The Rundown: AD, the Jets, the Need, the Plan
Story du jour? Adalius Thomas, ex Raven (and now Patriot). Thomas was a mainstay in Rex Ryan’s defense in Baltimore up until three years ago, when he signed an extremely lucrative deal with the Patriots. So now, cut free from Belichick just after the draft and just after the Jets signed former nemesis Jason Taylor, what are the Jets going to do?
According to Mark Cannizzaro and the New York Post, nothing.
Despite the stars seemingly aligned for a Thomas-Ryan reunion, however, a highly-placed NFL source told The Post last night that the Jets’ interest in signing Thomas is “minimal.”
Make no mistake, the Jets have had conversations about Thomas and signing him is not out of the realm of possibility, but it seems unlikely.
Ryan last week, responding to an Internet report that said Jets linebacker Bryan Thomas was going to be released, guaranteed Bryan Thomas would remain on the team.
The Jets just signed Dolphins outside linebacker and pass rush specialist Jason Taylor, leaving them with three starting-caliber outside linebackers. Thomas is 32 and is coming off a couple years of declining production — making 148 tackles and 14½ sacks in 39 games with New England.
The Jets, while they are building to win now, are also trying to get younger.
As is Gary Myers of the Daily News.
A source familiar with the Jets’ thinking said Monday night it is “doubtful right now” the team will pursue Thomas.
I get that the team is trying to get younger, but if that’s one of their goals on the defensive front (which it should have been for the past two years) then they’re not doing a very good job at addressing it, as far as we can see.
But not so fast!
Manish Mehta of the Star-Ledger is reporting otherwise, that maybe if the team isn’t getting younger at the spot, they are considering getting stouter by adding a player like Adalius.
The Jets have interest in free agent linebacker Adalius Thomas, according to someone who works in the league. The person requested anonymity because the interest is at an early stage.
Thomas, who was cut by the Patriots earlier today, could be the latest addition to a Jets’ team that has already made a flurry of offseason moves. The exact level of the Jets’ interest in the free agent is hard to gauge at this point.
While Rich Cimini adds his thoughts about the move over at ESPN, he doesn’t note a source in his piece, just that it’s a possibility in his mind.
Here’s the thing. If the Jets could have drafted Jared Odrick, I fully believe they would have and let the rest of the chips fall where they may. Since they couldn’t nab Odrick, you have to see the swap of Gholston to End as a “need” move by the team.
Of course, Gholston at DL is not really news … it is a place he was playing some at anyway last season during passing downs or four man fronts. Still, it’s going to be a concern until I see more on his ability to two-gap the run play in and out … that to me is a scary thought.
(Shudders)
With Odrick just off the board, the team “passed” on Jerry Hughes (if you can say that about a Tampa-Two DE) to take Kyle Wilson, someone who upgrades their defense from the secondary instantly and secures the secondary starters in 2011 should Cro not re-sign.
Odrick plays line, if he can two-gap (which it looks he could have for the Jets), then throw him in Week One.
3-4 OLBs are a trickier business. Like Wide Receivers, NFL pass-rushers aren’t usually built in a day. With that in mind, there’s just too tangled a mess, contractually and otherwise at OLB right now for the Jets to have drafted a youngster that isn’t necessarily ready to contribute right away.
Which brings us back to Thomas.
Now maybe one of those vets doesn’t make it out of camp, but Murrell is gone (now a Patriot) and Gholston will be a lineman, so add in Taylor and Thomas, and that’s two spots. What it doesn’t account for is special teams, where the team has to have enough bodies, and generally backup linebackers are key to the unit. My guess is that Jason Taylor and Adalius Thomas would have some isssues with playing on kickoffs … as silly as it sounds, it HAS to be a factor.
143 Responses to The Rundown: AD, the Jets, the Need, the Plan
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Brendan says:
The first line of Cannizzaro’s excerpt is English.
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96DEBACLE says:
you sign him or course.
he knows the defense. and is a great spell guy keeping everyone fresh.
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David A says:
Thanks but not thanks, not interested in Adalius. Interested in Henderson though.
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adornoj1 aka JetFan in Miami says:
agreed Johnsec. 125…. henderson (and i dont mean Harry)
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JETS4LIFE says:
Lets get John Henderson instead. No one will be able to run on us with Henderson, Jenkins and Ellis on the line and then no one will be able to pass on us either. Talk about Dom Defense. HENDERSON is the key
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roof says:
i like henderson, maybe even at de, but i really with we could get darren sharper, he would push us over the top, he was best defender on sb champs last year. plus hes high character so we would be spared a bunch of fake outrage from pundits about the jets getting bad character players.
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OMG27 says:
1) Rex never guaranteed Brian Thomas would remain on the team. He only said he would not be “released”.
2) Jason Taylor was not brought in to play every down, and he probably couldn’t if he tried.
Adalius makes sense if he wants to play for Rex again and finish his career on top, it’s a no-brainer.
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roof,
They have to wait to go after Sharper, they’re restricted from signing him because of the Final Four rules.
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i think the jets field like sharper will be the last addition to this team this off season……a centerfielder and i like our chances
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TOON2388 says:
I will pass. Westerman has a better chance of getting to QB. We have Taylor, Pace, and BT – why do we need AT?
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The Jets are paying the “older” FA small money and a 1-2 year deal. i would assume AD is looking for a bigger contract considering he is 32 and is probably on his last big payday.
After he feels out the market he and his agent will come to realize if i am going to play on a 1-2 year deal I might as well play in a system that suits me and I can win a Championship…….which leads him back to the Jets
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JustaGreenGuy says:
How about they extend Mangold and Revis? Maybe even Brick and the DH. Do you guys see the list of expiring contracts for next year? The Jets can live without these old, one year rentals. They can’t live without those guys.
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Green Goblin says:
What a joke!!! Miami outsmarted the Jets again!!!! They will now sign Thomas after dumping Taylor on us..I actually like the Taylor signing but Thomas is way better at this point in their careers…The Jets need both Taylor AND Thomas..Thomas and Sharper would make the Jets defense better than the 2000 Ravens or 85 Bears defense..But they will get neither players because Woody is too cheap..It’s not Rex because he loves Thomas…He once said that Thomas is LT and Banks combined!!! Tannenbaum would also love to have Thomas so it must be Woody the cheapskate…I heard that is one of the reasons that Parcells originally left the Jets as GM…Supposedly he loved Leon Hess because he was such a nice guy and would hand Parcells a blank check to sign whomever he wanted..Woody is cheap..Too bad Hess isn’t still the owner…Of course he was the owner during the years when teams couldn’t even sign other players and only owned the team during the first few years when free agency (cap) was finally allowed..Taylor + Thomas + Sharper = Superbowl!!!!!
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“but Thomas is way better at this point in their careers” sure about that?
They need both JT and AT? Because the defense has two vacancies for aging pass rushers with similarly declining skills?
Thomas is not good, simply put, so I don’t know how he’s the missing link to a Superbowl.
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leon's legs says:
enough with henderson.. writers are saying he cannot play in a 3-4, he is past his prime even in his suitable 4-3..
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Leon’s Legs,
Writers!?!?!? Oh NO! Come on man, writers know about as much about football as the homeless guy who hands in invisible business cards outside of my building.
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Wolf says:
Henderson would fit nicely at NT. Occupy blockers big man!
Thomas will be a Jet.
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Brendan- But us fans are all professional scouts? I seem to remember people chanting Gholston’s name as he was drafted.
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SackDance99 says:
I still think that AD would be an upgrade over BT. It’s tough to say whether AD’s skills have declined because in ’08 he was injured (but still had 5 sacks in 9 games) and was firmly in BB’s doghouse in ’09. I don’t think that AD is so much better than BT that it makes the Jets a lot better, but even slightly better on a no. 1 defense gets the Jets closer to the type of defense that can carry a team far into the playoffs. I like Henderson, too. But, of the two, Henderson would command more money and interest from other teams. I also doubt that AD goes to Miami, Parcells and BB have similar defensive schemes. Why would AD go from the frying pan into the fire?
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JAGG,
Never said that. But to say “writer’s say he can’t play in a 3-4″ is the same as saying “Brendan, the commenter from TJB, said he can’t play in a 3-4″. If a football mind comes out and says it, that’s one thing, but because a writer says it….not buyin’ it.
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JP the Jet says:
To carry over this from the other thread…..
NO adalius thomas, hes older and slower.
I would love to see us bring in Henderson, but I dont think it will happen.
I would LOVE to see us trade for Merriman, hes still on the block there, has not signed his RFA tender and the Chargers see the writing on the wall that he wants nothing to do with playing there, perhaps he could be had at a reasonable price.
Merriman on this team would have 15+ sacks
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We know even less than the “gurus” like Kiper and McSahy. I wish I could perform my job the way do – which is be wrong 60% of the time – and still make that kind of $.
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Brendan- Depending on franchise, agreed. I still don’t like the idea of sticking older players at NT. They all fade down the stretch.
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I don’t know who thinks he’d be a NT, he’d most likely be a DE since he’s so tall.
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Green Lantern says:
Wolf-
You heard anything about The Jets and Merriman?
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Jets = (Less) Misery says:
We don’t need Thomas. He’s old and slow. Thank you anyway.
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Pdubbs says:
I have to admit I think Merriman fits our defense, here’s why….
1- Fat guy
1- deadbeat dad
1-Burnout
1- Just drafted a “CB with Dreads”Clearly, we need a guy with a mohawk.
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RJ says:
Give Jamal Westerman a shot!!!!!!!!!!
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Ricker says:
Get Thomas and dump Thomas. A is better than B.
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Adalius is not good. I don’t know how else we can phrase this.
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deuce4417 says:
henderson would fit perfect in the system. everyone is preaching that the DE position is a anon glory position, so who care if he is past his prime
henderson- tall and over 330lbs
jenks- over 350
pitoitoia(sp ha ha). 6’8 350
thats alot of man to free up the backersthen you have ellis devito and ghost, looks good to me
i’ve never been a BT fan by any means but if we bring in henderson i think you’ll see his production grom so he gets mannes up on a back
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Bent says: RJ – I’d love to see him converted to inside linebacker full time. The Jets need depth there too.
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Brendan,
But, AD is better than BT. IMO, it’s not close.
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Le' Sean Roberts says:
Is so BT will get cut.
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Either that or he’s going to Miami.
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Davo says:
This is going to come down to money. Forget the re-union with Ryan, forget the chance to play his former team 2x a year. The guy is 32 and wants to cash in as best as possible. One of the 31 teams will offer a decent package to try improve their team.
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i would have to agree with SD99 here
AD covers and rushes the pasher better and isnt a slouch playing the run….he could also move inside “if needed” to spell an inured Harris/Scott
BT plays the run well but is not a good cover guy and has yet to smell the QB in 3 years
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Davo
I think the opposite IMO….Yes he is looking for cash as he is 32 and wants a final payday but teams just arent throwing money at the older players right now
Almost all teams (Jets included) are signing these guys to incentive laced 1-2 years deal for minimum dollars
AD will look for a bigger deal and then come back to us or the Bengals or another 3-4 team/coach he is familiar with and sign a 1-2 year deal
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I don’t think AT is that much better than BT as a whole. IMO BT plays the run much better than Thomas. AD rushes the passer. Neither is good in coverage, so it’s arguing about whether you prefer to be punched in the groin or in the face.
As a depth guy AT would be fine, but he is going to want starter money….PASS.
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Some cautionary notes on Henderson from ESPN.com:
Many believed Henderson would be released last June after coach Jack Del Rio ripped him for pulling out of offseason drills, suggesting he wasn’t committed and was faking a shoulder injury to avoid work.
Henderson and Del Rio eventually worked out their differences in a private meeting, and Henderson vowed he had “bought in.”
Still, that was yet another problem for Henderson. His clothing company — For Big Men, By Big Hen — folded after opening in 2007. One of his closest friends, Marcus Stroud, was traded in March 2008. He also had other undisclosed personal issues that admittedly affected his play.
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Sounds like Henderson has “issues.”
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Drew – you’re right about teams cutting back on spending, but it takes just one. In Carolina, the GM is spending to save his job, and the Browns/Seahawks are looking to make splashes (just some examples).
Either way, AD’s motivation is just one thing, the pay day. Bus Cook is his agent, and that generally just means one thing – sign with the one that pays the most.
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GP says:
“For Big Men by Big Hen”
Brilliant
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brian311 says:
the thing about AD is he can play multiple positions, provide depth at ILB (currently very thin) and he has excelled in rex’s system in the past. i think there are enough defensive snaps for pace, BT, JT and AD to go around.
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Brendan,
I think AD is better in every phase of the game. It’s tough to evaluate AD because his ’08 was injury marred and he was in BB’s doghouse in ’09. Also, it’s not likely that he’s the same player that he was in ’06 with the Ravens…but that AD was All-Pro caliber and was at a level that was far beyond anything that BT has approached in his career. If AD is 80% of the player he was at Baltimore, he’d still be better than BT.
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tomg says:
I don’t know if anyone mentioned this but MT was on the wfan radio this morning on the esiason-carton show and stated the jets are not interested in AD.
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Eddie DiGio says:
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SackDance99, on April 27th, 2010 at 11:56 am Said:Brendan,
But, AD is better than BT. IMO, it’s not close.
Absolutely…without question
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Wait a second! The same MT who stated he was excited about the recievers he had and then preceeded to attempt a hijack of Brandon Marshall before trading a 5th round pick to the Steelers for Santonio Holmes?
He said ‘nothing is imminent.’
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Dylan says:
Tanny also said that the Jets had no intention to trade Kerry Rhoes (exactly a day before they traded him), that the Jets had confidence in Clemens and Ratliff as their QBs, that the Jets were happy with Stuckey as the #2 receiver, and that the Jets probably weren’t going to to move Leon. Don’t ever believe anything that Tanny says lol.
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I don’t know what AD you guys have seen lately.
SD,
2006? Really? In 2006 the Bears had the 2nd rated offense in football. I think things have changed since then. I just don’t think AD is all that good anymore, and he hasn’t done anything the past two years to make me think otherwise. I thought him going to the Pats was going to be gut-wrenching for 5-6 years, but it was one rough season and then I was happy he was on a rivals team. That’s not really someone I’m excited to see brought in.
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Dylan- haha
I dont even listen to Tannebaum talk about players on the roster…only after he has acquired somebody…
If Rex wants AD, AD is a Jet in the near future…if he doesnt, hes not and on a less talented defense where he is going to have shoulder more of the burden than he can at this point in his career….works for me either way
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Brendan
Still doesnt mean he’s not better than Bryan Thomas
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Eddie DiGio,
Yeah exactly. Personally, I would like to replace BT with AD. He is a much better pass rusher, and JT is probably going to be gone after this year. AD still has a couple more years left. It definitely isn’t a huge need, but there is really no risk in signing him. He isn’t going to demand a big contract or anything. I have a feeling that if the Jets dont sign him though, the Dolphins might. He is going to want to play the Patriots twice.
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BT is not lost in coverage. People are making it seem like he runs into his own players and falls on his ass every time he has to drop back. Him and AT in this regard are even I believe.
I think BT is better against the run. AT is much better at rushing the passer. But I don’t think it’s as big of an upgrade as people make it seem.
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The fact is both would be short term players….BT is not going to be here for years to come. He is a short term fix until we find someone better. So if AD is better (which i say he clearly is) than you get the better stop gap player that knows the system.
I think everyone likes BT and think he is a good player but his ceiling is “good player” the ceiling on AD is more than that in Rex’s defense
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The ceiling for Ravens’ AD is higher. This isn’t the same guy. He’s not good at all. I don’t know what is expected of this guy, but I’d be happy if he went to the Phins he’d be demolished by the Brick.
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Brendan is right. And even with all else being equal, Bryan Thomas is younger and already part of the team which, at this point, needs to maintain some continuity. Those two facts should make this a very easy decision.
The Jets do not need another mercenary, particularly not one who can’t play anymore.
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I think AD could be better than Bryan Thomas for two reasons:
1- Like Drew said, his ceiling his higher than BT’s
2- This is the defense and coord that made him rich…Who knows what Jimmy Leonhard and Bart Scott would be if they played for someone else…but in Rex’s scheme they are tough, premier players…
Also, I know what AD’s stats were in NE, but BB also took Seymour away from the Pats, and their pass rush as a team is a shell of its former self, not to mention, Seymour was on AD’s side in the defense…at some point it was bound to backfire up there…AD is too short to play in BB’s rigid defense where OLBs set the edge almost all the time…AD would have more flexibility here
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Brendan,
In ’06, AD was All-Pro and left in the off-season to join the Pats and I thought he was the Pats’ best all-round LB that season. I’m not sure what the Bears reference is about. Also, isn’t looking at AD’s 2009 with the Pats sort of irrelevant? He was in the doghouse, coming off of injury and his role was more rigid in a system he didn’t like and with a declining defense. I view his last couple of years like LT’s with San Diego. If you separate the perceived decline of the player from the system’s overall decline, maybe the player is better than he looked. A healthy AD back in the system that made him an All-Pro projects, IMO, to be much better than BT, who has generally struggled as an LB.
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But what if AD plays like the AD from the Ravens if he comes here? it might be unlikely but its still a possibility. We all know BTs ceiling, but we dont know how high ADs ceiling is. Plus, its very doubtful that AD is going to be worse than BT. There is really no risk involed. Even if he is just 80% of the player he was with the Ravens, he is a huge upgrade over BT.
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IMO
B Thomas = Good player at best in Rex’s system
A Thomas = Good player at worst in Rex’s system
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Brendan
Two years ago AD was on the Pats and sacking Eli in the Super Bowl…next year he breaks his arm badly…and the year after that BB trades Richard Seymour and Vrabel, and now every player on the Pats defense regressed (excluding Wolfork)…
Scheme is way different in Pat land, much more rigid and not as exotic in the blitz package
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People, Adalius Thomas no longer has the same ceiling. He’s old now. He’s never going to be the player he was four years ago. Contrary to popular belief, Rex Ryan is not custodian over the fountain of youth.
Everybody thinks that just because Ryan is involved, that somehow means that the Jets are no longer constrained by the rules of nature.
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SD,
I referenced the Bears trying to show that things drastically change in short periods of time. Bad example, sorry.
And I don’t disagree that AD would be much more productive in this defense, with these coaches. I’d be a fool to argue with that, to be honest. I just don’t think AD the player is even remotely as good as he is. I understand he was injured last year, but his body is older, so maybe he’s going to bring those problems with him, wherever he goes. I also think he’s going to want starter $, and that’d be incredibly short-sighted if the Jets gave it to him. This is a stop-gap depth player we’re talking about, so I think AD’s demands and the Jets’ needs aren’t going to level up.
But in terms of BT vs. AD, it’s a guy who is steady, unspectacular, but solid vs. a “could be” guy (as in “could be very good” or “could be a trainwreck”). If the price is right I’m all for it, but I just don’t think AD is very good anymore, plain & simple.
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reality jey fan says:
Eddie , how the pooch bro?
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The “mercenary” system worked well for BB when he joined the Pats and brought in as many defensive players that he had coached as possible. BB’s 2001 championship team had 5 players on defense that had played for him in the past: Bobby Hamilton, Bryan Cox, Anthony Pleasant, Roman Phifer and Otis Smith and all made major contributions. If adding AD improves the defense and the cost can be recouped by releasing BT, it’s a no-brainer.
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Dude he’s 6 months old and hes 70 f@cking pounds!!!!!!!!!!
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JetsFan65 says:
Forget AD…
Lets go after Merriman!!!!! He’s a beast and only 25. Would thrive in our Defense. That would definitely put us in position to win it all.
Too bad it won’t happen.
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But he’s not going to improve the defense. He’s going to make it older and slower.
I’d rather that the Jets pay him to go play for the Dolphins.
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Another point that Bent made a few months back that I thought was excellent…
Bart Scott and DH both were hampered by ankle injuries down the stretch…a healthy AD with knowledge and experience playing ILB in Rex’s D could have helped the both of them stay a little more fresh out there
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Thats awsome bud
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Eddie,
That’s one of the main reasons I’d accept a cheap AD signing. Key word: cheap.
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Jets = (Less) Misery, on April 27th, 2010 at 1:33 pm Said:But he’s not going to improve the defense. He’s going to make it older and slower.
I’d rather that the Jets pay him to go play for the Dolphins.
But as SackDance already stated, all those guys BB brought in 01 were cut from the same cloth…released by their team because they were “old and slow”…but they knew how to play the scheme TOGETHER as a UNIT and beat a more athletic, faster Rams team INDOORS at their own game…its not all about Madden ratings
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You do make a good point Drew, but AT is not that much better than BT to where it will be a noticeable difference on the field.
And AT is a player who has digressed each of the last 3 seasons – also I do not think it is wise to keep stocking our defense with players who are on the wrong side of 30 years old.
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Brendan
Totally agree…CHEAP…that goes without saying for me…short term deal…if its anything besides that forget everything I wrote
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reality jet fan
His hair those is short and sticky…got rid of my leather couches before I got him…big mistake
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Ididnt know that about there hair?
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I tell you its really gona bother me without leon.We drafted him, thought he would be a jet forever, and we got him for the herm edwards deal.I know the leg but i was really excited for to watch his career as a jet.
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Brendan,
I don’t think “could be a trainwreck” is even in the analysis. I only see upside because AD is just flat out a better player and his physical decline would have to be substantial for him not to be better than BT in this defense…the one that made AD an All-Pro.
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Yea man…freakin sticks…like little hairs that come off your face when you shave with an eletric razor…
Hes cool though…hes been pretty good with the training…starting to come around
Hes my boy…I do everything for and with him…my wife is a 135 lbs…she couldnt move or do anything with him if she tried
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and if she knew I posted her weight on the internet Im getting divorced
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I am sure. they are beautiful dogs
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It would be your last post.
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Yea but Leon’s leg is mangled though dude…we all tried to make excuses and stuff because he was a Jet…the break was actualy worse than I thought…it was a Thiesmann type break…thats why his value was so low
It sucks without Leon, because your heart was for Leon, but if they resign Mangold, Brick and DH with some of that money, at the end of the day, thats life in the NFL
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SD,
Come on. You don’t see a downside? At all? We’re usually on the same wavelength but I can’t get on board if you’re trying to tell me this is a full-proof signing. Two wasted years isn’t something to disregard.
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Leon never gets hurt…Greene and Leon are our two backs
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I know just really excited about him
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hank/naples says:
GG:
I am quickly losing respect for Rex Ryan, one of the FEW i still respect in the Jets Organization.
I know he is a smrt person (some times) but he must be on the verge of being dilusional when he says that ” AD is a combination if Banks and Taylor”
Ryan MUST mean Jason taylor because AD could NOT hold Carl Banks or Lawrence Taylors Jocks!!!
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Yeah, when Leon initially broke his leg everyone thought it’d be a non-issue. Everyone thought it was the same as Darren Sproles leg-break. Except Sproles broke his fibula, which is the less important non-weight bearing bone in the lower leg. Leon shattered his tibia & fibula and that is the Theisman break.
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reality jet fan
Thats the part of the NFL that I hate…I dont blame the Jets or the player…its the system
They have to start letting teams carrying 60 players on the game day roster and up the salary cap
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Now eddie you know that espn banned there guys from mikes show?Whch i feel is a coward move.
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Hank,
I can clarify that quote for you. Rex wasn’t saying AD is those guys, he was saying that he see’s AD as a combination of pass rushing (which was LT’s bread-and-butter) and donig the dirty work (which was Banks’).
Here’s the quote:
“”To me, the guy’s like Lawrence Taylor and Carl Banks,” Ryan said of Thomas in a 2006 interview. “LT was a great pass-rusher, very fast, athletic and explosive. On the other side was Banks, who did all the dirty work, taking on blocks, stuffing the run, reading plays. Adalius is a combination of the two.”"
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Hank
The keyword is “combo”…Carl Banks never broke double digit sack totals…only had more the 5 TWICE his whole career
No one is LT’s equal in terms of pass rush, if he wasnt blowing coke and drinking, he would have put the sack record so far out of reach it would be comical…
But LT did things that Adalius THomas did in Baltimore, long INT returns for TDs, forcing fumbles…AD did that at great length for Baltimore under Rex
He didnt say AD was “better” than LT-Banks, just his skill set varies between pass rusher and strong side LB…making a mountain out of a molehill
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Brendan
Beat me too it…for a guy who plays on words…reading comprehension isnt his strong suit
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If RR thought AD was LT he would be put in a crazy home . The guy knws football
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reality jet fan
I know man…I was too…its the crappy part of the NFL nowadays…every team does it, and in Leons case when the guy is stand up, its just an extra kick in the balls
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That jersey will now be with my moss,pennington,drob,abraham,and leon.
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reality jet fan
I would have rather the Jets signed AD and not Taylor,
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Even though Taylor is a better pass rusher, always has been and still is, just like AD coming back and possibly sticking it to the Pats
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100 PERCENT YES!Ihate jason taylor and it will kill me if he gets 99!
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Eddie,
But what about Taylor coming here to stick it to the Phins. It’s pick-your-payback this offseason.
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Brendan i just think AD would care more . I dont know why but i do.
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reality jet fan
Im saying like in a perfect world, it just would have been nice to see Adalius stick it up BBs butt…
Taylor will take 56, BT should never give up his number for him
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Brendan
True…and thats a good point…just that recently Belichick has made it his life’s work to kick the Jets and Jets fans when they are down..if Taylor never made those comments though, Id want Taylor as a player more than AD…comments still sting but Taylor always plays hard, even if the team stinks
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I am a huge mark gastineau fan.My brothers friend wroked for the jets and for christmas he had the jets make me an authentic gastineau jersey
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Tell you the truth Id like em both…give Rex as many LBs that can play as you can…only drafted 4 players and only one on the defensive side of the ball…why the hell not?
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RJF,
Not a Gastineau fan, but regardless that is an awesome gift. I’ve got an authentic Don Maynard that I don’t even wear because I’m a drunken buffoon on game days and would surely ruin it.
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LOL! UNFORTUNATELY I MET GASTINEAU AND HE WAS ABSOLUTE A@#HOLE
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Brendan,
Guys get injured, they come back. Honestly, I see signing AD as risk-free because IF he’s healthy, he’s a much better player than BT. Yeah, usually we are on the same wave length, but not this time. I think you forget how good AD was in Rex’s system. He was a friggin All-Pro!!! His injury in ’08 was a broken arm (and, at the time, he was leading the Pats in sacks with 5…I would argue that he was still a very good player until his injury), not to his wheels. And, his 2006, even in the Pats’ system, was very good, including a great Super Bowl (2 sacks and an FF). And, he moved from ILB to OLB in 2006 when Covin got injured. So, he would be good depth at all the LB positions. Put AD back in Rex’s system and with his buddy, Bart Scott, and I think he’d be more productive than BT. The Chargers thought Seau was done and he was still a productive player for the Pats. Like Seau (but not as good), AD is a fiery guy and would play like like a demon against the Ravens and Pats to start the season. Without Holmes for those games, I’d take any extra spark.
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i wasn’t happy about the taylor signing. like i said when it happened, he better buy into the whole jet thing and put henne on his ass with gusto this season against the dollyphins,
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With Taylor the only thing that keeps me somewhat optimistic is that historically, players who are HOFers and have never won a Super Bowl and land on a team with a legit shot at one, always go balls out to get one…
Taylor always played to win, for the team, for the cause, no one has ever questioned his effort on the field
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Eddie you right he will play hard.
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Ohhh I remember how good he was. I remember almost putting my fist through a door when the Pats signed him because, as I said at the time, “Chad Pennington is going to get beheaded”. AD was a force under Rex, and I don’t forget someone that disruptive on defense usually.
And as I said to Eddie earlier, I would love to bring in AD, but at the right price. If he’s asking for starter-type money than thanks, but no thanks. It’s just not worth it. If he’ll come in cheaply and fall in line, be a guy who spells the other linebackers, rushes the passer, does the dirty work (basically a not-as-good version of his former Ravens’ self…than I am all for it.
It more or less comes down to price with me. I just don’t think the idea that he’ll approach his ’06 form is realistic. If he does come to NY, I hope you’re right. If he goes to Miami, let’s hope I’m right.
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haha RJF,
Was he really? Sounds right in line with everything else I’ve ever heard about him.
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reality jet fan
Unfortunately, Gastineau at the point in time you probably met him, had his various share of problems…
My dads best friend owned a car dealership in North Hempstead, LI and said the same thing you said about MG…didnt tip guys, mean and arrogant…then he met him 2 years ago and said he was a different person
Always appreciated the pass rusher he was, the guy just couldnt handle the fame and prosperity, but what sucks is people dont recognize him for how good he was, all they remember was when he was probably doing drugs, married to Neilson and his life was just a mess…
MG is a shame, but he was probably the greatest player no one remembers or acknowledges
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I would love to know the team that is going to throw money at Adailus Thomas coming off his last 2 years?
He has been labeled a system player and teams know it and they are already not spending big money on older players.
He will sign with a team he is familiar with ….. after he tests the market he will be here or another team that runs a similar 3-4 system
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Yea AD has to come here for a bargain…like Taylor did (the contract and what JT will actually make are 2 different things)…his play recently just hasnt warranted him being paid any different
The Pats just “backed up the Brinks truck” when they signed AD, and he got all his guarenteed money…he is set for life…come to the Jets for a few 100Ks more than the vet min, and get yourself a Lombardi trophy for your old coach who made you a rich, rich man
I really could see AD coming here and coming back to Rex and saying “Its time for me to pay YOU back Coach”
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Yeah when i met him it was about 6 years ago and he was clearly drunk. Now on the other hand i met lyons and klecko a few times and they were both awsome dudes.
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Drew,
No team runs a similar 3-4 system, which is why AD struggled in NE.
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reality jet fan
I hear ya man…feel for ya…a ton of big time Jets fans I know had similar experiences
If it makes you feel any better, the guys like Revis, Mangold, Sanchez and Bart Scott are all cool as hell…the guys we have now are all awesome guys
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Seems that way with new guys revis too good to be true
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Randy says:
What I learned from the Alan Faneca fiasco is that if we bring in AT, we would release Bryan Thomas(which would be dumb move).One thing we didnt upgrade was Safety and DE during the draft.with Sharper and AT out there, I believe we should make 1 more move on one of those 2 before Miami signs either.If we dont go after AT, Miami will sign him, (No doubt in my mind).Same with Sharper…
I think the best thing would be to sign Henderson to play DE and wait for Sharper to become available and sign him.IK it sounds like overkill, but if we are making a run at this, we have a chance to make this the best defense in NFL history.
seeing as the only guys we brought in from the draft that could make an impact is CB, LG and 3rd RB.we never addessed our DE or Safety needs.Something tells me, the reason for this is due to Mike T trusting enough to sign a A Thomas or Darren Sharper.
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Mike24 says:
I agree with Eddie…
I wish Taylor had taken more time to sign because i gotta believe if he had no answer goin into the draft, we would’ve signed AD within 5 minutes of his release. I hope somehow they can figure out a way to get him over here. We can really use the depth. So many guys go down with injuries from the first week of training camp, preseason, and regular season that a guy with his versatility is just such a valuable thing to have.
F$@k it….cut Jason Taylor….we just set 5 million bucks on fire with Faneca whats another couple million??? Lol
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I’ve met a bunch of football players as well and they were all pretty cool… With the exception of Chris Carter. He was a total douche and almost got himself knocked out by me when He acted like a total A-hole when i asked him why he hated on Pennington so much. Had nothing to say other than Chad Pennington blows. Of course i disagreed and took offense to his choice of words. And then it got ugly….
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WW85 says:
Really seems like a layup to sign him for 1 year. 1 roster spot, cut a QB.
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A layup until you realize that AD has to agree to such a deal (which he might be wholeheartedly against).
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James in TN says:
Cut Taylor and sign AT. Duh.
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You mean he’d be against it because he wants multi-year? Makes sense but he does want to be a Jet. No disagreement, though.
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AD made a mistake signing with the Pats and going for the money. You think he would’ve learned from that mistake. He’s already a wealthy man and would make over $1 million with the Jets. And, he’d be happier in a system he likes, with a coach he likes and a friend he waiting for him and he’d be part of a team shooting for a deep playoff run. Unfortunately, he’s likely another pro athlete who listens to his agent more than to reason.
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dakar says:
SackDance99, on April 27th, 2010 at 11:56 am Said:
Brendan,
But, AD is better than BT. IMO, it’s not close.
sacks speaks the truth…agree 100%…AT is much better then BT ever is/was…
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Monster#57 says:
faneca signed with az for 2.5 mill for one yr, plus we have green’s contract and sheppard’s 2 mill one yr contract. Has anyone heard about any potential targets for these contracts?
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Bent says:
Monster – it doesn’t work like that. Cut players (Lito, Faneca) and non-tendered RFAs (Green) are not UFAs and therefore do not permit you to sign a replacement.
Fowler, Izzo, Douglas and Dearth are the only unsigned UFAs the Jets have.
In July, any UFAs that are still unsigned and not tendered can be freely signed.
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Thomas Jones was cut and we signed LT with his contract, how is lito and faneca different?
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Bent says:
Tomlinson was cut too, so they didn’t have to match contracts. Cut players are freely available – for example Adalius Thomas and John Henderson. These rules only affect UFAs such as Sharper and Brunell.
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dang i thought i understood the final 8 rule, so if i am getting this we could hypothetically sign AD tomorrow any sum and not have to worry about it matching a contract a UFA we lost recieved from another team?
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david harris says:
yea u got it right monster. any cut player they can sign for as much money as they want, any free agent they need to match the salary of another free agent they lost.
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MaxJets says:
Wow, now any released player is automatically expected to go to the Jets. Some older players when they are released are looking for a “fatter’ contract. In any case, the Jets will not signed AT nor do I think Henderson. There still plenty of time to make the team better and/or address needs/depth. MMM…Merriman that’s an interesting conversation piece. I believe in whatever positions they can the Jets want to get both better and younger at the same time. I am also glad they will bring some kickers in for competition. The kid Petro from Michigan will be interesting to watch.
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The Jets also need another legitimate inside LB in case Scott or Harris get injured..AD is a decent inside LB so that’s another reason to sign him..He could also play DE so the Jets would not have to re-sign Marquis..With all the positions he plays, everyone would still get plenty of playing time if the Jets signed him..Woody is a cheapskate!!!
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Bent says:
AD has been Adalius’ nickname since school.
We should sign Adalius Thomas and keep JT inactivated for the entire season.