos to whomever commented previously about losing T.J. and A.F. from the locker room. It’s no small thing.
-
I just don’t understand how a line that has played two full seasons together could be better off by replacing one of its starters, even if he’d become the weak link in one aspect of his game…this is piss poor management, and the timing on it just outright sucks
way to truly disappoint your fan base, but guess you guys (Woody and Mike) really know how best to pump up NY to sell those PSLs….
-
i can justify TJ… but no matter how bad fanecas pass blocking is(which it was) this is horrible
-
GulfBreezeJet91 says:
Wouldn’t be shocked to see Wayne Hunter at LG now. The Seahawks cut him because of his off-field issues, not his talent…
-
There is still alot of talent on this team….lot of speed, lot of ohh and ahh plays, lot of stats and big names, but there was heart, blood and guts here as well…we lost a bit of that with Faneca
-
PSL says:
This f@cking sucks. No explanation at all, can justify this move. And I love the Jets and Tanny. Why on earth do this?!
-
Oh well.
Faneca was declining, but he was important in the locker room.
Ellis is also declining and equally as important, if he’s cut then that’ll be stupid as ****.
hopefully ducasse is as good as he looked in umass. he’s a big body, he has a lot of strength, but hes sure to give up at least the same amount of sacks faneca allowed this season. oh well, nothing like first hand experience… right? that’s just optimistic thinking.
-
I love those statistical websites. They’re the ones who ranked Mark Texiera like 8th in defense and Derek Jeter as the worst shortstop in all of baseball. I feel much better now…….
-
Uhmmmm maybe they just think Faneca sucks … It is what it is please don’t cry guys … A couple weeks ago Faneca was horrible now that he’s gone you miss him .. That’s natural human reaction .. It’ll pass ..
-
Lush Greenery
Good post…in the words of Bassett…”the Jets have no balls”
-
Eddie D-
Tell me again where Brandon Moore, the longest tenured Jet O line player was drafted?
I like Faneca, seems like a nice guy, good to kids and stray dogs. He blew chunks the first half the year, possibly the worst guard in the AFC. He got better in the second half but he was an ole blocker on pass downs and he was an above average only blocker on the run not some sort of pancaking machine. Go back and watch the games, forget the hype or the endless stat pages. Just meh.
WW85-
I’m sure Bent will tell us the ins and outs of the $. I’m pretty sure the Jets aren’t paying Faneca millions in dead money for no reason.
Honest to God some of you need to start mainlining downers. Alan Faneca won’t be the reason we do or don’t win this year.
-
CWPOST1993 says:
Draft Update
1st – Kyle Wislon, CB
2nd – Vlad Ducasse, OL
3rd – Antonio Cromartie, CB
4th – DE / OLB / SS
5th – Santonio Holmes, WR
6th – SS
7th – PLooks like a pretty great draft so far
-
Marvel
I NEVER said Faneca was HORRIBLE…I freaked out when that Lombardi article was written…
My stance on this has and will never change…mistake, douch move by the Jets
-
& Stop with the locker room crap .. This is not H.S football .. You guys have been killing me with that crap for months now .. Smh ..
-
Cw post… cro is next year..braylon is this year…. also #4 was lito+kerry
-
AKA Jack
You are WAY too nonchalance about this…he had a rough stretch…he DOMINATED and helped that rookie QB grow up down the most important and biggest games for the JEts…
It took Brandon Moore and LONG time before he was ready…about 3 years
Its not a good move, I dont care how you spin it… I speak up when its fair but this is wrong and these people have a RIGHT to be upset
-
wow, cutting faneca is ballsy. at least you know what to expect from him. i hope this kid from umass is a beast.
any chance we can resign faneca ala brandon moore?
-
Wow… Seriously guys dont go jumping off bridges! We lost a guard. Big deal! The Jets have had a ridiculously successful offseason. Ducasse will be playing inbetween 2 Pro Bowlers. I’m sure he will be fine. No wonder everybody hates Jets fans! You guys are being such drama queens. We have Pro Bowlers at nearly every position. So what if we are a little weaker at LG… Do you know how many teams would kill to have our offseason? Un-frickin-believable…
-
AKA Jack – are you seriously stating that AF sucked? He may not have been AF of old but our O line wasn’t best in the league with any player blowing chunks…
Failing to pay $1.7M or whatever actual out of pocket may have been is just CHEAP, and ever worse, downright STUPID….
Guess we’re just so deep at line that we don’t need AF for 1.7M
-
Who is going to lead the locker room now? F$#K this.We cut a gladiator today. I’m going to bed. Goodnight guys.
-
OK!
One good thing i can say about this:
Kerry was traded for a mere 4th rd pick. We all freaked questioning tanny. He got us Pool, and what looks to be Sharper in the works, as well as maybe Reshad Jones tomorrow in the draft.
He let go of Jones. He replaced him with Ladanian.
He let go of Strickland and Shepherd he got us Wilson and Cromartie.
He got rid of Douglas, he got us Taylor instead.
Now… he got rid of Faneca… we have a 2nd round pick of his future replacement, but there’s got to be something we don’t know. Tanny always has something up his sleeve.
Was it db? In a way, but remember this is a business. Faneca wasn’t earning his paycheck. He was bad in pass coverage, something the Jets are going to do a lot more of this season. AND last season he was pretty bad for the majority of it. It can’t get worse than how it was in the begining with him last season so we can only get better from there.
-
Dylan
You are on HAPPY pills bro…Everything is great!!! YEAH!!!!!
This move sucks and Ray Lucas is even saying so…and hes a big a homer as there is
-
Thx for the correction DTrain. Seriously guys … the Vlad pickup is building for the future, plus Slauson is ready !
We’re getting spoiled .. In Tanny I believe !
-
Sorry one last post. Dylan, don’t you remember what happened to us after Kendall got dumped for $1mm? He is just a guard & our OL became a laughing stock. Oh, he was also a team leader btw. It took Faneca to put it back together.
-
WW85
Rex Ryan .. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
-
Dylan – so folks are a bit engaged at this hour, perhaps having had a few on a Friday night, but F anyone who thinks this is SMART.
Absent someone making a decent case for the move, e.g., oh, AF has XYZ medical issues, I’m sorry, but think there’s nothing that’s making sense here.
-
Some of you guys just dont want to hear it because it ruins your idea of how “invincible” Tanny and the Jets are but this move sucked and I knew it from the second Vladmir Ducasse got picked…
Tannys made some great ones, but he fouled this up
-
Guys… Kendall and Faneca are not as similar as you are making them out to be.
Kendall was in his prime. Faneca is declining… big difference.
-
WW85 … you’re kidding right ?
He was only one piece of the puzzle ! -
this is like an abusive relationship….we all got spoiled and got alot of gifts and praised everything… now we are all getting kicked in the face with the front office saying im only doing this because i love you
-
My phones just about dead .. Peace guys ..
Stay away from the bridge …
-
WW85
Exactly man…thats exactly what Im reliving right now…
Dreaming of Adrien Clarke or Jacob Bender and the speech we are going to get about them…a drama queen needs her sleep
-
I’m off to bed as well (early LL games), but perhaps Dylan and DHarris can share some of those happy pills so I can sleep tonight!
In Rex and Tanny I trust, but not as much as before…
-
Ed L says:
i know that faneca is a great leader…
but maybe rex and tanny feel that its time for mangold and brick to be those leaders on the o-line….
basically transfer of leadership….
i am not saying i like it or i dont because this is one of those things you are just going to have to wait and see…
but as JETS fan i need to believe and in rex and tanny i trust…
but i think most of all if callahan let this happened then it is going to be okay… but who knows
-
david harris….kendall played TWO more season after we cut him…what are you talking about???
stop with that…its not true
-
JetsFan4Life,
Lol good point. Lets just let it play out though. There is no point in throwling hissy fits because of a cut made in April. Lets see how our team looks in August and September. There are many more moves to be made. I trust Tanny and Rex.
-
Eddie D-
I’m going to ask you again since you were one of the most vociferous Callahan supporters.
Callahan is the Offensive Line coach and according to many, you included, the de facto Jets Offensive Coordinator. Those of you who backed him as Schott’s replacement all last year (at least) should have his back, he is either in charge of the Jets O or he isn’t. This was his call as much as anyones.
Faneca still has some value. He may get picked up by some team but it sure as hell won’t be for the $7.5 million the Jets would have owed him. And no, he didn’t deserve it.
The line is going to be fine.
-
i think everyone remembers what happened to kendall, but lets not pretend like he went on to be an all pro for the redskins.
also, i think tanny and the brain trust actually had the kendall situation in mind, which is why they drafted a guard with our second round pick. typically, lineman taken this early are good enough to start day 1.
moreoever, from what i read this kid is a fierce run blocker (as was faneca). i’m willing to bet tanny & callahan think he can be at least as ‘good’ as faneca was in pass protection while not being a huge drop off in the ground game.
-
Dylan – fair enough, and not throwing a hissy (leave that to my teenagers who are going to be all BS over this all day tomorrow), just don’t understand it (given we don’t have all their info), and don’t feel all giddy like Li’l Orphan Annie right now (signing, Tomorrow, tomorrow…), but more likely than not something will convince me to see “the truth” on this…
-
in vlad we trust… i would love to hear mangold and woodys thoughts on this… they might share some light on how pissed the players might be
-
I cannot believe we let go on Faneca…why not let go of him next year? I hate this move.
-
JetsFan4Life,
I hear ya. And I understand why some fans are a little frustrated by the move. Faneca was a pretty good player and a great guy in the locker room. I just think a lot poeple are overreacting. Lets hear what Tanny has to say first before we criticize the move too much.
-
Biggest question… Do we oew Faneca 5.25 million? If so, that’s why this is retarded. Why pay that for nothing? And, why haven’t we cut Clemens….
-
AKA Jack
You trying to pick a fight with me???
What do you want me to say…off line coaches dont release players…they dont sign checks…and Schottenhiemer is the offensive coordinator…the point was Callahan would replace Schotty is Schotty couldnt get Sanchez back on track…he did, its over, what are you talking about???
Second, you dont know Callahan, Schottenhiemer, Rex , Pettine, Woody or Woodys dog so how do you know whos call it is? You dont
If this doesnt concern you in the least, then fine, but there are plenty of good reasons for it to concern other people…unless of course you know the Jet hierarchy and have privilged information…but Im sure you just dont want to ruin the excitement that the Jets have now crushed by this idiotic move
-
Really the last thought for tonight…so WHY TONIGHT? Was this meant as a personal insult to AF? Most likely none of us really have a clue as to what really goes on inside Florham Park, and don’t kid your self that we’ll get a sense of it via HBO.
What’s gained by cutting him hours after drafting Vlad (except perhaps encouraging his agent in negotiations)?
-
PSL,
Exactly my point. Cut him next year when the cap hit is much less.
-
maybe the fact they didnt trade him means the interest for him wasnt all out.. granted signing a cut player and trading is to different animals… maybe the price and age could drive him to the jets for 1 more cheaper year? no it wont im just making myself not bang my head on the computer screen….
-
It might work out…maybe..but the idea that there is no cause for concern about this and that Ducasse is Alan Faneca 2x is a joke…you are kidding yourselves and you have to give me some of whatever you’re taking right now…
The Jets have done real good things so far, but this one sucked…sorry if it ruins your day but it does
and Im the biggest homer of them all
-
right on eddie… i can spin any jets move in the favor of the jets but i really cant come close with this one…. IT COULD work out…but god knows the risk is UNNECESSARILY high
-
AKA Jack
By the way, Im not in LOVE with Bill Callahan…he draws up the running game, we led the league in rushing, we won football games by pounding the s#it of people…I love WINNING, and whoever does that for the Jets is who I like…
The point I made then and today still stands, Callahan draws up the running game, always did…still does…its common knowledge…Bent will tell you
-
If this was done soley to save 1.7 mil next year then I hope Woodrow F. Bandaid Heir chokes on all his remaining PSL’s.
-
There are tools who cry about everything the Jets do, even when they trade a 5th round pick for Braylon Edwards…
If Im making noise, something is wrong
-
i know that faneca is a great leader…
but maybe rex and tanny feel that its time for mangold and brick to be those leaders on the o-line….
basically transfer of leadership….
i am not saying i like it or i dont because this is one of those things you are just going to have to wait and see…
but as JETS fan i need to believe and in rex and tanny i trust…
but i think most of all if callahan let this happened then it is going to be okay… but who knows
-
all this battlin back and forth is pointless and i know this is a blog and this is what we do debate…but i think its getting a little out of hand.
basically its a WAIT AND SEE
DONT BE SO QUICK TO JUMP OFF THE BRIDGE!!!
-
Eddie-
Nope, not trying to pick a fight with you. Just pointing out the inconsistency of the endless criticism of Jets fans which is like no other.
One second everyone says this coaching staff and management is beyond reproach and then the next they are screaming for their heads. It’s absurd and it is typical NY.
Do you honestly think that the brain trust you were raving over 1 minute before this happened took stupid pills or is there some small chance they actually have a plan and a reason for doing this? Faneca was the worst player on the O line last year and he wasn’t going to get better this year. This is the NFL, this is what happens.
You don’t get to bring in talent like Edwards, Holmes and Cromartie and then figure out a way to pay your own home grown talent like Mangold, Brick, Revis, etc., and still stay within the cap and your own teams needs by paying an aging OG who is getting by mainly on reputation no matter how harsh that sounds. That’s just the facts.
-
AGREE 1000000% AKA JACK
-
Ed L
Hey…it COULD work…but its something that COULD also ruin the whole season…one guy gets hurt on the o line…now they are that much weaker…plus Chez year 2, that much more pressure on the young kid
With Faneca AND Ducasse…there was great depth…Vlad could learn or spot start at different positions
Faneca wasnt Faneca from 2004 Pitt…but he was a proven hard nosed kick @ss player who mowed down DL in the playoffs for us when we played our best football
-
The timing of this is what really sux. And for those who are trying to compare this to Pete Kendall. Please. On his best day – Kendall couldn’t carry Faneca’s jock. Even the 2010 version….
-
“and still stay within the cap and your own teams needs by paying an aging OG who is getting by mainly on reputation no matter how harsh that sounds. That’s just the facts.”
Its not a fact…ITS AN UNCAPPED SEASON…they could let him go and take 1/5th the hit next year!!!!!!! They had a plan with Pete Kendall too…its not the first go round with this kind of stuff…
So why do I get the pleasure of having my inconsistencies pointed out??? There are a 100 other wackjobs who KILL the Jets for EVERYTHING!!!!! With me, Its not all or nothing…Im not Mike Ts son…when they said this would happen I said it was a mistake then and Im saying it now…I dont root blindly…its a case by case basis…
And if you read what I posted, Ive commended them for moves they ve done, but Im not sitting here all hopped up on happy pills following in the “Tanny and Rex we Trust!!!!” cheerleading garbage…theyve made mistakes with the o line before and it feels eerily similar
Im NY to core, Brooklyn NY, born and bred, sorry I cant be consistent or sophisticated enough to just hold a pair of pom poms…
This move is an unneccasary risk and I dont like it…if you do…well find out come December
-
Faneca is like a guy who hit 220 before the All Star Break…then hit .350 in August and September and helped your team win the division
He had a rough first half, he DOMINATED the stretch and in the playoffs…thats a FACT. sorry it is
-
AKA Jack
Last words all yours to point out how bad a Jet fan I am and tell me how I should root for the team
I know a thing or two about the game too my friend…you aint the only one here
-
Brandon from Ilinois says:
Cutting Faneca could come back to bite us. I don’t get this move at all.
-
truegreen says:
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
-
>>So why do I get the pleasure of having my inconsistencies pointed out???
Because I like arguing with you. Not in a gay way ( not that there’s anything wrong with that ,TM). You’re not a clown even if you are from Brooklyn.
The uncapped year argument is kinda dumb. Ok, stupid. The NFL is not a business, it’s a rich mans club and any argument denying it is absurd. Even the US Congress won’t take on pro sports. Go figure.
Woody Johnson has never worked a real day in his life and neither has most of the other owners so why doesn’t he just pay any player whatever he wants next season? Because if he does he will get kicked out of the club. Anyone who thinks next year is an uncapped year just because the NFL doesn’t announce rules only Bent can understand, well they deserve to be sold a bridge in Tanzania. There’s a cap alright, it exists just like Aishwarya Ra’s tan line. It may be mythical to you and me but it exists.
Besides all that, Faneca really isn’t all that anymore. Time to die.
-
LeRevis says:
Everyone needs to chill…the Jets know what they are doing, they have a plan and it is going to work…You guys are freaking out because its not your plan that the jets are following…thank goodness half of you guys are not gms…im not going to lie, i thought they would keep A.F one more year to teach Vlad the ropes but they know whats best…Just trust them guys, this is one of the best coaching staffs in the league they know what they are doing…You guys will be happy with the results….(If we can get over T.J. , we can get over A.F) Go Jets!!!!!!!!!
-
Man if I knew Fanica was going to be cut…I would have hoped the Jets would have gotten a top Guad in the 1st round.
-
Lyim says:
Faneca, thanks for all the time and help, if you are cut I wish you well and hope you have nothing but success.
-
Thus far in Free Agency and the Draft the Jets have mortgaged their Offensive Line (it appears) without necessarily harming the future in an attempt to add depth and skill in the Defensive Backfield and WR Position — I think that while some people might be micromanaging particular moves, the Jets clearly knew what they needed to get past 9-7 in the regular season and advance further in the playoffs next time around.
Eddie, calm down please.
-
the more i think about this, the angrier i get. the question is WHY? a ready to win team- why take the chance? it just doesn’t make any sense for a couple mil in an uncapped year. there’s just no reason to do it. either you keep faneca, he sucks, and then you plug in slauson/ducasse and get rid of faneca or the line remains solid and the great OL play continues. we went from one big constant to a HUGE variable. this is INSANE, our line fell apart when we removed Pete Kendall, look at what happened to Seattle when they got rid of Hutchinson- this is idiotic and purely without any actual reason than pure $. i hope woody loses fans for this so he loses the exact same money he gained by dropping faneca. i was thinking super bowl for this team and they go and drop a giant ? in the whole mix. god damn
-
are all the calm people about this not seeing the bigger problem here. this move is completely without reason. for a couple mil our offensive line goes from strength to question mark. if faneca sucks- replace him in season, what harm besides a couple mil. the ONLY answer i can come up with is that Callahan thinks that Slauson is ready for the guard position and that Ducasse is the heir to Big Wood’s right tackle spot. there’s no way they could just plug this guy in there and hope for the best.
-
dakar says:
i really cant see the jets cutting AF…no way…it wont make any sense to me…
this draft has really thrown me off big time…im not gonna complain…i just thought we were gonna go defense all the way through…even though i was 1 of many who wanted a pass rusher like hughes or kindle who were both available at 29 we took wilson…i knew we would take a CB but it still supprised me…why i dont know…maybe becuz i wanted hughes or kindle more than wilson…but im good with the pick…
but today with kindle and cody on the board i was sure we would either trade up and snag 1 of them but that never transpired…when we picked vlad…i was dumb founded by the pick…does the pick make sense…yes it does…but i didn’t think it would have come this early…
now for saturday…i really dont know what rex and tanny are gonna do…but what i can say is…this draft really didn’t go the way i thought it was gonna go…i like the picks…but i would have loved hughes/kindle and cody for our 1st 2 picks…
even after we picked wilson kindle and cody were still there…i dont understand why we didn’t make a move for kindle or cody…im sure i will love vlad and he will do good for us…but i wasn’t expecting a o-lineman so early in the draft for us…i just wasn’t…as you can see im still in aawww at the pick…still scratching my head…oh well…there’s still saturday for the defensive picks…or at least i hope so…just my thoughts…
-
MEL31602 says:
While I don’t really understand the move of cutting Faneca in an uncapped year, this doesn’t necessarilyi mean Vlad is starting right away. Supposedly Callahan is high on Hunter plus they have Turner or Slauson. Not to mention I’m sure some other guards will get cut later in the offseason for the Jets to look at.
-
or maybe we’ll pick up flozel adams…lolol…sorry i had to laugh at the thought of it…but i still cant see us cutting faneca…
-
JetsFan65 says:
Hate the fact that we are cuttting Faneca to save just 2mil or so and when we have no idea what ducasse can do for us. Could definitely come back to haunt us. Smart thing would have been to keep Faneca for just one more year.
This is mind boggling and frustrating
-
Good pick, especially since we wanted to cut ties with Faneca. We now have a potential replacement, possibly in the short-term.
Let’s trade up and take Everson Griffen! He’s a big guy who could probably play in either a 3-4 or 4-3, and when we play the 46 or have 4 down lineman, he’d be a monster off the edge!
-
Vince says:
Did we just draft “Big Mike” from the Blindside?? All kidding, aside this is good pick. The defense is stacked already.
-
The timing issue bothers me for some reason…they could have waited till monday and not put it on the kid like….hey we drafted u and now fanecas cut…especially on a night that must be very special for a newly drafted player.
That being said the difference in this and Kendal….to me is that at least it aint adrian clarke….because the jets have had wayne hunter and rob turner waiting to step in …..and they will at least be decent where clarke was putrid…..also hey maybe the kid does come in and win the job. Of course that’s best case scenerio. Also I am a big Nebraska fan so I’ve seen most of slauson and I beilieve he will become a better than just depth player. I like his game a lot and I wouldn’t be surprised if he battled for the starting spot. I do think he ends up being Moores replacement down the road…years down the road hopefully…. Either way I’m not all that upset anymore except I just don’t like how it gets handled, but then again maybe its something we all don’t know behind the timing….
-
We add a very solid receiver in Holmes, pick up an aging RB but one who is still a significant asset in the passing game, and we drop a guard who was really quite mediocre in pass protection.
Sanchez came along late last season. He has Braylon/Cotchery/Holmes/Keller/Leon/LT as his main weapons in the passing game.
I do think we’ll still be a run-first team next season, but maybe not as heavily as last year. Is it me, or do I smell a little smoke where a fire might be? Could the Jets be preparing to be more of a passing offense? I think the balance will be more 55/45 rushing this season, but maybe we have so much faith in Sanchez that we’re preparing to give him the team. It’s just pure speculation, but I think that it’s possible the coaching staff REALLY likes Sanchez.
Perhaps we embrace the physical, run-first image, but maybe, JUST MAYBE, we’re preparing to unleash Sanchez and the passing attack on unexpecting defenses. Maybe we don’t worry much about losing the aging Thomas Jones because it’s possible we’re looking to use the passing game to set up the run.
It’s just pure speculation, but I think this coaching staff loves Sanchez, especially after his performances in big games.
-
AJ says:
The New York Jets will release nine-time Pro Bowl left guard Alan Faneca, a source tells ESPNNewYork.com’s Rich Cimini.
Cimini previously reported the Jets had been trying to trade Faneca in an attempt to unload his contract, which will pay him a base salary of $7.5 million this year.
Faneca couldn’t have liked what he learned Friday night, when the Jets selected UMass guard Vladimir Ducasse in the second round of the draft, one of the highest-rated run-blocking guards in this year’s class. Ducasse becomes the favorite to start in Faneca’s old spot on opening night.
That the Jets would tinker with their elite offensive line is significant, when they’re gearing up for a run at the Super Bowl.
Faneca, 33, was selected for the Pro Bowl both seasons he played for the Jets. He went eight straight times as a Pittsburgh Steeler. He was voted All-Pro six times.
But Faneca is starting to show his age. Football Outsiders managing editor Bill Barnwell recently produced a study on missed pass-blocking assignments. Faneca was the league’s most frequently beaten left guard. He gave up seven sacks and three quarterback hurries.
-
Daniel,
I can’t see how they could sell it that they aren’t leaning towards a passing game. They now have 3 excellent recievers and just cut a guard who is considered one of the better pulling guards to replace him with a more solid passing guard….I think its clear, they also got 2 solid pass catching RBs…so I do agree with you…if not they would have looked to sign a more bruising type I believe. But this league is a passing league and I guess they see a guy that came become a elite passer. I want a balanced attack since I don’t want too much pressure in year 3 but this will be a passing team in the near future.
-
sunsetmusic
I’m glad you read my argument and can see the points I’m making.
I really do feel this team is getting prepared to hand the team over to Sanchez, and a solid year is all it’ll take for them to let him be the man in charge.
I think the team will be able to maintain a nice balance, but I think in a couple of seasons we could see this team pass a little bit more than 50% of the time.
-
Sunsetmusic- supposedly they are waiting until Monday to cut him the info just got leaked out early.
-
Also, for what it’s worth, Pro Football Focus has some pretty negative ratings for Faneca. Watching him last year, the dude could not pass protect. He was still a good run-blocker late in the season, though he did struggle early.
Releasing a multiple pro bowl guard is big news. Releasing a multiple pro bowl guard FAR past his prime who was likely the team’s worst lineman last year is bigger news than it ought to be. Calm down fellow Jets fans. If this was the nasty Faneca of a few years ago, I’d be scratching my head, but being that the signs point to an obvious change in offensive philosophy, this isn’t too big a deal. We will still be a running team, but the leash on Sanchez has lengthened and he will be given more opportunities to make plays. To do so, he needs good pass protection and Faneca didn’t provide it.
We have an excellent coaching staff. Is it possible they made a bad call? Possibly. Do I trust them? Hell yes. They have an excellent track record so far and I feel they didn’t make this move without reason.
It should also speak volumes that nobody wanted to trade a draft pick of any kind for the guy. That might be partially because other teams knew we might release him, but no team even came up with a 7th round pick to offer to ensure that they’re the ones who got him!
-
AKA Jack, I originally got on you because you pretended that you were shocked that Vlad was still available when the Jets picked him. Your responses are proof that I’m right because your resources even have him right around where he went. Also, now that Faneca is cut do you admit Tannenbaum did an awful job by signing him in the first place? Faneca was not Mangini’s guy, he was Tannenbaum’s all the way. By cutting Faneca at the cost of five million, Tannenbaum is admitting that he thinks Faneca stunk last year and couldn’t even live up to the last year of his contract. Thus, it was a bad signing that Tannenbaum wouldn’t make if he had the chance to do it all over again. So do all you Tannenbaum lovers finally admit he made a blunder? Remember, he almost blew it with Brandon Moore but only signed him after the Pittsburgh free agent spurned him. He also blew it with Pete Kendall..It seems that Tannenbaum is clueless when it comes to retaining his own Line…It also seems that Tannenbaum doesn’t like to take care of his own guys..I hope he doesn’t pull this bs with Ellis.
-
Question: Is Woody so cheap that he wants to save 2 million dollars or is Tannenbaum so stupid that he’d ruin the best OL in football and hand Faneca’s spot to a extremely raw rookie????? Sanchez is gonna get creamed this season because of this stupid move…
-
Quit overreacted Goblin,
Alan Faneca was rated THE WORST PASS BLOCKING GUARD IN FOOTBALL by pro-football-focus. He surrendered 6 sacks and if you watched the games, you’d see that he wasn’t very good in pass protection.
Alan Faneca is a big name. That is all, my friend. Quit displaying the reasons people give NY sports fans a bad name. You love Tanny one minute, the next you rip him for a move that isn’t as significant as it appears. Faneca was a GREAT lineman in his prime and could even make the Hall of Fame someday. As for 2010, his production won’t be missed as much as many think.
No, I am not bowing down to Tannenbaum in saying this. I’m just being realistic. Faneca was pretty bad last year. And IDK, looks like Tanny got it right with D’Brick and Mangold.
-
Daniel, I don’t care what pro-football-focus claims. Faneca was decent last year. Since you don’t agree, do you at least admit that Tannenbaum did a bad job by signing Faneca in the first place? You already credited him with Mangold and D’brick so I want to hear you admit Faneca was a bad signing. Be a man and reply saying that Tannenbaum did a bad job signing Faneca in the first place..You Tannenbaum lovers and Jets homers have such a hard time admitting his errors..I give Tanny credit when he deserves it and I rip on him when he deserves it..In this instance he deserves it big time..You need to stop drinking the Jets Kool-Aid.
-
Doug says:
At first I was very upset about Faneca’s release. Now that TJ is gone he was probably the next vocal leader of the offense.
But then I started thinking to myself why they would do something like this…It can’t be simply because they’re cheap. They owe $5mil either way. In trying to understand the motive, I tried to see the bigger picture…
Forget the left guard position for a second. TJ and AF were really the guys who had control of the offense for 2 years. Especially this past year as we were pounding the ball, who better than the most experienced lineman and starting RB to be the ones that teammates looked to?
Enter Mark Sanchez, the unquestioned franchise quarterback for better or for worse. Rex handpicked him to be the star and leader of the offense that would have a very hands-off head coach. By a year later the Jets are equipped with Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, Dustin Keller, Jericho Cotchery, Leon Washington, Ladanian Tomlinson, etc… and like it our not, the offense will be more balanced this year. There are a lot of pass catching targets and a maturing Sanchez is expected to carry this offense.
This will be Sanchez’ offense and let us not forget that TJ and Faneca, while model citizens and extremely hard workers, are pretty grumpy dudes. TJ has got a fire under his ass and occasionally lets one rip in the media, and Faneca has had words for young quarterbacks in his past. Incidentally these are the two starters who will not be returning to the offense this year.
Now think of every team with a great quarterback. The Colts, The Pats, The Saints, The Cardinals (until this year) etc…No one questions who the leaders of those offenses are. The quarterback is the man. He runs and commands the offense. This is the culture that I believe Tanny and Rex are trying to create for Sanchez, and part of the process is purging the team of players who are potential thorns in the side of an emerging leader. Once TIki and Shockey left the Giants, Eli became the quarterback he is.
Now take a closer look at the left guard position. Forget the probowl, AF obviously did not deserve it. He was one of the least effective guards in football. His real strength is in his run blocking and he was a liability last year in pass defense. Ducasse certainly is not an upgrade as a raw rookie talent, but does offer a valuable asset to Calahan in his lack of experience. He can be coached up like a blank slate to be the lineman that does not have bad habits. It might take a little while and we do have other backups who have stepped into game situations and held their own when players like Woody and Mangold got knocked out temporarily.
All in all, I now think this was a necessary shift of power for the offense. The young all-pro linemen will step up and lead their unit and Sanchez will be the unquestioned leader of the offense.
-
hank/naples says:
Hey Daniel:
Hate to say it guy but you are DEAD WRONG!!!
The fact is, if you re-read Green Goblins comments, you will see that it is you that is Tannenbaum’s appologist. You proved Green Goblin correct by restating the exact same reasons he used in his arguments above, ie. that Tannenbaum made a HUGE misteake
-
Correction: By eating Faneca’s last $5 million, Tannenbaum ia now confirming that he made a huge mistake in over paying for Faneca in the first place.
Take a look and let us know where Green Goblins arguments in his post above @ 4:41 am. are wrong, and how they differ from yours?
-
“You need to stop drinking the Jets Kool-Aid.”
You need to stop speaking for me. Can we please have an intelligent debate without you freaking out?
I disagree that the signing was bad. Faneca was a good run-blocker even if his pass-blocking left a lot to be desired. Thomas Jones went from 3.6 ypc and 1 TD to 4.5 ypc and 13 TDs. Faneca had a lot to do with that. He helped bring the physicality to the Jets that we all know now. However, he didn’t look quite the same in the running game at times the way he used to. You might say Tanny shouldn’t have signed him for as many years as he did, but the move was not a total bust. It just so happened that Faneca burned out at the age of 33 and the mistake there was signing a player of his age for as long as we did. However, I don’t place TOO much blame on Tannenbaum because Faneca is a big-name guy who produced in yesteryear, he just burnt out earlier than anticipated. Apparently you are aware of his past success and it is why you are reacting the way you are.
“You Tannenbaum lovers and Jets homers have such a hard time admitting his errors..I give Tanny credit when he deserves it and I rip on him when he deserves it..In this instance he deserves it big time..”
Because what? I said this move wasn’t so bad. I can easily admit Tanny missed on Gholston. Everyone associated with the franchise who supported the move missed BAD. We’ll see how he does at DE, but he wasn’t the pass-rushing OLB we had all hoped for.
You take something I say about one move and assume it’s my view towards everything else. Must be hard going day-to-day with that cynical attitude. No rip on you man, I just think you ought to calm down a bit. You’re ripping fellow Jets fans and ripping a GM for ONE MOVE when he has brought more attention to the Jets than they’ve ever had the past 40 years. With his moves, he has created the highest expectations the Jets have had in AGES. What more could fans ask for than the optimism he’s helped bring us? Yet releasing an aging and declining guard is going to “ruin the best OL in football” and “Sanchez is going to get creamed.” Guess what?!?! Sanchez got “creamed” 6 times thanks to Faneca’s aging @$$!!! For the sake of your argument’s integrity, I really hope you weren’t one of those who was critical of Thomas Jones during the season but is now ripping Tannenbaum for letting him walk.
If this move dramatically lowers your expectations, I feel sorry for you. Either that, or you’ve just been a Jets fan too long and their past has damaged your fanhood. I mean you sound like a fan of some other team…
You are either a VERY distressed Jets fan, or you are a troll disguising as one. I’m hoping it’s the former, but the way you address the guys on here makes you look an awful lot like the latter.
Like I said, nobody came rushing with offers for the guy despite the success he’s had… Instead, we draft a guy with versatility to take over at Guard or even Tackle who at least has potential to improve. Watching Faneca, he was only getting worse, even if he was still decent. This wasn’t Tanny’s call alone. Aside from Woody saving money (to use on re-signing our guys, which you’ve spoken so much about loyalty), Rex, Schotty, and Callahan also must have been comfortable in letting him go.
I know. We’re TOO optimistic. Green Goblin will likely never move past the belief that we are the “same old Jets.” Even if we aren’t as good as anticipated next year, it feels damn good to even have this much excitement and respect around the league!
Bold prediction: Sanchez’s stats: 3300+ yards, 25 TD, 14 INT – *possible* Pro Bowl.
-
Doug:
Your points are well taken, specially regarding Shockey and Tiki, but you simply can NOT compare Sanchez to Eli!!!
Wether the fans agree or not they totally differnt people, with totally different football experience, and totally different backgroung. Just Eli’s lineage ( Family background) his “stock” and upbringing is a HUGE difference.
Wether we like it or not, and I agree, the Jets FO has put all their eggs in Sanchez’s basket with the BIG difference being that Sanchez is and cuntinues to be in an unknown commodity!!!
-
Hank/naples
The mistake was in how long we signed him. He burnt out towards the end of his contract.
As I’ve said, Thomas Jones saw nearly a full YPC more and a 12 TD improvement with the addition of Faneca. Think that’s a coincidence? Mangold wasn’t even as good as he is now, and D’Brick was still a bust back then.
Unfortunately Faneca ran out of steam. He was not the same player last year. I am not saying I fully approve of the move. Will the alternative be better? I don’t know! All I’m saying is I don’t think it is as big of a loss as many others think!
-
There was not a mistake in anything we gave Faneca…..The deal made sense at the time and we needed a veteran OL to help Mangold/Brick….Faneca’s play fell off and the opportunity to eat his contract without a cap hit appeared this year.
I like Faneca and preferred if he stayed but the complete overreaction to this is insane.
Remember as much as we think we know lets assume for a second that the Jets might know a little more than we do
-
james_d says:
I understand the move of picking a high round OL, very much like Oher last year by the Ravens as an insurance policy.
However, cutting Faneca makes no sense whatsoever. Cutting him to save $1.7m. Really? I could understand if he was due a huge roster bonus or something. Make them fight it out in Training Camp, then make a decision. Very odd move by Mr. T.
-
Plus I will not assume that this means Ducasse will start becasue Faneca is gone…..
There might be a plan that the Jets have that we wont know about for a while….
And please lets not start the A Clarke/Kendall comparisions. We are a totally different team and a totally different OL now
-
Daniel:
I’m not saying Tannenbaum made a mistake in signing Faneca. What I am saying is that Tannenbaum made a mistake by OVERPAYING for him, something the Steelers were not going to do.
I also believe Faneca is a verry good “pulling” LG but has also received to much credit for the Jets succesfull running game, and definitely not enough credit given to Moore and Woody.
I’m willing to bet a dollar to a donut that the stats will show the Jets ran right (over Moore) more times and for better yads then left over Faneca.
-
I am alittle confused by the timing off it which also makes me think something is in the works
-
sackexchange says:
I love this move….. there is still one or two down pass rushers out there…..everyone forgets why we r in this situation to begin with (except the 49ers) mangold and ferguson……big and bigger wins championships…..
-
Nikolas says:
Surprise, Surprise…..This organization has no idea what it’s doing!
I knew all along that Faneca was next after the Rhodes trade! Actually I had predicted so on this blog the day they let Rhodes go for a 4th round pick?
This FO is simply Lucky but in general it is incompetent.
Wow! They let go Faneca, Rhodes, Jones and Feely
and they get Taylor, Holmes, Cromartie, Tomlison
Now it is debatable if this team got better in the off-season.
-
Hank/Naples
The comparison wasn’t meant to be one between the two players. It was giving an example of a quarterback taking charge of his team once some of the louder leaders went elsewhere.
-
NamVetJet says:
Daniel you made some very good points. And Drew I have to agree withyou too. As Jet fans we do overreact to every move i.e TJ. Also I love when we give one guy credit or discredit for a move. I find it hard to believe that any decision is made by one man. I am sure one member of the decision makeing process may have a strong preference, and that the decision has to be approved by Mr. T, but Tanny would be a fool to make decisions based soley on what he wantsor his football knowledge. That is just not how it works in football or any other business situation (except maybe Al Davis).
-
Daniel, you said that Faneca was good in the beginning of his contract with the Jets but burned out at the end yet he only played two seasons with the Jets and he signed a five-year, $40 million contract, with $21 million in guarantees (which made Faneca the highest paid offensive lineman in NFL history at the time)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You also said he stunk last year so that means he only had one good year out of a five year contract!!!!! He couldn’t even make it to year three and the Jets still have to pay him 5 million because of guaranteed money and couldn’t trade him because of a no trade clause!!!!!!!!!!! So even by your calculations you’re wrong..He wasn’t good at the beginning of his contract…He was good for one friggin season!!!!! I knew you would NEVER admit it was a bad contract yet still say Tannenbaum was correct to cut him!!!! Can’t you see the hypocrisy in your statements?! Are you sure nobody is slipping you that Jets Kool-Aid??? Also, Parcells made the Jets more relevant than Tannenbaum over the last forty years(at least up until this point) so you are wrong again…
-
Jets Die Hard says:
Funny point: I heard during RD2 presser Mr. T mentioned that Vlad speaks 3 languages. I hope it is not the reason they drafted him, plus that is the case for everyone who is in the USA from Haiti. Any Haitian will speak Creole and French and will learn English while in USA. Maybe Mr. T thought that there is also Vlad’s native tounge – “Haitian language”.
Anyhow great raw talent, hope it will develop into good NFL player.
-
Hank is right in a way…its all on Sanchez…a lot of pressure
-
Hank/naples
I looked up the stats, and we were running better to the right. That is DESPITE the fact that D’Brick stepped it up big this year. Brandon Moore is a very underrated guard.
-
Bent says:
Yes, but the stats don’t tell you how often the successful play was keyed by a pulling LG (Faneca).
Moore simply had an easier assignment. I will actually be getting the breakdowns in a few weeks, but I believe they will show that Faneca had the most “key” blocks on the team by some margin. Unfortunately, they will also show that he had the most blown blocks by an even bigger margin.
You’ll have to wait for those details though!
-
Green Goblin
He was still a good guard, even if he wasn’t what he once was. The contract was bad, but I still don’t think it was a mistake because he helped bring the physicality to the Jets that we were looking for. Sure, he was overpaid because he simply was not as good as he once was, but aren’t all athletes overpaid?
Before we judge this move, we should see what plans the Jets have in store. Maybe they’ve seen something they really like from one of the guys we already have. Maybe they’ll find a vet to bring in to compete for the job.
It’s a passing league too. Faneca got by with his diminishing skill because he was still a decent run blocker. I don’t know too many teams that run as much as we did last season. It’s a passing league, and Faneca was THE worst pass-blocking guard last season.
Just because I am not as critical of Tannenbaum for this move as you are doesn’t mean I’m drinking the Jets kool aid. I’m a Jets homer because of an opinion on one move???
You are either a troll or the most pessimistic Jets fan I’ve ever debated with.
-
Bent,
That is a very good point. Unfortunately, I couldn’t find any stats for when guards were pulling one way or the other.
I was hoping for defense here, but the bottom line is you can never have enough offensive lineman, so you can’t knock this pick. Our line was dominant last year, lets keep it that way for years to come.
offensive lines are a team’s backbone.