Analysis: Was The Offensive Game Plan Too Predictable?
Following up remarks I made yesterday, in the heat of the early evening, I decided to take a look at the Broncos game and see if, indeed, I had exaggerated about the predictability of the Jets’ offensive game plan. I said that I thought the Jets favored the sequence run-pass-pass repeatedly, and that they were very likely to run on first down. Let’s look at the numbers:
The Jets had twelve drives in Sunday’s game with the Broncos, six in each half (not counting the kneel down). They ran the ball to start the drive eight times. Thus, if I were Wink Martindale, Broncos defensive coordinator going into this game, and I were to guess that the Jets’ game plan was to run at the start of drives, I would have guessed right 2/3rds of the time. Did the Jets’ change the strategy? Well they ran it three times in the second half compared to five times in the first half. Coincidentally, they scored 17 points in the second half, and seven points in the first half. Oh, and, for what it’s worth, all eight runs gained a total of 24 yards for an average of 3 ypc.
Taking all the first downs in the game combined, the Jets had 25 opportunities on first down. They ran the ball fourteen times, which is 56% of the time and a bit less than at the start of drives (66.67%). For what it’s worth, the runs gained a total of 53 yards, but that number has to be discounted by Santonio Holmes fumble after getting fourteen yards downfield. Remember, too, that every time you gain five yards or less, that puts the offense in a predicament on second down. Eleven of those fourteen runs were for five yards or less (these runs averaged 2.2 ypc). As for recognizing patterns, they were much less predictable after the first twenty minutes, where they ran on first down every single series, six straight times.
Now what about after the run? What do you do then? I counted eleven such opportunities when they had run on first down. Of these, on ten, they passed on second down. That’s ten of eleven or 90% of the time. That’s ninety percent! These second down passes were successful twice and unsuccessful the other eight times. When not converting on second down (no real surprise), out of these eight third down situations where they had gone run-pass, they passed again every single time. That’s every single time, 100%. Both of their sacks came on third down passes that had followed run-pass. Shocking, huh?
So, if you really want to know why the offense looked so predictable Sunday, it was because the offense was consistently, and humiliatingly predictable Sunday. That’s right, if you want to play the Jets on certain Sundays, just play run-pass-pass baby! It’ll be easy.
89 Responses to Analysis: Was The Offensive Game Plan Too Predictable?
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Yea we are a bit predictable , hopefully we reavalute during bye week. Great time to get healthy and on the same page, both offensively and on defense.Gotta love this feeling,don’t ever remember being “THE TEAM TO BEAT”. One major concern ..what happened in last years draft ?? Kyle Wilson is going the wrong way, we don’t even dress Vlad or McKnight. I hope these guys start developing or it will hurt us down the road.
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I TOTALLY AGREE,WHY DIDNT WE DRAFT A PASS RUSHER INSTEAD OF A WORTHLESS CB,AND A LINEMAN THAT DOESNT EVEN GET DRESSED FOR GAMES,EVERYONE GOT SOMEONE THATS HELPING THEM THIS YEAR
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Holmes was a 5th round pick and braylon was a 3rd (not positive though) plus what ever we traded away for Cro then there is john Connor who is a stud and will be for years. So I say chill next year Vlad will develop much like Matt slauson and money McKnight will work himself into thief special team/return game like Leon did when he was here. Sometimes you don’t always get return on investment right away but we have a lot of talented veterans on this team in front of the 3 guys you named.
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Disagree, we are trying to win the super bowl this year, needed help now. Wilson was to provide that help, but so far has not, and he others were all projects.
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Hackett must go!
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Get rid of Hackett! haha
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shotty calls a good game 50% of the time so far six games 3 good 3 bad, and they can all be argued for better or worse.
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It’s my worst nightmare. Jets make it to the Super Bowl, and Schottenheimer so over-analyzes the opponent that we lay an egg. It’s a Schottenheimer family trait…he can’t help it.
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You guys are too hard on Schotty.
Bad games: Ravens
Average games: Broncos, Vikings
Good games: Miami
Great games: Patriots, Bills
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Voice of reason, I think that Schotty and Sanchez are doing great compared to laste year. It seems like the jets are the only team to carry any kind of momentum from the playoffs. One more thing on the passing situation, we drafted Sanchez to be a Sanchize so that means throwing the ball alot more than you ground and pounders would like. This offense is multi faceted and that means a more diverse range of game plans. Case in point we won the game while the Broncos almost beat us in rushing. That is embarrassing but a tribute to the coaching staff to make the in game adjustments necessary.
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I think jets need more seminole whether chez likes it or not. It works most every time. It seems this season brad smith runs one play and he’s out. Seems like in years past the seminole has been more ‘we’re gonna run it til you show you can stop it.’ Now its predetermined one play deal.
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i agree more seminole with brad running the option more
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Totally agree! Got to run it with Smith at QB and either LT or Greene in the backfield with him and Sanchez has to be off the field!
We ran it 2x in a row at one point, first for like 7 yards and then for 5 yards. Sanchez comes back in the game, confusion- call timeout, out of timeout- then go 3 plays and punt!
If u pick up 7 and then 5 yards, just keep doing it til they consistently stop it, especially with Sanchez having one of his bad days and our regular running game struggling. Just Schotty over thinking things as usual and trying to get to cute, rather than sticking with whats working!
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change it up also he dosent have to be in shotgun everytime theres so much you can do especially he can throw the ball,smart with the ball(never fumbles) and he has great running abilities (speed and vision)…i truly believe if the jets use him and the seminole at the end of the 3rd going into the 4th the other team wont know whats hitting them
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I think sometimes we forget there is another team on the field trying to stop our game plan. Let’s give the Broncos a little credit.
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+1 sometimes I feel like people forget the Jets are playing other professionals that are actually capable of playing well.
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Yeah, but when I see the Jets line up, I can predict what they’re going to do about 80% of the time. And if I can do that, opposing coaches can do that.
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Finally. The voice of reason. No coach or oc is going to be sucessful on every play. Either most of you know nothing about foot all or you are confused because u play too much Madden. Give some credit to the broncs who were called out by their coach give some credit to the jets staff for not Abandoning the run because they knew thst pounding the d line with our run blockers woukd wear them down. Give some credit to the jets coaches for geting the team the team to denver early to get used to the thin air. If you ha ve ever gone to Colorado to ski or board you would know how much of an adjustment it Is and what a true home field advantagtit is. And put some blame on the players. The difference between a great play and one that blows up is often miniscule! A block not held long enough. A missed hole. A bad read by the qb ot a receiver cuthe too quicky. Bottomline is a 5 and 1 record and some wi s against goid teams . So appreciate the staff and the oc for getting them there
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schotty’s play calling this year has been mostly terrible except for maybe 1 game! we win dispite him, but if this continues & we happen to lose then the players will start doubting him & thats not good. there have been atleast 3 to 4 times sanchez has called a timeout because the play or personnel have not been sent in, so schotty better step it up if we are gonna make a super bowl run. its great that we are winning dispute not playing & coaching our A game. j e t s jets jets jets!!!
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A little more play action on first down would’ve been great.
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I keep repeating myself, but Schotty is doing much better than he did last year. Last year it was just run to the right, run to the right, run to the right, punt. He’s thrown in a lot more passes and has shown he isn’t as stubborn as he was last season. Last season he would continually go back to the plays that simply didn’t work. I mean, if this is just everyone b*tching because they feel they need something to b*tch about, then great for you. But Schotty is not the big problem he used to be.
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Seriously, the constant criticism is starting to get annoying. Stop bemoaning a team that’s 5-1. I trust Schotty, and just because something can be predicted, doesn’t mean it won’t work; otherwise we’d all just watch chess matches on Sunday. This week the offense didn’t look good, and while play calling has to be considered for some of it, I’d put more blame on the three turnovers. When it’s all said and done, we won the game. Just let it go and be happy.
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The three turnovers and Sanchez only completing around 50%. A good QB will get that number up above 60%. We could have Vince Lombardi calling the plays and it still wouldn’t matter if Sanchez didn’t step up.
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That’s why throwing on first down helps, because defenses tend to be more vanilla on first down, and are easier for a QB to throw. All I want is balance.
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That’s the thing. There was no balance last year, but this year is distinctly different. There actually is balance to the offensive play calling now. They run and pass just about equally. They don’t just give away possessions by running it up the middle over and over. Maybe it isn’t perfect, but what is?
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On the season, the team is first in giveaways (meaning the least in the league) and Sanchez is throwing 55%. After a game in a monsoon that clearly affected him and the game this past Sunday (where he was clearly overthrowing on a lot of balls), that’s pretty good. Sanchez should easily be able to up his % closer to 60.
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A monsoon? Don’t you think that’s a little extreme? The only drive that was effected by the rain was that last drive going into half time. It probably cost them a TD since they couldn’t run the ball because there wasn’t enough time on the clock. But to say that it was a monsoon that totally threw him into a funk seems like a stretch to me. The guy isn’t going to be perfect all the time, you don’t have to make excuses for the times he doesn’t come through.
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When you’re a ground and pound team, you run the ball first, then you throw. That’s the game plan. Everyone know it. It’s difficult to stop the run because the Jets are very very good at it. The Jets will never be Air Coryell or the West Coast Offense (not again). Run first, then pass. Let’s not forget we are still nursing a second year QB. He’s done a phenomenal job this year not turning over the ball. The sky is the limit, but lets be a realist. The kids young and prone to mistakes. The ratio of run to pass is perfect for now.
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Pass more on first down, run more on second down!
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If you really need a difinitive answer on Schotty’s playcalling listen to Mark Sanchez post game comments. He questioned Schotty’s call to pass in the red zone when he threw that pick. I guarantee the jets will have there best offensive output out of thee bye. I mean passing pct and points.
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Strikes me the Jets should spread the offense, with all that heavy artillery at WR, and then run to daylight, to wear down some of the weaker teams that are coming up. As they did at the end of last year. Maybe even try a rotation with a third back, like McKnight, to keep in fresh legs. Plus I would remove Sanchez when they run the wildcat, which forces the defense to key on Brad Smith as runner as well as a passer. Somehow the longer, run drives keep our defense sharper, so we don’t need so many points to win. What to avoid? Sanchez getting used to this happy feet, and thinking he won the game with that horrible last throw in the Broncos game
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Listen to the post game locker room speech vieo, Sanchez specifically thanked the D for saving his arse. I don’t believe he thinks he won that game at all
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shottys playcalling is below average, not terrible. Last week the Redzone calls where pitaful.Shotty tends to break away from the run alot which drives me nuts b/c more times then not we can run the ball pretty effectively.
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he does it constantly you can’t forget a 3rd and long run every time. i totally agree that he gets in a dumb pattern and it screws it up and when he finally starts getting on a roll and mixes it up he throws in some crappy trick play that NEVER i repeat NEVER works im tired of him trying to fool the defense we got better talent to straight up beat anyone so lets prove it. our games should not be coming down to a pass interference call
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That reverse would have worked great last night, if Holmes holds onto the ball, and makes one tackler miss he could have gone a long way.
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Like that option on 3rd and 16 against Miami?
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I don’t mind the run plays on 1st down if sometimes, they are followed with run plays on 2nd down (even if the 1st down run only gained a yard or so). Denver expected and set up to defend passes on 2nd and 3rd and long. Since Denver’s run defense is susceptible to the run, following up a 1st down run, with a 2nd down run where Denver was expected a pass would have probably been effective. Instead, the Jets were more predictable by passing in most 2nd and long and 3rd and long situations.
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I don’t know why they don’t let Brad Smith pass more in the seminole. Everyone knows it’s gonna be a run, have somebody run out there & catch a pass for a td!
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If they throw the ball out of the wildcat alot, it won’t be nearly as effective.
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They stikll almost always get at least 5yds when they run it. I think they are holding onto the plays where he throws until they really need it
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I didn’t have a problem with the game plan. Sanchez just wasn’t making smart decisions, like he has been all year, and the Broncos were committed to stopping the run. The game plan was decent, but the execution wasn’t very good.
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Hey people on a side note, has anyone else noticed that this pass defense misses Kerry Rhodes? Eric Smith/Brodney Pool don’t quite do the same things for you, and now Jim Leonard is rated as one of the worst safeties in the league against the pass.
I’m not saying we need Kerry, the Jets have the best record in the NFL right now, but I think with a lot of talk before shipping him off about how he doesn’t like to hit people, his coverage skills are top notch.
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I’ve mentioned before that our safeties just aren’t good enough and that we should look to possibly draft one next year. I think Pool we can actually work with, but Smith and Leonard just do not get it done. Maybe in another system they would work, but in Rex’s system there is a lot of pressure put on the secondary to play at a high level on every play. Too many times have I seen our safeties get there just in time to make the tackle, but not in time to break up the play. Our corners have played pretty well, but the overall pass defense is still pretty bad, the safeties have to step up their game. It would also help if we could get more than one sack in a game. Unfortunately, I think Rhodes wanted out of here. So despite his superior abilities, he wasn’t going to stay here no matter what. Or at least, he wasn’t going to be happy about staying here.
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Our safeties are definitely subpar. So far the corners on this team have played their hearts out and that’s what has kept the pass defense good.
Leonard is the QB of the defensive backfield, he makes all the calls, but his physical abilities are limited, so out in coverage he is more of a liability. He is a good tackler and works well close to the LOS.
It’s the other safety spot that needs an upgrade. Leonard is a SS, and it’s at the FS spot, the centerfielder spot, that the Jets need to upgrade.
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Upgrading both safeties would be nice, but it’s probably unrealistic. So maybe they’ll draft a FS. I think my biggest problem with Leonard is his height. He’s 5’8, he just can’t do anything to those WRs who are 6’4. Any time they can get Leonard covering someone, all they have to do is throw it up and let them jump for it… Leonard will never win a jump ball in the NFL… unless it’s between him and Woodhead. I feel like they need to draft for the defensive line, a safety and a WR in that order going into next season.
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“Well they ran it three times in the second half [out of six] compared to five times in the first half [out of six]. Coincidentally, they scored 17 points in the second half, and seven points in the first half.”
So what you’re saying is that Schotty adjusted, and it worked? How horrible!
The Jets came out running on first down because we are a running team and the Broncos have a bad run defense. It didn’t work. And so there were adjustments made, and that did work. I don’t think a “better” OC would have approached that game any differently.
As far as the 90% passing on second down, that’s probably because the Jets weren’t running well on first down. And so you would expect them to run on first down a lot less in the second half…and instead he only did a little less. Big deal. If he had completely changed you’d probably be complaining that he abandons the gameplan too early.
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The Broncos were up for the game.
They had a ton of energy. The stadium was jumping.
We are now and IMO have been the Number 1 target in the NFL this year.
Actually living up to the hype is putting a bigger bulls eye on us.
Everyone gets amped to play us. Every away game is a sell out.
Maybe a little has to do with the play calling, but one thing is for sure the Broncos came to play.
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The Miami game was far from a sell out… and that was a Sunday night game…
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Hater !! Leave the guy alone… the Jets are winning, why are we still complaining ?
It comes down to our players…
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I tell you I say it all the time . About 90% of the time I know what there going to do .
I dont know that much, so if I can figure it out I am sure profesional defensive players can.
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according to Adam Sheifter the raiders are willing to trade any raider even asomough i guess you spell it that way could we get him and revis play safety I dont know just asking. that will stop the colts
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What’s more predictable:
1) Schott’s offense
2) Rex’s defense that blitzes coming off the bus and everyone knows it
3) Yet another bash Schott post on the JetsblogDid it ever occur to you that the oppositions O must be pretty predictable week in and week out or else our D coordinator (Rex) wouldn’t be successful in his play calling either?
You know who’s offense is even more predictable than the Jets, the Colts. Is there anyone on the planet who doesn’t know what Manning is going to do on 60+% of their plays? Yet, somehow he keeps on winning year after year. Same with the Pats. It’s called execution and it’s something the Jets are just learning to accomplish.
Seriously, let’s hack on Rex for a while. The D has been playing way below last years level so far. That would at least have the benefit of being unpredictable.
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Well said, AKA Jack. You reiterated my points better than I could. I totally agree.
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The defense playing at a lower level is really all on the secondary. No more Kerry Rhodes, Revis hasn’t been in there and Wilson is a rookie. If you put Rhodes back in at safety and have Revis at 100% for all these games I think the defense would be right where it should be. The opponent might know the blitz is coming, but they still have to pick up all the guys and complete the play. It isn’t like they blitz with the same guy from the same side every time.
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Oh I see, when the D isn’t playing up to snuff it’s on the players but when the O isn’t it’s on Schott.
Good to know. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Agreed. All the schotty haters will soon get their wish. He certainly won’t be fired but he will get hired away by another team. If schottys the only thing to complain about then the jets are pretty damn good.
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Please let me know as soon as he is gone!
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i just dont like if we throw on 1st and it dont work i can bet my house,soul,and 1st born that 2nd down will be a run…thats where schotty is predictable sometimes you got playaction that 2nd down play…or i hate when we march down the field and schotty will ruin everything with an end around but to be fair i havent seen that this year yet…but beware!!!!
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If we run & it doesn’t work, guys will say we should have passed. If we pass & it doesn’t work, guys will say we should have ran.. It’s getting difficult to read the constant second guessing that goes on, on this site. I expect it from the media but not you guys. The other team does get paid too.
5-1 ..
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we tried the “wind back” play too many times, it was so successful that it was analyized on sportcenter, they broke down how successful Shonne Green’s run was. There was even a post on this blog about it as well. They Broncos never fell for it.
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um, 26.5 pts per game…third in the League…can we relax on Schotty, oh just a tad?
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May be teams are covering him better but it seems defenses knock us out of sync when we can’t get Keller involved. Looks at his stats in games 2,3, and 4…vs games 1,5 and 6.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=11264
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Andrew Weiss,
It is no coincidence that the jets have possibly the best offensive line in football. Sanchez could twirl around, pick his nose, and still manage to get the ball out to his receivers in good time. It doesn’t matter what the offensive gameplan is until they face a defensive no let me correct this until they face a physical team that can match them Sanchez will always get bailed out. The run pass pass scheme is what plays into the jets since shottenheimer has been here. It just so happens after hundreds and hundreds of snaps by Smith, Cotchery, Keller, and the offensive line that the Wildcat and the offensive line scheme and chemistry has been working. Give credit to schottenheimer, he has stayed the course and with that from here on out jets fans will always have their love-hate feelings towards him.
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Whether you want to hear it or not, Schotty is garbage. Sanchez did not play well but, the plays that are being called can make a difference in his performance.
Schottenheimer never established the run. We ran on first down and, if it picked up two yards, because it was a predictable run that went right into the teeth of the defense, we proceeded to pass. Most QB’s need the run to be working, for them to be able to take full advantage of the pass.
This entire season, the offense has underachieved. Schotty has forgotten about Cotchery. The sequence of plays is usually ugly. With this talent, there is no excuse. The offense should be crushing teams like Denver. When Rex wakes up and realizes that Schotty is holding us back, he will make a move. Watch.
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^Jets fan that will never be satisfied ..
Yes that was a shot, no I don’t want to argue.. But focusing on the negatives & ignoring the posatives of a 5-1 team is lame..
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Marvel, If you had a great company, you would always be trying to improve it. We have a winning record but, we shouldn’t have lost to the Ravens, the Patriots and Dolphins are right behind us, and our offense is, once again, pulling down our defense. With the weapons that we have, we should be crushing teams. I am enjoying the season as much as you but, when you have Sanchez, Holmes, Edwards, Cotchery, Keller, Greene, and Tomlinson, along with a stout O-Line, and you don’t dominate — it is like having a race car and driving fifty five miles per hour.
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Harvlis,
Why doesn’t Sanchez use Cotchery? Answer this for me please. Cotchery is the most complete receiver we have. I guess Sanchez is gaga over Santonio, Braylon, and Tomlinson. He really doesn’t know how to use his weapons. His receivers make plays FOR HIM! A recent example is the pass interference penalty against Denver at the end of the game. Santonio if he was aware of where the ball was at the moment he turned around, instigated the sequence by tugging Reynaldo Hill’s jersey. Hill’s immediate instinct was to turn around and he happened to pull his facemask whether they were competing for the ball is unknown but Santonio instigated that play. Both players could have been penalized but the fact that Santonio was in position to make the play and Hill was left reacting gave him the advantage to catch the ball. It just so happened that Hill was caught.
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Sanchez doesn’t know how to use his weapons?
Do some research before you post.
Keller has 24 receptions, Braylon 21, Cotchery 20. Tomlinson has 19, and the running backs as a whole have 26, which is almost as much as the RB’s had all of last season.
You say Sanchez doesn’t know how to use his weapons, I think he’s spreading the ball around incredibly well for someone of his experience level. He’s not getting pass-happy to one guy, he’s using all of them.
….and did you seriously just say that Holmes could have been called for a penalty?
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Shotty’s got to go, plain and simple. He’s such a genius he couldn’t get hired last year. Two years before he was a hot item, not any more. Predictable? Duh. I wonder why they were so effective against the run, than knowing Sanchez is going to throw, they just sat back and waited for the chance to pick him off. Sanchez said something interesting, he said he wished that he could have had one of the passes Shotty called and instead ran the ball. He said we would have been up by 3 instead of trailing going into the second half.
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Bent–
I’ve got a few questions for this week’s BGA, but I wasn’t sure where to put them.
1) I feel like Revis isn’t getting as much credit as he should here. He gave up 4 completions for 66 yards and a TD. That’s a really solid game, especially considering that the TD shouldn’t have counted. How much of the game did Revis have one on one coverage with no help?
2) I noticed someone posted a comment about Ghost being a solid presence on the defensive front. I haven’t really been looking for him specifically, what do you have to say about his play so far this season? And this game in particular?
3) Obviously the Broncos ran the ball on us more effectively than we all would have liked. To what degree was this caused by us having the wrong personnel out there to stop the run? Was it just a case of the OL getting up for the game and beating us in the trenches?
Always love the analysis, Bent. Thanks for the hard work.
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schitty always calls for a throw when he should run and vice versa,he is soo full of himself,im not high on a dude who played backup to danny wherfel,and never played in the nfl,the dude is arrogant,and if it wasnt for our defense will be -3 at best,i hope he changes his strategy during the bye so we can win this superbowl
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also if the wildcat is working and they cant stop it,why go away from it,i will keep doing it until they stop us
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I’m glad you made this post. Last week I thought they ran it on first down every single play. I don’t know if maybe they did a few passes in the beginning, but from when I noticed it – they never went from that formula. Then on Sunday I was looking to see if they continued that formula, but something I think was always the case was either run on first like you mentioned, or they would pass on first and definitely run on second down. They really were very predictable, so I wasn’t surprised on first down when they weren’t gaining much yards on the runs. I’m always a big advocate for running, but I found myself in the second half of the game saying let’s see some pass, pass just to shake things up. Hopefully the Jets realize this predictability, because I really believe with another gameplan that the game would have been an easier win for us.
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as jet fans we must be relentless when convosating about the new stadium by calling it jet stadium non stop even to giant fans
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Funny thing is. I was on a train all Sunday so I could not hear or see the game luckily my cell has an nfl app that tracks the game play by play on one series I called each player sanchez was going to throw to soo if I could do it on a train I’m sure a trained professional could.
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ridiculous statement, he spread the ball all over the field, targets were almost even for the big four. run/pass may have been predictable, who was getting the ball was not by any stretch of the imagination. Sanchez often looked at multiple recievers, not as if he was going to his first option on every play like last year. He and the refs just had a bad game.
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completely disagree that you put your offense in a predicament by gaining 5 yards or less on first down. 2nd and 5, even 2nd and 6, is a very good spot to be in – especially in the middle of the field. Even a 2 yard run on second down sets you up for a third and short, thus the entire playbook is opened up on a second down in that situation
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I am one of Schotty’s biggest critics but I do not have a problem with last weeks gameplan.
You are supposed to run the ball vs. that defense. They sold out, playing 8 in the box, to stop the run on first down. You still have to run to try and exploit their weakness.
But second down, if they keep 8 in the box, you have to throw.
No problem with gameplan, problem with execution, this week. Sanchez had a bad game, refs called a ridiculous game, not Schottys fault.
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A little fact check is in order, there was perfect balance on offense, 30 pass/ 30 run ratio.
They averaged 4.3 ypc, down from their season average going into the game, but hardly impotent considering the opponent was stacking 8 in the box.
No need to criticize this gameplan. The turnovers and penalties (bad calls) stopped drives, not the playcalling.
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A ratio means nothing. Success on offense means everything. See, Payton Manning. The run was never established. Many of the passes were forced into coverage, as the play calls didn’t fool anyone. With our weapons, a good play-caller should have the opposition off-balance all game long. The only one off balance was Sanchez. You can blame it on him, as he had a bad game but, if the run was working and if the pass routes were getting players open, and if the mix of plays had Denver off-balance — Sanchez might not have looked that bad.
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something was predictable about the Jets offense yesterday. I dont know if it was a pattern of the play calling or they picked something up on our personnel packages, but they seemed to call run blitzes every time we ran the ball and when we passed, more often than not, they dropped 8 into coverage. IMO