Quick Hits: Hangover from a Hanging
Ever see that terrible James Franco WWI dogfight movie Flyboys? Remember when the veteran tells the rookie pilots that they have a gun in the cockpit so they can shoot themselves should their plane catch on fire? That’s what I think is happening here with Captain Jet.
Anyway … so, last night happened. Feel the need to talk about it? I sure do.
No More Division Talk — The Jets seem to start the season with high hopes each year – which I don’t have a problem with … but it’s when the rhetoric starts changing that I start to get frustrated. Lead the league in wins … Now, just win the division … Now, get a home road game … Now, just get squeak your ass into the playoffs … I appreciate Rex’s transparency when it comes to his goals, but when it comes to perceptions … it ends up playing buffoonish nationally each year as the team continues to concede their grand expectations downwards year after year.
But We Thought He Was Ready — There are a number of former Jets players who were cast off this team in the past year — there are every year. While there are few who have yet to really produce elsewhere, there have been a handful of players who were not ready for their larger role this season due to the vacancies. Last night the most recent and notable culprit has to be TE Matthew Mulligan. Mulligan failed to sustain blocks, got pushed back too quickly much of the time, and otherwise wasn’t as effective as the team needed him to be. It’s one thing if Keller can’t block expertly … he’s not expected to … but if a blocking TE can’t block … then what’s the use? The Jets worked out Brandon Manumaleuna earlier this season – most likely as a precursor for the Chargers – but they might want to reconsider their blocking Tight End situation right now.
The Defense Looked Lost — The Jets had few bright spots on defense. The safety, a number of tipped balls, but no sacks, no turnovers. No real pressure from their base personnel. A secondary that was confused, play after play. A defense that couldn’t right themselves on a few no-huddle drives. While the defense had looked dominant in recent weeks, they’d yet to face a offense as potent as this one – with as many weapons as this one has. There were too many instances of the defensive players yelling at each other to get to the right spot, of defensive backs exasperated, palms up towards the sky PRE-PLAY. They couldn’t make the right adjustments. The defense looked really bad. There was talk of the Jets defense looking like a championship defense after the Bills game. A championship defense would have gotten the same results on a truly good offense. The Jets didn’t. When Eric Smith is called to be a major contributor in coverage and the defensive line can’t apply base-pressure … then this can’t be a championship defense.
The Gronkowski Factor and the Eric Smith Anti-Factor – The Jets – Patriots matchups since Ryan’s arrival have been a game of cat-and-mouse, and credit to Belichick and Brady for finding a solution to keep the (as currently constituted) Jets in check. We’ve heaped praise on Gronkowski for two main reasons. 1) He’s worth it and 2) because he’s the perfect antidote to the Jets defense. His ability to double as a run or pass blocker is huge for a very spread out offense – but his skills are the next Patriots offensive whack-a-mole (Moss, then Welker, now Gronk) for the Jets defense. Belichick knows the premium that Rex put on corners, and knows his team is a pass-heavy unit drafted Hernandez and Gronk to mitigate the value of players like Revis and Cromartie. The Jets tried Revis there some, but that can’t work long-term. Now it’s up to the Jets to respond to this wrinkle this offseason. The Bryan Thomas injury is starting to show just how important a versatile OLB can be. Bart Scott isn’t the coverage player he was .. add in that Brodney Pool was out last night, and this issue was put into hyperdrive. Eric Smith, looked like Eric Smith in coverage — easily beatable and unable to adjust. This now precipitates the Jets take seriously some very real coverage concerns at the linebacker and safety spot this off-season.
The Sanchez Questions Starting Up Again — Mark Sanchez has to play better. It’s amazing to me how a guy who has been through as much as he has in over two seasons is incapable of shredding a secondary that was held together with duct tape. It’s like he keeps coming back to square one. This Patriots secondary is not good to start with, then they cut Leigh Bodden a few weeks ago, then Chung was out with a concussion, then McCourty gets injured in the game … the unit was a bunch of ragtag undrafted players, and they still bested Sanchez. Not good.
Sanchez had that terrible clock management gaffe before the half, held the ball for way too long much of the night, had trouble feeling the pressure, and was incapable of attacking the Patriots defense consistently. Were there some nice throws? Of course, but not consistently enough to get sufficient scoring drives against this potent offense.
If the Jets are serious about him as their franchise QB, then it seems to me like the almost are getting forced to make a change at the OC spot — just to see if it was the OC or the QB. Since they’ve got a helluva lot more invested in Sanchez … you have to wonder what this offseason will look like, and whether or not an Occupy Florham Park protest will appear if they announce an extension to Schotty.
101 Responses to Quick Hits: Hangover from a Hanging
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Jets-Fan-4-Life says:
Way to go “Captain Jet”, that’s one way to show your support and disgust with this years team!
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spent says:
Let’s concentrate on their two AFC Championship Game appearances.
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wunky says:
I’d rather believe the best can happen and be wrong than believe the worst will happen and be right. Of course, the last two years I wasn’t wrong, nor were the negative nannies right. You kind of get the worst of both ends of that one.
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I really hoped for better from Sanchez. I don’t pretend to know if he will ever be the kind of guy who can put the team on his back and win games for us- but as time goes by and he simply doesn’t- I just get a bad feeling. I mean, those defensive guys he was playing against last night would have had trouble against Sanchez and USC when they were in college, right? why can’t Sanchez beat them now with pro personnel?
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NYJetFan17 says:
i think captain jet was just still hungry after all the concession stands had closed so he decided to eat his finger.
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He’s getting his tonsils warmed up for Belichick.
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http://www.facebook.com/pages/1000000-Jets-fans-against-Brian-Schottenheimer/104252133024352?sk=info
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Brian S says:
if i was on FB i’d surely sign.
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CP says:
I find it interesting that people were talking about how Eli shredded this defense last week, but Sanchez couldn’t do the same this week.
Eli: 20-39, 250yds, 2 TD, 1 INT
Sanchez: 20-39, 306yds, 1 TD, 1 Rush TD, 2 INT (and I find it hard to blame Sanchez for the first pick where he hit Shonn Green in the face)-
Rudibager says:
Agreed.
Sanchez was not the problem.
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elmoron says:
It is the offensive line. It is apparent that Sanchez doesn’t trust it and gets happy feet as a result, often fleeing the pocket early and contributing to the pressure. Brick had a lousy game, Hunter was worse, and Mulligan was…well, Mulligan. Combined with Schotty’s spread, too little play-action, and no hurry-up, Sanchez only added to the disaster with some poor decisions.
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TwoGee says:
+1. Granted, I wanted to see a better game out of Sanchez, but I think he’s getting too much of the blame here. This was a terrible game across the board with a ton of mistakes – Santonio falling before getting into the endzone followed by Folk’s shank, McKnight’s fumble and (Strickland’s?) inability to fall it, Wilson’s dropped pick, Maybin’s missed sack, the defense constantly looking confused and blowing coverages, Eric Smith and Mulligan (don’t need to list a specific example here.)
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Sanchezio says:
How was a pass rush of 4-man nobodies getting to the QB on almsot every down in the second half? Are these defensive misreads by Sanchez and the Oline? I was sick after seeing Andre ****ing Carter get his 3rd sack.
None of our receivers were getting open and the longest pass plays were Sanchez fitting the ball in very small windows. From the TV camera it’s hard to see if Sanchez isn’t seeing open receivers but it seemed like Collinsworth kept saying that nobody was getting open downfield.
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paul hackett's offensive scheme says:
Any chance you can get your boy Rich McLeod to make another “Unstoppable”-esque video of last nights game only with Marv Albert’s “The Spanish Flea” playing in the backgound? And silly sounds effects like a slide whistle every time Mulligan got blown off the ball. Or anytime McKnight…or Strickland… or Sanchez fumbled.
But seriously. My girlfriend breaks up with me and then I drive 4.5 hours to see the Jets get stomped. To see my “franchise quarterback” play like a pee-wee flag football quarterback. To see Schotty calling draw plays on 3rd and 20. To see defensive players slowly milling around looking at each other like they have never seen a three wide receiver set before. To see Tom Brady tapdance around in his Ugg Boots in the pocket for 10-15 seconds just waiting for a receiver to break free.
Somebody cue the Mastodon.
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and by marv albert i mean herb albert :(
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RJ says:
A LOT of this is on Tannenbaum… when the Jets beat the Pats last year Braylon and Cotchery made HUGE playoffs on offense to help us win. Sanchez misses Cotchery, yet they let him walk. Trading Lowery was insanely stupid, he is a way better cover safety then Smith and almost as physical. A team in win now mode who needs to get through the pass happy Pats can’t give away guys like Dwight Lowery. Tannenbaum had a terrible offseason, I said it then, I’m saying it still.
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Cotchery wante dout of NY, I can’t blame Tannenbaum for that. And the way Burress is playing right now, he’s probably a slight upgrade over Edwards.
Special teams made two huge mistakes last night – the missed FG and the fumbled punt – that probably had as much an effect on the game as all of the problems on offense and defense.
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LMP23 says:
How many 3 and 14s were there? Twice Sanchez tried to hit Plax on the sideline and both times it didn;t work. Last year a different player would’ve made that play. The run on 3rd & 20 was a horrible call. What is that going to accomplish??
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Just wait until next year, when all of the renegotiated contracts (to get Nnamdi) come due against the cap!
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Bent says: I wouldn’t worry too hard about that – all renegotiations were current year paycuts with no extra future money.
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Boozer up the middle says:
I just don’t see how this was all Sanchez’s fault. The interception off Greene’s face wasn’t his fault though the last interception was. Sanchez didn’t win this game which is what most of us want him to do but he didn’t lose this game either. I don’t know why they insisted on coming out throwing. Ground and pound would have kept the ball out of Brady’s hand and done just as well. The real problem was the defense and, more worryingly, the coaching. We got out coached… again.
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shifty says:
NOBODY IS SAYING IT WAS ALL HIS FAULT. MY GOD, SANCHEZ SUPPORTERS WILL TWIST ANY WORDS POSSIBLE TO HEAR WHAT THEY WANT.
They’re simply saying that he is part of the problem sometimes and is too inconsistent for a franchise QB.
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Zenlaw says:
Sanchez gets blamed way too much. Yes, he over threw Keller on that second down in the first half for an easy completion, yes he showed poor clock mgmt late in the first half, yes he could have released the ball faster, etc.
However, from my perspective, he had no protection. I wonder if BGA will state, on average, how much time Sanchez had to find an open WR. Part of the problem is the game plan. Why couldn’t the Jets throw more quick passes instead of waiting for plays to develop? Why didn’t the Jets run the more with greater frequency to keep Brady off of the field? Why are the Patriots running a no-huddle offense when they already have a lead, yet the Jets offense lacked any sense of urgency in the 2nd half? Can Sanchez really be blamed for these issues?
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that should be “run the ball with greater frequency”
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Hard to tell when you are at the game. They didn’t even show a replay, and from my view, it just looked like an overthrown ball. Thanks for the clarification.
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Keller ran the wrong route on that pass — he was not supposed to stop (which he did as Mark was cocking his arm)
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SackDance99 says:
Is it the QB or OC is, to me, the biggest question facing this Jets team. Let’s face it, we lose to the Pats because the difference between Brady and Sanchez is too great. Brady can find a way to beat a defense that is geared towards stopping him and Sanchez can’t. Why? Does he lack the talent? IMO, no. He can make all the NFL throws, has a high football IQ, and has very good mobility, which he needs because he’s only a little taller than 6-2. We faced this before with the Paul Hackett years. Ended up that Hackett’s conservative playcalling for Chad was warranted because he was accurate, but couldn’t make all the NFL throws. That’s just not the case with Sanchez, who can struggle with accuracy, but can make all the throws. Clearly, if the Jets had executed the game plan properly, they might’ve won. But, it would not have been because of Sanchez because he just wasn’t given the opportunity to win the game. And, if that’s the Jets’ coaching staff’s decision, then go double TE, in the I with Conner as FB and Greene at RB and run right through the Pats. Here’s some examples, before Sanchez’s costly intentional grounding penalty, Greene had consecutive 6 yard runs, then Mark had a successful pass, bringing up 2nd and 4…why no run? Even worse was right before the 1st quarter was over, Greene had 3 straight runs for 18 yards, on 2nd and six…how about a 4th straight run? Getting the Pats in 3rd and short situations only helps Sanchez. Instead, the Jets, of all things, went into the shotgun! The result? A sack. That’s just poor playcalling. I actually miss Herm and Hackett because Herm would’ve run and might’ve even run with C-Mart on 3rd and short. I’ve said it before, but to me a great OC knows when to run the ball 50 times or pass 50 times. The Jets had established the run early…why go away from it? Greene and LT averaged 5 yards per carry last night, but collectively only had 20 carries for 99 yards. That’s just not smart football. They should have had 20 carries in the first half, at least. If that’s what helps Sanchez, then commit to the run…it’s the easiest offensive strategy in football and pays the greatest dividends in the 4th quarter.
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AtlantaBob says:
Finally! someone with half a brain, guys it’s one game, let’s chill out a little bit, not the end of our season….too many impatient yankee fans in this group……
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AMEN Brother SackDance!
I was saying the same thing over and over again last night. Greene was getting 4-5 yards a carry running straight ahead and for reasons only known to Schotty, they decided to pass. On the Greene pick — he had just had gotten a first down on two straight runs. Why didn’t they just keep running it? Because Schotty always seems to think he can “out think” the other side rather than just run. it. down. their. throats.
New England couldn’t stop the run last week, they couldn’t stop it last night … so Schotty called for passes. I don’t understand it.
And like you said, the most egregious calls of all came out of a needless shotgun formation. At least with Sanchez under center there’s a threat of the run or play-action, but from the empty backfield look, it makes it so much easier for the defense. Just awful and so unnecessary.
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Jet 4 Life says:
Alright. SLOW DOWN with the negativity. It was one loss. I personally didnt get too high last week or too low this week. The Patriots whalloped us 45-3 last year and this is what i heard. Then we go up there and beat them in the playoffs so RELAX. Take this one game at a time and take a look at the NFL. Green Bay is the only elite team. Anyone notice Baltimore lost to Seattle yesterday? New England lost to Buffalo and the Giants who also lost to Seattle. We have flaws but so does everyone else. Bottom line when we play good, dont make mistakes and turnovers, WE WIN. When we dont WE LOSE. Just like the rest of the only pretty good NFL.
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deuce4417 says:
we ran for over 100 yards with not even trying, we should ov had 200 + yards ruching if shotty would get his head out of his ass
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I also am done with Schotenheimer. He has 3 bad games to every great one and never makes in game creative adjustments and is still too predictable.
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starz31 says:
As depressed and embarrased by last nights game I always tend to look at any positives, even if it’s grasping at straws in this case.
Last year, we were absolutley annihilated on MNF with the 45-3 debacle. We were destroyed.
Last night? I saw alot more Jets mistakes then I saw us being straight up beat. The big drives late in the game against our worn out defense, all that is dictated by the miscues earlier in the game. Changing one or two of the NUMEROUS mistakes we made early has a huge trickle down effect on the rest of the game. We drove all over them first drive, Holmes trips on his way for a TD and Folk misses a joke of a FG. No way that doesnt effect our team. Greene dropping an easy catch and turning it into a killer INT? McKnight dropping a huge punt return? Stupid penalties (alebit some iffy and one-sided)?
There was time and time again where we screwed up and we failed to execute. Where as last year, during 45-3, we got straight up beat. And despite ALL that, it was still a one score game at halftime and in the middle of the 4th.We play our game. We play OUR game. We can beat anyone. I believe that firmly. Can’t wait for a rematch.
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Um, we were annihilated once already this year, did we really need another? Lets not act like it’s the same situation. Why this team seems to need a beating every 8 games or so is beyoned me. Probably the personality of the team, they just get overconfidant, sombody starts talking about “swagger”, then they take their asskicking and start the process all over.
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Agreed.
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Relax. Big game but lest we forget about last years trouncing in Foxboro followed by the playoff win. Pats will be vulnerable every week with that D, and if the Ravens can lose to the Seahawks after beating Pitt twice…and the Cards beat the Eagles…anything can happen. The division is not lost, the season is not lost and the week is not lost if we buckle up and beat Denver in a couple of days. Maybe pollyanic, but this league is impossible to project week-to-week, much less month-to-month. We’ll be fine.
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joey boy 79 says:
The pats only rushed 3/4 and EVERYONE else was in coverage. Thats why Sanchez held on to the ball too long and got sacked-no one was open!This was prime time to run like crazy with the pats having everyone in coverage, but Sanchez just stood in the pocket looking for an open receiver who was never free and then he got sacked or was pressured into mistakes. The pats had a great defensive game plan and we didnt adjust.
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Sanchez is inconsistent and still has maturing to do, he is only 25yrs old guys, don’t forget that. He was not the problem last night, and besides a few bonehead plays he played pretty solid. We never really established a run game, which is supposed to be our “identity” We made too many costly mistakes on Special Teams and defense to remain competitive in this game. We kept playing with fire, then we got burnt…Sanchez is not to blame.
I don’t think I am a Sanchez supporter, but I am not going to pile on him either. He is not out there winning games on his own, but is also not losing them on his own. To me, this is just part of the process with a young QB, lets chill out for a bit. He was under pressure all night and we never gave him a run game to support the pass…we reverted to the Jets team prior to Rex re-establishing our run first attitude.
Sanchez’s biggest blunder was that TO call at the end of the half…that is correctable.
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subwayfare says:
Wow. What an ugly wakeup call. I hated all that talk in the press during the week about the, “Jets time” and “changing of the guard.” I honestly think the players and the coaches buy into that stuff and forget that it is only execution on game day that changes anything.
The management of Sanchez’s development has been atrocious and the results were on display in HD last night. Putting the, “win now by not making any mistakes,” pressure on a very young QB, with paltry few college starts, bred the horribly inconsistent game we saw last night. The schizophrenic, loose leash, then jerk back to the “ground and pound,” over and over, has made for a player, who in year 3 is still lacking in pocket presence, confidence, clock management skills and an ability to effectively look off defenders. I saw the pick 6 coming in slow-mo (as did the linebacker) when he did the exact same robotic, look deep, intermediate, check down to the RB in the exact spot he did a couple of plays before. Though I wasn’t a big fan of drafting him, he’s got the talent to be better than he is now. I would have preferred to sacrifice season a season or so, to have him be farther along today. The win right away with a play-it-safe rookie and great defense approach hasn’t worked with Flacco so well, either. Rothlisberger may just be an exceptional player and not a formula worth trying to duplicate.
I’m still not sold that Shonn Greene is the answer as the starter. He’s not quick enough to the hole and is much better against a tired slowed-down D.
I understand how valuable TO’s are, but when your D is clearly gassed, scrambling around trying to get lined up against an MVP QB who’s picking them apart in a hurry-up, how do you not call one and regroup?
The only thing more depressing than getting no pressure out of a four man rush, is getting even less out of a blitz.
Westerman and Maybin’s failure to wrap Brady up after getting to him were daggers to the heart, akin to missing the layup after a flashy drive to the hoop. Fundamentally pathetic.
The complexion of the whole game was firmly established when the beautiful opening drive resulted in a big, fat, no-points choke .
Thank God I’m only 43 years into this nightmare and there’s plenty of time to turn it around.
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DR24 says:
Great point on mulligan… Can’t stand that guy!! How could a “blocking” TE be such a horrible blocker? Better yet, why was he one on one blocking Andre Carter and mark Anderson! He made them look like HOFers
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That was a complete team loss last night. Neither the offense, the defense, the special teams nor the coaching had a good night.
Very dispiriting that nobody seemed prepared for the biggest game of the year.
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“squeak your ass into the playoffs” hahahahahaha that’s funny. Can we say “ass” on this blog too or is it only for you guys?
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Btw, it should’ve been “squeeze” not “squeak”! Can anyone really squeak their butt? That’d be awesome though lmao
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here I have an Idea? trade for peyton manning for 2 years just take his contract and let Sanchez watch and ride the bench. as a backup which will put him at 26 years old. and some real good training .bring in MooreFor OC this team has the personal to win a SB but the 1st half lapses are killing this team chances.then pick up a REAL PAS RUSHER Freeney,instead of DBs. wilson revis and cromartie are fine. Please get a safety boy do I miss kerry Rhodes.and you will win a SB
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Why not trade up for Andrew Luck? If Phil Simms is right and Manning won’t let the Colts draft Luck, we could trade up to get him.
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then we need to go 0-7 5-11 to have a chance but by then the fan base would of committed suicide and rex will be in show business.they is no guarantee Andrew luck will be elite, plus the colts are going after him Sanchez just needs some time he started to early.he should of done another year in college.
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Which is why I said “trade up” but you’re right, there’s no guarantee Luck will have any NFL success either.
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Brendan says:
“WHY DID WE TRADE ALL OUR PICKS FOR ONE PLAYERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR JETS ARE THE WORST RUN FRANCHISE IN SPORTS!!!!”
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Brendan, no offense but you need to stop acting like you know better than everone else here.
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nickballs2000 says:
Mulligan, ESmith, Leonard, …..and the amount of people that make excuses for Sanchez is maddening. The guy went up against the worst defense in the league and really had like 220 yards and 2 picks…i dont care about the 50 or 75 yards he got when we down 21 pts……PLEASE UPGRADE AT SAFETY. PLEASE
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KDDD says:
That awkward moment when Sanchez has as many rushing TD’s as your two runningbacks–combined.
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this defense played well enough for 3 quarters that just a little help from the offense woulda been a huge difference. the offense scored 7 damn points for 3 quarters…..the game was 13-9 through most of the 3rd…now can someone tell me how the offense shouldnt have put up atleast 17 or 21 points by that point of the game. i mean damn. Fumbled punt, defense right back on the field….pick by sanchez, defense right back on the field in their own territory…i mean its ridiculous. this offense is atrocious…i honestly believe that Sanchez is the problem, but firing Schotty might be a quick fix for the forseeable future. maybe Moore can give the kid a different look or something…..pissed off right now guys…ruins my week
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The only consolation today is the knowledge that the Patriots aren’t going anywhere this year, either. There are at least a couple of other teams with the personnel and scheme to beat them in the playoffs.
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Led says:
Worst offensive gameplan ever.
Sure the defense looked confused too often, but they still shut the Pats down in the first half despite all that confusion. The TD at the end of the first half was 80% on Sanchez for calling TO in, to quote Rex, “the dumbest play in the history of football.” (By the way, the team’s end of half time management is abysmal and has been for 3 years. C’mon Rex, learn dammit.) The Jets should have been up at least 2 scores at halftime if they just ran their normal offense, which the Pats could not stop. If the Jets sustained drives in the first half instead of shooting themselves in the foot with empty backfield crap and putting the defense back on the field, maybe the defense wouldn’t have been completely gassed when the Pats went no huddle in the second half. And if they had a lead instead of playing from behind, maybe they could have used Greene to shorten the game in the second half.
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Sorry, but I can’t blame Sanchez for the defense giving up a TD unless Sanchze is turning the ball over inside their own 20.
He SCORED a touchdown. So, yes it was a dumb move on his part, but the defense had plenty of time to rest up and go out there to shut down the Pats. The defense gave up plays of 12, 14, 23, and 18 yards, with a 15 yard penalty thrown in there as well. That’s over 80 yards on 5 plays. Sorry, but that’s not Sanchez’s fault.
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Have you seen the Pats at the end of halves this year? Guaranteed points. If the defense held them to a FG, that would have been a win. There is no way they should have had more than 30-40 seconds left. A team can try to score and still manage the clock properly. It’s walking and chewing gum. Sanchez’s TO there is indefensible. That’s not a rookie mistake. That’s a guy who has never watched much NFL football or played Madden before mistake. Look, I thought he actually played ok until the pick 6, considering the stupid empty banckfield/no edge blocking stuff they were trying to run. But that TO is troubling because it shows that after 3 years he can’t handle all the different variables out there, and therefore his ceiling is lower than it needs to be.
That’s not the only inexcusable mistake, of course. How about the defense calling a TO because the personnel is f’d up ON THE FIRST PLAY OF THE DRIVE!
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Last drive before the end of the first half:
Week 1 – Missed FG
Week 2 – FG
Week 3 – INT
Week 4 – FG
Week 5 – No points
Week 6 – No points
Week 7 – Bye
Week 8 – FG
Week 9 – Missed FG
Week 10 – TDSo, please tell me again how it is “guaranteed points” at the end of the half, when in 9 first halves the team has accumulated 13 points in 10 games, or 1.3 points/drive?
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You’ve conveniently ignored the end of games. But even taking just the first halves, the two “no points” games were (1) the first Jets/Pats game where the Pats drove right down the field, Gronkowski dropped the ball and it luckily deflected to Cro on the goal line and (2) week 6 where the Pats got the ball in their own end with 33 seconds and took a knee. And the INT against the Bills (also, I believe, on a deflection) was in the red zone at the end of drive down the length of the field. So yeah, they REALLY support your position. Even without looking at how little time the Pats may have had on some of those other drives, it looks to me like in the 8 games in which the Pats tried to score at the end of the half, they at least got into FG range 8 times. That would lead me to try to leave them with as little time as possible when managing the clock at the end of the half. Do you disagree? Or are you going to go off on a tangent again and ignore the main point.
(By the way, it’s 1.44 pts per drive under your own analysis — can’t count the bye week in the demonimator.)
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brady had the ball on the 20 yard line of pats with 1.25 left how in the hell is that Sanchez fault, he was trying to get a TD, its not his fault the defense blitz instead of dropping back and confusing Brady that was on the Defensive coaches Im sorry.we took the lead with that Td we are suppose to be an elite defense.80 YARDS please.with 1.25 left Rex needs to do better then that.I could see a FG but a TD
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F 16 says:
I thought the Giants taught us that the way to beat Brady is with constant pressure. He was shredding that zone defence we had and there was hardly any pressure on Brady. This kept their offence on the field and our’s off of it. With the no huddle, our defence looked out of place on every other play. I blame the D-cord. for not having answers.
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The Jets don’t have one elite-level pass rusher. The Giants have about four of them…
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And we made the Pats look like they have 6.
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Our O-line (for years now) is the only one to give up consistent pressure against three man fronts, it’s actually quite funny.
As for Rex, he had the D playing like a bunch of p****** in the second half, allowed Brady to make sandwiches in the pocket while throwing completions.
Mulligan is trash, our safeties are limited (don’t tell Rex), and we lack a killer instinct. Personally I think Rex could fix this (short term) up with a few roster shakeups & stern talking to some of the staff *cough Shotty*.
Here’s hoping for the WC…..again
*BTW*I love the Jets but if we lose to Tebow. My posts will get real negative, I’m talkin “reality jet” game thread level lol.
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If we lose to “> Tebow”, I’ll be leading that negative charge, Marvel.
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i agreed with you about sanchez being good enough to win the whole thing after that patriot game last year. Do you still feel that way about sanchez?
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I haven’t started to doubt him, and I won’t until next season when he has a new O-Coordinator. If he doesn’t progress from this year to next year, I’ll begin to question him.
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Revis Christ says:
Brendan, if you think sanchez will get better under a new OC do you think that schottys been holding back the development of Sanchez?
The way i see it, schotty has the same 10-15 conservative passing plays, that we as fans, see way too much.
Not much stretching the field, lots of slants, check downs, outs.I think, (and pray) that under a new OC with a less conservative game plan he will flourish
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Subwayfare
Look at the rest of the Pat’s schedule.
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Talking about the playoffs. That defense won’t get them to the SB. Don’t think they’d get through Pitt, Balt, maybe even Houston. Hell, the Bills already beat them. Even with home field, they lose more playoff home games than regular season ones.
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I am trying to look at the glass half full. We are still 5-4 with an easy schedule ahead. The only tough games are the giants, eagles and possibly the bills. Maybe Miami as their qb is gaining experience and starting to play better and would love to ruin our chances. KC, the skins and broncos are gift wrapped. Even if we win just 2 out of the 4 from the above tougher games, we end up with 10 wins. I would feel better obviously with 11 wins but I say 10 is more realistic the way I see it. We also have to watch out for the dreaded stinker.
The point I am making, is we are still in it. Do I think we will go on a real run-no, but if we make the post season, stranger things have happened. We have some good rookies who are developing nicely and with some key areas being addressed next season, I feel that we can be a real force next year. Safety, pass rusher, oline depth and a deep threat wrs. I am still looking at Green. Not sure on him. He seems too slow and only excels later in the game when DS tire. We might need a more playmaking type RB who is as powerful , but who can also break one.
I will just ride this season out as usual, hope that we are in the mix but keep things in perspective. Worst comes to worst, we build next season and keep getting better.
As for Sanchez, I kind of feel bad for him. Just as he was developing we had the wheels fall off the oline that almost got him killed, and keep fluctuating with his role as a solid game manager or let it fly type qb. We also changed his chemistry of WRS. I truly think with a solid oline and depth, a developed chemistry of WRs and an acquired deep threat, that he can be a really good qb, but until management figures out what the hell they want and stabilizes things, it could go round and round!
I am just focussing on the broncos now and will take it from there.
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tom says:
ok i mean everyone knows what we did wrong for the most part bu lets not get crazy…i think it was obvious the hurry up offense killed us because we need time to scheme and rotate players around brady…by not getting stops immediately he was able to make the defense grasp for air…special teams was a killer…i love McKnight but only on kick returns….i hate to act like i can predict the future but how many other jets fans knew he would fumble? I know i did…the jets just werent able to take advantage of there first drive of the game and it penalties on critical downs created long first downs in which are offense is incapable of completing…i know our offense isnt meant to throw deep but cmon keep them honest and try to complete a couple deep balls once a game
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watch out after 42 years Tebow beating the Jets is possible.after last night this team still drags on, with the history of never winning when they get respect, and everybody picks them to win.The media played a role of the Jets loosing by writing about how much the pats defense stinks that really worried me.Maybe the players believe it was just going to happen. The Jets looked tiered yesterday, like their had no energy.they did not look like Ryan Jets.they look like the soj.falling apart after looking like they might win.I still think Namath sold the jets rights to the devil.
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My red light went on when ESPN majority picked the jets. Thats when I got worried.
I guess its true, we dont play well in games unless we are the dogs. Unfortunately, the good teams play well in all circumstances.
I wonder how much of Rexs overly confident attitude has affected the jets? Seeing him today, he was so quiet during his interview that I barely recognized him. Maybe he is learning and will stop going to the extreme. It can wear out your players. Nothing wrong with confidence but in my opinion , there are limits to everything.
I think Rex is a players coach and an inspiration but is still growing as a HC and is still learning. He has to stop thinking that he can take any player and turn them into gold or his schemes can beat the top teams without the horses as that eventually wears off. There comes a time when you have to stop saying it was our execution blah ,blah blah, and realize you need to lobby management for the key pieces needed to get over the hump.
I know it is not politicaally correct to say we need beter players at key postions, but lets get real as sometimes that is the reality of a situation.
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rexamus says:
I’m trying hard to not be so negative but I have to point out that both the JETS and the PATS now have 200 Points Against for the season. As bad as the Pats defense is, this just shows how lost our defense has been too…and they did look lost last night.
It was embarrassing to see the blown coverage play with three stacked and Ochocinco, who has been a failure all season long, make that long reception. It was clear no one made the proper adjustments and there must be major changes made. Why is Mulligan blocking Carter??? And even when the game was over after the long pass to Kerley, why in the world are you running the ball!? Brady beat us with the hurry up, why not play hurry up too?
Nevertheless, long season, eight games left, all winnable. Lets put this behind and start from square one on Thursday.
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If the jets want to keep Sanchez they have to build the team around him that play to his strengths. IE, rock solid oline, a cast of RBS who can sustain a ground and pound all game if necessary, TES who can block and catch and a deep threat to keep Ds honest. Above all it is not enough to just have all of these pieces, but the game plan has to also play to this.
Sanchez is much better when he doesnt just sit in the pocket. He seems like he would be better rolling out and scrambling if necrssary ,rather than just sitting in the pocket waiting to be sacked or be forced into a bad throw. When you invest in a franchise qb, you must build around him and play to his strenghs. This hasnt happened yet.
Sanchez is still diving too much head first. He has to learn how to slide more safe or he will be on IR.
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Bill In Saratoga says:
Am I the only one who got excited when they showed McElroy looking over Mark’s shoulder on the sidelines? This offense is not running like it should. The talent is there and the execution is not. It starts with the OC and then the QB. I am not a Schotty fan but the QB needs to be quicker out there than Mark has been. I guess what I am trying to say nicely is: Is Marks brain quick enough to run a full playbook pro offense? A good QB should have had a field day with that secondary if you can recognize where the pressure is coming from. They weren’t running confusing blitzes. I just think he is good enough to get by but can’t make the step to the next level. Time to move on. It’s no good to keep spending time and money on a bad investment. It’s to bad cause I like Mark. He is a good guy, has a great family but its a cruel world when you need to win.
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juunit says:
Well, the good news, is there isn’t any new issue. The pass rush is nonexistent and the offense is incompetent. Pretty much the same issues we’ve been talking about for two years now. Although I do think people are overreacting a bit. The division is still within reach, although now it’s not entirely in our hands anymore.
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Tom Tupa says:
Were there some ugly moments? Yes. I am frustrated by Sanchez, but the first pick wasn’t on him. Mcknight fumble was very costly, but he has been money all year so let’s cut him some slack. Take away the 2nd pick and the fumble and the game would be have been down to last possession. That said, I just don’t trust Sanchez. He still hasn’t learned to look off receivers. He picks his target pre-snap and then goes to that guy (with maybe a pump fake to the same guy sometimes).
I am still confident this is a wild card team capable of beating anyone. Sanchez has played his best football in January so far.
By the way-David Harris’s 3rd down tackle last night was amazing. That guy is most underrated player in league.
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The second INT wasn’t entirely his fault either. The guy Ninkovich was covering fell down on his way to the sideline, allowing Ninkovich to look at Sanchez and jump the route he shouldn’t have even been in the area for. I’m sure Bent will tell us who fell down, I didn’t catch who it was.
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Also, I’m thinking I wouldn’t have a problem with getting a d-lineman with our first pick in the draft. I like Devito and Pouha, but they have absolutely no effect on the passing game. We need to be able to get pressure with four guys. Whether those four are linebackers or linemen, I don’t really care, as long as we get pressure. If Kuechly, Upshaw and Hightower (Linebackers) aren’t available with the first pick, I’d go for Still (4-3 DT/3-4 DE).
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M EaZii says:
im pissed off and this will probably linger with me until Thursday night and come out with a victory, hopefully. i dont understand schotty, why not keep going with the ground and pound when it was working picking up 4-6 yards a carry. its not like we were down two scored in the 2nd and 3rd qaurter so i just dont understand why he would let greene run up the middle for a good gain on first down and then go empty backfield on 2nd down… if we would have ran the ball more and let sanchez pass off of play action we would have won…didnt rodney harrison say that the pats dont respect our run game? maybe thats why we were gaining good yards on our runs but yet again schotty wants to go away from whats working because he wants to stick to his scheme…im tired of schotty, i cant stand watching another season of his atrocious play calling. yea the defense let them score 31 on us but they did their job most of the game holding the pats to like 16 points, the offense didnt execute and in my opinion that is schottys fault by calling stupid plays that werent necessary
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alex says:
speaking of former jet’s opinions on our safety play….
i asked Kerry Rhodes on Twitter how badly do we need an actual safety that can cover….and guess what? he agreed. I think he is dying to come back and would even start tackling if given a chance.
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That would be a positive move, the man can cover and thats where we hurt. Against spread offenses JL and ES just are not cutting it!
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and the Sanchez apologists continue… i dont know how anyone could watch that game and say Sanchez didnt suck. i dont care what the stats say, i dont care what the passer rating is, i dont care. we all watch the games, we all see that this kid looks confused more often than not. How many times do they look confused on offense, schotty yellin at guys to lineup on the other side, sanchez holding the ball for 20 minutes, the overthrows…..its unbearable…if you score 14 points against the 32nd ranked pass defense than you should be completely embarrassed…time to fire schotty just to shake things up…cut mulligan, keep esmitty on specials, and tell jim leonard to go get a job as a plumber…..SHAMEFUL
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Powell Powell Powellerwheels says:
One of the things that KILLED me last night was this…
Run on first for 4-5 yards… 2nd down- SHOTGUN..REALLY??!!?!?
You aren’t going to line up behind center to at least give the ILLUSION that we may run again? Inexcusable. On top of how good the Pats scout out our tendencies.. we have to telegraph it for them? Amazing.-
empty backfield too… inexcusable.
Either do play-action, or go to the shotgun out of the no huddle so they cant adjust.
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boozer says:
Remember last year’s shellacking by the Pats?
What happened?
We beat them when it mattered most.It’s one game.
Relax.
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People also forget it happened in 2009 too (Rex talked big all week, Sanchez 4 picks, 24-0 at half, Rex cried after the game, we fall to 4-6)
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joey the jet says:
bwahahahaha,some of you guys are pathetic,wake up already and smell the coffee,sanchito flts out stinks,he will never be anything but a career backup once the jets part ways with him,mark my words
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We’re pathetic for not telling people with total conviction what the future will bring?
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no,pathetic for believing that sanchito is the franchise qb and making excuses for him such as well,its only his 3rd year,and his stats are good,we all saw the game last night and few other games this year,and last year,this kid doesnt not have It,and does not get IT,he is simply not good,let him finish off this year,and have open competition for the job next year,with him,mcelroy and a decent backup,and whoever plays better in camp and in the preseason becomes the starter,we need to stop handing him stuff on a gold platter,he has to earn the job
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When have I made an excuse for him? I do not appreciate when people like you, who take prognostication to the extreme by only allowing for one potential outcome in the future, to put words into my mouth.
I don’t know what Sanchez will become, and I would never take an extreme side on it. When someone does take an extreme side — like you asking us to mark your words that he will be a career backup, or the opposite, if some bozo told us all that without a doubt he will be a perennial Pro Bowler — either way I would find it ridiculous.
That is why you hear the backlash. Not because of which view you took, but because of the extreme conviction you take on it without a single thread of reality that none of us know the future. So, when you say these things, people will reply with hy it is possibly not the case. If someone else were to claim that Sanchez will, without a doubt, be a Hall of Famer, I’d have plenty of reason to defend against that definitive claim as well.
Lastly, if you don’t think that winning two road playoff games in his first two years at age 23 and 24 is not earning the job, that’s diabolical, especially considering he did it playing under an offensive coordinator who you claim to be the worst in the world and holding this offense back.
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If we were watching the same playoff games,you must be talking about a defense that blanketed Palmer and the Bengals and then blanketed Rivers and the Chargers,taco didnt do much but manage a game,a high school qb can hand it off to Thomas Jones and Greene and watch them run all over the other teams defenses.
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Justin says:
What kills me is that while I like Rex’s brashness and football accumen, he doesn’t run a tight ship. His players are painfully undisciplined and it shows it almost every game. Yesterday, the one thing the Jets had to do was play smart and reduce the mistakes…well in my 30+ years of watching, I can’t remember a game with so many foolish mistakes. I’d be interested to see if Bent can point all of them out (this weeks BGA might be a record breaker). Every single drive had at least 1 bonehead play.
Not sure what else to say here, but that was one of the most pathetic showings I’ve ever witnessed. Worse than last years drubbing in NE, because it was at home, and they basically couldnt get out of their own way.
Watching Woodhead gain first down after first down, was nauseating, watching Smitty get burned by every reciever was similarly sickening. Cromartie getting torched by Ocho Stinko for what should have been a TD, was astounding. Kyle Wilson was back to his 2010 form, getting beat left and right and dropped a huge INT. I could go on and on lambasting just about every Jet player for individual performance. Just terrible across the board.
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After this game I am certain Dustin Keller is only signed to an 8-game season. He disappears while the TE for the other team manhandles STARTER Eric Smith.
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andres reyes says:
either that or he was fueling that thing on his head
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John Foley says:
We are a good team without a true leader.We don’t have that field general who will take control of the game when the momentum shifts.The Patriots gave us plenty of opportunities to cease the moment, but our QB just gave it right back.Obvisouly, it is not all his fault but he does nothing to help.Never a big play from him. I finally saw him throw the ball in the air for more than 30 yards. First time all year.He is a dink and dunk guy that can’t think on his feet or read a defense.Maybe nobody is developing him or he is just not getting it.I’m sick of watching him on the sidelines with the glazed over look in his eyes.How about huddling up with your OC and go over pictures of coverages.This is the NFL, you don’t get 6 seconds to find a reciever.He’s a good guy that trys hard and says all the right things but it’s getting old.I agree with one of the other comments, either he has to go or Schotty.My suspicion is neither one will be here in 5 years!
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gmlongo says:
I don’t get all the hate for Sanchez…he was the LEAST of our problems last night. The pick 6 was irrelevant, the game was already over at that point. The Pats couldn’t stop the run all night, but for whatever reason, we seemed to abandon it at all the wrong times.
Other than that, we could have the worst cover safeties in the league and Mulligan should have been cut by now. He was absolutely horrible.
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Have to disagree about Mulligan, sending a tight end to block a DE is a recipe for disaster, they should have had a lineman chipping Carter as soon as they saw Mulligan struggle to contain. That was the story of the game, it was the minor adjustments that weren’t made, it was players slightly out of position (if you want to trash Eric Smith I’ll give you that one) and when you do that against Brady he’ll make you pay. Then again I could be drunk.
Overrated, over-hyped & under-coached. When you see the real thing, the fake can be easily picked out. The Pats second team secondary beat our first stringers. Pitiful… and our coaches had no answers. This team has to play perfect football in order to beat the top teams in the NFL and HOPE that the other team makes mistakes.
The Jets just don’t have enough impact players that can dominate a game. No every down pass rusher that can consistently pressure the QB, no RB that can take it to the house on any snap, no mega tron receiver that can beat double coverage, no elite QB that can throw for 300 yds every game. No dominating LB or safety that can stuff the run AND cover an good TE.
At times, Rex has been able to do a lot with the players he has, but the elite talent is not there… and it shows in the most inopportune times like last night. No diamonds in the rough, just zirconias. They believe they’re diamonds, and then they are exposed to be just fakes.
“Playoffs? Don’t talk about playoffs! Playoffs? You kiddin’ me?”
Right now it seems unlikely that this team will be able to go on the road against Pittsburgh or NE and win a playoff game. No step forward, just some key players getting older, slower, and some young players showing that they aren’t of elite caliber, and finally a bunch of mediocre players that make costly mistakes.
Sorry guys, this game took a lot out of my faithful 45 years as a Jets fan.