Revis Holds Out as Jets Report to Camp
Player after player arrived in Cortland, NY this afternoon – with one exception. As the 5:30pm report deadline neared, word came from a source that Darrelle Revis was holding out. Unhappy with his current contract, Revis and the Jets had been hoping to rework a new deal prior to the start of camp, but thus far the two sides have not made any progress toward that goal.
His teammates across the board expressed support. “Darrelle’s gotta do what he’s gotta do,” said Dwight Lowery.
Kris Jenkins echoed Lowery. “I support [Revis'] decision. There’s 53 men on this team. In his absence we have to step up.”
GM Mike Tannenbaum outlined how the team has reached out to Revis to this point. “We offered him a long-term deal that would have made him a Jet for life. We offered him a short-term deal and we offered him a meeting. All those offers were rebuffed.”
Tannenbaum indicated that both sides agree on two things, that Revis has outplayed his contract and that he has three years left on that contract. Beyond that, things seem to be at an impasse.
Coach Rex Ryan is hoping to see Revis back soon. “He’s the best corner I’ve ever been around,” Ryan said. “I thought he’d be signed by now. We want to get Darrelle back here and be part of us. I know Darrelle and I know he’s missing it.”
Ryan also said that signing Revis to a long-term deal had been the team’s “No. 1 priority of the offseason.”
David Harris may miss Revis the most. “He’s my roommate so I hope he comes back so I have somebody to talk to,” Harris said with a laugh.
Now we wait to see how long this goes on. As a reminder, in 2007, Revis held out of his rookie camp for 20 days. SNY will have more on all of this on Geico SportsNite tonight.
As for the rest of the group, everyone looked to be in good form. Mark Sanchez showed up his usual upbeat self, proclaiming, “I”m ready to go.” He said he’s a little more comfortable this year but still far from where he wants to ultimately be. Getting down the timing with his receivers will be priority No. 1 for the next couple of days.
Braylon Edwards and his beard spoke with the media. He assured us that thus far, the growth was not impeding the fit of his helmet or chin strap in any way, but if it came down to that, the beard would have to go. It is currently unclear whether the first touchdown will absolutely be the impetus for a shave.
Laveranues Coles was in attendance laughing and smiling with his teammates.
Entering his 16th camp, 38-year-old Tony Richardson is still excited although he admitted that it does cross his mind every year whether he wants to put himself through another round. “I think that’s human nature,” he said. “[Especially] when you tell me I can’t leave my room after 11 p.m.”
There’s also an interesting update on Joe McKnight. According to one of my sources, when McKnight took the required conditioning test at the end of the offseason, he passed it with flying colors. The person I spoke to said that there are several issues at work with McKnight all of which revolve around a certain level of immaturity. Failing the test on Thursday, this person told me, may have once again been a case of the nerves. He seemed to have gotten himself so worked up that he just ran out of gas. Conversely, when he re-took the test this morning, he passed with flying colors.
This is going to be a player to keep an eye on. Clearly he has talent but if he can’t mature and learn to control himself and some of his behaviors, it could be a problem.
By the way, for those of you keeping track of the weight loss competition, Jenkins has won, beating Damien Woody and Rex Ryan. Jenkins who weighed in at 360 lbs, lost 33.6 lbs vs. 26.2 for Woody and 20 for Ryan. Jenkins still hopes to lose another 10 pounds. Ryan is protesting that his initial weight loss of 35 pounds after the surgery but before the contest began should count.
137 Responses to Revis Holds Out as Jets Report to Camp
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Dylan – see my last comment on prior article…
Also, found Lowery’s support amusing “Darrelle’s gotta do what he’s gotta do,” i.e., I just might get to play if all breaks right, yippe ki yay!
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As big as some are making this out to be. This isn’t really a big deal. It’s not Like Darrelle needs camp anyway. He knows the defense.
The Jets will cave and eventually pay him.
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ESACTLY! If they do were f#%#$%! They wont be able to sign everyone to extensions! Either Harris, Mangold, Cromartie, Santonio, or Braylon will be gone!
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Agree, but fact as some have pointed out is that we’re all of two whole hours into this and TJB nation has erupted…lots of emotion, not a whole lot of understanding of “his side, her side, and the truth.”
__________________________________________________I definitely agree with that. We know what Tanny and Revis have said publicly, but we have no idea what conversations have taken place between Revis and the Jets.
Haha yeah Lowery can’t be too broken up. I do think that if there is one good thing that will come out of Revis missing training camp, its that Wilson and Lowery will get to go up against the first unit offense.
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Wilson would’ve went up against the first unit anyway, as the nickel back, which will be his position. Revis is taking away from the number of snaps Wilson should see covering the slot. He needs all the practice he can get.
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A nickle CB doesn’t normally start. Normally 3-4 teams go 3 DL 4 LB 2 CB 1 FS 1 SS in the base set. Having Wilson match up against Cromartie or Holmes is only going to help him develop as a player.
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Hi. I know what a 3-4 defense is. In the NFL nowadays the 3rd CB is a borderline starting position. Wilson needs reps there so he’s comfortable, since he’ll be playing more then 1/2 the defensive snaps.
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My point is more that with Revis out, the other guys will have a chance to match up with the Jets best WRs. Obviously it would be nice to have Revis back in camp. Just trying to find a positive spin on it.
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The only positive comes when Revis stops being unreasonable and signs. He can’t have more than $9 million this year and the Jets aren’t going to front load his deal with $25 million of bonuses and such.
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You have no idea what the Jets have offered him, so calling his demands “unreasonable” is ridiculous.
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I think they are hoping Wilson will match up with well with the passing teams like NE. He will cover Welker or Austin Collie. Maybe start with Revis if we loose another CB.
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Bent says: Great update from Lisa!
McKnight stuff is intriguing and she got a quote from the DH. Wow!
Why the hell would Revis and his team turn down a meeting?
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I wonder if the McKnight thing is maturity or he is a head case? What will happen when he is needed and the game is on the line? We will see.
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AS to your last point it’s all simply posturing, but I’ve always subscribed to Harvard B school theory put forth in a book called “Getting to Yes” (great read)…the evil ones at PFT actually summarized it pretty well “it’s hard to get too worked up about the move, even if you are a Jets fan. It would have been a stunner if a holdout didn’t happen. It will be even more surprising if the two sides can’t reach a deal after a few more weeks of rhetoric.”
p.s. just think Michael Crabtree last year (agents telling young men, “just wait, I can make this happen for you”…not that I expect anything like Crabtree holdout to happen, even if Uncle Sean is one of his primary role models/advisers and family pride rests on following in his proverbial footsteps because while Revis may (or may not) be acting dumb right now, he ain’t stupid
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alot of people in jets nation have been waiting for camp only now having this problem over a player that still has 3 years on his contract.you players never give money back to the organazation when you have a bad year .you still get paid .but i guess its all over they would have to give a new contract.and i dont see it not with harris /mang/next year cromarte holms edwards so i think revis will be traded
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Settle down with the trade talk. This is hour 3 of a holdout. You can be mad at Revis, but we don’t want him elsewhere.
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I completely agree he held out as you know for 2o days so I hope this will be resolved soon.
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jenks is a freaking monstorous human being. i dont know how a human can weigh 360 and really not be fat. i cant wait to see him clubbing over centers again this season!
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Jenx may be the solution to the McKnight woes.
Just bunk Joe with Kerry at camp. You could add ‘Scared Straight’ to the themes of ‘Hard Knocks.’
Joe would settle into a groove very fast. He’d be too terrified not to…
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im already accepting this and ready to move on he could have had a great year and went down in history as the best 2 corners in the game.cromartie and revis wilson pool was going to be a terror
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Bent says:
Didn’t you say you were going to go to bed a couple of hours ago?
:o)
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Take it easy man. Players hold out all the time. If he is still holding out when the preseason starts we can get a little worried. But its way too early for that right now.
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Marvel says:
Mevis is and will always be a Clown in my eyes .. I’ve revamped my Top 5 list of current Jets..
Sanchize, Harris, Mangold, J Cotch, KDub/Cro(will decide after pre-season)..Honorable mentions: Jenks, Kelker, Leo, Terminator ..
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Did Big Jenks behave poorly before leaving Carolina? I know he’s been a leader and model citizen, but only point is everyone negotiates to get paid…Jenks got paid and is now set.
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wait til Revis starts locking up #1 receivers again, you won’t be calling him a clown then
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I want Revis, to get paid. Jets havn’t really paid any of their players,for as long as i been a fan.Didn’t have good players either.
One of these CEOs got a 28mill bonus. The owners are rich and will continue to be rich, without Football. Players like Revis,P. Manning and Ray Lewis, deserve $$$.
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36 mill contract without a masters degree coming out of college and still not satisfied for 6 years.Already has 15 mill .Im sorry hes greedy I think hes a problem .And if givin a contract I would make sure there are all the same each year
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Oops, my bad. Late-night reading… Thought it said “with,” not “without.” Sorry.
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Something smells. Mr.T said he offered him a long term contract, a short term (band-aid)contract and would sit down with them, and they refused. Seems to me that no matter what they wind up getting, they’ll come back again and want to renegociate when someone else gets a better contract.Greed’s a terrible thing and if it becomes a stalemate and he has to sit out the next 2 years, he’s the loser. We will win without him. Go JETS!
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That’s simply good marketing! Mr. T is a very smooth operator, establishing public perception of reality, and the Jets are lucky to have him…
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Who was greedy when Thomas Jones was due a bonus? Cmon get real. They promised the guy to redo his contract this off-season and they touted him as the best defender in the league (which he is). Now they have to pay the man in accordance with his value.
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Respectfully, hell no they don’t! They have to pay him only what he’s worth to them. Since they effectively have the rights to him under his contract for this year, and the next two with their option, who really holds all the leverage? Sure, Darelle could sit back and relax on the 16M or so he’s earned already…but is that really in his best interests? Alternatively, he can find an agent (or kick his in the butt), and tell him let’s work out a deal in good faith, be it short term, long-term, or otherwise. This crap that I’m not gonna b/c I don’t want to is stuff you’d expect from a teenager.
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Tanny laid out his spin. That’s what all that is. Yes, you’re correct, he offered contracts which Revis rejected. What he omitted to say was that each contract contained its own demise — each omitted any guaranteed money, which is the real sticking point here, and why Derrelle rebuffed them. Tanny has offered billions and billions in Monopoly Money which he knows he would never have to pay out. Revis is looking for something the bank would actually take — real cash.
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Bent says:
“…billions in Monopoly Money he knows he’ll never have to pay out”.
That’s a stretch. Unless Revis underperforms his contract, he’ll receive all of it. If that happens, then they were proven right not to guarantee it.
As I’m sure you know, the only way they can fully guarantee money is to pay it up front. No team in the NFL is doing that and several high profile players (Brick, Marshall, Dumervil) accepted deals with no upfront money and guarantees later on. Revis got a similar offer and complained there was no “fully guaranteed money”. So take out insurance, then it is fully guaranteed.
If he won’t even attend a meeting, what does that say about his willingness to work towards a deal under the current restrictions? Maybe they could negotiate a compromise whereby he gets a smaller amount upfront and the rolling guarantees as well.
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We know that “a contract is a contract” does not apply to the NFL, and has not since free agency first entered the football lexicon.
In baseball, GMs are smarter with their contracts since they’re on the hook for every penny, unless it’s voided somehow which is rare. They account for future injury or inept play by inserting Options, which can be picked up or dropped at certain time points. The Entertainment Industry also uses this feature in its contracts.
In football, which is physically perilous at best, huge numbers are thrown around at press conferences which are never actually paid out. Only small portions are usually paid to the average NFL player. This inequity, obviously, was addressed by the owners grudgingly agreeing to guarantees within contracts. That’s all they’re really on the hook for. The rest of any given contract is the Monopoly Money of which I speak. A $20 million contract has $15 mill guaranteed. So the reality is a $15 million contract with $5 million of Monopoly Money. He may see it, but probably won’t. Yes, in some cases the player actually gets that Monopoly cash. But I’m certain that digging into the NFLPA/NFL books would show that that’s not too often.
Bent, there is a reason no team has paid the upfront money needed to get this done. THEY DON’T WANT TO. Simple. Absolutely nothing says they cannot. This, actually, would be a clear main issue I’d bring up in filing a federal collusion case vs. the owners if I’m the NFLPA. And once the owners shut down the game, and everyone screams in horror, Congressmen will jump before the cameras and the word collusion will be bandied about and the owners will happily talk all this out. So, the “no one does this” is a red herring.
I won’t speak to the non-Darrelle/Tanny face-to-face. Yes, does seem odd, but I don’t have the info on what that’s all about and, therefore, it appears to be dangerous comment-section fodder. We simply don’t know the facts there, and IMHO we’d be wise to let that one lie for now. We can always revisit it if/when facts come out.
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Bent says:
It’s very rare for a guy to only earn the guaranteed money in his contract, unless they’re cut within less than three years (Faneca) or they fail to love up to expectations (Gholston). In either case, that’s perfectly fair.
Productive veterans with long term deal (and even rookies drafted in the top half of the first round (Revis and Brick) usually get some, if not all of the contract value. Yes, some teams include incentives that often aren’t reached, but the Jers aren’t typically one of them. Not with veterans, anyway.
Even poor Thomas Jones earned more than just his guarantees.
As for teams not paying upfront guarantees because they “don’t want to”, I’m not sure that’s relevant. Regardless of the reasons, if the Jets do that, they’re putting themselves at a competitive disadvantage compared with the rest of the NFL. Maybe Revis makes that worth it but Revis minus whoever they lose because they can’t afford him probably isn’t.
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Bent says:
Thanks for all your comments today everyone and for keeping the chat respectful.
Apologies to those of you who saw comments blocked. Nobody has been given a ban, so we’ll try and ensure as few comments are blocked as possible. In some cases it might be the website address or email you logged in with, so try changing that if comments are blocked.
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Didn’t Sanchez give his blessing on McKnight. If he’s nervous now wait till Westoff starts giving him an earfull.
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Ooooh, Westhoff v. McKnight. Hadn’t thought of that one.
‘Hard Knocks’ may be the first sports reality show to feature the reality of a grown man soiling his uni pants.
Someone take mercy on Joe (and us) and give him the dark green pants, at least…
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I woould like to say instead of bashing revis lets support the team and talk about the jets not just one man alone. I like as a player and he deserves to get paid but lets focus on what the teams needs to get better. Lets applaud guys like mangold and harris for showing up to camp. But instead of doing this everyone is focused on revis I am confident revis will be here at some point during the season.
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madbacker12,
I am with you in supporting the team, and I am not for bashing Revis; however, this is a thread on his holdout. It is a fresh wound. Revis is now 2-2 in being selfish and greedy when it comes to contract negotiations. This can turn into a cancer, from a member who we really need to be a leader in the lockerroom. The Jets are a GREAT team with him, but a very good team without him. We were a very good team last year with him and we were 30 min from a SB. We will have a better pass rush and a better passing game. I think the increased pass rush will take pressure off of the DB’s. If he sits through pre-season, I say we move him to Ph Eagles for Samuel and a 2nd rounder. It would be cheaper in the long run and then we can re-sign Harris and Mangold long term. Or we trade him even to Seattle for a 1st and Trufant. That is MUCH cheaper and we will get a good pick in the long run. Even to the Redskins for Hall and a 1st would be okay with me. We would still have arguably the best CB’s in football and and extra great pick next year to shore up the DL.
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Revis and Schwartz are negotiating from perspective of no risk, no reward, it’s that simple. All business, and unlikely that it’s at all become personal. Greed is irrelevant as FMV is simply the price established b/w a willing buyer and willing seller, and who but Revis and the Jets really knows what that is?
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As expected, its being reported that “Per a league source, former NFL defensive tackle Sean Gilbert is “intimately involved’ in the holdout process. Gilbert, the brother of Revis’ mother, once sat out an entire season in a contract dispute with the Redskins.
Gilbert’s level of involvement wasn’t clear in past weeks, especially when Revis seemed to ignore Gilbert’s general view that a player in such situations should let his agent do the talking.”
Bottom line is that if cooler heads don’t prevail, i.e., sometime in next two weeks or so, as I wrote earlier, then Mr. T’s probably got 10+ GM’s that would love to hear from him which might somewhat diminish us for 2010, but help in the long run ala Herschel Walker
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As I’ve said, DR will be All In or All Out. So it looks like he’ll be All Out.
Maybe for a year. I’d forgotten that his uncle lost a year over his contract.
DR has already gambled away all of his perks in his current contract, so he should be out until an entirely new one is drawn up.
It’s Tanny’s call now. He wants the SB or he doesn’t. If he does, he pays DR. If he doesn’t, he doesn’t pay DR, and we’re all raking leaves on Sunday by late Oct. and not paying attention to the SB for yet another year.
Also, tantrums notwithstanding, Revis is not being traded anywhere.
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Is it me or is the plan to sit out an entire year ridiculous?
He loses the guarantees on his current contract. He won’t accrue a year of service to being free. He (very likely) may sit out a year for the labor impasse.
All that and he still owes the Jets 3 years on his current rookie contract. Plus he wouldn’t be in the probowl thus lowering his 3rd year bonus of the current deal.
At that point if he came back and played out the contract he would be 29ish looking for his second contract. Who at that point would pay a 29yo CB a long term deal averaging over 10 mil.
Let him sit out the whole year. Tanny can’t be held hostage by this agent, he owes it to the other 52 men and the fans.
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Bent says:
If he holds out past 8/11, the Jets may be able to RFA/franchise him next two years at a much lower cost, instead of buying back those last two years.
If they don’t, but he decides to sit the whole year, missing the pro bowl will cost him 2m (and if 2011 is a lockout he’ll lose another 2m for the same reason).
He’s already lost guarantees on 20m. That means if he’s injured between the end of this year and the start of 2012 regular season, they can cut him and owe nothing, but all he’s really lost is the cost of insuring himself against that.
The big loss is the 5m due to him next year. That was guaranteed, so in a lockout, courts might have awarded him the money anyway. Now, not so much.
He’s obviously serious about getting this new deal. Just meet with them and find a compromise to enable you to play this year and renegotiate under the next CBA.
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Well stated, Bent, thanks!
That’s my point. Revis has tossed his contractual assets and is gambling away all his strong suits. The guarantees are gone, the payouts are now going. So, it’s All In on this new contract. It’s now a battle of wills. DR is ferocious, yes. What’s Tanny made of?
I doubt the Jets would entertain waiting forever, then RFA’ing DR in the next couple of years. I question their business acumen at times, yes, but they’re not stupid. Sean Gilbert’s experience with losing a year gives DR insight into what the process is. He’s not doing this cavalierly. I’m certain he knows the process and what’s at stake here — for himself, the team and the league.
DR’s betting the farm on what he knows and on what the world has been saying about his abilities. His strongest card is knowledge that, W/O him, the entire field will be fully operational and open for business for every QB and OC in the NFL. Our other DBs are good, but not World Class good, so our SB dreams may well end now. He knows this.
W/DR, this is a #1 defense. W/O DR, we become a Top 10, Top 15 defense. He knows it, we know it, Rex knows it, and the F.O., the coaches, the Jet players, the opposition players and the media all know it. All nicknames would disappear, other than the resurrection of someone being hung with Toast.
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Your comment assumes that without DR we are certainly on the outside looking in. A view I do not share. He is one of fifty-three. Jenkins went down and the D line remained solid. The Jets have the resources to succeed without, probably not certainly, any one player, DR included.
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CA Jets Fan,
That’s plain silly. Derrelle isn’t going anywhere. It’s the Jets or nowhere.
If the Colts were at a breakdown impasse with Peyton Manning, EVERY team in the league would fantasize about acquiring him to be their QB and tell the press they’re going after him. But none of them would have a chance in hell of talking the Colts into giving up such a dominant talent.
Same thing here.
Relax.
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Reading the posts…Detroit is a terrible place unless just for picks. We need a #1 or #2 quality CB in return. Detroit does not have that. Or we good pass rusher in return. KVB and a 1st or 2nd for Revis?
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Bent says:
Britt Davis was cut to make room for Kyle Wilson. Remember when he was Rex Ryan’s chosen one?
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I’m actually a little surprised that he didn’t stick around longer. The Jets liked him last year, but he couldn’t catch the ball in the preseason games. I guess this is the first good sign for the Clown! I think it will be a two way race between him and Allison for the last WR spot.
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revis nooo!!! hes gonna be traded to the pats for a 2011 4th rounder and a 6th rounder in 2012 but only if he plays in 110 precent of defensive plays and hits a homerun for the redsox in his 1st at bat
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All right, let’s settle down. Somehow this will get done. Revis is going to play this year (for the Jets).
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And I’ll bet he doesn’t plan on holding out any for “Hard Knocks.” I bet he’ll be front and center for that. F***ing egotistical mother f***ers athletes are.
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Jcjets says:
Well since he has held out and the next two years are no longer guaranteed, I bet the short term option is off the table. Just bumping up his salary this year probably won’t satisfy Revis.
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joeythejet says:
i used to like Bevis,but not anymore,and if he gets traded i wont care,he is greedy,he pulled that crap when he was drafted,and got away with it,he is under contract,honor it or get traded,and please Ryan stfu with the best corner ever crap,its that kinda talk that is giving him a big head
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I actually think the McKnight tidbit is good news. Of course, it would be better if this stuff didn’t happen but if it did I’d rather it just be because he was nervous. OK not great but sometimes I think we forget how young these guys are. As long as he keeps working, time usually takes care of the rest. At least that’s the hope. This is the time of year for optimism.
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He’s young but he’s no longer a teenager and needs to act like a Man…sit at a table and hammer out a deal. As I posted a few minutes ago above, he’s got to realize Mevis don’t hold all the cards, and that’s what makes this a “negotiation” not a hostage settlement situation.
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U think if ryan doesn’t say he the best cb in the game anymore u think he will forget he almost won def player of the year like why can’t ryan speak his mind??
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Ryan is hipping him up,screw bevis,i wont wear his jersey this year if he comes back,i hope they trade his azz
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Not Wear His Jersey??? Hmmmm, they may have to reconsider this whole hold-out thing…
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Revis Is The Best CB In The Game And I Would Kill For Him To Stay But Truth Is If I do we lose a lot of valuable people!
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not a bad deal,i rather keep harris n mangold than bevis
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I say trade DR for Peyton Manning, A-Rod, Roger Federer, Steven Spielberg and Kim Kardashian. It’s the only way we’re going to get fair value for him.
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Ahh, hard core negotiating, I love it. It’s trade season!
Although… Sigler has already stated she doesn’t want to play for the Jets…
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Everyone stop with the Revis hate. Once he resigns with the Jets, and starts putting recievers on the Island Everyone is going to forget he held out. Also I’m glad to hear Mcknight passed the conditioning test. I really think he is going to be like Leon which is great news.
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Some people are hating but Im looking at the reality of it Revis wants more and won’t settle for less. I would rather cut or losses and trade him than fold and lose a couple of our core players…
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Trade Revis and get some teams first, second, third, and the year after’s first round picks. I’m not mad at Revis for holding out. I completely understand. But business is business and if some team wants him then have Mr. T fleece their draft picks for the next 3 years and I have all the faith in Mr. T with those draft picks.
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David Harris may miss Revis the most. “He’s my roommate so I hope he comes back so I have somebody to talk to,” Harris said with a laugh.
LMAO !!!!!
NFL is a business too. Let’s keep things in perspective.
My hope is a signed Revis gets back to camp and a new CBA gives the team flexibility to resign other core players.
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Personally, if Mevis remains unsigned, let him be like his uncle and sit out for a year. Even better, let him sit out 2 years so he proves he’s even “tougher, smarter” than his Uncle. Trading him now seems premature given the dicey nature of the CBA and possible “lockout”. Let’s look at Mevis as just another training camp injury that makes him sit all year, with the team benefiting from all that money in fines and no weekly pay checks during this season and maybe next. Terrible injury he’s had. It’s mental. He may never recover but would still have value as trade bait with a sign around his neck that says, “BUYER BEWARE!”
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I’m all for Revis making as much money as he can (why would I want the money going to Woody’s pocket??) I’m also all for the team trying to protect their interest – its call a negotiation, and I don’t particularly care.
However, this holdout is foolishness in the extreme. He’s been playing at that level for exactly one year! Show us you can stay at that level before demanding to be paid like the best player in the league.
Additionally, all this talk about how the Jets and Rex talked up the value of Revis Island and its now coming back to haunt them is insane. Rex also said that we’ll win a championship last year. Should all us fans march down to the Florham Park in protest that we didn’t get one?
If anything, Revis should be grateful to Rex. Obviously he’s a great player, but having your coach talk you up each week only helps his stature and marketability.
Want to guess how many times Rex will talk about how great Revis is this year? My guess is not many.
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Wow, guys, I’m just as mad as anyone else but trade? Seriously? The guy appears to be unreasonable, but we 1) don’t know the entire story and 2) NEED him. You cannot replace Revis. Is this team good enough to make a Superbowl without him? Maybe (and that’s a big maybe). Are they good enough with him? Yes, which is not to say they will make it with him, but their best chance is with Revis.
I am 100 percent against holdouts when they keep a player from training camp. No, Revis doesn’t really need the reps, but other guys need to grow accustomed to him and that takes time. I’m mad at him for not at least coming to camp and voicing his disagreements via hard knocks and the press. But at the end of the day, I ask myself how much it would upset me to see Revis posting an All-Pro season for a decade in another jersey? Way too much.
Wait this out, once this nonsense is taken care of Revis will be back to leading the defense. His teammates and his coaches love him, and he loves playing football. That quality is rare in itself in today’s game, but Revis truly loves the game. He’s worth the wait guys, so please put the trade talk to rest.
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Revis just lost 20 million dollars yesterday, he’s not coming back to camp until he gets his cap killing camp.
We don’t know the whole story but Im confident the Jets offered Revis the highest contract they could without killing our cap and he doesn’t want it!
To say we aren’t a Super Bowl team without Revis is crazy The saints won the super bowl with a solid secondary and a good pass rush. If we are able to get a CB AND A Pass Rusher This team can still win it.What would you do keep revis and lose half of the core or lose Revis keep ALL of our core and gain a couple good pieces in return?
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The Saints CB’s 1-3 are better then the Jets CB’s 1-3 without Revis. Saying the Jets are definitely a Superbowl team without Revis is just homerism.
“What would you do keep revis and lose half of the core or lose Revis keep ALL of our core and gain a couple good pieces in return?”
Hm, well, seeing how Revis is as big a piece of the Jets’ core as anyone, that statement isn’t logical.
But I see no reason why the team can’t sign Revis and keep its core. It’ll happen, just give it time and stop overreacting. He hasn’t even been holding out for 24 hours.
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Don’t you think if the Jets would of gave him his big contract if there wasn’t big repercussions to doing it?
Im not overreacting Revis just lost a lot of money and he isnt coming back to camp unless he gets overpaid which will hurt our cap and It WON’T let us keep our core. We wont be a superbowl team with Revis next year than because Cromartie will be gone and Lowery will go back to getting abused and we won’t have a center.Also Cromartie and Wilson are better than the 2 and 3 on NO it all depends on who we get back in a trade.
WE CANT GIVE REVIS HIS OVERPAID CONTRACT AND KEEP ALL OF THE CORE!
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Last I checked “Kyle Wilson” is #3 on the depth chart, now Lowery. Wilson could develop into an excellent starting CB. But that’s assuming the Jets can’t resign Cro, when there’s no indication that they can’t.
It all depends on how much Revis gets. If he gets $13-14 million per season then the Jets can most certainly keep their entire core. If he fixates on a $17 million figure, then that’s a whole different story.
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Brendan,
I agree, but it comes down to not so much the $13-14 figure vs. the $17 — but how much of either of those numbers is guaranteed.
That’s the crux in any possible agreement, and what this stalemate is about.
Looking at the micro, much of what you say makes sense. But looking at the macro, this has quickly become much more a league dispute, and has wider implications than just Derrelle and the Jets. This now focuses on the NFL’s bogus guaranteed money procedures. Perhaps a little taste of Curt Flood is creeping in here, as well. DR seems to have that same steel character it takes to take on a system.
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Bent says:
In addition if he continues to consider rolling guarantees as “not fully guaranteed” then there’s no difference between a deal with 25% of the total “guaranteed” and a deal with 99% of the total “guaranteed”. Is there?
I’d be perfectly happy if they trumped Dumervil’s deal by 5m (total value) and 5m (additional guaranteed money) but again this will require him living with the fact that they can’t fully guarantee. If he will only accept upfront money, the impasse continues. Hopefully they can convince him to accept a smaller sum upfront (8m-ish) with the rest guaranteed as far as they can (and perhaps later converted to full guarantees if the new CBA allows, which I can’t see why it wouldn’t.)
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“If he fixates on a $17 million figure, then that’s a whole different story.”
Revis wants more than Aso and he makes 15 or 16 Million.
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….yeah, I know, hence my comment.
This could be posturing, so we can’t say that he definitely wants $17 million though.
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In Lighter News This Is From Braylon’s Twitter lol.
“Good Morning World! So my locker is right next to mark brunells I thought 1 of the coaches fathers were asking me a question lol #OldMan LOL” -
the problem with Revis is he has shown his true colors of who he is and to cave in to him will damage this team.Holms/Edwards/Cromartie/Pool/Mangold/Harris/Keller/what do we do with all those guys next year loose the whole team for one guy.
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So since none of us have to pay Revis salary why shouldn’t he make all the $ so we have a shot at the Big Show. Right?
Having said that, what could you live with if the Jets trade Revis? Imagine they can save $15 million/year that can now be earmarked for 2 Blue Chippers or 3 Really Good Players. Also, imagine if you will getting 2 1st round picks in exchange in a trade. Still think its crazy to lose Revis?
Point is its a business and everything has a price. I dont shed tears for owners as they can back out of a deal in NFL by just cutting a player so all is fair. I think we discussed this with kendall only that was pocket change. But the point was you are going to have to deal with this every year as GM. What do you tell Harris, DBrick etc when they’re up?
I’m sure Jets offered a lot more $ but this guy is hell bent on being paid #1 CB money. WHo knows maybe he’s worth it and maybe he;s not this early in his career. Regardless, in the absence of an NFL deal for next year its crazy to pay him long term guaranteed # 1 money. Even Al Davis wouldnt of paid CB Nnamdi Asomugha that contract in 2010….actually with Davis who knows any more.
PS If Jets cant work this out how about converting Brad Smith to secondary? I swear he would prob be decent. LOL
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HAHA You actually think you do not pay Revis’s salary the money must come from the football gods.
WAKE UP!!!!!
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I would do everything to avoid trading Revis. He is a one-of-a-kind player. A complete shut down corner. The defense can do a lot of things without having to worry about one side of the field.
Trading a proven commodity for question marks is risky. The Jets FO needs to find a way to get this done.
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I wouldn’t trade revis. Let him sit out the season. We all know there will be a football stoppage next year until a new CBA. The jets can RFA him or franchise him after the new CBA has been signed by the owners and players.
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Trading Revis is insane. Who do you trade him to? Suh is not an option. The Raiders don’t have a first rounder until 2012 (you want to wait two years?). Most teams won’t give the Jets a package that the fans will be pleased with (they will lowball Tanny endlessly). You will never get the return on Revis that you should, so why force a trade when you don’t have to. I hate to say it, but if Revis “costs” the team another guy, that’s life. Revis is a top five player so you have to keep him.
That being said, you don’t cave to his demands. The team has him under contract for three more seasons, so there’s no sense in panicking and trading him now.
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dude is losing 16000 every day he misses right? if he skips camp totally whats that gonna cost him? how many days?
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Bent says:
16523 actually!
Yesterday counts, so that’s 18 practice days over 25 days, plus two preseason games. Not sure if he’s on the hook for 18, 20 or 25 days (I assume the fines stop after the last practice.
Ultimately: between 297,414 and 413,075.
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i had a nightmare last night that we traded revis to detroit who then shipped him to the pats.
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Bent says:
Not that anyone is talking trade right now, other than commenters on blogs, but they’d definitely put in a poison pill clause to that trade like the Packers did with Favre (maybe even a more stringent one…if he plays one down for another AFC East team before 2017, you owe us your entire draft until the end of the decade).
Threatening to trade him to Detroit might be a good leverage tool.
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Trade him? thats crazy!! you can’t replace him
but if the Band Aid offer is in the $5M range than shame on the Jets .. split the guarantee money .. I am not down on the Jets for taking this position but if those band aid offer/rumors are true than shame
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Bent says:
Where have you heard they only offered him 5m?
Arguably, even if they did, that’s not bad considering he’s only due 6m over the next two years and the fact it’s a band-aid suggests immediate renegotiation without all the restrictions as soon as the ink dries on the new CBA.
I can see them pushing the offer to 9m.
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I was hearing on the radio it was only $3 million (the band-aid), which I found to be ridiculous. But that apparently came from Schwartz.
I wish we knew details about the “lifelong Jet” offer and the band-aid offer.
Schwartz said they sat “eagerly by the phone and Darrelle was crushed when the call never came”. Tanny said they called to have a last-minute face-to-face and were rebuffed.
Someone, or everyone, is lying. Just get it done guys, enough already.
(Again, this was all via WFAN’s morning show this morning, so I have no sources to cite).
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TOON2388 says:
I trust WFAN as much as Ed Rooney trusted Ferris Bueller
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Bent says:
Thanks, Brendan.
Of course, we are early in negotiations, so that might be part of an offer they can improve on.
When reports came out of the “lifelong offer” they said it appended six years and 100m to his current deal. So, 9/121.
Tellingly, Revis did not deny the size of this offer, he just said that the offer contained no new/fully guaranteed money.
We are pretty confident about the source we had that told us the initial offer was 4 extra years at 13.75m a year (an extra 55m, or 7 years, 76m in total).
A report shortly after that offer was described as “insulting” suggested that the Jets had improved upon it.
I think Revis was led to believe he’d get a 100m+ deal with 30m+ guaranteed upfront. If he waited another two years, he probably would, but if he wants it now, he’ll have to forego the upfront guarantees.
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Bent says:
I also know some background information, which I cannot divulge, but that’s also something I’ve been taking into consideration.
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I just wish he wasn’t so dead-set on having a ton of upfront money. To me, that’s the biggest issue (as it should be). The Jets shouldn’t have to pony up a ton of cash right away when a) they don’t know the status of a possible 2011 lockout/new CBA and b) Revis could turn around a pull this act again in a few years once he earns the bulk of his money.
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Bent says:
There’s got to be a middle ground. What’s worrying me is that Team Revis turned down a meeting, suggesting that they’re not willing to budge one iota, in which case this is never going to get resolved.
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That is easily the most worrisome piece of this to me as well.
I just don’t like the double talk. If Team Revis really did turn away the Jets’ request for a face-to-face then everyone is in for a long and ugly battle. Neither side will come out clean and the fans will be angry at both player and front office.
Having Gilbert (who sat out an entire season while battling the Redskins over a contract) in Revis’ ear is seriously complicating matters as well.
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Bent,
A clarification and a question.All the reports I’ve seen/heard have stated that it was a Revis/Tanny face-to-face that was denied, not a Team Revis/Jets f-t-f. Big difference.
Question:
What if?
For now, the Jets go ahead and now fully guarantee that $20 mill of the 2011-2012 buyback DR just let go of. They put as much of it as currently allowed into 2010 salary and signing bonus to give him pre-lockout security. He knows that the rest is, in fact, coming to him. That covers him through the lockout, without currently adding any extra dollars to what was already planned for his contract. Once the NFL nightmare is over, they negotiate the monster deal through to his retirement.Of course, this would necessitate openly acknowledging ownership plans to shut down the league in 2011, so that probably would scotch the whole thing.
But it was a thought.
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Bent says:
Mike – the moment you change the sum due to him in 2010, you’ve restructured the whole deal, so it will need to comply with the rules to get approved by the NFL.
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Bent says:
As for the face to face meeting, I was under the impression his representatives would be there.
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Bent,
Thanks for the clarification. Didn’t think it’d fly but it was worth a shot.Handlers aren’t the issue. They’re continuing to meet with Jets brass all along. This was about Tanny himself and Derrelle himself personally both being in the meeting. I don’t know why that’s a problem, I won’t conjecture. My objection was to comments that made it appear there were no f-t-f communications between the two sides at all. The story is strictly about the principals being there or not.
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This whole situation seems like an obvious case of Revis overcoming even his own personal expectations
He didn’t really become ELITE until last year, and Im pretty sure the system had something to do with it. If he can somehow guarantee the Jets ELITE performances for the next 3 years then id be cool with the Jets guaranteeing him more money. Until that day, there just no way the Jets can budge here.
Id argue that Mangold is way more important to the team than Revis, considering he protects our most precious asset in Mark Sanchez and he dictates a run game that can dominate games.
Team Revis is operating under the assumption that the Jets need him more than their other players. That might not be the case. Is the Lebron team representing Revis or something? This is a PR nightmare for him. Makes him look pretty selfish…
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I actually read on the new york post website that the band aide offer was 3 mil which is an insult.
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Bent says:
“I’m not going to play for 1m this season” (even though he signed a contract which provides for that) is fair enough.
What he seems to be saying is “I’m not going to play the season for anything less than 10m” (even though his contract only entitles him to 6m over the next two years) and this is starting to push it.
Remember, Asomugha played out his rookie deal and only earned 18m in his first five years. An extra 3m now would mean Revis had earned 19m in four.
I say 10m, because sources close to Revis have suggested that will get it done numerous times to both Manish and Cimini. If 3m is an insult, that would seem to back this up.
I’m sure they will ultimately increase that though. They seem to jump at the chance to make the Jets look bad, but we are still early in negotiations.
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Facts we know:
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1) Revis held out for more money in his rookie deal because of the length (6 years).
2) Revis was paid more in his first 3 years than he would have been had he not held out and agreed to the longer contract with more money.
3) Revis got his part of the deal he held out for, the Jets didn’t get theirs (yet).
4) Revis outplayed his rookie deal (as many players do).
5) Revis had 3 years left on his contract. Not exactly because 2 have to “bought back” still, but technically they’re an option for the Jets.
6) The lack of CBA and restrictions surrounding that make it difficult to extend rookie deals long term with a lot of “pure” guaranteed money. See D’Brick contract.
7) Revis holding out has already prevented the final 2 years of his current deal from being guaranteed to him.
8) Revis is being fined more than $16,000/day as he holds out.
9) If Revis doesn’t report by August 10th, he loses a year of eligibility towards free agency.Conclusion:
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The Jets hold all the cards here and the Revis camp is being unreasonable. The “threats” they are spewing about he’s prepared to hold out are just that, “threats”. He has nothing to gain by holding out past the 10th and the Jets know it. The Jets have him by the balls for 3 years if his agents won’t be more reasonable.Revis will be in camp by the 10th with either a reasonable band aid or under his current deal.
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I say there is zero chance he returns under his current deal, now that it has no guaranteed $ attached to it.
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I don’t know, you think he’d rather pay a bunch of fines and gain nothing by doing so? He would also miss out on a promising season but that’s probably the last thing on his mind.
That’s another bargaining chip the Jets do have now though. They can offer to make that guaranteed again.
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Fines generally get wiped clean by the team if a new deal is struck, so Revis likely won’t have to pay them once a new deal is agreed upon.
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Bent says:
It would need to be approved by the NFL, which means the contract would have to be restructured to comply with the 30% rule and that previously fully guaranteed money could only be reinstated with a partial guarantee.
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i hope revis knows what he is doing. nothing in mr T’s past indicates he will be willing to overpay revis with a stupid contract. there are other players who need to be taken care of, and there is the 2011 cap issue to take into account as well. i simply do not see a 5 year, $75M contract with a lot of upfront money coming for revis.
in addition – he risks backing himself into a corner by being viewed as a distraction and selfish. the jets have a blue collar fan base, and although we would never want to take a billionarie owners side, the fact is that in the NFL, one stupid contract can handcuff a franchise for a decade.
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My biggest fear is that he’s just trusting his agents and doing what they tell him to do without understanding the details of the negotiation. His agents have had a BAD history with Tannenbaum.
That said, they aren’t going to be able to pull off the BS they did with Kendall or Baker here. Revis is not that type of player.
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Ummm, Brendan?
“The Jets shouldn’t have to pony up a ton of cash right away when a) they don’t know the status of a possible 2011 lockout/”
It’s THEIR lockout… Teams get a discount because they want to destroy their own game?
You sound as if there were some terrible outside source doing horrible things to these owners. Nope, it’s them, themselves. Ever see a child tear a beloved, hoped-for toy to pieces on Christmas morning? It’s like that. You can attempt to save them from themselves all you want, but the child/owner is still going to do it, anyway.
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Mike,
What in God’s name are you talking about?
Yes, I am aware of how a lockout works. I also am aware that Revis is demanding a ton of upfront cash, that NO team, not just the Jets, is going to offer. No one knows for certain whether or not a lockout will happen. People can assume, but that inevitably is up to 32 NFL owners, not 1. So if Woody doesn’t want to give Revis a ton of upfront cash because he’s uncertain about the 2011 season, who can blame him?
The argument Revis makes for having the upfront cash (could get injured at any time, leading to loss of all that money) hurts his chances because it’s the same argument the Jets can make (if they give up the upfront cash, he gets hurt, never plays again, Jets are screwed).
So, I don’t see what your point is about the lockout. Woody can’t predict the weather and he can’t predict what 31 other NFL owners are going to want to do.
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OK, but that puts a hole in Bent’s “no one else is doing it” mantra.
If Woody is acting independently and not in collusion with 31 other owners (who pulled out of the CBA as a unit, saddling us with the uncapped, 30% madness we have now), let him come up with the signing cash to bring Revis to camp. Because he’s not beholden to any other owner. So, what you’re saying then is that this is squarely between Mr. Johnson and Mr. Revis.
Woody’s presser coming should be very interesting for all of those who paid him gargantuan PSL money, hoping to see a SB run…
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its only day one (two-three?), hopefully revis has had a good off season workout thing going on. he seems very professional about things, but id be lying if i said im not a little dissapointed in the kid for not reporting while this dispute is going on. reps are reps, everyone can get better even revis (scary thought)
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plus him and cro-magnon arse (deep dislike of anything charger related, but ill get over it)should be getting on the same page asap. same with the rest of his unit.
janesports:
“Several players today said that Darrelle isn’t the greedy stereotype holdout, so that says something about the offer and what he expected.”
“Tannenbaum refused to get into specifics about raw #s and whether guaranteed money was involved in the two offers. #Jets”
I’m not saying one side is right and the other wrong, but there is definitely a lot of information that we don’t know about.