TJB Hall of Fame: The Class of 2010
Thanks for all your comments and feedback during Hall of Fame week. In case you missed it, here are the 2010 inductees and their tribute articles:
Matt Snell and Emerson Boozer by Bassett
The Sack Exchange by Bent
Aaron Glenn by Angel Navedo
Freeman McNeil by R in CT
These join previous inductees Chrebet, Byrd, Toon, Martin, Namath, Klecko, Lewis, Walker, Hill, Grantham and Maynard.
So, who got snubbed? Who should be considered for the Class of 2011?
41 Responses to TJB Hall of Fame: The Class of 2010
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firstdown77 says:
Dedric Ward SNUBBED!!
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Dave75 says:
I absolutely love the Aaron Glenn add
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dknyj says:
Aaron glenn- nice player but not tjb hog material. Then you throw in the fake spike… sorry dude. Al toon?
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DK … this isn’t the RING OF HONOR, it’s the TJB Hall of Fame. It doesn’t all come down to the best of the best, it’s that but it’s also fan favorites, legends, etc. etc.
You’ll understand next year when Anthony Schlegel gets inducted. :P
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rollercoaster says:
Not a snub, but when is Pennington going to be inducted? I kn ow he left for our rival but still….
Also, Vinny.
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Jibes says:
Still playing I realize but Kevin Mawae was one of the top five Jet players of all time. Hope he gets his place someday – as well as a HOF induction. The best OL we’ve ever had IMO.
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cmart28 says:
No love for Brooks Bollinger?
And I have to agree with Brendan, I’m pretty sure he’s still the best statistical QB in team history, and probably the face of the franchise for this decade.
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Sorry, meant agree with rollercoaster
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I’m 42 so I didn’t see Winston Hill play…the OL’s i started with were led by Joe Fields, Marvin Powell (also worthy of being in the discussion, no?) and Dan Alexander. I still have never seen a 300+ pounder pull like Mawae and dominate like he did. Top 5 all time Jets and a HOF player…
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SackDance99 says:
In no particular order:
Marvin Powell, Mickey Shuler, Jerome Barkum, Rich Castor, Lance Mehl, Kyle Clifton, Bruce Harper, Joe Fields, Gerry Philbin, Fireman Ed, Weeb, and Walt Michaels. Mawae is a no-brainer after he retires.
As for Chad, I predict that the debate over Chad will rival the debate over Gastineau as the most contentious. I could NEVER advocate for a guy that celebrated victory on our field wearing the teal. That pretty much precludes Chad from ever being in the TJBHOF in my book.
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Bent says:
I have three guys that I think should be no-brainers in the next class. I’m not going to reveal who they are (because I like to leave it to you guys to influence the selections), but you guys have managed to name all of them at least once in this thread.
I am NOT looking forward to the inevitable Chad debate. Luckily, until he’s officially retired he is not eligible. It’s not like we can induct him as part of a group.
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Haha
The Chad debate will make the Gastineau debate look like a couple of kittens getting into a scuffle. Chad has his lifers, and people like SD & myself can’t admit a player who donned the teal and orange.
Also, I don’t know that Chad really did much to deserve a HOF nod. He was tough and accurate, but couldn’t get the team past good defenses in the playoffs.
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Bent says:
With Chad, he was an extremely popular player for a while. That along would have been enough to get him the nod based on our criteria…had that not changed later on.
Unlike with Gastineau, a closer look at the numbers weakens his case. His high completion percentage numbers were obviously a product of the low risk offense and (like you say) he failed to produce in a couple of playoff exits.
2002 was a great memory for me, with the exuberance he brought to the team. It’s a shame he never reached those heights again, but that was an exciting (if short-lived) time to be a Jets fan. And although it may have hurt him and the team in the long run, the fact he played through all those injuries deserves respect.
I reckon that the fact he went to Miami turned him from a certain TJB HOFer to a likely non-HOF’er, although we will see what happens with the passage of time. In a way, the fact he had a terrible game for the Dolphins in the playoffs (against Rex’s defense) actually helps his credentials!
Here’s the question: If you had to pick one…Who deserves it more – Chad or Vinny? Or does Ken O’Brien deserve it more than both or either or them?
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Earlier I was thinking that exact question, Bent.
I was trying to figure the order of the QB Hierarchy throughout Jets history after Joe Willy.
I mean, Vinny brought them the closest to a Superbowl, but his numbers overall are nothing special.
O’Brien always has to live with the Marino shadow.
Tough for any of the 3 to get in, IMO.
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Litedp says:
Wrong cb. Bobby Jackson was the best pre-Revis Jet corner. For the class of 2011: Harper, Fields, Powell.
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And, wait, how could there be no mention of Pat Leahy. Seriously, the Jets all time scoring leader by a HUGE margin.
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Bent says:
Leahy also had some very costly misses. He is absolutely hated by some of our less-forgiving readers.
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Le' Sean Roberts says:
Weeb Ewbank, Mike Westoff, Marvin Jones, Adrian Murrell, Otis Smith, Ken Obrien (think about it, which Quarterback had the longest tenure opposed to Namath…the guy didn’t stink, twas just about improving the team).
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I find that bull @#$%, O’brien living in Marino’s shadow……despite Marino’s talent he didn’t win a damn thing (maybe the AFC title). You think it would have mattered if Marino was on the Jets, bsince you can argue the Jets had worse talent than the Dolphins. I wish Peyton Manning came out that year, but Marino, c’mon.
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Marino is one of the greatest QBs that ever lived. I hate the guy because he was a fake-tan sporting Phin, but are you seriously trying to say it was his fault he never won? The guy did nothing but throw up huge numbers. If you ask any person that isn’t a fan of the Phins or Jets, they would pick Marino. So would I.
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Okay the, the worst thing you can do when you have terrible teams is to blame the QB (O’brien). GMs, coaches, they all get axed when their naiveness get exposed (after axing the current QB and acquiring a “better” one). I don’t hear SD fans crying about Leaf. It’s past history, O’brien did all he could do, outlasted an “average” QB’s tenure in the NFL. Again don’t try to put Marino on the Jets and expect the same results (don’t get it twisted buddy). Stop dogging O’brien and call out the stinkers on those Jets teams. You would be surprised bythe large number.
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Calm down….buddy.
If you think that Marino doesn’t factor into people’s feelings towards O’Brien then you’re kidding yourself.
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Brendan, Marino never played for the JETS….never had and never will….Go down to Houston, they’re arguably the second best team in the NFC South. They don’t have Peyton, can’t and will never. They don’t complain. They have Matt Schaub with a “competitive team”…talent. Don’t try to argue that Pennington is better…how many full seasons has Pennington played as a JET? Even in Miami he lost his job becuse he couldn’t stay on the field. O’brien did the complete opposite.
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Le’Sean
I literally have no idea what you’re getting at.
“Tough for any of the 3 to get in, IMO.” The “3″ being Vinny, Pennington and O’Brien.
I don’t think any of them were that good.
O’Brien also finished his career with a QB rating of 80, which isn’t good.
I bring up Marino because that’s who most Jets fans look at O’Brien and immediately think about.
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QB rating? When your team stinks that doesn’t matter. What, the QB gonna throw a Hail Mary, run down to the end zone and catch the ball? This isn’t the Simpsons will Nelson Muntz.
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the team averaged 7 wins under O’Brien. Their average Offensive ranking was 15, their average defensive ranking was 17.
They weren’t terrible.
Miami averaged 9 wins in the same time period, with a muchhhh better offensive ranking but a slightly worse defensive ranking. Were the Phins’ Rb’s or WR’s that much better than the Jets (if better at all)? No. Mark Higgs, Lorenzo Hampton, Troy Stradford? Those were the leading rushers during O’Brien’s tenure. O’Brien still got an effective Freeman McNeil, who is better than all those guys.
The main difference here is the QBs.
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15 is mediocre, who did O’brien had to throw to? Who did Marino had to throw to?17th in defense isn’t admirable. Put total offense and defense together, Miami comes out on top. The main difference wasn’t QB. The Jets teams weren’t good…admit it!. When it comes to AFC East opponents the Jets are known for stinking it up as a whole. That’s the history even though at some point the Jets were considered the better team.
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Al Toon? Ring a bell?
O’Brien didn’t have as good an O-line, but he also got to throw to Al Toon and had better Rbs.
If you flipped Marino and O’Brien, O’Brien isn’t going to be anywhere near as successful as Marino.
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Bent says:
Brendan/Le’Sean – Here was my take on exactly that issue from the other day:
It’s one of the most interesting “what if’s” out there though. Swap Marino and Obie and how would their careers have been different? Would Marino have remained injury free for basically his whole career with the problems the Jets had on the offensive line for much of Kenny’s career? Wouldn’t he also have had to force the ball to Toon later in his career due to a lack of talent around him and cutting his career short?
I’d imagine: yes, Marino would’ve won at least one, but had a less statistically productive career. Obie wouldn’t have won one but would’ve had a longer, more statistically productive career (borderline HOF?) and Toon and Walker would be hall of famers, with Toon regarded as up there with Rice. That’s just a guess though!
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david i says:
There are many more to be added….
Despite being one of the, if not the biggest d-bags ever, Gastineau belongs next, then Marvin Powell, Lance Mehl, and Mickey Shuler.
Kevin Mawae can’t go in until he retires.
Fireman Ed can’t go in because he is a mascot that reaped the benefits of many who came before him that led the stadium chant! If he goes in, the blond with gigantic breasts should go in before him, as she was a lot tougher. So were the drunken’ guys with the cards in the West end zone during the 80′s, the guy in the upper deck in the East end-zone…they all preceded him. F-Ed! LOL!
Chad can’t go in merely because he didn’t play long enough. One healthy season in an entire career never earned anyone status in any HOF, except Erik McMillan in Fantasy Football HOF the one year he returned 4 TDs.
Vinnie from Elmont gets in purely for taking us to the AFC Championship. On that theory, Richard Todd should go in as well, but he $#!& the bed in the game, so he loses out.
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Ben Nevis says:
Sherman Plunkett (OT, played in the 1965 & 1967 All Star games, Offensive Team Captain, was consider a HUGE O lineman back then, at about 350 or so).
I agree with Sack and Brendan on Chad: No.
Please, no Firemen Ed. Only players or coaches should go into the TJB HOF.
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It really would cheapen the entire Ring of Honor if Chad made it…I loved him but he got injured and simply wasn’t on the field enough for the honor. same with a lot of the guys being mentioned. The next group should be Chrebet, Mawae, Gastineau…maybe Freeman and Wesley.
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Harvlis says:
I just got back from Canton, OH where I stopped in at the Football Hall of Fame. I am sorry to say that, the Jets need some more representation there. We have Joe Willie, Don Maynard, and Weeb Eubank but — No Winston Hill and no Joe Klecko. We need to start making some noise so that these Jet greats end up where they belong — with a bust in Canton.
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Agreed on the Kleck ot the HOF noise. He needs to be in. If you polled offensive linemen from that era they’d say the same.
Realllyyy disappointed Kevan Barlow was snubbed LOL :(