Mangold Thinks Team Will Hug it Out?
Nick Mangold knows that as the Jets look towards 2012, there’s going to have to be some work by the team to get all the outstanding issues discussed among teammates.
While it’s a vacation now, Rod Boone of Newsday writes that the Jets Center expects that there will be a pow-wow at some point to work out how to move forward …
Sometime after they do get back, Mangold is sure many of his teammates will sit down together and smooth things out like brothers.
“That’s exactly what I would expect,” he said. “Unfortunately, I don’t have any brothers, so I’m not exactly sure how it all goes down. But from a bunch of my friends having brothers, that’s what it appears to me, that that’s how things go about happening. I think you just get it all out there, grab a beer later and you move onto the challenge at hand.
“And that’s getting a lot better for next year.”
No one is saying the names, but everyone knows it boils down to Tone and Mark. Will Tone attend Mark’s offseason passing camp? I think that will be a good indication of how serious both sides are at hammering out reconciliation. I’d like to think that everyone’s a professional and can move past what happened at the end of last year, and after everything Tone did, one has to wonder whether they will “hug it out” this spring.
127 Responses to Mangold Thinks Team Will Hug it Out?
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mataos says: January 18, 2012 at 7:10 pm "I don't buy it" says:
Everything will be fine. Good Lord please get us through this next week and move us on to FA and the draft.
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Scouse Jet says:
Mark will invite Tone, but more importantly, it’s clear that Nick is the heart of this team. The man’s a leader and a warrior
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Bob Vopat-Fan since 1965 says:
I think some people wear rose colored glasses’ They will pretend (Mark & Tone) that they now love each other like brothers. That’s great reading in fairy tales. Mark will be instructed that he make passes to Tone to appease his selfish ass & Mark might be able to throw ball down field if her ever gets some guts while under pressure but if all else fails see me as I hjave a bridge in Brookly that I’m looking to sell. Any buyers ??
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hank/naples says:
Bob Vopat-Fan since 1965:
Absolutely right on…..Mangold’s fairy tale attitude is wearing thin!!!!
Enough said!!!
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mike_francesser says:
I don’t claim to know what’s going to happen, but I also don’t see how grown men coming together and talking out their issues is a fairy tale scenario.
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Tom in Raleigh says:
Because you know better than a guy who as been in training camp, practice, meetings, games and the locker room with these guys for two years?
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jerk says:
I also thing Mangold has to be the leader of this team and its good that he said this. There shouldn’t be in an issue they should be able to make everything right there men not woman and its not like there feuding over something so personnel that they cant come back from.
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Brendan says:
What’s the opposite of “rose colored glasses”, blackout shades? You got ‘em, bud.
Sanchez will be instructed to throw balls to Holmes not because Holmes is selfish, but because he just so happens to be the best playmaker on the Jets’ offense. By a lot, actually.
This was also a nonsensical train wreck of bad grammar and incomplete thoughts. Sanchez can throw deep, but there isn’t a QB in the NFL who can consistently throw deep if he has under 3 seconds to throw. Sanchez didn’t seem to have any trouble letting loose a deep ball in 2010, when he had time.
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PDow says:
Bad grammar? You realize you’re on a NY Jets commenting section, right? Geez, somebody needs to get a life.
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I don’t think he was attacking the post for the grammar as much as he was pointing out that it was a jumbled, sporadic line of thinking and the lack of punctuation made it challenging to follow the thought process. At least that’s what I got from Brendan’s comment.
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I think even Tone said post Miami disaster that he and Mark just need to figure it out and put in the work.
An off season heals bruised feelings and while I am one of the few that don’t completely blame Tone for what happened. It’s really on Tone to make sure this works. Everybody else is on board.
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I think some people wear poop-colored glasses. That’s right, I’m a grown man who uses the word “poop”.
Why do people come to this blog for the sole purpose of being negative? It’s not like anyone besides fans read this. If you really want to get a message to management because you disapprove, buddy you’re going about the wrong way. -
neauone says:
Fan’s have a voice in giving their opinion, be it negative or positive. I for one would like to see them iron this all out. I am also of the mind that the local news organizations and ESPN keep this or kept this a burning issue. The Jets have crashed and burned, the team is in disarray and that their is no unity. I think there is more unity than people let on to, likewise I think Woody has asked the team (Rex) to tone down if you will the rhetoric. Yes the Jets have issues all teams do. This is a team with a core of good players, and some of those good players happen to be proud players too. So it isn’t so unusual for a player who wants the ball badly and perhaps the notoriety that comes with having that responsibility to be unhappy. If Tone can’t come in and act like a man, man up, and be a leader than I think his career is over. Sit him or cut him. But I think he comes back strong, and the Jets add the missing pieces to bring this team back to the playoffs.
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spent says:
Maybe we can get Braylon to straight up murder Tone.
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vurtualife says:
Happened across this a couple days ago.
Jets-Pats 2011 Divisional Playoff game.
Startling, the difference between the team that played the above game, and the team that played this past season. Also makes the absence of a threat like B. Edwards all the more obvious.
I can watch this over and over again for weeks.
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The difference in that game was the blocking, not Braylon. Braylon didn’t do anything that Plax couldn’t have done this year, but the line played exceptionally well and the team ran all over the Pats.
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Agree Re: blocking, disagree Re: ‘Braylon didn’t do anything Plax could’ve done’.
Let’s not get carried away, now.
Plax showed his age, particularly towards the latter part of the season. Either that, or he wasn’t a good enough team player when it counted.
Braylon was a gamer and showed it — particularly in the game linked above. He’s also faster and more athletic, and most importantly, other teams had to adjust to him, allowing Holmes to free up more often.
Now, I’m not saying Plax wasn’t a solid contributor — he absolutely was — but one is not equivalent to the other.
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Braylon had 2 catches for 52 yards and a touchdown. We all remember the TD, and Plax showed he’s just as capable, dragging three guys against Buffalo about 10 yards to the 1 foot line this year.
The other was a broken play, where Sanchez was given about 6 full seconds before finding Braylon (who would have gotten Sanchez sacked with the line playing the way it did this year) who had only gotten open once the DB peeked into the backfield and he broke off his route and improvised. 37 yard catch, but even with Plax being slower he can run 37 yards in 6 seconds, I think.
Plax could certainly have done what Braylon did that day, that wasn’t the big change.
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Again, I disagree. All conjecture, regardless, since he [Plax] DIDN’T play in that game, and therefore you can only presume that he MAY have been able to replicate Braylon’s output that game. A bit silly to simply INSERT Plax into that game and assume all other criteria [play-calls, schemes, completions, etc] would remain the same.
And again, it wasn’t so much the final numbers as it was Braylon’s mere presence on the field, and how it helped open up other opportunities for Holmes. And let’s not also forget Cotchery’s presence in that game as well.
Kerley seems well on his way to at least fill the role Cotchery left behind, but for that game, having those 3 receivers was crucial in the win.
We simply just didn’t have that same combo this year, though that can all change — perhaps dramatically — going into this next season, if the right moves are made and Sanchez/Holmes can get on the same page again.
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My comment was in response to someone saying that a big reason that the team struggled was Braylon being gone. Plax would have been more than adequate for a #2 receiver if the team had the same play from their line.
My point is, if you take Braylon out of that playoff game, and add Plax, the result and gameplan don’t change. They were a run-first team that day that used play actions and built their passing game off of that.
The combo was fine this year, the playcalling and how they used their behemoth receiver was most definitely not.
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Nick says:
You continue to crack me up.
You spent much of this regular season saying nothing negative about Shotty, but the second he’s gone you start acting like he’s been the biggest problem all year (not that he wasen’t).
You do this why? You do this to protect the current players. You ALWAYS do this. A guy is great till leaves the team, then he was terrible and his replacement will be great.
This is why people believe your paid by the team or SNY to post positive things.
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“You spent much of this regular season saying nothing negative about Shot”
False. This is completely untrue. I know that is the perception, but people tend to just read what they want to, or not read my posts at all.
I criticized Schotty a lot, believe it or not. I consistently said he used Plax incorrectly (and by “consistently”, I mean “daily”). I consistently said his gameplans weren’t great (Ravens game? Giants game? Among others…). I consistently said he needs to simplify. I consistently said he needs to throw deep, if just to show the other team you can do it. I consistently said he needed to chip the end on Hunter’s side, which he never did. Should I keep going? Because I can.
If you mean I ALWAYS post on this board, yeah, I do. If you mean I ALWAYS change my points so I’m never wrong, you are in fact, wrong.
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Brenden, your wasting your time. I know the deal with you.
That said, I’ll go back to ignoring most of it and enjoying your posts/our debates….which I realize I’ve promised before, but when you start on BE it’s my soft spot.
8 years from now, when we dump Mangold, and I say he’s a washed up has-been, I suspect you may find you have nexpectedly developed your own soft spot.
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At least my soft spot will be a decade in the making, not two seasons. And Mangold isn’t a me-first guy, which Braylon is.
And how do you still misspell my name, Neck?
And if I knew that I could actually get paid to post things on a board in support of a team, I’d likely have a new line of work by now haha.
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And I don’t have “a deal”. I said all of those things many times, which would therefore indicate I don’t just blindly support the team.
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I’m not sure my soft spot chould be a guy who has zero leadership skills. Way to police the offence Mangold.
Braylon was never a me-first guy on this team….
I misspell everything, it’s a tyoing thing…as in, I can’t type.
My friend has a nice little deal, certain ammount of posts in a certain span of time, with the only rules that he has to post things in support of the team. It’s thru MSG networks advertising dept., not the team,i suppose they think it helps ratings.
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I was just joking about the spelling. By my count, there’s about 11 different spellings for my name that I see regularly, I stopped taking offense to it about the 600th time I was called “Brandon”, which was when I was around 5 years old.
Driving drunk at 4am or whatever? Pretty selfish…
And do not start to slander Mangolden Grahams. YOU WANT A WAR YOU CAN HAVE ONE.
Seriously, this is the “hug it out” thread. Let’s hug it out.
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I thought that would rile you up!
ok, in support of this thread, i’m ready to hug it out.
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Actually, my friend is a paid poster on a Knicks board. So sure he’s probably not, but it DOES occur.
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I agree — play-calling was absolutely an issue, but it was also an issue last year as well [and the year before].
IN other words, not sure if it was just a simple matter of play-calling. While I do agree that Plax-instead-of-Braylon shouldn’t have made much of a difference in production, it did impact overall productivity, and apparently, chemistry.
It was likely a combo of poor play-calling, inability to maximize Plax’s strengths, but also the fact that Plax simply didn’t have the speed/separation Braylon had [and the inability to ADJUST the play-calls to that difference -- again, not maximizing strengths. One of SChott's weaknesses was the way in which his play calls in some ways only magnified certain weaknesses instead of maximizing strengths]
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Braylon’s chemistry with Sanchez may have been missed…but I don’t think Braylon’s numbers would have been much better than Plax’s were. If I recall correctly, their speed was about the same at the combine (not real fast) I am not sure that Plax was much slower.
The pass rush on Sanchez was much faster though.
Playcalling was atrocious for this team last year…and yes Schotty was terrible for years on figuring out how to attack weaknesses while maximizing his team’s strengths
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I dunno my eye test says braylon (2010) was more explosive than Plax (2011) but when it comes to a jump ball it’s pretty even, slight edge to plax because of the sure hands.
I guess the only thing we can hope for is 2012 Bray and or Plax > 2010/2011 Bray/Plax.
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Stop, stop, stop. Just stop with your continued defence of last seasons moves. They didn’t work out, everyone knows they didn’t work out, so just let it go.
How is it that you do not understand why you are considered such a magnificent homer?
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Because every single one of you takes all context out of the discussion.
Yeah, the Jets told Braylon to Eff off instead of signing him to a $1 million deal. That’s what happened. Tanny is a souless jerk, Woody is a cheap a-hole, and poor, poor Braylon was just the victim of a heartless machine of veteran cuts and lowballed contracts.
There were so many magnificent RTs out there that the Jets should be docked a first rounder for not bringing two of them in immediately. They could have had 5 Pro-Bowlers starting, what a bunch of CLOWNS!!
Let’s just look at the moves themselves, and not factor in extenuating circumstances, money, roster growth, a lockout, retirements and injuries. It was simply Plax over Braylon, Hunter over Woody, all so Woody Johnson could dive into a pool of $8 million $1 bills with the money he saved under the cap.
How’s that? Is that a post you can approve of?
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No, because you do not believe a word of it.
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And you do?
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obviously not. the truth is somewhere in themiddle.
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JohnnyBGoode says:
Plax never seemed to get any separation this year.
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Or any year, really. He was always a good route runner and an extreme physical mismatch for most DBs. This is how most of his plays were made. I still think he wasn’t properly used.
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Although, when watching the above footage, some of the offensive play-calling was still clearly an issue. Miscues and inability to capitalize in key situations.
Luckily, our defense that year made up for such discrepancies.
Let’s see how it plays out this year with a new coordinator.
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Olerud_4_LIfe says:
I cried…internally, but i cried
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ramble914 says:
The team has no choice but to make it work with Holmes. They are in a perfect position to work out the differences now that they have a new OC, who has no loyalties, history, or whatever with any body on the team. It’s a clean slate as afr as Sparano is concerned. It’ll be fine.
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In my observation , Sanchez shut down/shut out some or everyone(5 games in). If it’s between he and Tone, there’s a lot of work to be done. Sanchez is a high character guy and for him to shut down is nothing to blow off.
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runleon29 says:
with the gradual departure of thomas jones, alan faneca, jerhico cotchery, damien woody, and tony richardson this team will need to rely on the likes of nick mangold and darrelle revis to be more active and vocal leaders.
the problem is, i don’t think tone could care less about what other people think and say. he’s got his superbowl ring, he’s got his big contract and in his mind, all the time is Tone Time. he’s like the honeybadger of teammates- honeybadger takes what he wants and honeybadger doesn’t give a $#it. -
Zenlaw says:
I trust Sanchez to try and make it work. My concern is whether Holmes will also be reasonable.
I was happy that the Jets signed Holmes (over Braylon) because I thought Holmes was the bigger playmaker. However, as soon as he tweeted that self-portrait with the champagne, I started to be concerned about his character. Based on everything that has happened, Holmes may just be in it for himself.
On a side note, remember when McElroy was complaining that some of the Jets were only concerned about personal stats. Is it possible that LT was one of those players? Maybe LT made those comments on Inside the NFL as a passive-aggressive response to McElroy.
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orjetsfan says:
The continuing discussion about who was better involving Holmes or Edwards seems simple to me.
Santonio and Braylon were in competition with each other, it may have brought out the best in each of them. They were not really friendly with each other it seemed, just competitive. Santonio and Plaxico seem to be buddies, is it possible that Plaxico could have had the most influence on Santonio’s attitude last season? Is Burress the leader that we need him to be in this area? -
Bob Kole says:
Guys, it was a comibination of things that caused Jet loses and issues in the locker room, not just QB and WR fighting. Personally I think what will happen is new OC and Rex will talk to them both. I think Mangold,Revis and Pouha will keep rest of team in line. Finally if they win all will be forgotten.
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Lam Jones says:
You might be right, but either way Plax is history. I personally don’t think the Jets will do anything too aggressive at WR through free agency, but maybe a Steve Smith (or someone else cheap with upside) and a mid round draft pick or 2.
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Pete B. says:
THe only way this will get better is if the Jets get a new QB or at the very least a viable backup. I am a huge jets fan, but i hate mark sanchez. Not only is he careless, tentative, and stupid, he is a very bad captain / leader.
Would be the happiest person alive if they got Peyton!
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nickballs2000 says:
i still think its blatantly comical for people to still be whining about Faneca , TJones, Edwards, Leon, and ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON…
there is turnover on every single team.. and as far as im concerned we got rid of Faneca and Jones at the perfect time….and still went deep in playoffs without them.
Cotchery i would have liked back, but lets be serious guys, he caught like 10 balls all season. Edwards ? seriously? hes the reason we struggled? he was cut from his team before the playoffs.. that says about all i need to know. and NOBODY wanted to pay his contract demands last offseason, so what did the Jets do wrong? we were a couple plays from being 10-6 and in the playoffs. you can wear whatever color glasses you want but those are the facts. Not having Faneca, jones, leon, edwards, cotchery didnt effect SH$$-
T-Rich! You forgot about T-Rich. How did we let his leadership walk away?!? Waaaaaaaaa. Also, we should have resigned a 300lb man coming off of a catastrophic knee injury who, instead of finding another team, retired! Waaaaaa.
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WAAAAAAAAAAA….WAAAA…IF WE HAD BRAYLON WE WOULDA WENT 15-1 AND STEAMROLLED THE LEAGUE….WAAAAAAAAAA….CLUELESS
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I don’t think anyone here said or implied anything remotely like that, sherlock.
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They totally have implied things at least remotely like that. Maybe not quite 15-1 but the intent? For sure.
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if we woulda just had TJones and his 2.6ypc, we woulda probably dominated the NFL….because he lead the Chiefs to the playoffs…oh wait
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This team should have paid Jay Feely. Jets would have a ring by now!
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Yes, lets just never discuss roster moves, because lord knows that has nothing to do with if you win or lose….
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I think they’re making light of the fact people still bring up roster moves from 2, 3, even 4 years ago, like they had an impact in 2011.
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THANK YOU BRENDAN FOR GETTING MY POINT…..any daily reader of this site through the years knows that people will bring up old moves constantly. Ive heard the Braylon argument 598 times since November….just like i heard about jones, faneca, etc…. This team didnt play well this year but had quite a few games right there for the taking…they didnt get it done, but to keep blaming old moves is ridiculous…
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+1. So well said. All the time on those moves. It’s the “We let talent and veteran leadership walk away” argument.
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So the Braylon argument is an old one that should be put to rest? It freaking occured THIS offseason.
Additionally, you don’t think discussing if the team would have been better off this season with Bralyon and Plax over Holmes and Plax is worthy of debate?
That’s what you do at seasons end, you DISCUSS the offseason moves to debate how it turned out.
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its probably worthy of debate…the other moves i hear people whine about are just annoying and should be left in the past. The thing about the braylon argument is that he SUCKED this year and got hurt. Do i think he would have been healthy just because he wore a green jersey instead of a red one, NO i dont……People like to just assume that if he played for us, he would have had a completely different year than the one he had.
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If your walking down the street and twist your knee do too some randome event, does it follow that if you were walking down some other street in some other place you would have injured yourself just the same?
Football is filled with randome collisions. I’d say that the odds of him getting hurt in the same way if he were in Green and White are essentially ZERO.
Unless it was due to some previous condition. BUT since Edwards had NO previous condition that we know of, you should feel safe assuming he’d of had a healthy and productive season for us.
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This applies only if it isn’t a wear-and-tear injury, which is sounds like it is to me.
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Braylon/Plax, sure. I was all for bringing Braylon back, and wanted him over Tone. WR/QB combos thrive over time.
Talking about offseason moves is fine…but the boo-birds on here constantly bring up this old moves that have proven to be good ones.
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It’s the same argument to say…..What would have happened if Braylon would have gotten the rumored 7-8 million a year contract. That dude got lazy and was a problem with money and off the field stuff in Cleveland as well.
So I should be convinced that Braylon would have been a boy scout when he cashed in on a 2nd contract?
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I think it’s hilarious so many comments came from a Jay Feely reference. Keep up the good work everyone!
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WOJF says:
I cant believe everyone assumes Holmes will be back, I can not see how they can let a guy who quit back into this locker room, no matter what the cap situation.
It is a huge mistake to just have a touchy feeley meeting and proclaim all is well in Jetsworld. It is not and will not be as long as Holmes is on the team.
His stated goal is to make the HOF, which tells you just how out of touch he is with reality since he isnt even a pro bowler.
Tone is about Tone so why does anyone think he will EVER be happy in a run first offensive scheme? Not happening, bring him and back and we waste another season once the locker room melts down again, they will end up releasing or trading him midseason.
Front office took a risk, it backfired, time to take their medicine and move forward without him.
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People expect him back because he’s the best player on offense, by a lot.
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OldRich says:
I still haven’t fully recovered from losing John Riggins. Could have won a few SBs. :)
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elmoron says:
Yeah, Riggins. And Verlon Biggs. I’m still depressed.
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Mangold plays offense last I checked.
He IS the best skill player but is not worth the locker room division, there is no way that is disappearing overnight, he has a history.
IF he was a true impact player like TO in his prime you could put up with the crap, he has not earned that status. PIT unloaded him, predict Jets will wise up and do the same.
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TO?!? In his prime spanned 3 teams. With the Eagles they suspended him and then released him.
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Everybody wanted Brayon back but the facts were the Jets chose the better WR in Holmes.
People just forget that Braylon was a problem as well. DUI’s, continued problems with his crew and bars or kitchen utensils fights.
The Jets down field passing was better with Bray better our redzone offense was disgusting (which Plax completely improved)
The fans that use Braylon as a major reason for this season’s struggles either have a crush on Braylon, hated Plax prior or just are not toally paying attention to this team on a weekly basis.
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+1000000000
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Revis Christ says:
Braylon> Plax, Tone, Blackmon, Kerley
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This whole season has the stink of the Richard Todd years all over it. Todd couldn’t take criticism, never learned to find the open man consistently, choked in the biggest game of his life, and shoved Steve Serby into a locker (OK, he got one thing right). Great teams are made by great quarterbacks and so far all I’ve seen from Sanchez is the rest of the team “holding him up.” Great QBs hold the team up. Sign Peyton Manning, please.
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Joey The Jet says:
+1
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On topic, its not about the players that left, it is the failure to replace that talent.
The other point that perhaps we need to come to grips with is that we overachieved the last two years and were not as good as we all thought even with that talent.
We were very lucky in 2009 and were firing on all cylinders, with a bunch of contributors focused in contract years in 2010. We were very healthy in both years.
But we all fell for it, me included.
We reverted to the mean, due to failure to replace talent AND LEADERSHIP, an increase in injuries, and frankly poor coaching.
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Let’s look at it this way, if any other team faced the stuff this team faced through the course of 16 games, do they end up 8-8? Outside of a handful of teams? Probably not.
So, maybe the mean is actually a double-digit win team that had a bad year. Maybe next year we revert to the team’s new mean. The Jets historically are average, but under Rex they’re above average, so maybe that’s the “mean” for the Jets now.
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i have plenty of confidence in this team going forward. i know its easy to go back and say, woulda coulda shoulda , but just looking back at the Broncos game and the Raiders game and the Dolphins game….no reason to lose those games. I think we will retool at RT, at Safety, and at OLB and with a fresh look at Off Coordinator we will be good to go…if people want to be negative keep harping on alan faneca then go ahead
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But were not chasing “any other team” we are chasing the Pats….and “the stuff this team faced” doesn’t happen to them.
When is the last time the Pats went 8-8?
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Ughh, can we stop comparing this team to the Pats? They have Tom Brady, top 5 QB ever. Let’s put the final nail in that comparison’s coffin, okay? And I obviously was including the Pats in that “handful of teams”.
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I don’t know, when we stop playing in their division? Or would you prefer we just say they are better and lets stop trying?
Seriously, i’m not even sure where you were going with this post.
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Give us Tom Brady and lets see who has what record….its easy to hide flaws behind a top 3 all time QB. We have Sanchez, they have Brady…PERIOD
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I would agree that in 2009 the team overachieved. I disagree about 2010 though. I thought that team underachieved. Our D was good and we had players on offense. We simply could not gain an offensive identity…a problem for 6 years.
This year’s team was not quite as talented, yet still should have made the playoffs.
As for the failure to replace talent? It wasn’t there to replace with. The free agent crop was woefully inadequate. We needed S, OLB and WR…if you let Bray go. OL was not a concern going into the season.
We had a down year. I think the “mean” is now higher than the pre-Woody/Tanny Jets’ was and that the team will get back to that.
Poor coaching though. Can’t argue there. Leving Schotty’s steaming pile alone for a moment…If Pettine doesn’t go prevent against the worst throwing QB in the league…we might be talking about the Jets playoff run right now.
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Mikey Chase says:
All the jets needa do is get a winning team. Tone and Mark will be fine as long as that happens. They are two very competitive guys who just want to win. Winning solves everything.
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Justin says:
Ok…Mangold’s comments make me feel like there is some hope the team can reconcile.
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mataos:
Jesus is the son of God and Brady IS God!!!
The rest is history!!!
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Wrong Hank.
Belichick is Satan and Brady is that demon that eats Satan’s regurgitated souls.
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Brendan:
When are you going to STOP defending Tannebaums (possibly) biggest mistake evr replacing Edwards for PLAXXX!!!!
Let me remind you of a little conversation that you completely disagreed me(whats new) when the move was about to happen!!!
I stated that:
“He was missing practices and was late to team meetings and was something of an enigma in the Giants locker room. He was also apparently in decline. After catching 70 passes for 1,025 yards in 2007, Burress had only 35 catches in 10 games in 2008. His average per catch was the lowest since his rookie year and the lowest in what was a steady four-year decline from 19.9 in 2004 to 16.0 in 2005 to 15.7 in 2006 to 14.6 in 2007 to 13.0 in 2008″
And even provided the link for you to read for yourselt and STILL you refused to accept any of it!!
Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2011/06/dolphins-are-not-interested-in-plaxico-burress.html#storylink=misearch#storylink=cpy
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Plax was not late to any meetings and was not an enigma in the Jets locker room. In fact, pretty much everyone said he was one of the more professional guys on the team this year.
And his YPC and TDs went up this year compared to 2008. So, you were wrong.
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Brendan:
You are really hanging your argument FOR PLAXX Vs. Braylon on a HALF A YARD improvement???
What about the fact that the Jets lost a DEEP threat, 4 yds per catch avg.,about 300 rec. yds and a good blocker ???
Gezzz Brendan, you’re really grasping for straws!!!
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Plax blocking > Braylon blocking
And Braylon would not have even approached his 2010 numbers if he was on the team this year. And that has nothing to do with Plax.
System-wide issues will impact everyone in the system, which would include Braylon in this hypothetical.
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hank/naples:
Braylon should never have been replaced!!!
You can do what you want with the fancy stats but it all comes down to CHEMISTRY!!!
Something Mark was missing from EVERY SINGLE RECEIVER this year!!!
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Revis Christ:
Absolutely!! And this stat is what Brendan is basing his argument for PLAXX Vs. Edwards…ONE HALF A YARD PER CATCH!!!
While totally ignoring the fact that Tone had ABSOLUTELY his worst year accross the board!!
That’s Brendan for you!!!
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and your Tampa Bay Bucs suck……worst team in league….talk about a collapse..
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nickball2000:
“and your Tampa Bay Bucs suck…”
And what does that have to do with my comments, exactly???
BTW, do you really have 2000 balls????
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levi says:
Your Bucs sucked and your Dolphins and your Browns Jeez Hank I think YOUR Jets had the best season out of all your teams.
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point is…..a Tampy Bay Bucs fan constantly trashing the Jets is like a Pirates fan calling the Yankees cheap.
your team folded like a deck of cards, you had Raheem Morris who was the most amazing young coach in the history of sports, and got run out of town after a debacle of a season. You got enough to worry about with that joke team. if you went 8-8 like we did, you guys would be doing cartwheels down there….-
nickballs2000:
Actually they went the same as the Jets 10-6 (2010) and nobody did cartwheels!!
You never answered my question: Do you really have 2000 balls???
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They went 10-6 against the easiest schedule in recent memory. That year was sandwiched between a 3-13 and a 4-12 season.
One of these things, is not like the others…
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Brendan:
And your BIG BAD coach backed into the playoffs in ’09 and hit mediocrity in ’11…. and after all his guarantees, his “we’re the best team in NY, no doubt” and “We’ll be the best team in NY for the foseeable future, ABSOLUTELY” Ryan!!!
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Raheem Morris predicted the Bucs would win the Super Bowl this year. How’d that work out?
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Brendan:
You know, that is the second or third time you referenced that to me and I have yet to hear or see ANYTHING about that from here!!!
Please give me a link to that, I’m interested!!!
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BJ says:
I couldn’t find where he predicted the super bowl, but I found this:
Raheem Morris: “We’re the best team in the NFC. Yeah, I said it. We’re excited.”
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BJ:
So let me see if I see this right!!!
You’re saying thay Morris should be held as A BLOWHARRD because he said his “team is the best in the NFC”???
Tell mr how that compares to Ryan’s guarantees of TWO+ SUPER BOWLS
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Raheem Morris: 17-31. 0 Playoff appearances….And is now fired.
Rex Ryan: 32-22. 2 Playoff appearances
They both made predictions that tunred out to be wrong, but at least Rex’s teams have been good, and he still has his job.
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I never got the “the Jets backed into the playoffs in 09″ argument. Let’s look at the facts:
the Jets finished the season 5-1 and during that stretch outscored their opponents 135 to 47 – How is that “backing in”?
And even if they did “back in”(which they didn’t), who cares? When they got in, they won two games on the road to advance all they way to the AFC championship, with a rookie head coach and a rookie QB – That’s very impressive if you ask me.
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BJ:
Back in means you have not earned a spot!!!
It means a spot was LEFT there for you!!!
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They did earn it. They played better than the other tea
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Hit the enter key too early.
What I ment was they did earn the playoff spot because they played better than the other teams that missed the playoffs……And they proved the deserved a playoff spot by the way they played in the playoffs.
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Brendan:
And one more thing: If the Jets Front office, Puppetface/Suckup) Ryan and SPECIALLY PLAXX had balls, they would post an open letter to Santonio apologizing for SCREWING his season by allowing other teams to double and triple team him W/O a legit #2 WR deep threat!!!!
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11-5 in 2010. 13-6 overall.
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No one has to apologize to anyone,tone should be a team player and worry about the team and not just his stats. This happens in football sometimes number one wide receivers are decoys and get doubled but Holmes signed a fifty million.dollar deal he shouldn’t worry about only stats at this point, he should be trying to get another ring. They gave him his money, he has to just be a pro now and live up to his deal but they know if hes being doubled or tripled as long as hes doing what hes supposed and busting his ass.
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Jerk:
When your best player (one of Jets “best player EVER” according to puppetface) has his lowest production in his career w/o injury, I would say that is indicative of
extenuating circumstances and a bad year for your team!!!!
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reality jet fan says:
Braylon was selfish but tone not?
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joeyboy79 says:
The team consists of humans. When told they are the best and sb bound and the resources are not provided to come close to achieving this objective and the team fails, finger pointing starts and the meldown is in progress. My formula, be confident as a HC but tone down the rhetoric, give the team the resources it needs to succeed as a GM and owner, stay on top of your team as a HC , know whats going on in the lockerroom,and address problems early and deal with it as a professional not an animal hous mentality where anyone can spew venom and not be held accountable. That will translate into better chemistry. Mangold is just saying the politically correct things which is understandable, but good chemistry comes from many areas and takes work.
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Real Jet fan says:
Why isn’t this getting any media attention? Seems like people only like to bring up negative comments from Jet players, but not positive ones. Sanchez and Tone needs to patch their relationship up. Sanchez, Mangold and Keller probably has the best relationship on the whole team.
Tanny’s biggest mistake is picking Gholston
Braylon > Plaxico
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You know the deal, controversy sells, sad but true. The only way I see Tone being happy is if he is fed. Thats why my biggest chemistry corrector is giving the Jets the resources to succeeed, IE,a solid oline, run game and second deep threat. Winning cures all. I dont condone Tones tactics but I understand his frustration. The team was said to be the best assembled when we all know it was downgraded substantially on offense. Rex learning and changing his ways and a productive offense and the above issue will be a distant memory.
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I can’t wait for Sanchez to show what he can really do behind a solid line and run game. That combined with a second Deep threat and he will rock. All the bashers will be pleasantly surprised. how do you read a defense when the line is imploding right after the snap? I am not saying he will be Rodgers or Brady, but he will be solid and a cut above just a game manager with the right supporting cast. I definitely want to see a bonifide veteran come in to compete with him, and a QB coach that knows his craft to work closely with his fundamentals. Sanchez has a nice upside, durability, work ethic, and physical skills. It just has to be cultivated and the most important, give the man a stable o-line where he can progress.
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Sanchez reminds me of a young Eli Manning with the completion percentage and mistakes… and look where Eli is now. Hopefully Sanchez is able to reach Eli’s level eventually and get some super bowl rings
Will Mark invite Tone?? that’s the question i have.