Where I Consider My Hurtful Remarks About Brian Schottenheimer
Some of you wrote that I was a little-er-strong in my criticism of Brian Schottenheimer last night. In the cold light of day, let’s think about it. In the NFL, the only thing you have to show for your work is performance. Everything else is just speculation. So let’s look at the actual performance of our esteemed Offensive Coordinator. Let’s look at the body of work.
Naturally, we’re only interested in BS in his present position. At San Diego, where he is given credit for rearing Drew Brees and Philip Rivers, he was working with another man’s system. He was only the QB coach. So, how those QBs performed is only relevant to the systems they were executing. Brian doesn’t get credit for Rivers and Brees because Matt Cavanaugh, the Jets QB coach, shouldn’t be blamed for last night.
So let’s look at Brian Schottenheimer’s system, his body of work as an Offensive Coordinator. His first crack was his present job, with the New York Jets, which he got in 2006.
Sean Sheppard has written a piece this morning on Brian Schottenheimer’s career performance as OC on a game-by-game basis. His conclusion? “Brian Schottenheimer Led Offenses: Not One 300 Yard Passer Since 2006!” That’s right, according to Sean, the Jets have not had a 300-yard passer since 2006, and that’s under two different coaches with two different philosophies. Not only that, two of his quarterbacks were proven winners who both went on to produce 300-yard games after they left the Jets. It’s a great piece and I recommend that you read it (here).
Sean didn’t go into Schotty’s season standings. How have his offenses done since he became an offensive coordinator?
The overall ranking (total yards) for Brian Schottenheimer’ offenses in the past four years (2006 – 2009) is 25, 26, 16, 20. That’s never higher than sixteenth in a league of 32 teams. In case you’re wondering, the 16 was the year that Favre was here and the offense had to be “simplified” for the Mississippi mauler, who was accused of being unwilling to study hard. So, on average, BS offenses (Jets’ offenses) have ranked 22nd in a 32-team league. As for passing, Brian Schottenheimer’s specialty, the rankings were 17, 25, 16 and 31—sixteenth with Favre, 31st with the rookie, Sanchez. The average? 22nd in a 32-team league. Consistent, if nothing else. As for rushing, there’s been continual improvement from 20th in 2006, when he took over, to first, last year, an average of 12th. Well, at least he can do that.
What about mentoring and guiding quarterbacks? When Schotty took over in 2006, his quarterback was Chad Pennington returning from injury. Chad’s 2006 season was a respectable twelfth. Not bad, huh? Except Chad had never ranked lower than eleventh in his career which included a number one ranking in 2002. The following year under Schottenheimer, 2007, Chad ranked an inexplicable 15th. The team decided he was fragile and probably done, so they let him go and brought in Favre, who promptly ranked 21st among quarterbacks in Schottenheimer’s simplified scheme. Just a couple of washed-up veterans, right? Except, Chad Pennington would rank second with Miami’s poor receiving corps, once he left the Jets in 2008, and Brett Favre, would rank second in 2009, when he went to Minnesota. Sanchez, who showed so much promise in the first few games of the ’09 season, wound up 28th. For those of you who like trends, since Brian Schottenheimer got here five years ago, his quarterbacks have ranked 12, 15, 21 and 28, and after yesterday’s performance, 31st. We appear to be on a trend that will set a record, ranking 33rd out of a possible 32 teams.
So it doesn’t look promising. It is axiomatic that the best predictor of future performance is past performance. If that’s the case, the Super bowl is off the table. The Ravens, who had no offense to speak of, yet who won the Super Bowl in 2000, were ranked sixteenth in the league in total offense that year. The Jets have only sniffed that lofty ranking once under Schottenheimer, and that was with a Hall of Famer at QB.
So get used to it. If you want to go to the Super Bowl, Rex or Tanny or somebody over in Florham Park will have to face facts. The numbers don’t lie.
107 Responses to Where I Consider My Hurtful Remarks About Brian Schottenheimer
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Nothing here points out we had the number 1 rushing offense last year. It’s not a vote of confidence for Schotty but this is the first year we have so many offensive weapons. Who has been our QG, who has been our WR. We have had better than aqverage running backs but no gamebreakers.
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Guess you missed this part:
As for rushing, there’s been continual improvement from 20th in 2006, when he took over, to first, last year, an average of 12th. Well, at least he can do that. -
We had the number one rushing offense last year because of the sheer number of run plays. Thomas Jones rushed for a career high, but he was less than spectacular if you look at his game by game performance.
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I have been a reader of this site for a long time and never felt passionate about any topics to post a reply but after reading the article last night and this followup article I feel it would be in everyone’s best interest if BS was allowed to leave for a head coaching job elsewhere. Even though that wont happen this year its something I can look forward to. Watching sanchize in his offense just looks ..bad
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Good, I was going to write something more mean spirited and full of profanity. Glad to see you use facts.
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Future unless massive discounting will be lower bowl full or rich fat cats and the rest watching the game at home. Its going to be a virtual game experience. No more live game action for avg middle lcass guys save for tailgating in parking lot behind a Confot Inn in Moonhake NJ.
This blowzzzzz
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Andrew Weiss says:
Get some sleep.
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I put this on TOJ and I’m repeating here because I am too bummed out:
What a bummer. Tough going to sleep with images of penalties and a nervous Sanchez. As good as special teams and the front 7 were, the 2nd & 3rd CBs stank as well as the play calling on both sides. I’m for starting the other Mark and letting Sanchez call the plays. Schotty needs to quit football and become a ballet choreographer. All that pre-snap dance means nothing if you handcuff your QB. Maybe he should choreograph S&M porn.
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went to the game yesterday and am just NOW able to discuss it. I KNOW its ONLY the first game of the season,and we shouldn’t go jumping the gun and pointing fingers so soon. THAT BEING SAID……..since Mangini,our defense has gotten BETTER,our special teams has gotten BETTER,and our OFFENSE HAS NOT!? Almost EVERY OTHER Quarterback in this league would LOVE to have the talent around him that Sanchez has right now! What is it?…..is it Sanchez CANT make the throws? Are our wide recievers NOT getting open? Is our offensive line not giving Sanchez the time he needs? OR,is it HORRIBLE PLAY CALLING,which personally,I have been “complaining” about for at LEAST 3 years now. We GOTTA get this corrected IMMEDIATELY!
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Thank-you. I have been saying this for years (without the #’s just the experience of watching it). We should have kept Chad and got rid of Shoddy (see what I did there =-). I also think it is worth pointing out that not only do Quarterbacks do better when out from under Shotty, but with the way Sanchez looked last night….(IMO…scared, unwilling to throw down field)…what damage is he doing to his progression.
Obviously a disapointing night and little to feel good about on the offensive side of the ball moving forward, except it couldn’t get much worse….could it?
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This guy should be sardines by week 4. With this defense, we’ll be in any game we play. What do we have to lose by letting Sanchez throw down field?? You think it matters if he gets picked and our defense stays out there another 5 minutes?
The one time we went deep last night, our guys couldn’t even line up correctly. They’re simply not prepared.
Seriously though, how badly can a team get jobbed by the refs? Even the SAFETY!! REX THROW THE G.D. FLAG!!
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Tare up Shotty’s contract now and fire him. Hire someone that will run his plays for the season and at least be aggressive with it. Shotty should of been fired when Rex came in if not sooner. He has done nothing to help Sanchez and his play calling is horrible. Replace him now and try to save the season. Dont let our talented De be wasted again this season.
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In jest there,s alwaya alittle truth: maybe Mark’s line from HK: this is easy,Shotty you suck
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I have to agree. We simply did not look like an NFL team on offense last night. This was not an isolated event. We were terrible in the preseason. We were pretty terrible last year until Ryan got involved and told Schotty to stop with all the nonsense. It didn’t seem like anyone had any idea what to do last night. This is Schotty 5th year as OC. It’s totally inexcusable. But really, it all falls on Ryan. He’s the head coach. Schotty is his hire. He’s been with him for a year so he knows what he has. No excuses. Everybody talks about Schotty as some kind of up and coming coach. Why? 5 years of performance simply doesn’t back it up. The NFL is very clubby. It’s a small world. If Brian wasn’t Marty’s kid, he would have been gone long ago.
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Are their any success stories in the NFL when a team fires its OC during the season? I mean this sounds great and all, and I would love him gone, but to do so now, couldn’t that hurt any chance we have this season. We rushed over 600 times last year and had the #1 rushing game? Why can’t follow that model? The offense put the team in position to win more than 9 games last year, and still lost (both Miami games, Falcons game). Would Callahan be that much better, a guy known for being a conservative play-caller? Any other scheme change would be near impossible to implement during the season.
He is very inconsistent as a play caller. Sometimes he can have this offense rolling and others not so much. I usually see a strong first drive (scripted) and then poor adjustments during the game to not take advantage of opportunities.
I agree Schotty should go, I just don’t know if it helps us this year if he goes now (he wont go now thats for sure, but maybe after 4 games).
Also, Favre threw for 290 and 289 yards in two different games. I’m nitpicking, but thats very convenient to say no 300 yard passing games since 2006.
Good point on Chad though, didn’t know that, both before and after Schotty.
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You make a good point about making changes during the season. To me, the only real option is to fire Schotty and make Bill Callahan the OC. He’s the current offensive line coach and could keep the parts of Schotty’s system that have potential to work. Also, he’s a former NFL head coach with a lot of experience. It’s not like we would be starting from scratch.
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@ Starz31
Regarding the -300 yard passing performances… it may be nitpicking, but it is a fact… 290 and 289 yards passing is Not 300 yards!
The Jets offense is way to reserved.
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Arnie says:
Matt Cassel had back to back 400 yard passing games in his first year as a starter. We havent had one 300 yard passing game in 5 Years!
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You know my feelings on Schottenheimer, though I do question if last night was as much on him as it was on a QB that clearly was overwhelmed by the pressure of being the QB on a team expected to compete for the Super Bowl. The one thing he did horrible was continue with all that motion nonsense. Clearly it was not working and was causing the Jets to have penalties. So it wasnt even neutral to the offense it was actually negative to them. Why they did not scrap it and just go to something traditional is beyond me. Maybe this week they do that.
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My impression, subject to information to the contrary, is that Rex leaves the offense to Schotty. If that’s the case, then Schotty is the guy responsible for the offense’s preparation, as well as for the O’s game plan. As for Sanchez, he did not play like this when he started out in the NFL. He was TAUGHT to play like this. As you and I have discussed, Rex’s idea of football is knock the door down, but Schottenheimer consistently tries to sneak in through the back entrance with deception and misdirection. That was my point about Rex’s inclination to say to opponents: this is what I do–stop it! Not, I see what you do, I’ll go around it and fool you.
Anyway, your piece on Schottenheimer last year was terrific but I couldn’t find it to link to it. I’m pretty sure we’re on the same page.
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http://www.nyjetscap.com/Schottenheimer.html
Definitely on the same page. Ill keep my fingers crossed for the best though. What we saw Monday was so bad I have to hope it was just some weird aberration.
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congrats schottie! you’ve turned the 2nd QB in last year’s draft and the #5 overall pick into Trent Edwards. All that pre-snap shifting looks pretty interesting and all but all it does is confuse the issue. Favre, as much as he makes me sick, DOES know something about offense. Gruden knows something about offense. And they (among many others) have said that sometimes you just need to line up and play and not do all this ridiculous shifting. And let the kid throw the ball!!! What’s the point of having Braylon Edwards if you’re going to tell Sanchez to check down to “hands of stone” Shonn Greene? Some of this clearly falls on Sanchez but Schottie is the “offensive genius” that should be able to make this thing go. Paul Hackett, where are you?
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Rex needs to reel this guy in like he did last year. His silly offense is the direct opposite of Rex’s KILL mantra. His offense is neither likeable (because it sucks) nor learnable – do we really need two shifts, 8 guys in motion, 4 dummy counts etc? Its hard to get in a flow when sanchez is under center for 15 minutes changing plays. The jets seem unable to get it right with these OC’s, Hackett, Heimerdinger and now Schotty. Remember when Schotty was seriously considered for the Head Coaching job – at least they got that right.
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I don’t blame Shotty for all the check downs. Those were Mark’s decisions, not shotty’s. It looked more like Sanchez was scared to throw it down the field, rather than the play wasn’t designed to. I blame Sanchez more than I blame Shotty
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Couldn’t agree more. Schotty is awful. On Facebook there’s a page trying to get enough people on board in the hope of using it as a petition to get him canned. Check it out: http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/Fire-Brian-Schottenheimer/155046424514980?ref=ts
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Hey Schotty had a TERRIBLE game calling plays last nite but did any of us REALLY expect our offense to go out (w/out Santonio btw) and not struggle somewhat???
As bad as Schotty and the offense was, Shonn Greene giving up the ball inside Raven territory took the wind right out of the Jets sails…turning point of the game right there
We could be talking about an ugly 12-7 win instead of an ugly 10-9 loss
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A lot of factors played into our Offense looking that bad last night, So Im confident we can come out Sunday ready to ball.
How about our Defense though? They are going to be really good this year! We were pressuring Flacco without Calvin! Bryan Thomas really opened my eyes last night. Keep It Up Bryan!-
Ellis had a great game too. Taylor had a few nice plays, didn’t see much otherwise. Ellis and Thomas were big factors.
We dominated the D-line all game, averaging 1.4 yards a run? That was very good. It’s just frustrating that the penalties screwed so many good, what we thought, defensive stops.
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guys can blame shotty all they want…BUT, the buck stops with the HC.
If Rex didn’t like they play calling, he had the ability to change it. To think that he has no input into the offensive game planning is simplistic and naive.
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..not to mention that Cotchery had two BIG drops – one on the last drive that looked like it would’ve been a first down and clock stop because he could’ve gone out of bounds, and the one earlier in the game on 3rd down on a perfect pass by Sanchez. There’s enough blame to go around to everyone – Keller for his bonehead 9 yard route on 4th and 10, Greene for his fumbling and drop, Cotchery for his drop, Brick for his 65345 holding calls, Slauson for his “Welcome to our backfield Mr. Ngata!!”, Braylon for his illegal shift, etc etc etc.
Re: our secondary – at the end of the day the defense only gave up 10 points even though they were on the field for 59 minutes because of how horrible the offense was. And truth is — no other team, not even Indy, has 3 super-high quality veteran wideouts like the Ravens do. I guess we’ll see how it goes next week with the Pats.
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They were working Kyle and Cro good thing is by the playoffs they will be used to it.
Brick had two holding calls btw he needs to get adjusted to Mark acting like Peyton with the audibles.
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long successful year…thats what you meant to say.
I saw enough positives out of the defense and a few glimpses of our running game that will keep us in most games this season. Super Bowl? Who knows. I never thought we would do it, not yet at least, but just because you publicly state you want to win the Super Bowl I will not criticize that. I want my team to have balls.
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haha, that said, it will be a long year… definitely some ups and downs. and certainly not lacking on the stress.
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Schotty is horrible. I knew the facts but I didn’t need them. I have two eyes. After LT’s 18 yrd run in the second half he takes him out for SG and throws a pass to SG. So you takeout one of the best pass catching RBs in NFL history who was in a good rhythm to put in a RB that has fumbled twice, and caight 0 passes last year and call for a swing pass to the RB? Oh he did take a deep look to JCo…on 3-1! Deep in JETD teritory!
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THANK YOU G.JETSON!!!!!
i have posted the same in several areas today….
LT goes for 16, then 6… its 4 min left in the game…you have the “hot rb”…
so u sub him out…for the shotgun package!!!!!!
not to bring up another site… but friend on theganggreen.com said reports are that rex and schotty had a heated argument after the game…
GOOD!!!!!!!!!
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The success of our running game is because of a great o-line and bill callahan. If schotty were to be fired, then I say give callahan the play calling duties. Rich Gannon was an MVP under him!!
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JasonLaCanfora Jets DT Kris Jenkins tore his ACL and is out for season. #nyj
I’m going to cry! This sucks holy f**k! Jenkins is probably going to retire now. This is BS!
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g.JETSon – thanks for reminding me about that horrible deep throw to Cotchery. On 3rd and short you throw a deep ball to possibly the slowest wide receiver in the NFL? Can’t Schotty scheme something where it’s either Braylon there or Keller vs. an LB or safety? Or even Brad Smith? Cotchery is best on intermediate routes where his short-space quickness is such an asset. I assume this whole thing is more complicated than I think but I can’t imagine that throwing a long-ball to Cotchery, even when he’s one-on-one, is a great idea in that situation.
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ummm…it clearly sucks to lose him….
but we didnt exactly suck for the last 10? games without him last year…
relax
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The stats just back up what my eyes have told me for years now.
We need to do something about our passing game, because all the pieces are there for success.
Sanchez didn’t even get the opportunity to play poorly last night. He made a few throws which were wiped out by an illegal shift and 3rd down drops. Not saying he played well, but again, he didn’t have the chance to show you a thing.
We have to throw it on first or second down every series to keep the defense honest. Otherwise, your running when the D wants you to run, and giving them the opportunity to sit on the pass when you have to pass on 3rd and long.
Line up 3 wide on an early down and your less likely to see double coverage all over the field as compared to passing on 3rd and long when the D knows its coming.
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I made no comments during the foolish yapping during the pre-season, but I have been saying this for years: A team with Shottenhiemer as OC is dreaming if they think they are winning a Super Bowl. The stats above do not lie. You are what your record says you are.
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What struck me last night, however, was how un-Schotty the offense was. My criticism of Schotty has always been that his offense is over-complicated and too focused on passing to WRs. Look at how many of Chad’s passes were to TEs and RBs as a Dolphin, as opposed to a Jet. Ditto with Favre as a Viking. What made the WR-centric focus even worse was that Coles and Cotchery could not create separation. So, Schotty had Chad and Favre forcing intermediate passes into tight windows…the result? Uncharacteristically high INTs for Chad and higher than average INTs for Favre. When applied to Sanchez, the Schotty system was even worse because going downfield with guys like Stuckey and Cotchery proved difficult for seasoned vets. Once defenses wised up, Sanchez struggled mightily, while his percentage of passes to RBs and TEs was even worse than Chad or Favre’s.
Last night, however, where were the passes to the WRs? Did Rex tell Schotty to scrap his base offense? With Edwards, Schotty has a deep threat and with Keller/LT he has the short-passing weapons that the Jets have often lacked. I expected that Sanchez might run the hurry up last night to prevent the Ravens from switching from their base defense in order to exploit the Ravens’ secondary. Schotty used to attack defenses, even if foolhardy. Last night? The offense was incredibly passive. Everything was up front against a defense with a good front 7. It made no sense.
So, maybe the offensive game plan was Rex’s idea? Maybe Rex put too much faith in his defense to win an ugly game? It gets back to my theory that until Rex decides that the offense has to match the personality of his defense and special teams, we will be seeing games like last night. Blame Schotty all you want, but the buck stops with Rex.
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Tyrone- my computer has been slow with this site too but just this site not any other sites.
Also:
Sounds like it’s official now:
TheJetsStream: #Jets Rex Ryan on Jenkins: “He’s done for the year….it’s going to be a huge blow for us.”
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shotty subs out LT after 18 and 6 yd runs on our 2nd to last drive of the game…. he is pumped..clapping his hands etc…
puts in greene who had been cold…
who promptly drops a dump off on 2nd and 4…
3rd down we get sacked…
feel for the game??? LT is the hot back…he goes for 18 and 6 on back to back plays… your “rookie” is the cold back…
so you put him back in and go shotgun and 2nd and 4…another shotty staple… and greene drops an easy pass…
crap like that is why lil shotty deserves to get questioned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The motion stuff Schotty does is interesting and I think it can work with the right players. Sanchez isn’t that sort of player.
QB rating difference is bad way to evaluate Schotty’s effect on Favre and Pennington. Pennington’s best season came in 2002 with Paul Hackett, do you suggest that Schottenheimer be more like Hackett? Favre played terribly and injured half the season, plus, I doubt he spent much time listening to his coaches. Horrible comparisons.
You say that Cavanaugh doesn’t deserve criticism for last night. Why not? Cav has one job, to develop Sanchez, that’s it.
Throwing out Schottenheimer’s year with Favre is insane to me as well. Why shouldn’t that count?
This was not a study by the numbers, this is an excellent example of perverting statistics to lead to pre-conceived conclusion.
The Jets offense sucked last night, but you can’t blame him for Tanny and Rex deciding that Vlad Ducasse or Matt Slauson would be the answer. You can’t blame him because Dustin Keller couldn’t get off the line, or Cotchery dropping two 1st down passes.
What you can blame him for is insanely conservative play calling and inability to get one deep attempt to help spread the D out. Schotty did not coach a good game, but to make him the scapegoat isn’t really fair.
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Cavanaugh doesn’t game plan. That’s the OC’s job.
No one threw out Shotty’s year with Favre. It’s included in the numbers.
Slauson got beat in exactly the same way that I saw Faneca beaten repeatedly last year. How has the bad decision made things worse?
I blame Shotty by the process of elimination. The defense and specials made mistakes, the officials called an unreasonable number of penalties, but they didn’t lose the game. The offense did by being inept and unproductive. How is it unfair to blame the offense on the offensive coordinator? You can call it a bad game if you want. I call it a bad career, and I tried to deliver the numbers to prove it.
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You did. He is always trying to outsmart the D. The 2nd to last drive with LT and then subbing for a pass to SG is ensemic of his thought process during his entire tenure. You could see him thinking, “nobody will expect a pass to SG now”. But if you want to succeed what is a better chance, HOF RB who has beat defenses his entire career on such a pass or trying to fool one of the best Ds this decade with a RB who had 0 catches all last year? He has always done this. The Farve year we played a team that gave up 400 yrds rushing the week before, we have the best rushing attack, Farve is struggling and banged up and he airs it out in a snow storm!!! His excuse, “They were expecting the run”. Last year with Buf, why throw? We were avg 9YPC and Sanchez had already thrown 3 ints, we had a lead, why would you still throw when Sanchez had never played in the cold. Rex’s said his philosophy is to win with your strength. That is why hell or highwater we blitz 3rd and long. He can’t stand Schotty’s approach I bet. LT gets stopped on one Trd and short and you call a deep out for JCo on the next?
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BRAD GET A FREAKING ROOM YOU AND SCHOTTY AND SHUT THE HELL UP,HE IS TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING ON OFFENSE
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I never said Schottenheimer wasn’t to blame for last night. In fact, I said he shares most of the blame, but to put it all on him is pretty shortsighted.
I said the gameplan was too conservative. I also said the motion stuff he does makes no sense with Sanchez. I certainly believe if he can’t adapt to the team he has, then we need a new OC.
G.Jetson,
If Rex disagrees with Schotty’s gameplan, and doesn’t do anything about it…then BS should be fired. I don’t mean that sarcastically. If Rex Ryan can’t get an assistant coach who works for him to call a game the way he wants, the one of them needs to go. However, I suspect Rex trusts Schotty more than you’d like to think.Joey,
Do you really think firing Schotty would fix ALL the jets offensive woes?
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Sanchez’s check-downs are too fast, he never lets a route develop then dumps it to his safe-route.
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Sanchez’s check-downs are too fast, he never lets a route develop then instantly dumps it to his safe-route.
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I say they need to work a miracle like the ones they did in the offseason and GET MICHEAL VICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Because right now Sanchez sucks A** Cheeks!!!! All he did was dump passes out of the backfield!!! No go throws down the field except 1 to Keller!!!! Not good enough!!!!
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maybe just maybe, if they ran a play that actually let Sanchez throw deep he would have. almost every play was designed to go to the rb.
The play he actually threw deep was a beautiful pass.
but my question is, where are the screen plays and the bootlegs and the draw plays that worked so well in the playoffs.
As an OC you play to your players strengths. calling a swing pass to Greene on 2nd and 4 is not to the teams strengths.
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Schotty sucks and doesnt know how to win games, if it wasnt for Rex than this team would be herendous to watch.
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Paul Hackett is a very good offensive coordinator, actually. I’d love to see Sanchez running an offense under Hackett. But that’s for another day.
I don’t generally get on the bash-the-coordinator bandwagon, and I’m tentatively not going to do so right now. I will say that from what I’ve seen in the preseason and last night, I don’t quite understand what the offense is supposed to do, but then again, I generally think that running the football is largely a waste of time (all the numbers bear this out) while Rex was talking about rush attempt/completion numbers and the fact that the Ravens did well by running the ball 35 times, even though those 35 plays were their least effective plays of the game and consistently forced Flacco to make big third down plays, so it’s safe to say that Rex and I are not on the same page. But you can’t blame Schotty for the checkdowns–not a single one of those plays, other than possibly the last one (and even then I’m not sure) were designed to go to the running back. Sanchez may have been working with a specific second count whereby he had so long for his primary to come uncovered and then he should dump off and avoid the negative play, but I doubt that would be a Schotty directive.
The issue is the quarterback. Yes, the staff doesn’t have confidence in him, and they shouldn’t–he threw a bazillion interceptions last year, and fumbled a bunch more times. They would rather play extremely close to the vest and count on the running game and defense. That’s a recipe for 8-8 or 9-7 in today’s NFL, but it’s what they feel like they can do until Sanchez develops. And he needs to develop. You are talking about an extremely inexperienced player.
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edward’s two penalties, greene’s fumble, and keller’s brain fart lost the game. schotty might call the plays, but the players have to execute. sanchez just isn’t ready.
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and whoever thinks sanchez sucks is a moron…sanchez only sucks with schotty as his coordinator
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You are obviously in denial… After the ball is snapped its up to Sanchez to be aggressive and make the play happen!!!!!!!!! He didn’t do that! He looked for the easy dumps that got us NOWHERE!!! He had chances to get the ball down the field but decided not to! I’m not sure if you watch the game or preseason.
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Where do you think he gets that stuff from?
He is doing what he’s been taught to do.
When he was calling plays in the last preseason game, he had a better feel for the offense than Schott. Schott is destroying Sanchez.
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I wrote a fairly long post that didn’t go up for whatever reason.
But this article is a horrible example of perverting numbers to get to pre-conceived conclusion.
2002 Penny was coached by Hackett. Would you like this offense to be more like Hackett’s?
There is no good reason for removing Favre’s season from Schotty’s resume
There is no good reason for saying that a QB coach has nothing to do with a quarterback’s devlopment (Be it Schotty in SD or Cav here)
Unless of course, you have an answer you want to prove before looking at the facts.
Schotty (as well as the offense besides LDT) was atrocious last night. 1-11 on 3rds speaks for itself. You don’t need to use bad numbers.
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i’ve had 41 years of day afters like this. namath sold his soul i’m sure of it. to lose by one point with 125 yards in penalties and no offense whatsoever is so jet like, it’s scary. unbelievable. and the site is so slow today, it’s like we are being punished from beyond.
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[KingBeast
14. Sep, 2010 at 2:16 pm #You are obviously in denial… After the ball is snapped its up to Sanchez to be aggressive and make the play happen!!!!!!!!! He didn’t do that! He looked for the easy dumps that got us NOWHERE!!! He had chances to get the ball down the field but decided not to! I’m not sure if you watch the game or preseason.]
You dont think Shotty has a plan for every play? On this play look for L.t, on this play look for J.CO. The plays where dump offs were an option shouldnt have even been called. I am not completely disagreeing with you. There was one play where Sanchez hit L.t for a 5 yarder, and there was Braylon 10 yards deeper wide open in the same vicinity as L.T. Why sanchez didnt see him? I dont know, but thats going to happen. I also recall the last play of the game for our “excellent” offense. The pass was a beauty, directly over the defenders head, right in Kellers hands (not to mention the 33 yard beauty to Keller earlier that got called back.) Sanchez can throw the ball and he can find the open reciever. Thats all he did at USC, that skill doesnt just fade for no reason. I think Schotty needs to sit down with sanchez and go over the play book one more time because as good as the Ravens defense were lastnight, they were’nt the ones that beat us lastnight. We beat ourselves.
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Well it’s definitely a combination of the O.C. and Sanchez. Part of the reason they have Sanchez look for the dump is because he doesn’t make the best decisions when the leash is off of him. Now I’m not saying he doesn’t have flashes of good plays, because he does! But I guess you can say I’m impatient with him and the O.C. because flashes aren’t good enough….
I was optimistic in the pre-season slump of us not scoring touchdowns etc. But when that crap carries on the regular season…. I guess you can say I’m just plain frustrated and want solutions. We have plenty of talented players for our offense to look that horrible and can’t get a good pass down the field!
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Yep, Schotty is to Coordinating an Offense as George Bush was to being a president.
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Let’s be real…schotty is average as an OC coordinator AT BEST….
that is not saying much. We need to switch it up..Let callahan “help” him with the OC job.
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what hasn’t been mentioned is the amount of times we saw sanchez shaking his head at the sideline in confusion? I said this the other day, in that last preseason game Sanchez called two Td drives. He understands the plays, situations and Ds, he seems to not have confidence in the plays Schotty calls. That seems to lead to poor execution. If repotrs are true, and Rex and Schotty had a heated exchange, I think there may be something to my theory.
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People actually were hurt about criticizing Schott??
I guess his PR apparatus has long tentacles into the Jets fanbase.
I heard a report that Rex & Schott had a little spat after the game, about Greene not playing. Kind of strange, because Rex was there, and could’ve said *Put Greene in!* But, if Rex is beginning to wake up, and take offense to BS’ offense, I aint complaining. -
I am no fan of BS. I think his play calling was and is awful. I think the most yardage we got was vertical yardage from all the shifting we did. I just don’t understand how we could not target our WRs at all. Any game where Tony Richardson is targeted more than Braylon Edwards is a poorly called game.
At the same time, the 300 yard passing stat is a poor marker. Most of the time, all it means is that the team fell behind early and/or by a large margin and needed to pass to catch up or was playing against a soft defense.
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Shotty has had 4 year’s the only year the offense stretch the field regularly is when brett was here and they had to adapt to his style.. Dink & Dunk is not going to win us anything!!!! Time for some one who will help and not hinder sanchez maturity as an nfl qb and to really take advantage of the players on this roster!!!
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brett had 300 yrd games before and after BS. The Vikings were not trailing every time he had a big day. Chad had 300 yrd days before and after BS. The Dolphins weren’t trailing every time he had big #s. Please stop making excuses for BS. QBs play better when they leave him. No 300yrd game in 4 years? We certainly have trailed in alot of games in that time shouldn’t we have atleast one game where the QB aired it out? It is a marker as well as all the other valid points mentioned in the post and replies. He had SG buried early and only late 3rd did he commit to the run with BSmith and Lt even though LT was avg5.6 a carry and we could throw for dick. All of the shifting was horrible. The team was out of sync and you want to do complex shifts, in game 1, down 1 pt, REALLY?!! Get in a rhythm move th ball into field goal range and win. K.I.S.S!!!!!!! KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Any positive rep BS has is exactly that…
Haha… see what I did there. Its pretty cleaver, cause BS can mean Brian Schottenhimer or it can mean bull $h*t.
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I have had a wary eye on Shottenheimer for a while now and was thinking he didn’t have the answers Monday night either. But then, when I remebered that Brett Farve came in and played in his system we scored the 3rd most season points in Jets history made me think maybe it’s that Sanchez still has a way to go. The great QB’s go to the line and then either go with the play or audible to a different play based on reading the defense. We don’t read and change to the defense very well. Where is that quick 5 yard slant bread and butter play (i.e. Wes Welker).
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Great article about the awful OC who is Schotty!!! Weiss rules!!! Please Rex, demote Schotty and promote Callahan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Andrew Weiss-
I haven’t read the 1st article in you have been critized for being too harsh on Schotty but take it from me who has been a jet fan and foot ball fan since i was 7. You are right on the $. Thanks for all the great info and better yet facts.
If anything, you are being too nice!
Because if you ask me, he straight up sucks and i have been screaming for years that the Jets get rid of this guy. He’s horrible, he just picks plays that leave me scratching my head as to why the hell he would pick those plays in certain situations. He’s the worst OC i’ve ever seen.
And you did not mention how Rex had to get more involved with the Offense last year because it was so bad and then that’s when everything started to improve and click.
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I haven’t read the 1st article in which you were critized for being to harsh**
Also, forgot to state that the fans who were complaining about your article have been watching the Jets play since 06 as you stated.
I know i have and those people defending schotty must either be related to him, blind, or on something…
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Andrew Weiss this is the best one you wrote !!!!!! I can see you pacing the floor, spitting fire !!
GREAT JOB KID !! KEEP’EM COMING !!!
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It doesn’t have to be that complicated. I don’t need thirty fakes and reverses to get a glass of orange juice out of the refrigerator.
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Wouldn’t a run and gun offense make a lot more sense for this team and Rex’s philosophy? Why be so conservative? Is that Shotty? Is that Rex? If you are confident in your D, why not take your shots and lean on the D to get the ball back.
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atown is that fresh squeeze or concentrate? Because with fresh squeeze you may atleast need a shift.
So BS Offense it is!!!