Not So Fast, My Friends
The New York Post has talked to sources close to both Darrelle Revis and D’Brickashaw (his agent Brad Blank) and gotten a contradicting report with a named source (the aforementioned Blank) to last night’s one in Newsday about the Jets making Darrelle Revis the hundred million dollar man and close with the team’s Left Tackle.
Despite their apparent leak to the contrary, the Jets are no closer to signing Darrelle Revis or D’Brickashaw Ferguson to new contracts.
A Newsday report yesterday claimed the Jets were prepared to end their ugly contract impasse with Revis by adding six years to the disgruntled cornerback’s contract that would make the total deal worth $100 million.
But Revis laughed off that report to friends, pointing out that NFL contracts are not guaranteed and that the only thing that matters — at least in pro football negotiations — is money paid up front in the form of bonuses and other guarantees.
Under the league’s current system, the Jets could cut Revis before any of the six years kicks in, rendering the $100 million figure meaningless.
People close to Revis said he considers the Jets to be the source of that leaked report and that he feels it was yet another attempt by the team to make itself look good while making Revis appear greedy.
The Jets denied leaking the information, releasing a statement last night that said, “Throughout these negotiations, we have expressed our appreciation and respect for Darrelle as a player and a person, as well as our commitment to finding a resolution that works for both sides.”
Revis already is angry at the Jets for what he thinks was their leak to an Internet site last month — also intended to make him look greedy — that said he was demanding $20 million a year. Revis is seeking $16.2 million a year.
The agent for Ferguson, meanwhile, took issue with the same report because it said the offensive tackle was on the verge of a long-term extension with the Jets that could be reached before training camp starts Aug. 2 “barring unexpected complications.”
That was news to agent Brad Blank, who appeared to doubt a deal could get done that quickly considering he has yet to receive a contract proposal from Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum.
“It’s hard to say that [you could get a deal done by camp] when you’ve never exchanged proposals and don’t even know if you’re in the same ballpark,” Blank told The Post yesterday. “We haven’t heard anything from the Jets.”
The interesting thing here is, of course that Revis’ camp isn’t denying the fact that the Jets have offered the $20 million … just that there’s no guaranteed money in the deal for Revis which is what he wants, but at $20 million a year (assuming it’s a legit offer the team has made, which I don’t know that I can) in two years with the team, he’ll make more than he would in guarantees. But in Revis’ mind, up front money equals both respect and security, something that he saw firsthand with the Leon Washington contract mess.
I said it before, and I’ll say it again, the Jets think that this is the Jets employing their Leon Washington strategy again … leaking stories to the press about outlandish offers to get the fans on their side. It seemed to work well with Leon, so the team is doing this again, and they’re doing it with someone who wasn’t burned by this the last time around.
That the Revis story that Glauber writes in Newsday also contains crumbs on Mangold, Harris and D’Brickashaw make it clear that his source is from the team, and maybe some of it, like the offer to Harris after this season, or that the team might franchise Mangold, might be true
But the D’Brickashaw component of this story only helps to triangulate Newsday’s journalism on the matter by Blank’s statements alone. Based on his statements in the Post, it’s worth jumping to the conclusion he was not asked for a quote during the Newsday report, since he would have likely shot down what the team had leaked to Newsday.
139 Responses to Not So Fast, My Friends
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War Machine says:
well there goes the niehborhood…
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jetsfan0906 says:
can we sign a petition and send it to the jets? why do we handle our players so terribly? Revis may be being greedy but hes the best give him his money
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hanknaples says:
jetsfan0906;
Will you stop with the “Revis being greedy” stuff.
Think about it.
1) Revis is the Best and wants to be paid like it, and
2) He’ll be in his 30′s and wants to be sure he does,’t get kicked to the curb(see Jones/ Washington just to name a few ‘LOYAL” players) at the back end of his contract.
Now what would you do in his place?
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Tom B says:
they don’t have to make revis appear greedy. he’s doing that by himself.
i don’t care how good you are, he signed a contract and he’s doing the same thing that he is accusing them of doing.
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Hes said being the highest paid in the league is important to him, that is being greedy while the rest of the country is struggling to find work Darrelle Revis feels the need to make it clear all he cares about is money. Hes gonna get paid. he has to stop acting like an idiot
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Brad says:
The Jets organization seems to be just angering their top players with these contract offers being leaked to the press. This is not good business! And this is going to bite them in the butt one of these days. They go all out to sign top free agents, but dont take care of their own. They are sending the wrong message to their drafted players. Horrible job by GM Mike T. !
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tyrone says:
revis the world does not have a guarante that we will all be here look at what is happening around the world enjoy your gift and play football when you make people happy you are givin the same happiness back right now you have money some of us in america are living paycheck to paycheck and my life is also in danger of getting hurt or being paralyze drunk driver a robbery when going to a 7 eleven you have no excuse the team has a problem its called league rules dont you think they want to sign you there are 7 other players that need to be sign between know and next year if we need to be a dynasty players also have to bend a little when it comes to salary you have made some money already if you have not set up yoor family with your first millions what makes us believe you will do it with the next .there are alot of ex players broke that had millions cause they were greedy and know they have nothin .work with whwt you got and you will see you have plenty cause when the hurracaines come and the world goes crazy the only riches you have is how you lived your life.
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Marvel says:
Revis is a clown .. I luv the fact that guys are letting his FAKE injury from a couple practices ago slide .. If Cro or Edwards would have pulled some crap like that people/the media/fans would be calling for their heads/jobs but this diva gets a pass .. I see a lot of people harping on the guarenteed money issue .. When you & I don’t go to work we don’t get paid but people only see the FO as the bad guys.. It’s a two way street, if he gets hurt after recieving a 50 mill signing bonus he’s not giving sht back so STOP with the B.S .. I hope this guy is forced to play out his final 3 seasons with no New contract, the when it’s time to re-up and the highest paid CB is making 11 he’s gonna feel like an A$$ (a rich A$$$) .. I can no longer stand this guy ..
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Jerry says:
Revis is asking for perennial pro bowl QB money based on one good year yea he is greedy.
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I kind of figured that the report yesterday was bogus since there is no way the Jets could have kept negotiations with Brick that quiet. The Jets really abuse their writers with this type of stuff.
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Green Goblin says:
Enough with Revis..He’s one of the greediest players in sports…Tanny should just hold Revis to the contract he willingly signed. Revis should blame no one but himself for signing that contract…Revis actually demanded to sign that contract with all those stipulations…If he had a bad year last year do you think he would be agreeing to take a pay cut?
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Bent says: Jason – i’m having a hard time figuring out what the Jets would have to gain by leaking the Brick story.
Is it possible this was just a bad source rather than some kind of evil plot to dupe everyone into signing for less money?
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dmazz says:
So damn tired of all this damn money and contract BS. Lets talk about points of interest. So annoying its like the damn Tiger Woods crap that was all over the news for several weeks.
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RJ says:
if the jets did leak this info (and someone like bassett should check with glauber to confirm if the jets were indeed his source since who knows where he got this from) then it wasn’t to make the fans think revis is greedy, but more likely to convince the fans that they’re willing to spend on their players in order to boost psl sales.
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Bent says:
Nope, not buying it, because they would have known there would be an immediate denial, which would have a negative effect, so they’d have been better off to remain quiet.
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ramble914 says:
All these guys are under contract! The Jets are not obligated to re-do their deals.
Someone above asked “why do we handle our players so terribly?” The question also could be asked why do the players treat the organization so terribly?
Revis demanded this current contract he has, in fact he held during his rookie season. The Jets gave him what he wanted and then planned the rest of their salary structure around that deal, I’m not saying that it was a major factor in their planning for the future, but when you figure what you can and cannot do, it matters. Now because Revis had a good year, he demands a new contract? I would not blame the Jets one bit if they said we”ll talk to you in 2012. What would revis do then, sit out 3 years?
I don’t like the way Revis is handling this one at all. IMO, he should be greatful the Jets are even entertaining the idea of a new deal, much less demanding it be done immediately.
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I’ll say it again: no guaranteed money and no new guaranteed money are different things. he already has $21 mil guaranteed, apparently he wants more, which is his prerogative. But constantly reporting it like there is no guaranteed money at all is bogus. He certainly needs a lot more than $1 mil guaranteed for this year.
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I’ll say it again: no guaranteed money and no new guaranteed money are different things. he already has $21 mil guaranteed, apparently he wants more, which is his prerogative. But constantly reporting it like there is no guaranteed money at all is bogus. He certainly needs a lot more than $1 mil guaranteed for this year.
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JEFFDOLFINI says:
I think they would leak the Brick story to try and move the Revis negotiations along. If it looks like they are moving along with the other players negotiations maybe Revis will feel compelled to get a deal done. What do you think Bent?
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TJBfan says:
The politics of football anger me…
Revis held out his rookie year but won’t honor what many thought was a high paid rookie contract.
Revis is holding out again 3 years later and wants this contract to make him the highest paid and full of up front money.
What does this mean to the Jets?
Well 3 years from now when Revis gets the bulk of this new contract and is set to make cap saving money on his contract he will hold out for yet another new one!
Thomas Jones wasn’t loyal, he had a front loaded contract and tried to hold out for more during cap saving years. Leon was not a starter but wanted starter money because the chargers stupidly decided to franchise Sproles.
I don’t condone the Jets method of damage control by leaked articles but players really can hold the game hostage. How many Jet player have given the home team discount? I don’t expect them to but all these contract hold outs are by players who act as if they signed one in the past….which is not the case.
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mole57 says:
Does Revis actually have anything guaranteed beyond the 1mill this year? Aren’t the fifth and sixth years option years? If he came down with a career ending injury this season, would he see any of that 20 mill? Someone straighten me out on this.
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BKWRXWgn says:
ramble914: I definitely agree and that would be the Jets playing some serious hardball. This way all they have to really do is focus on Mangold, Harris, and Ferguson’S contract. Bottom line the Jets can basically just say to the public “we’re still trying to work out an agreement and will continue to do so throughout the season” and that basically would pigeon hole Revis into shut up and play while earning your original agreed upon contract.
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Bent:
Why do people keep saying Revis has $21 million guaranteed ?
The fact is he does not hold ANY CARDS !! The Jets own the option, NOT REVIS !! Revis CAN”T make the Jets excercise that option !!
And, I would probably wager that even this year may NOT be fully guaranteed if he is injured!!!
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mole57:
You are right on!!!
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zenlaw says:
Doesn’t it seem that Revis cares much more about his salary than he does about winning? The more money Revis demands, the less money available to pay other players who will need to be re-signed.
I think Revis would have no problem seeing Harris, Ferguson and Mangold walk as long as Revis gets his $$$.
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If the rules do not allow the Jets to guarantee money after the first three years then, what could we possibly do that would make Revis happy? Why don’t we guarantee him like five million this year and kick in the remaining 20 million guaranteed now to make him happy.
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Bent says:
Jeff – no, because an inevitable immediate denial does more harm.
What Revis wants is an upfront signing bonus of probably 30m or something in that ballpark. However, the Jets – like most teams – are reluctant to do that in the year before a probable lockout, which would shorten the overall contract and increase the average. Also, it could be very poor value if Revis underperforms and gets hurt. Finally, having collected that sum, he might want another renegotiation down the line. CBA doesn’t prevent them doing that, the risk involved does.
Mole/Hank – Yes, if he suffered a career ending injury they could release him and owe him nothing (just like any other player with a year or more left on their contract). However, if he signed an extension, the option year is gone and the guaranteed status presumably secured. In the absense of a career ending injury, there is no way the buyback wouldn’t be executed.
The always-looming possibility of a career ending injury is the reason teams are reluctant to shell out big money, even to a fantastic talent like Revis.
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JetsFan65 says:
If this is the Jets who are leaking these stories then wow I am sad to be fan. These are ridiculous tactics and have not worked in any way for them. All it has done is caused players to gone, frustrate current players, and infuriate us fans.
If it’s the media then the Jets have some real bad luck because it only seems to be them to get stuck with this bad rep and it’s preventing them from further growth.
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LilRobbieRyan says:
@hanknaples:
Well technically he is being greedy, but then again anyone making millions upon millions probably able to be categorized as greedy, including Woody Johnson. So, lets get past the greed, because in football (or any major professional sport) it is a given that they make obscene amounts while so many in this economy are suffering. For the purposes of a pure football, amoral perspective the problem is pride. Revis does not need more money than he has made already to live comfortably the rest of his life if he invests and spends smart. But he feels he needs to make as much or more than any other CB, regardless of how unrealistic it may be. It simply will not happen.Additionally, Revis wants guaranteed money, and lots of it. With no set CBA he cannot expect a boatload. So essentially I do not see a way around the impasse short of a miracle on the CBA issue. He cannot afford to sit out the season from a professional or financial perspective. With so many people to sign, that $21 million over 3 years is a great deal for the Jets, and he has no real way out. It is business, and sadly for Revis, he signed a contract that was more than adequate for a good CB but short of being suitable for the best, plus the timing of the potential lockout could not be worse.
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Bent:
Revis knows, you, I the whole world knows,the real problemis that Tannenbaum takes the “opt-out” (which is STRICKLY OWNED by the Jets) clause to a new level.
This is exactly what Schwarts wants and will avoid !!!
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LilRobbieRyan:
Right on, right on !!!….Applause, applause !!!!
PS. Technically we all live in a greedy society. It’s our way of life !!
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greene says:
hanknaples,
Revis is a greedy because he knows we have no clue how the salary cap will look like but he sure doesn’t care that his 16 million will take away from signing other players.
Revis is the best, but when every other CB in the league (except Aso) only makes less than 10 million a season, i think asking for 16.5 million is GREEDY.
Peyton Manning’s old contract is 14 million a year, and his new contract is estimated to be 20 million a year. you really think a corner should take up 80% of Peyton Manning’s salary???? now thats crazy.
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Dylan says:
The numbers are meaningless if there is no guaranteed money. All you fools who are calling Revis selfish need to get a clue. Guaranteed money is all that matters. Ofcourse he isn’t going to take that deal. It really sounds like the Jets leaked the information about a 100 mil contract, in order to make Revis seem selfish. Unless we know the details of the contract though, its stupid for anyone to call Revis greedy. The Jets need to give him 12 mil per season, with about a 25-30 mil signing bonus. Nobody in his position would sign a contract without any guaranteed money though. The NFL is way too dangerous.
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Dylan:
You and I both know that CAP and 30%, 50% salary rules DO NOT apply to special athletes.
My uncle always told me that “Where there is a Will” there is a……”not a way.”…but a relative.
The only thing that counts is the Bling, jingling in ones pocket.
I love all these bleeding hearts protecting the bosse’s money. They are too drunk from koolaide to see that their Boss Owns them , and that he will take care of his own family (not yours)always FIRST !!!
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Joe B. says:
I’m no cap expert, but it seems to me that if the Jets can’t sign everyone, they should at least be in constant contact with them to work things out over time. It scares me that they haven’t even approached Brick’s agent about an extension and they appear to be dragging their feet with Mangold as well. I’m not totally taking the players’ side (I’ve been especially disappointed with Revis’ recent behavior), but at the very least it seems that the front office is doing a terrible job with communication, and that’s significant.
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Johnny Hector says:
Revis’ agent should make the Jets buy a PSL or PPL (Personel Player License) for the right to sign him to a contract. Then the Jet can charge Revis a PSL for the rights to buy tickets for his friends and family to the games.
Why not sign him for his 16.2 million a year. He get 8.1 now and 8.1 every 6 months. This ways he get the money he wants and the Jets are only paying him if he’s playing.
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greene says:
hanknaples,
you ASSUME Revis is the only “special” athlete. look how many studs we have on the jets team.
you pay Revis 16.5 million, Mangold gonne be all over it, his words will be,
“Revis got his due, WHERE IS MY DUE?”then who’s next? Brick gonna say, “Revis and Mangold got his due, WHERE’S MY DUE?”
and next thing you know, there is a cap in 2011, and jets have no money to sign anyone else.
special atheletes dont affect cap? thats a nice dream.
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Shamik says:
Basset, what the hell makes you think that the team is going around intentionally leaking these reports to make their players look bad? Have you never heard of Hanlon’s razor: Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity or incompetence.
Here, I’ll solve your problem for you. 20 mil a year/ 4 years guaranteed for Brick, Mangold, and Revis. We’ll make do at all the other positions with flag football players from Central Park. There, will that make all of you people happy? Its a freaking business. By giving away all this guaranteed money with no idea of how the future CBA and team finances will look like is a ludicrous way to run a business or a team in the long run!
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Dylan ..
Yea your right who would want a 100 million dollar contract ?*sarcasm*
Why do people act like non guarenteed money will never be seen .. It’s almost as if these players negotiate these contracts under the assumption that they will have a career ending injury week 1 .. Which is exactly the potential possibility that prevents the owners from dishing out huge signing bonuses.. Two way street ..
Revis has been a pro for how long ? And this is his second contract dispute.. Add the fake injury thing & you have a baby T.O .. Only a Jets fan could side with a CB that has 3 seasons left on the contract that he cried for ..
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SackDance99 says:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Revis trying to lobby for a contract in the court of public opinion? So, then, Revis says he’s upset when Jets management, allegedly, does the same thing? Revis is a great player and deserves a new contract. The Jets, however, have him under contract for 3 more years. The Jets are apparently willing to trade in that contract, which is incredibly favorable for them, in order to make Revis a very wealthy man. Where’s the give on Revis’s side?
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you know what revis is selfish and you know why cause non-selfish players care about the teams money situtations like Brady
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Bent says:
Revis has to realize that “I might get injured” is not going to convince the Jets that paying him a ton of money upfront makes sense. So, yes, these comments are trying to justify his demands, which by extension makes the Jets look bad, be that deliberately or otherwise.
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Jab says:
@Marvel – You have to understand that NFL contracts are notoriously backloaded. So even if its a $100 million contract for 8 years, most of that money will be paid out towards the end of the contract.
The Jets have already shown that they are not afraid of cutting or trading players away if they don’t want to pay them. That plus the fact that its easy to get injured in this league means signing an non-guaranteed contract is an extremely risky business for players.
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Bent:
I thought it was simply a PR ploy by the Jets. I think there is a feeling that the team is having financial problems because the seat sales are so poor. Usually the players are almost always looked at in a bad light when they hold out or threaten to do so over millions of dollars. When Revis took the field the other day it was clear whose side the fans were on and it was not Woody’s. I believe they just wanted to get the message out that they are offering Revis alot of money and taking care of the other guys as well.
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Jab ..
Come on man, you make it seem as if 90 out of the 100 mill will be scheduled to be given in year 8 .. Revis is a diva simple as that .. If it’s that big of a deal Revis should just play out his contract & split .. Not only does this guy want 16 mill per but he wants crazy upfront/guaranteed money (prob 40-50 mill) .. Never gonna happen ..
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Marvel,
The overall number doesn’t mean anything. Its the money upfront and the guaranteed money that counts. If the contract is backloaded, the Jets could just cut him with 2 or 3 years left, and he wouldn’t see most of the money. Plus, he could get injured this year and he wouldn’t make anything. The NFL is a business and Revis wants fair market value. Its a very risky profession. Most people couldn’t and wouldn’t do what he does. He knows that his career could end tomorrow, and he needs to take care of himself and his family. Quit hating on Revis. You have no clue what the actual details of the contract are, so calling him selfish is just stupid.
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Bent says:
Jason – yes, but it still doesn’t make sense to me to leak something that was obviously untrue and would be rebuffed immediately, thereby giving the impression that not only aren’t they doing what they’re saying, but they’re also having to lie about it. That’s why I don’t 100% buy that this was information they wanted out there.
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Greene:
No, you are right !!
And this is exactly the same reason why I said that Tannenbaum made a BIG mistake by going to Revis’s camp and approaching them to renegotiate !!!
He should’ve let “sleeping lions lay” and tackled first things first, Harris, Mangold, D’Brick, Ellis and on, and on, and on!!!
Now they all have front row seats waiting for their chance to take a shower in $$$$$$.
But you know Tanny, the Media whore !!
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hanknaples,
I know that somehow the Niners were able to give Willis. I’m sure that Tanny could give Revis a fair contract. I also don’t understand why fans are blaming Revis for this situation, when they don’t have a clue what is actually happening. It seems like most people can’t get past the meaningless “100 mil” which is all over ESPN. The Jets promised Revis a new contract, and now he doesn’t want to play out his existing one. Now suddenly Revis is a selfish “diva” and that Jets don’t need him. LOL what a joke!
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Bent,
If it is what the Jets wanted, apparently its working. Most of the commentors on here seem to be angry with Revis for some reason. I’m not sure who would leak the information though, if it wasn’t someone on the Jets side. I doubt Revis would want fans to think that he turned down a 100 million dollar deal. Even though its a lot more complicated than that, it still doesn’t sound good.
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How exactly could the Revis situation have been avoided? His contract is structured in such a way that renegotiation was likely discussed when it was signed in 2007. Why? Because Revis is slated to make just $1 million for 2010. Revis already held out when he was a rookie, Tanny had to know that if he didn’t raise renegotiation, Revis would. I don’t see how Tanny can be criticized by, in good faith, going to a prize employee and trying to make sure his 2010 salary approches market value. It’s just that the Jets and Revis’ team have vastly different ideas on what the “market” price is. Let’s face it, this was an issue that anyone in management with any reason knew could not be avoided.
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Merc20 says:
Dylan,
Why can’t you accept that the organization doesn’t want to pay aso money to Revis?
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Bent says:
Dylan – I expect every commented that is angry with Revis is just as angry over him wanting a huge upfront payment or 16.2m/more than Nnamdi (but over a period of time twice as long and having not played out his rookie deal and been franchised for a year first, like Aso was) and the fact he won’t budge from this demand even though it could prevent the team from signing other key guys. I doubt anyone was siding with him until this recent report, then were swayed by it.
At least Mangold, Brick and Harris should be more straightforward in terms of the highest paid player at each position setting a reasonable ceiling.
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As an aside, you have to love Florio’s latest on the Sporting News, saying that neither the Jets, nor the Pats will make the playoffs this season. So, I guess that means the Fins win the AFC East over the Pats and Jets?!? I mean, I guess I can understand the haters believing the Jets could stumble, but the Pats with Brady at QB have only failed to make the playoffs once. Of course, I think the Jets will win the AFC East, but it seems quite a longshot that the Fins will leapfrog both the Jets and Pats.
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And Organized Chaos,
If Revis’ intent is to opt out of his contract after this year… then the lockout comes and he will be negotiating a new contract at 28 years old and still looking for a big payday, he will get it from someone, but it wont be for an avg. of 16 mil.
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Nostra-Freakin-Damus says:
Revis’ current contract provides him with enough money that him and three generations of his family could live more comfortably than most Americans without ever having to do real work again.
He gets paid to PLAY A GAME.
People who put their lives in danger every day to provide essential services in this country are barely scraping by living paycheck to paycheck.
I should give a rat’s ass about Revis’ demands why?
Every once in a while it’s possible to lose sight of the fact that this game that we love to watch is played by the same dumb jocks that date-raped the cheerleaders in high school, got superstar C’s in college classes they never attended and have generally acted like a bunch of over-entitled nitwits since the day they realized they were stronger and faster than the other kids.
Thanks for the reminder, Revis. Screw these guys. I’m not casting another eye their way until gameday. If Revis is playing, fine. If not, who cares.
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Bent says:
Merc – The thing is, the Jets ARE prepared to pay Aso money to Revis. All these “unacceptable” offers have contained a stretch of three years with equivalent money (despite the fact Asomugha almost certainly won’t receive the 17m he is due in the third year). They just aren’t going to do it over a six year period (which has never been close to happening in NFL history for a CB) or with the big money upfront (which screws up the pay structure).
To accept otherwise is unrealistic from Revis and his team. Tannenbaum has said all along he will resign him “within reason” and those demands fall outside that, unless there’s incentives and/or backloading involved.
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Bent,
Ofcourse he is saying he wants Aso money, but that doesn’t mean he is actually expecting it. I still believe that if the Jets offered him about 12 mil per year with a big signing bonus, it would get done. If the best deal the Jets offered him was 100 mil without any guaranteed money, than I don’t think Revis is wrong. We don’t know the contract details, so to call Revis selfish is stupid. If you clearly outplay your contract I think you deserve to get a new one. Just like if your underperform, you deserve to get cut. Its not like the NBA or MLB where contracts are guaranteed.
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You can’t compare his salary to every other hard working American, since basically nobody can do his job. Its totally ridiculous calling him selfish because he makes more than all of us!
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OtisMyMan says:
HankNaples
What in God’s name are you talking about with protecting the boss’s money? Because there is a cap, the ownership is going to pay out roughly the same amount to the players regardless of how big Revis’s contract is. Revis holding out for more doesn’t hurt Woody, it just hurts his teammates that also need to be signed because there is less cap space remaining for them.
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tish says:
To paraphrase, It aint over til the fat man (Mr. T) says it’s over
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are-tee says:
“As an aside, you have to love Florio’s latest on the Sporting News, saying that neither the Jets, nor the Pats will make the playoffs this season”
Sackdance, the article that I read in TSN was the six 2009 playoff teams most likely to repeat. There are twelve teams that make the playoffs, so leaving two teams off doesn’t mean you think that both won’t make the playoffs.
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Dylan ..
You sound horrible .. Revis has already said he wants to be the highest paid CB .. So fair market value(10mill per) is not what he wants.. And your injury point is the exact reason why the F.O won’t give him some absurd signing bonus..
I’ll tell you what I do know .. I know Revis has 3 years 21 mill left on a contract he faught for .. Not to mention he’s already banked a cool 10 mill (not including the boat load of indorsments the NY media outlet has provided him with)..
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Bent says:
Dylan – Yeah, I’ve said several times it isn’t fair to bash either party without knowing full details. I’m trying to understand it from both sides.
Of course he wants a huge sum upfront, but there are clear reasons why that’s not possible, especially with the current cap situation (or at least that the Jets are very reluctant).
I’m sure there’s a middle ground there somewhere, though.
It’s a real shame for the Jets that the NFL insisted on the 30% rule applying to these deals (which came as a big surprise to teams when it was announced), because otherwise I think there would be no problem in locking everyone up. However, if they don’t manage to re-sign everyone, they won’t be the only team to do so, which will mean some talented players hit the market and the Jets should be able to replace anyone that has to leave.
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gt73 says:
The whole thing makes me more and more certain that a lock out is inevitable in 2011. God help us.
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You know what….screw it it’s a beautiful day outside, I’m wearing my revis jersey. Maybe it will be a good omen and by the time I get on this page tonight it will say “revis signs for reasonable deal, both side happy” but I doubt it.
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Oyea how would Nike & Gatorade feel if we shipped this guy to the seahawks .. People act like all he has is NFL money .. He’s playing people like Dylan for fools .. He just wants all of Woodys money ..
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Bent,
Yeah I’m definitely not saying we should all be blaming the FO, I’m just saying that its foolish to blame Revis when we don’t know the contract details. I’m defending Revis, not bashing the Jets.
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Marvel,
Lol dude shut up already… YOU DON”T KNOW THE CONTRACT DETAILS!
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starz31 says:
Everyone’s bashing Revis but it seems everyone is forgetting what started this all. The jets APPROACHED Revis after the season saying we will re-work your deal. your rookie deal. it wasn’t the other way around. On top of that you have your coach proclaiming to the media that Revis is the best defensive player in the NFL? Revis is not deaf. you have your GM proclaiming he wants Revis to retire as a Jet.
If you are hyped at your job and told we will address your contract in the coming months and then when that time comes they try to shortchange you and they go back on their word. That’s ridiculous. This is his rookie deal, first off, and he has outplayed it. Second, the TEAM APPROACHED HIM to saying they will re-work his deal!
You gotta see this from Revis’ point of view…
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um says:
NFL teams should just do away with guaranteed money. U get paid for the current year only. U suck, don’t want to play for the team, get hurt… that’s part of the game. It the risk u take for the amount of money u make. U get old and lose 3 steps u will get replaced if a better option is available.
U want money in the event u get injured. Take out insurance.
Just take a look over at the redskins… who always way over pay free agents to get them on their team. Haynesworth got huge bonuses ect had a mediocre season… and now doesn’t want to play n wants to be traded. Only problem who wants to pay his salary? Who would want
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Nostra,
You do know that Revis plays in the NFL, right? Revis plays a game operated by a billion dollar corporation. revis plays a game for a team that is extremely profitable.
The NFL and teams like the Jets make their money off producing a game played by stars. It is then unreasonable to bash a player that wants to be fairly compensated for what he provides towards that product. He has outplayed his rookie contract, thats the business side of things here. He was promised a new contract, with 3 years left on it, something the team was not forced to promise.
These players are not foolish. They understand the business side of things. unfortunately some fans forget this is a business not just a game.
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Marvel
That’s good that he has those endorsements but if he gets injured do you think that Nike or Gatorade will stick around? I don’t think so. For example Bo Jackson was considered the best all around athlete of his time had endorsements from two sports, suffered a career ending injury and it was all gone. That’s why he wants the guaranteed dough.
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Dylan..
Revis’s current contract is public knowledge so .. But it’s clear how you feel so ..Starz31 ..
They made him an offer .. That was the promise .. They never promised to give him Aso money so that argument is weak ..That’s enough for today .. This guy really has people on his side for reasons I’m too stupid to understand .. Peace guys
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Marvel,
How do you not understand that when you publicly proclaim one of your employees to be the best at what he does in his business and that you promise him a new contract and then when that time comes to sign him you offer him below market value? The employee was told his worth towards the team, and its a very valuable worth, but then you try to offer him below market value? -
Dylan,
Yes, and his current contract pays him 1 mil this season. Plus, the Jets promised him a new one.
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Brendan,
I do understand that. And that gives me reason to hope. Theres 6 weeks to go before training camp. I was never concerned he was missing OTAs. I just want this locked up before training camp. Cause you better be sure HBO will love if its not.
I’m just trying to shed some light on the situation because I think revis’ stance is not unreasonable, yet. And I think some fans understand that and some do not.
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Marvel,
Woops, I went to copy and past on your comment, but accidently copied my own name. Sorry for the stupidity lol!
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Brendan,
Yeah I’ve had a long week lol!
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Starz31
Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhh … Are you serious ? .. No you can’t be .. Your addind 1 + 1 but your gettin 4.. I’m done ..
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Brendan,
Yeah, I’m not going to blame Revis or the Jets FO since I don’t know the contract details. Obviously, Revis demanded too much, and the Jets lowballed him. Thats just part of the game.
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Yes Dylan ignore the 10 mill he’s made & ignore the 20 mill he will make .. I can’t argue with sheep ..
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Marvel,
Just because he made a nice amount of money doesn’t mean he shouldn’t get paid fair market value. You are also ignoring the fact that the Jets came to him and promised him a new contract.
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Am I in the twilight Zone .. ?
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Nick says:
They promiced to extend his contract, they never promised to make him the highest paid player at his position. That seems like an obvious distinction.
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Marvel,
Whatever, this argument is going nowhere. If blaming Revis makes you happy, then so be it.
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No actually, I keep getting 2 as an answer, so I must be doing something right.
Its actually fairly easy to connect the dots. Rex Ryan’s scheme last year worked wonders BECAUSE Revis gave him the luxury of not having to worry about the opposing teams #1 player. Revis was snubbed for DPOY. Rex made sure everyone and their mother knew that. The Team APPROACHED Revis saying we will sign you to an extension. the GM and coach are on record proclaiming the value of Revis. We are a team built to make a serious run this year. Revis knows, Rex knows, and Tanny knows, that is not happening without Revis. .
Regardless of whether it was just a first offer, revis knows his worth and is willing to hold out until the team offers him market value. Unfortunately that market value is skewed by the brilliance of Al Davis. Doesn’t matter, thats done. I’m sure they could get the average-per down if they add some guaranteed money upfront.
How else do you want me to spell it out for you?
My whole point is Revis is not being unreasonable right now. That could change, but right now his requests are very reasonable because of what the team promised him, his importance to the team, the public proclamations of him being the best defensive player in the league, and because of his value to our success. Why else should he settle? Would you? -
Nick, I understand that. But he is the best CB in the NFL right now. He knows it. The teams knows it. And Rex Ryan has let everyone know it. Why should he not cash in on his value?
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Starz
You’re also confusing Aso money with fair market value. Aso is absurdly overpaid.
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Randy says:
This contract situation really takes away some of the excitement of the opening season. Jets at this point need to just sign Revis to an extension and get it over with because the Jets nor their fans need to be put up with this kind of news on a daily basis. Its causing too much media attention within the locker room right now and the players nor Rex Ryan need it.Its becoming too much of a distraction.Give Revis a deal already and move on with things..
At least if a deal is finished with Revis early, we have time to negotiate players like Mangold, Brick and Harris.All Hard Knocks is going to be about is “THE CORE” wanting contract extensions.The rest of the league is going to look at us funny if we cant sign these guys.
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I also thought someone on NFL Live including Ted Brusci brought up terrific points about Revis yesterday. One analyst pointed out that only reason he isnt getting paid ASO money is BECAUSE ASO plays in Oakland.They overpay him so he will stay with the Raiders and not request a trade.
Brusci went on to say how the Jets are a different situation than the Raiders and Revis should understand that. he pointed out that the reason the Patriots were able to win titles was because good players had to make sacrifcies in order to keep their supporting cast on the team.
THATS EXACLY what Revis needs to understand.Sure he could be paid like the best Cornerback in the league,but that also might mean his core teamates will have to leave due to not playing for a good contract.
Revis needs to undertstand its a business and he will get paid a good amount.If he REALLY wants to win a championship, than he will have to sacrifice some money like Brusci pointed out in order to keep guys like Mangold,Brick and Harris around.
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Randy, I totally agree with you view. That’s what I’m hoping gets across.
I was just trying to shed some light on Revis’ POV. Do we know what his first offer actually was?
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Randy,
The Jets can offer him contracts until they are blue in the face, if Revis doesn’t want it they can’t force him to sign it. So wishing it away won’t work.
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Marvel, I totally agree with you. I don’t feel sorry for Revis at all. He has already made more money than I ever will. Play and stop whining! Don’t sign a contract unless you are willing to honor it. Take a page out of David Harris’s book. He deserves a contract before any of these other guys!
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Just cause some is the “best” at their position it doesn’t make it automatically okay to get paid more then some other team is giving someone else. Every team is madeup differently. Some make good decisions some make really poor ones.
Money doesn’t give you the title of “best”, nor does it validate that title. Your play validates it.
The pieces of the pie you get is dependant on the salary cap and the salaries of your teamates….not how much$$$ the nfl or ur team makes!
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Merc20
Yea I actually went in a hwole different direction with my second post.Im saying revis deserves his money and Jets need to push this issue behind him, but at the same time Revis hasnt accepted any offers.
But if anything Brusci nailed it when he stated Revis should make a sacrifice when it comes to keeping his teamates around him.
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Revis does have to understand that we are not the Yankees and we cant go out and sign everyone to ridiculous contracts with No Salary Cap to be an issue. Jets may have the money, but the NFL might bring back the salary cap with a new CBA next season possibly.We have to work out this issue like their is a salary cap.
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Merc20 revis can passup all the contracts he wants. He still has 3 years on his current one. If he doesn’t play he doesn’t get much money. And 3 years of holding out won’t do him any good with contracts from any team!
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Tom in Raleigh says:
If Revis wants Aso money, he is out of his mind. Having some guarunteed cash? Good stuff. Not unreasonable.
There is nothing wrong with him wanting a new contract a year after desrving defnsive player of the year honors. The guy can play.
The Jets approach to “their players” is not applicable here. Think of the players who they did wrong by: Kendall,Leon, Jones? None of these were bad decisions.Revis is different though. This is a guy that they need to take care of. Make it go away and go win the Superbowl.
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Browning's Nagle says:
TRADE HIM… trade him, trade him, trade him! Get it over and done with now and TRADE this fool! Please Tanny… get Revis the F out of NY. I am so sick and tired of following this crap on a daily basis.
I was so excited for the upcoming season… now, I can’t stand even talking about the Jets.
Revis is a immature little *****… intentionally hangin his dirty laundry out for the public to see. He and his crappy agent are obviously doing this on purpose. And you know what, I belive their effots are failing too… almost every Jets fan I know wants Revis traded NOW while he’s worth a pile of top quality draft choices.
Honestly, I don’t care if he’s one of the best CB’s in the NFL, if not the best CB… he needs to get over himself.
If he wants $16-17mm p/ year… GREAT… get the F out of NY and go to a loser team in the basement… just like Oakland… b/c that’s the kind of team that can afford to overpay a greedy CB… a loser!
People… think about it… really think about it… we don’t need to pay out $16mm a year to Revis to succeed… he’s a luxury, not a necessity!
(1) CB doesn’t make the Defense… the Defense makes the CB!
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I agree Um, I wish this whole process never became a public p*ssing match. Revis saying the Jets are disrespecting him and potentially the Jets leaking contract offers; it’s all not good.
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are-tee,
You did not read Florio’s follow up article on the 6 teams who made the playoffs last season who would NOT return to the playoffs that includes the Jets and Pats:
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2010-06-18/six-teams-wont-return-nfl-playoffs-10
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Harvlis says:
I don’t think that the Jets have to compete with the Aso contract. It is not the norm in the league. It was an Al Davis cluster… I do think that they have to guarantee a good deal of his contract. I am sure that there is some kind of insurance policy that can protect the Jets, should Revis get injured during that guaranteed timeframe. This whole scenario should have been kept behind closed doors. I am getting sick of how many posts are talking about contracts.
Notice how, after players get huge contracts, they still aren’t happy. See Fat Albert Haynesworth, Julius Peppers, Aso, etc…. Money is not always the answer to happiness. I agree with those who think that Revis should look at the big picture. Even if he doesn’t get Aso’s money, his children’s children will still not have to worry about money.
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njdpelc says:
Hank-
“I love all these bleeding hearts protecting the bosse’s money”
The people who don’t wanna give revis the money are not doing it to protect Woody. They’re trying to keep this team packed full of talent. His ridiculous demands are hindering the signing of other players and will effect future signings with such a high amount for just a corner back.
We don’t wanna be the raiders with 3 super starts and 40 no body’s cause we can’t afford another decent player.
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CA JETS FAN says:
Everyone is so crying and worrying for nothing! SACK: the florio article is retarded. So Buffalo and/or Miami goes to the playoffs? ridiculous.
Trade Revis? Although at one time I thought it was a good idea, the guy has 3 years left on his contract. Let him act up and sign Brick and Mangold and Harris now and Revis and Braylon next year. Let Holmes play great and trade him for a 3rd next year and what a great value trade that was. Truth is he can cry all he wants, but when ASO is cut next year to save the Raiders money he will be less demanding.
CALM down everyone. it is going to be a great year and everyone is having a heart attack already…and oh by the way we have kyle wilson who could be a fantastic corner and buffer next year depending on his development and what happens with Revis and Cromartie…Lowery is also not a bad player. I AM MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE FOLLOWING then revis:
teh future of our line O and D line (jenx cant stay healthy all year and the brick and mangold are due contracts)
the future of our running game…what? yes the running game…TJ ran for 1400 yards and though Shonne is good I am interested to see what LT does.2 many old 1 year vets. with the lock out looming we have
J Taylor
LT
Braylon
Holmes
CromartieThese are very talented players ONLY playing for a SB THIS YEAR only.
lastly…to much hype..so many people love this team so much and it will either be a gelled wonderful array of talent or a disfunctional circus act..we shall see, but stop sweating Revis..he will play and he will play great.
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dakar says:
Revis already is angry at the Jets for what he thinks was their leak to an Internet site last month — also intended to make him look GREEDY — that said he was demanding $20 million a year. Revis is seeking $16.2 million a year…
if $16.2 million a year…isn’t being GREEDY…then i dont know what is…hyprocrite…
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To clear up some back and forth…
1. I do not believe that Revis is at all worth what he’s seeking… it would be a detriment to the teams ability to lock up other top-quality players.
2. So I say we should try and trade him… NOW! The reason I am in favor of trading him now, rather than later, is for (1) simple reason… what if he were to get hurt this year? You trade him now while he’s got top market value… and get a handful of quality draft picks.
3. Once you’ve traded Revis, take all the $ that you would have spent on Revis, and begin to to lock down other core players:
Brick
Mangold
Harris4. Re-evaluate other contributing players as the season progresses… such as Edwards, Cromartie, Holmes, etc.
5. Once the season is over, decide who stays and who goes.
6. Remember… eventually, we’re going to have to pony up $ for Keller and Cotchery… I do not want to lose either of those guys!
Just one mans opinion…
(1) CB does NOT make the D in Rex’s scheme… the D makes the CB!
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Browning:
Who would you trade him to and what for?
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The Browns for Eric Wright and two first round picks.
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I am not saying I am in favor of trading him but if we get to that points then that is what I would like in return.
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Eric Wright is no where near Revis talent. I just do not see that being a good deal with the 1st rounders either. Holmgren would not go for it either.
How about Champ Bailey and a 1st and a 2nd?
Or … you could go another route and start Kyle Wilson and trade him for a pass rusher and 2 1st rounders.. Dumervil?
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or we could get him out of the afc..IF WE EVER TRADED HIM..cant believe I am talking like this…to Green Bay for Charles Woodson (older yes) and a 1st and a 2nd.
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Bent says:
IF they were to trade him, it should be in two years, by which time Woodson and Bailey might be retired. Most likely he’d be traded before the 2012 draft for picks.
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Bent… why wait? What if he got hurt… then what?
Obviously I’d want them to trade him out of the AFC…
I’m not saying I’ve got the exact answer on where to trade him and for what compensation… but what I do know is that we could sure use all that money we’d be saving to sign a multitude of core players, which in turn would strengthen our team as a whole for a long time to come.
I’m dead serious… Revis, as great as he is… is not worth mortgaging our future on… let someone else do it.
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Bent says:
Just my opinion, but you have the chance to keep a guy that good for that cheap, trading him away is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
If he continues to complain, so what? He’s still going to play well (like Brandon Marshall did in a similar, but less fractious situation last year) and I doubt there’s anyone that could give us equivalent production that could be had in a trade. Why weaken a contender?
Obviously I am hoping it doesn’t come to this and they strike a deal.
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@ CA Jets Fan
See post to Bent
Also, i’m not saying we need to go out and get someone who’s exactly on Par with Revis… there are not many out there that would qualify. What I am saying is that overall… 4,5, 6 great players on your team is a heck of a lot better than 1 or 2 (even if it is Revis), which is exactly what we’ll get if we give Revis this kind of $.
And i’m not denying that Revis is one of the best… if not the best CB in the Game. But we don’t need 1 great player… we need a team.
As I keep saying… (1) CB does not make the D… the D makes the CB!
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@ Bent
I hear what you’re saying… I just think he’d be an ongoing distraction.
Personally, I’m over Revis. He was supposed to be one of the “quality character” guys? Now, in my eyes he’s gone out and reduced himself to a TO/ deion sandersesque sideshow clown.
I really do hope they go out and trade him prior to the season. Maybe I’m just jaded from all of this BS, but he’s struck the wrong cord with me and it’s gotten to the point where I could care less if he ever suited up for the Jets again.
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rusty sanchez says:
why dont these guys who get drafted in the 1st round start asking for only 3 year deals instead of the 5 or 6 years they sign…it seems like everytme they do good they want to restructure and it becomes a distraction
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the only thing that bothers me about revis is how he denied wanting 20 mil a year and said how he was insulted how that was leaked out but in reality those reports really werent that far off…i would love to have revis for a long time on this team but at what price?? theres going to be no quality players around him in a couple years cause lack of cap space
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Bent says:
1. They don’t want to be restricted free agents.
2. They want a higher salary earlier on in the deal and this can be achieved because the signing bonus is prorated over a longer period of time.
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Bent says:
That’s true. If he wants 6 x 16.2, but was already under contract for 3/21, then he is asking for an extra three years and 75m. 25m a year!
Even at 15m, almost 90% of the cap is intact. Keep the dead money down (which should be possible) and the rest of their roster will be just as strong as the rest of the league. Will they have to fill out the roster with UDFAs and veteran minimums? Yes, but Rex has shown he can get production out of such guys. I don’t see this as a complete cap killer.
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whats all the talk about he could be hurt?
Any player at any time could be hurt. As a CB, I think he is less likely to get hurt cause there aren’t people constantly pursuing him, and he gets to pick and chose his hits or the way he tackles.
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Bent says:
True and hopefully he’ll remain healthy as long as he is a Jet.
It’s Revis himself that keeps bringing that up as the reason why he’s insisting on getting money upfront.
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@ Um
I don’t know if anyone’s been saying that he ‘is’ hurt… I have been referencing the fact that if the Jets decided not to extend Revis and make him play out the next (3) years of his current contract, he could ‘potentially’ get hurt… I say, trade him now while he’s at top-market value..
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@ Um
Any player can get hurt. Asante Samuel has been hurt the entire Giant secondary was hurt last year and remember in the playoffs when we lost Strickland and Lowery against Indy?
I agree 16.5 is a lot of money and too much for anyone other than Peyton Manning or Drew Brees or Tom BRady. Look at Albert Haynesworth. When you get that ME first attitude you should not be on this team. If this is the REAL Revis which by all signs it could be (rookie year hold out and this), then frankly I do not want him. I live in Cali and I am a Laker fan too. Yesterday they won the title in a total team effort. They are a team that does not get all strung down in the money aspect of things:
(Lamar Odom took a pay cut, Kobe could get more in NY, Pau gets less than Max contract). This is the mentality I am for. I am never against a player trying to get paid and in the NFL it is all about guarantees, but lets be real. This guy has 3 years left on his rookie deal. Do not pay him now. I agree with Bent I guess. Let him play 2 years unhappy looking for a deal and then trade him for the picks. If he gets hurt, then we get less in return, but we got a few years of his skill level. If he becomes a locker room headache then get rid of him ASAP>
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jon in bk says:
Everyone who’s raking revis over the coals for wanting “aso money” is wrong, I think. He’s made it fairly obvious, imo, that he would settle for less than that- it’s all about the guarantee (or lack thereof), as Hank accurately points out.
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all will be fine the jets are just taking over and want all the attention fanaca /7mill jones/3.5 leon/1.7 12 mil now you know why they are not here.the jets no what they are doing if you notice july is around the corner and sept 13th its all a game
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actually its a good idea to play revis under his old contract pissed or not…he still has to play good to earn the money he wants…and since he wants to treat the team i love with disrespect…i can care less about him and his family…he can kiss all our asses…both sides and he still doesn’t deserve MANNING BRADY or BREES type money…
how games did revis win for us in his 3 years as a jet…i need some help here cuz i cant seem to remember any…and the last i checked…thats saying something about a guy who wants to rape our team for 16.5 mill a year…but i do remember him dropping a few INTs last year that could have won at least the ATLANTA game…hmmm…he’s clutch…
bent…
true samuel dropped that INT in the SB…but didn’t he
make clutch plays when he was in NE…i remember he did make a few INT in his time in NE where he picked off a pass and helped win the game for the paties… wether against us or philly or some1else…the guy can play…and i was against giving him 10 mill a year when it seemed every1 in here wanted him at the time…now i guess he’s worthless…i also think ERIC WRIGHT would be a good trade…i said this the other day…he is young and has just as many picks as revis…in his time in the NFL…and he is a rising star on a very bad team…with rex and patine he can become even better much quicker…just saying…and revis would have to play for his old coach who he went off on after his departure…just my thoughts…
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if CRO lights it up and gets 7 – 10 picks AND HAS A SIMILAR YEAR AS HIS ROOKIE YEAR…hmmm…do we sign him or do we let him walk and give revis an insane contract…something to think about…isn’t it…
i really agree now…if revis doesn’t sign the 100 mill. contract offer then let him play out his current contract …and hope CRO lights it up to take away all his leverage if he even has any…just my thoughts…
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The Eric Wright trade is a great idea!!!! Wright, and a first round pick in 2011 and a second in 2012 would be a great deal for all parties. If not, is Cleveland allowed to trade the just drafted T.J. Ward? If so, Revis for Wright, Ward, and their 2011 first round pick is even fairer..
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What about a potential trade with Dallas? Not sure what they’d have to offer, but I do know that Jerry Jones couldn’t help himself if Revis was available.
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And that would get him out of the AFC altogether…
Mind you… all this pure speculative talk based on if the Jets were actually going to trade Revis.
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James in TN says:
How much money did Revis make when he shot that commercial for Snickers where he is sitting in the back seat?
Seriously, Rex needs to get the team together with no cameras and have the I don’t give a @#$% about your contract speech to all the players. He should tell them that there are guys here making next to nothing who would gladly love to make this team and take their starting spots. If you want to play go 100% all out , if not then go the @#$% home because we don’t need you.
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Shamik-
I would abide by Occam’s Razor before I would abide by Hanlon’s. You’re going to attribute this whole thing to someone spilling the beans accidentally to a card carrying member of the press? That’s insane.
Occam’s by far is much more applicable here. Which in this case means that the simplest solution is probably the right one. Who has the most to gain from making Revis look bad to the public? The Jets. Who provides pressure to Revis via the fans by making his demands public and unwillingness to sign $20 million per year offers known? The Jets. Who told tales on four seperate players of which they hold contractual control? The Jets.
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Bassett,
If it’s true the Jets spilled the beans on all those players, I have no problem with it. Everyone of those players used the media to put the Jets on blast for not giving in to their contract demands. If they are going to publicly drag the Jets through the mud and not negotiate in quiet, then why is it wrong for Jets to do likewise?
Organized Chaos 
UGHHHHHHH, WTFFF!