In Defense of “Schotty”
Before I say anything, put away your torches, pitchforks, and personal vendettas and try to follow the logic here. Brian Schottenheimer has been the Jets’ offensive coordinator since the beginning of the Mangini era, during his tenure there have been more than a few people who have called for his dismemberment and ultimately his job. Schotty’s “west coast,” quick-pass, sometimes uber-conservative system has infuriated Jets fans to the point that his seat has never been hotter, magnified by the ineptitude of the offensive line. But Jets fans, before you start chanting “Fire-Schotty,” take a look at what he has done compared with what he has been given to work with over the years:
In 2006, he had the “pop gun-armed” Chad Pennington and a band of scrub, no-names that included Kevan Barlow and Cedric Houston, remember him? Didn’t think so. Despite his rag-tag band of scrubs and an offensive line that included two rookies, albeit two rookies that would go on to become all-pros but rookies none-the-less, the Jets went 10-6 and made the playoffs, chalk one up for Schotty.
2007, many of you may remember as the “Pete Kendall Fiasco,” the Jets traded away veteran guard Pete Kendall before the season started and the offensive line was left in shambles. Despite the addition of a legitimate running back in Thomas Jones, (who managed to still run for over 1000 yards) the Jets’ offensive line was putrid and it ultimately spelled the end of Chad Pennington’s career as a Jet. Pennington was benched mid-season in favor of Kellen Clemens who never looked as bad as people said he did, all things considered. Anyway, 2007 was a debacle as the Jets finished 4-12, if you want to blame Schotty for that one, I would defy anyone to try and win with that team.
Then, 2008 came around and this is when the Jets began to steal the back-pages away from the Giants and it all started with the acquisition of the fickle photographer, Brett Favre. The Jets made a play for the “ole gunslinger” a week into August, after camp had already started and Schottenheimer was saddled with the unenviable task of trying to teach an old dog new tricks. The hierarchy of the Jets decided they were in win-now mode and made the most short-sighted move in team history. Favre had to learn an entirely new offensive system after being in one system for the better part of two decades. Favre himself admitted that he never totally grasped the system but that was far from the reason the team faded down the stretch. After an 8-3 start, Brett Favre did what Brett Favre invariably does, that is turn the ball over…a lot. The team finished 9-7 and missed the playoffs, not because of Schotty’s play-calling but because of who was executing them, plus the defense wasn’t doing them any favors.
2009 marked the beginning of the Rex-Sanchez era, rookie quarterback, rookie head coach and a veteran coordinator that had to try and win despite the two. For most of the season, Sanchez looked very much like a rookie and they very much had the reins on him, as the Jets ran the ball 60% of the time in order to limit Sanchez’s potential mistakes. It’s safe to say that the offense in 2009 was catered to developing a rookie quarterback who turned the ball over quite a bit and the Jets won despite him. Schottenheimer’s offense led the number one-ranked running attack in the league that year and when it came down to crunch-time, Schotty came up with three of his best game-plans in the playoffs en route to an AFC Championship game appearance.
The 2010 season was supposed to be the season, it was “Go Time” coming off an AFC Championship game appearance coupled with the addition of some big names, the Jets became among the Super Bowl front-runners. However, it was all contingent on the development and maturity of Mark Sanchez. After the Monday night opener against the Ravens, fans were once again calling for Schotty’s head, as the Jets only mustered 9 points but it was obvious they still had the proverbial training wheels on Sanchez. The Jets reeled off five straight wins and ultimately finished the year with an 11-5 record, granted there were a few offensive clunkers but that is inevitable over the course of a season. The Jets once again made within a game of the Super Bowl, with Schottenheimer coming up with excellent game plans in the playoffs and once again, he wasn’t the reason the Jets did not get to the Super Bowl.
Let’s pick it up with this season, the Jets offensive line has looked absolutely abysmal even with Nick Mangold in there and no matter what play you call, the offensive line has to do their job for everyone else to do their’s. Sanchez has been battered and under constant pressure and the running game has slowed to a crawl. Essentially Schottenheimer is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. If he calls a run, there’s no holes, if he calls a pass Sanchez is under pressure, sacked, or mauled and even if he does get the pass off, his receivers (cough, Plaxico) have a propensity to drop the ball.
Obviously it’s not as simple as I just made it sound, there are a number of factors at work here. But if you’re looking for someone to blame, look upstairs at the front-office, ultimately they were the ones who decided that Wayne Hunter was capable of being a starter, that Plaxico Burress, a guy who hasn’t played football in almost three years was a better option than a guy who is younger, has played every year since 2005 and had great chemistry with Mark Sanchez. They also decided that one of the most sure-handed and reliable targets the Jets had in Jerricho Cotchery was easily replaced by a fossil, who has since been replaced by a rookie in Jeremy Kerley.
Listen, Schotty has his short-comings, there’s no denying that and he has become predictable to an extent but face it, blaming the team’s woes solely on him is indicative of an inability to look at the big picture. The truth is, regardless of what you, I, or anyone else thinks of the guy, he has done more with less and has been effective enough as a play-caller to get a young, inexperienced quarterback on the door step of the Super Bowl for the past two years. Firing him now could also be catastrophic for the future of the franchise as Sanchez is still learning and maturing and having him learn an entirely new system would set him and the team back. As I finish this I realize, I’m essentially asking to be crucified but if you look at it maybe your frustrations should be aimed at someone other than Schotty, in an ode to Bill Parcells: he only cooks the dinner, he doesn’t buy the groceries.
106 Responses to In Defense of “Schotty”
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p.s. please forgive the reference to the servant of the Dark Lord Bellicheat, but all have to admit they’re pretty darn effective moving downfield when teams are trying to line up, and keep up…and I feel strongly that Mark is more than capable of successfully executing that same exact approach
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Lou says:
bring back paul hackett. i’d rather have curtis martin draw plays up the middle every down lol
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My main problem with him is the use of horizontal passses exclusively. He hardly ever lets Sanchez take a vertical shot down field to at least keep Defenses honest. The other REAL MADDENING thing he does is call 3rd down pass routes that are always at least 2 yards shy of the marker. If it third and seven you can guarantee Schotty has a receiver in a 5 yard route! WHY?
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LMP23 says:
So after 3 years and if Sanchez is going to be the long-term QB tgere shouldn’t really be any issues with the offense except for the anomyly of a bad OL this year.
Predictable plays, overcomplicated movement and looks that are not working. Plays called 3-4 yards short of the first down marker are not yielding the YAC that are designed for the play, if that is the case.
The offense cannot be expected to come back game after game in the third and fourth quarters every game. We were lucky to win several games last year this way, with the combination of Tone & Braylon, which we do not have anymore.
The defense cannot be on the field and be expected to score the majority of the points to win the games (along with special teams). If your offense can’t score in the red zone against the Jags in garbage time, how can it be expected to score against the Pats, Ravens, etc..If this team wants to win the SuperBowl within the next couple of years, it won’t do it with a sputtering offense.
What relevance does Marty Schottenheimer have in todays NFL anyway? I’m not sure.
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johhnyjetson says:
Ok please explain the call against the fins….3rd and 3 and he calls a rb option pass when we didn’t even get a first down yet.
Or how we haven’t thrown a ball over 30 yards which seems like all season.
The guy sucks bottom line he has very little feel for the flow of the game way to predictable and when we start to get something going he goes back to his old self.
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GREENBLOOD says:
agree!
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Completely agree with the paragraph about the blame starting with the front office rather than Schotty, though I do think Hunter has shown in the last few games that he can be a capable starter as long as the other olineman prop him up a bit.
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Bent says: Bravo.
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I have not been on the ” Fire Schotty” bandwagon. I have actually defended him many times. But I am starting to waver.
Granted he has not always had the best tools to work with, and I am not completely sold on Mark being more than a game manager with the occational amazing throw, but after being the OC for six years you would think that there would have been at least one broef stretch of offensive competence.
Correct me if I am wrong, but over the last six years have we had a top 15 offense once? Is asking to be in the top half of the league in offense just once in the six years he has been in charge asking too much? Is is nice having the top run offense…and it got us to the AFCCG, but you need more than that to take the next step to the SB.
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Bent says:
11th last year.
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Thanks Bent. ;)
Even so, if his best year is 11th in the league in offense after six years should be be scrutinized a bit?
A good OC should be able to do more with less, and granted he has had less for a large part of his tenure, but all OCs deals with personel groups that are no exactly at the top of the league. In the salary cap era it should be the OC that make the group of players he has a ‘team.’
Can you imagine another team that has not had a top ten offense in the past six years keeping the same OC?
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Bent says:
The top ten is nearly always made up of the teams with the 7 or 8 best QBs and a couple of not very good teams that had a load of shootouts like Oakland last year.
I think that’s the point of the article. Have they ever had top ten talent?
If a good OC would do more with less, then maybe Schotty is not a good OC. But does this mean he is the worst OC of all time, the reason for all the Jets’ issues and to blame every time the Jets punt or turn over the ball? I’d say no.
That’s something a lot of people can’t seem to get their head round. When someone defends Schottenheimer, they aren’t necessarily saying he’s awesome, or even good – just maybe not as bad as some of the more extreme comments suggest.
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Point taken Bent.
And I am not saying he sucks. I really dont think so.
My point is that he may not be the problem, but he is certainly no offensive genius either.
It just may be time for some new blood. Maybe someone that really clicks with Sanchez’s style of play.
Maybe it is time for Moore to call the plays for a game…
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Schotty’s problem as I see it, is that he doesn’t seem to understand how to put his players in the best position to win. Rather he tries to fit the player to his system. I was against the Farve thing from the beginning, but instead of adjusting the system to Farve, Schotty tried to make Farve fit into his system.
If your offensive line is struggling, design plays that will minimize the problem. Don’t just keep running the same plays and hope for the best. At least through in a couple of wrinkles so that the other team has to think about it.
And stop all of the motion etc. I got to believe that this nonsense is contributing to much of the false starts, and rushed snaps.
Santonio should just shut up, but I understand his issue. Start designing plays that will get the ball to your playmakers in a position where they can make a play. And that will be different for Holmes than it is for Burress. Don’t just try to fit the guy into the system-
hank/naples says:
John:
Question: For two years you have taken 100+ players and fought to mold, glue them into one team one system, true?
Then please tell me how a coach can scrap that philosophy and change the whole system to please ONE player????
Let me tell you the answer…..You don’t!!!!
Whys a reasonable coach will do is use THE Strengths of that player that FITS your system!!!!
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Bent says:
I think he did design plays that minimized the problem when the OL struggles and they have definitely cut back on the motion. These adjustments happen, just sometimes take too long. I wonder if he needs to get better personnel in the booth to relay information to him, or go up there himself.
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OldGuyJetFan says:
It’s not Shotty, it’s a weakened O-line, average RB’s, new receivers and an average qb that has led us to this.
fot two years D plus running got us to the AFC championship game, where we lost but not due to bad calls. This year the D is average and can’t make up for the O. if every individual plays up to his potential we ahve a shot at/in the playoffs, but we need 2 O-lineman better than fillin backups and an RB that can break off long ones. Maybe Joe Mc, but LY is too old except for occasional decent runs and short passes, and which WR can flat out run apst coverage?
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We had the best team on paper on offense and defense last year so I think your a little off. I agree that we are not as good as last season by a mile but this team and schedule can do it with better coaching instead of players all out skill.
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You folks act like we havent won anything with Shotty as OC. Over .500 4 of last 5 years , 3 playoff appearances in the last 5 years, 2 AFC championship games. Yeah this guy has been a real albatross, we,ve onl;y had the best 5 years in a row the Jets have ever had. Must have been someone else calling plays in our 4 away playoff wins, and 20 victories the last two years. or was it having Damian Woody,Alan Faneca, a younger Sean Ellis and Bryan Thomas, Kris jenkins for part, and LT, Thomas Jones J-Co and Braylon Edwards, T-Rich, leon Washington and Smith.. Be honest the weakest part of the team for the last two years has been at QB, and he had to call games that Sanchise couldn’t get in trouble executing. This year with medicore RB’s and a lesser line with Hunter and Slausen, teams don’t need to keep 8 in the box and are blitzing more .
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To bad most of us believe the players have gotten the job done despite him.
Chad was really a really good QB that underachieved here. Noodle arm?! That’s not true, Chad tried to hard to make the perfect pass every time which cause most of his throws to look weak.
Mr. Marcus, please don’t defend Brian , he has no defense, it’s no doubt he has the mind for it but if you can’t get the players to buy in then it’s done before it starts. His offense never have a rhythm and don’t start till a sense of urgency. You can’t depend on tight execution rather than a well drawn up easy play.
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Mark my words.
Sanchez owes whatever success he has had with the Jets to two people:
1)Nick Mangold
2)Brain SchttenheimerPeriod, end of sentence!!!
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Sorry hank but it the Sanchise that took them to AFC champ game, not Brett Farve or Brian
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Zartan:
Wish I couls agree w/you BUT, you saw what happened during those two games Mangold was out!!!!
Wait till you see what happens next year when Schotty is not here!!!
Confucius Says: Be careful what you wish for……
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I sure you predicted well about him leaving.
pa please, try to go without “!!!!!!”. thanks
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Jeff says:
“2)Brain Schttenheimer” ?
….. BRAINS!!!!!
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Reprocity says:
That’s not a sentence…
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Bent says:
For a writer to even attempt to “defend the indefensible” is brave and challenging, so I think we should all be praising Dan for the most thought-provoking thing he’s written for TJB to date. Well done, Dan.
For this year, the OL excuse is wearing thin for Schotty, because they’re getting better every week. Last week, Sanchez started to trust his protection again, now it’s time for Schotty to – stretching the field would open up a lot of things that haven’t been available while they’ve struggled.
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joey boy 79 says:
I think that is a little premature. The oline had a decent game but against the phins whos pass rush is nonexistent. A good start by the line but the jury is out until we play a team that has even a decent pass rush and we hold the fort.
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Bent says:
Wake averaged 5.5 disruptions per game going in and he had zero. So, Hunter’s doing fine and the other four started 16 games last year, so they should be fine too.
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JPM says:
As much as I hate to say it, I’m really beginning to think that the Offense’s problems revolve more around Sanchez than they do around Schottenheimer. I’ve really been hoping that Sanchez would eventually pan out, but I think it might not happen. He still holds the ball recklessly which leads to fumbles and throws way too many interceptions. I think the reason Schottenheimer is calling horizontal passes is because Sanchez is not very good at reading defenses. At least a couple of times a game Sanchez misses a completely wide open man, and he still misreads coverages leading to interceptions. I think Schottenheimer’s conservative streak is a function of his confidence in the QB. They tried in the beginning of the year to open up the offense, it didn’t work, now they’re forced to try ground and pound and a short passing game with a suspect o-line. Again, I’m sorry to say but this is on Sanchez.
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War Machine says:
Thats wrong actually it did work earlier in the season. Sanchez looked “good” in his first two games. The offense didnt seem to fall apart untill the line did. This is when Sanchez started to struggle but I understand ur points on everything else.
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SackDance99 says:
Wow, a point-by-point rebuttal would take too long. Too bad Football Outsiders can’t come up with a metric for how much better or worse Schotty is compared to replacement level of an average OC. Chad leaves the Jets, goes to a Miami team with less offensive talent, coming off of a terrible season, and without a full off-season, Chad has a career year with Miami, but Schotty can’t figure out how to integrate an HOF QB with the same amount of time. Why did Favre need to learn the system? Why not ask Favre what types of plays and formations work for him and conform Schotty’s system to fit Favre’s skills? Isn’t that what Miami did with Chad? Even employing the Wildcat to add more dynamism to the most unexciting, but accurate, QB in the NFL. What Miami did with Chad and what Schotty didn’t do with Favre is the best example of Schotty’s shortcomings. This season, what on earth was he thinking with that Ravens game plan. No wonder Rex finally took control. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that with a UDFA center, who wasn’t around for training camp, would struggle on the road against the Ravens D. So, maybe a very conservative, run heavy game plan was in order? Yes, Schotty does, on occasion, come up with a great game plan and, as good as any plan can be, if you don’t get proper player execution, the offense will fail. However, this is true of any OC. IMO, Schotty gets dealt 4 aces, and discards 3 in the hope of drawing a royal flush. His system is both complicated and predictable. During games, he’ll run a play that works and never run it again or he’ll run a play that doesn’t work and run it again, like in the 3rd quarter against the Pats when he started 2 straight drives with Greene running to the outside left after being stuffed the 1st time. What happened the 2nd time? He was stuffed. That’s Schotty in a nutshell.
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Big A says:
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Ah… I see what you did there good sir
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Harlan Lachman says:
Sack, a gold plated Kewpie. Great post. You and Kane have summarized the two main problems. Shott doesn’t coach players, he employs his system and his system is so predictable that there have been times I could look at the personnel grouping and formation and shout out the plays.
All the other stuff is irrelevant. The best coaches coach the players they have not the ones they wish they had and their game plans, play calls, and formations make it easy for them to get mismatches and hard for the other team to defend (e.g.,your opponents knowing the play in advance does neither).
harlan
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kane says:
All I have to say is that of Schotty is back next year as OC I will not watch another jets game, until he is gone, 6 years of predictable plays and stupidity is enough for me.
You made the comment that getting rid of Schotty may set Sanchez back, but maybe keeping Schotty is hurting Sanchez’s development. I find it funny how well Pennington did with Miami after he left. So defend schotty all you want I say Sanchez will never get to the.next level with Schotty as his OC. -
I think the problem here is all of us fans and FO want to win so bad that neither Shottie or Sanchez has had the chance to really grow without pressure.What the Jets have done is not possible for everybody Sanchez was a pass happy QB at USC scoring 35 points a game,when in his rookie year he had to convert to a ground and pound QB .managing the clock and ball, that right there should of been more Josh Freeman to me ,Sanchez is more of a Peyton Manning QB. throw allot of passes.Those deep passes to braylon were perfect those roll out passes to keller were beautiful.But his whole style has changed .The jets should of just tanked the season in 09 and just see what sanchez could do ,he might be airing it right now, and we wont be having this conversation.But our hate and inpatient attitude some times make us blind to the truth of what really is happening.Look at Arron Rodgers went 8-8 then lost in playoffs !st round 3rd year won the SB.after playing 4 years at college and sitting behind Farve 2-3 years.We are on drugs to think Sanchez with 1 year of college could do the Same.
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TOON2388 says:
Schotty has his shortcomings. The problem here is that everything that goes wrong is his fault but when something goes right it is “in spite of him.” I have two issues with him. 1) first and foremost the slow starts – either he is a) not game planning well to come out taking advantage of defenses weaknesses and/or b) he is not anticipating what defenses are going to do to stop what we do well 2) play calling predicitability. There are way too many times that I know what type of play is coming – biggest example is a run on 2nd and 10 after an incomplete on 1st and 10.
Schotty definitely takes way too much blame, especially on this blog.
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Toon…what other outlets are there for the airing of the fans’ many grievances against Shotty? Not the old media of the newspapers nor the “let’s get ratings” media of SNY and the other TV networks. This blog is THE MAIN forum for fans of the team to discuss the team, and Brian and the crew do a superb job of being our ringmasters. On balance, the fans collectively understand “what their eyes are seeing” as much of as the professionals in the NFL.
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Who else hates the quick slant? Another favorite is the WR screen where 8 defenders are ready to make the tackle. Also, I’m more comfortable with 3rd and 8 than 3rd and 2 because the playcalls for the short distances are ridiculous.
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Jets-Fan-4Life says:
Too bad I fire Shotty!!!
The worst part of having him on this team is that the front office didn’t do a better job of telling him… “Head coaching offers” like the one he was given by Miami in his first year doesn’t come around often!
They should have told him to take it!!!
If he did we wouldn’t have been saddled with his cruddy play calling for the last few years!
Maybe the Farve year would have been better? Who knows?
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I disagree with 2008 being in large part to Schotty and Mangini. The AFC’s leading rusher, Thomas Jones was on the Jets, yet during their final 5 games in which they were 1 and 4, TJ had more than 17 carries 1 time. Coincidentally it was the 1 game they won in the final 5. TJ had only 10 carries in a game twice during that stretch. So with this I argue, you have a top RB who was running great and a QB who is not playing well, which was later learned to be, but known by the team to be injured, yet still predominantly throw the football? Let’s play to your teams strengths.
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Bent says:
Jones was terrible during that stretch (and down the stretch in every season since he became a Jet) and therefore by handing it off to him less they WERE playing to their strengths. Favre was audibling to pass plays a lot, anyway. Where they really screwed up was by underusing Leon and by not going for it on fourth and one in the snow in Seattle.
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That is simply not true in this case.
’08
L – Denver 34 – 17
TJ – 16 rushes 138 YardsL – SF 24 -14
TJ – 10 rushes – 56 yardsW – Buffalo 31 – 27
TJ 20 rushes 78 yardsL – Seattle 13 -3
TJ – rushes – 67 yardsL – Miami 24 -17
TJ – 10 rushes 23 yards***That was a bad game, but 10 carries over the course of a game gave him no chance of getting anything going. However Leon Washington did get 10 carries himself in that Dolphin game, gaining 60 yards. However in the previous 4 games he only had 7 rushes. Clearly they were not even attempting to establish the run, which I argue cost them that season. I realize Favre was terrible, but taking it somewhat out of his hands, when he wasn’t playing well and injured was something they should have done. Instead of at least sticking with the run like they had for most of the season, when they were successful, they went away from it.
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Bent says:
I stand by my statement that Jones stunk at the end of the year. Maybe not for the last five games, but he was 47-168 over the last three. With that offensive line that is terrible and a drop of over a yard per carry from his pace from earlier in the year.
The gameplans over those last five games were bad though – that was the lowpoint of his career as an OC in my book. Then again, when your QB is injured, unmotivated and playing like crap, what are you gonna do?
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It was no better in the 49ers game where Jones ran for a 5.6 yard avg, and only had 10 carries. Not to mention no one knew he wore down toward the end of the year yet. You still need balance regardless. It’s not like he ended up giving Leon more carries.
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Bent says:
I agree with this.
If you were reading TJB at the time (maybe you were), you’d have read me bashing the playcalling on a regularly basis. It was only last year when I started breaking down the games in detail that I realized just how bad the execution was letting them down. Of course, that’s partially his responsibility too, so he doesn’t get off that lightly!
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I agree with execution being a problem too, but he seems to get pass happy. If you want to say TJ wasn’t running well down the stretch in ’08, well the final 3 games, how was Favre faring at the QB position? At least balance things out. As I have stated previously, the Packers last season were terrible at running the ball, and I believe it was only one game where they averaged more than 4 yds per carry, but they still had balance in almost every game. Is it fair to say Jones wore down, but Favre wasn’t? I think you still needed to create balance, and I place that squarely on Schotty.
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Bent says:
Favre should have been benched. He was that bad. Clearly he was injured. That isn’t Schotty’s call though. It may not even have been Mangini’s call.
However, the OC does control the plays (unless the QB audibles!) and throwing that many times in the snow (Seattle) with a struggling QB – even if your RB is banged up and the box is stacked – was dumb.
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“However, the OC does control the plays (unless the QB audibles!) and throwing that many times in the snow (Seattle) with a struggling QB – even if your RB is banged up and the box is stacked – was dumb.”
Exactly my point! LOL
This has been a constant with him getting away from balance, and I don’t see that helping this team. I agree if something is working, stick with it, but even still a little balance to offset is important. He seems to get away from that to often.
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Hey Sack Dance;
How about this:
“Schottenheimer still gives players a list of openers, about 10 calls they’ll use to start the game and the first few 3rd-down calls. #nyj”
October 20, 2011 4:52 pm via UberSocial for BlackBerryReplyRetweetFavorite@JennyVrentas
Jenny VrentasSame with Farve….he was “too old” to study the playbook….Remember?????
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Sure, and I forgot to add that Favre goes to Minny, again without a full off-season and has one of the best seasons of his HOF career. Yet, with the Jets, Favre was an old gunslinger too dumb to know that his end was near. The theme is, for QBs, to leave Schotty’s offense and have a career year. But, that has nothing to do with Schotty. If you believe that, I have a nice stone bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.
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Bent says:
I don’t believe it has nothing to do with Schotty. However, I also don’t believe it was ONLY due to Schotty. In each case the QB was injured the previous year, so was certain to improve by some measure. Also, Favre came to a system which had been tailored to Pennington’s ability and was a bad fit (and arguably unmotivated). When he went to the Vikings, it was a perfect scheme for him (and he was very motivated). As for Chad, the success of that offense was the wildcat, which took more than a year for teams to adjust to. With 8-9 in the box, a QB like Pennington that can limit his mistakes is going to make huge improvements over how he did with the sucky personnel the Jets had in 2006/7.
Are any of these points unfair?
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Bent:
I hate repeating myself, but I will anyway!!
The main TRAGEDY of hiring dirtbag (Farve) and throwing Pennington under the bus in the infamous day, was that Pennington would have started that season in ’08 for the first time in his career injury free and NOT comming off rehab!!!
That team was the Best team the Jets had since the “Sack Exchange” and Primed for a SERIOUS competitive run (SB?)under Mangini!!!
This was the culmination of two years work and about $200 million and they threw it all away on a mercenary, self centered, inconsiderate, selfish, INJURED dirt bag!!!
This is why I dispise Puppet Face and Suck-Up. They proved to me that were more concerned with PSL’$$ and PR than winning!!!!!
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Sack Dance;
You also forgot (selectively perhaps?) to mention that he was dying and manuvering to go to the Vikings, his #1 choice and USED Tannebaum and woody AND the Jets to get there (the snake), right???
You also forgot the the Head Coach (Childress that is tied at the hip with Andy Reid Which Farve LOVESSS MADLY), that personally picked him up at the airport had an assistant OC that was Farve’s QB coach in Green Bay, Right???
So the fact that Farve had been in bed for most of his football life with both coaches and knew their systems in and out, bacwards and forwards, doesn’t make a difference, right???
So you say that comming to the Jets, a guy that REFUSED to learn the playbook, and was THROWN to Mangini and Schottenheimer can be compared to his experience with the Vikings???
Sack Dance, tell me you are not really doing that, are you???
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We could do the “do we have the good Cro or bad Cro today?” game with Hank.
Hank, you made some good points here, my friend.
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Brendan:
I’m going to cut ot your response and nail it to my ceiling!!
This way it will be first thing I see every moning and make my day……
WOWWWW!!!!!!
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Sack…here’s another one for you. Brees leaving Shotty in San Diego and becoming one of the top QBs under Sean Payton in NO along with a ring!
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Bent says:
Maybe he’s incredible at developing QBs, but just takes a while doing it and just needs his front offices to stop giving up on guys one year too early!
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Bent:
Absolutely right on!!
Right in line with what i’ve been saying…. about Sanchez suffering the most when Schotty leaves!!!!
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Bent says:
Maybe you’re right but I wasn’t being serious.
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tbemont says:
Best article I’ve read in a long time. I am so sick of the incessant complaints about Schottenheimer. Not that he is blameless as far as their problems go but there is MUCH more to the story. At worst, he is an average offensive coordinator. And to be honest I think he is quite a bit better than average.
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its funny but the people I see that are defending Shotty on this blog right now, I rarely see them on here hmmmmmm…
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^ Wow let me know where to buy the schotty glasses so I can wear this Sunday lol.
To everyone else who would be the next OC if shotty is out of here.
Just curious I think Sanchez has the stuff but2 very good points about Favre and Chad Penn after they left.
J-E-T-S ALL THE WAY
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I don’t think he would, due to his relationship with Bill Belichick, but someone mentioned the other day Charlie Weiss, and he would be great.
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That was me thank u very much. Weiss is the perfect solution. Rex wants nothing
To do with the offense and weiss wants to have full control of it so perfect marraige
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To make it simple:
1. Chad was the (second) best QB we ever had, no thanks to Brian Schittenheimer, but to the fact that he is the most accurate QB in NFL history. He saved/prolonged Brian’s career as well as Mangini’s, Herman Edward’s, Tony Sporano’s. However he has prolonged our suffering with this all but OC.
2. Two things about past season that saved Brian’s a@@ are two long game winning touchdowns by Santonio, and by timely Brad Smith plays. Lucky Brian.
3. The worst time manager in football.
3. More recent, I will not talk about the abortion of the play on LT pas to QB. How does he not put the ball in Joe $$$’s hands after the game changing reception on 3rd down that 4 out of 5 our receivers would have dropped?
Arguments?
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I believe Schotty’s contract is up at the end of the year and I don’t see him being back.
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Bent says:
Correct and I’m certain he won’t be back, entertaining though it would be to see everyone’s reaction if they announced he got an extension.
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Bent says:
I wouldn’t want to moderate that!
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What do you think the odds are we could get a guy like Charlie Weiss? I realize his relationship with the hooded one may prevent it, but he would be a phenomenal choice.
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Bent says:
I think I’d prefer someone younger.
Weis back here strikes me as unlikely.
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Younger true, but he did just get through coaching college kids. Granted, he never established a defense, which cost him, he wouldn’t have to worry about that as an OC.
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I would stop watching and soending my money on this team…honestly.
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andy says:
Mass team desertion? It would be worse then the Yankees re-signing AROD.
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One s in Weis. Can we start a hire Charlie Weis for OC campaign? Maybe send emails to Tannenbaum and Woody?
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Darrell says:
lol. The only defense anybody can come up for Schoddy: “He’s not the ONLY problem.” I swear, the excuse-making for this turd will never end. It’s the Qb… no no no… it’s the o-line, wait, no… it’s the front office. This loser has had the most ‘assistants’ ever brought in for any coordinator to try to make him look competent, and the effort still fails. The Jets go nowhere until they unload this Albatross.
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Well I won’t call myself an expect, but when watching the game on my couch if I am able to call the plays before they are executed am I a genius or is Schotty predictable?
His playcalling most of times has no rhythm, but when he clicks he is great. The problem is against horrific defenses how do you go 3 and out like 16 out of 20 times? Do you know we lead the league in 3 and outs? Do you know that Conley is leading the league in punts? Does this help our defense or hinder it?
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*Expert.. not expect
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dakar says:
shietty needs to gooooooooo…this sugar coating doesnt help him one bit…just face the fact…hes holding us back and he simply sucks the big 1…
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Good call Jeff!
To add, Jim Fassel took away the playcalling from Sean Payton, and he still came back and won SB, while Fassel never came back to headcoaching. We are not sending this guy to gallows, but merely sending him elswhere, for attempt at prosperity.
6 years is a long time, a generation of players to “try to get it right” and “grow and groom” bs. Move on, next guy is no good, 2 years and neeext. In 6 following years we will get it right,
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Exactly, its how the shoe fits the foot, etc.
Like how Martz was to St. Louis or Al Saunders to KC, Corryel to San Diego, Bill Walsh to 49ers. Not every coach is going to work wherever he goes, but under the right circumstances he can do pretty well. Who knows maybe Schotty will be awesome somewhere else, but for now he is not living up the billing and his years here have shown it!
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I really do hope this posts give him enough reasons to get another OC job some where else in the league.
The #1 rushing title is complete bs if you run the ball more times than anybody or if you have a really good running QB.
Does anybody on this site honestly feel that the offence over the last 6 years is the type/quality you want to continue to see? If not, then you change the OC!
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Rex complains the fans dont get in the stadium when the game starts. I dont blame these fans cuz why waste your time watching them go 3 and out the first 4 times…
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JetOrange says:
What a remarkable thread…thought provoking..IMO Rex needs to change OC’s for his own survival, a classic HC move. However .I don’t see any better alternatives out there. I am a Callahan guy, believe in continuity. If Callahan doesn’t want it, give Schotty the extension
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Name calling deleted. Please argue the point without attacking the poster.
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The Ed(itor) says:
There is no defense of Shotty’s terrible play calling. He confuses no one and is hurting Sanchez’s development.
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I’m tired of writing about the incompetence of Schott… incompetence on so many levels.
So, here’s a interesting article, from the Jetscap site, in 2008… http://nyjetscap.com/Schottenheimer.html -
I’m sorry, but you’re an idiot when it comes to your defense of Schotty. Claiming that the winning seasons are a credit to Schotty (which ignores Westhoff, defense, and HC’s influence) is shortsighted. Ignoring Schotty’s failures during losing seasons is just as idiotic. However, claiming it was not Schotty’s fault when Farve came in because he didn’t have time to learn the playbook, when he went to a completely new team the very next year and was arguably the very best QB in the league and went to the AFC championship game is horrendous. Sorry buddy, good try.
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Bent says:
Is it any worse than Schotty getting no credit whatsoever for any offensive success?
Favre had played 15 years in a WCO then went to a team that ran a different scheme, then joined a WCO team. Ignoring that fact doesn’t make sense.
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Andrew says:
Daniel, Your football IQ is on par with a faithful puppy dog. Very poor analysis on an OC that wouldn’t be employed except for his father…
There’s an ebb and flow to every NFL season, or so it seems, and we’ve started poorly, albeit with some trending upward last two weeks, so let’s hope that tomorrow the sun comes out, Mark and the flyboys execute, and Shonne breaks one or two crossing over the magical 100 yard mark…then, if the defense does what it’s capable of, all will be well in Jets Nation
p.s. hoping they stopped using the buzzer on Mark this week as I think this pavlovian exercise to make him more Manning like, i.e., quick release, has failed badly — that’s not him, and he’s not had the time to develop the chemistry for that kind of passing game given lack of practice/game experience with the flyboys — Mark’s best when improvising with the game on the line, if I were King I’d regularly have him run a no huddle ala Brady