Revis: Jets Need to Not Destroy Ourselves
Now out at the Pro Bowl in Hawaii, Darrelle Revis talked to the media yesterday for the first time since baggy day. With so much having happened since he last spoke publicly, Revis made some great points, but (rightly) came down hard on the whole team’s inability to create a bond this year.
Via ESPN NY:
Revis said the team’s mindset should be “not destroying ourselves, let’s try to destroy the other teams by game planning and doing what we need to do.”
The four-time Pro Bowl selection said he was frustrated by the way the season ended — 8-8 and no playoffs. He supported Ryan, but sounded like he wouldn’t mind if the coach toned down the bravado.
“I think we need to find ways to win games, instead of just going out there talking and just saying whatever you want to say,” he said.
Much of the criticism has fallen upon Sanchez, who regressed in his third season after leading the Jets to back-to-back trips to the AFC Championship Game.
“We have a lot of confidence in him, we just need to get the right guys around him and just build around the guy,” Revis said.
Agreed. I really do like Rex Ryan as the coach of the Jets, but the team they had last year wasn’t enough to get it done, and no matter how much talk about how they were ready to win it all, or just how talented the team was, everyone knew that the team lacked some pieces that really mattered from 2009 and 2010. When the machine started to break down, it was a catastophic failure.
The Jets don’t have the flexibility to clean house, but they do have the ability to reconcile and add some key pieces this offseason. Getting Santonio back in the fold is one of those things … addressing some starting and depth spots (S, OL, WR) is the other.
147 Responses to Revis: Jets Need to Not Destroy Ourselves
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Brendan says:
Oh, the best cornerback in football thinks Sanchez is good. This post will get 3 comments the rest of the day.
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will says:
What is he going to say? That Sanchez sucks and we need to get Manning. He is being a real team captain and trying to pull the team together. He won’t shed a tear if the Jets get Manning.
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hank/naples says:
Brendan:
“Oh, the best cornerback in football thinks Sanchez is good.”
1.st post of the day:
Didn’t the best Owner in footbal, the best GM in football and the Best HC in football said the same thing????
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Yes. People didn’t listen then, either.
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Joey The Jet says:
Revis is been a pro,he knows deep down inside that sancheese sux,however he wont say it,it will further divide this locker room,and fatso needs to become a head coach,and not everyone’s pal,he is the coach,he should have knows whats going on in the locker room,its obvious his approach isnt working,cuz if the players truly cared for rex and respected him,they would have approached him and told him whats up,and in this case they didnt,so that shows you how much they respect rex,i bet none of these happens in the pats locker room,cuz they fear and respect belicheat.I will give rexy one more year,and him and sancheese can go to the cfl.
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Tom in Raleigh says:
You say that based on what? Your psychic ability and you read his mind? YOU believe that Sanchez sucks.
Revis is 100% right. We need to get the right guys around Sanchez, give him some time in the pocket and an OC that can call a decent game.
At that point we will know for certain if Sanchez is so bad.
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He just wants an entirely new regime & QB so he can say “I told you so” and then start the same complaints as soon as they don’t win a Super Bowl in Year 1.
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I don’t understand it. I’ll bet Joey is the same guy that wanted Spags to be the HC and look where he is now, the unemployment line. I understand the frustration and disappointment after 40 some odd years but all things considered Rex has done relatively well but, for some it is never enough.
By the way, Cameron Wake would like to have a word with you Joey and your remark about the CFL.
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Everyone has the right to be frustrated about this season, I know I was. In fact, I still am.
What’s therapeutic for me is bury that season and move on as quickly as possible. For me, that’s looking at tape of draft prospects. I dunno, getting back to basics or something along those lines, where I can just sit there and watch football and not have a rooting interest.
For others, for whatever reason, complaining and pointing blame is what’s therapeutic. Personally? I don’t care about the blame game, because we’re so far removed from that locker room that we’re taking second-hand accounts as if they’re the bible and running with them. I honestly don’t read any opinion pieces about the Jets anymore, they’re either way too high or way, way, way, way, wayyyy too low. I like TJB because the articles are generally level-headed and keep the whines and complaints to a minimum (if there even are any).
What Rex has done in 3 seasons is post a winning % well above .500, brought two playoff trips, two AFC Title game appearances, relevancy, and optimism to this franchise. Or at least people used to be optimistic. And to think, if Pats fans were like Jets fans, they might have ran Belichick out of town after his first year (that, and the fact that Pats fans didn’t even exist before Belichick for the most part).
I don’t consider people that negative as lesser fans, it’s just not my thing. I don’t see how it’s even remotely constructive to do nothing but complain to anyone who will listen. And maybe it’s because I’m a generally optimistic person, but I don’t understand how complaining and calling for people’s jobs and the like can make someone feel better.
Whatever, my advice, TJF, ignore it the best you can. You have breakdowns (hell, I had one this week), but for the most part if you actively try to you can ignore the nonsense.
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sanchesse sux,when are you fools going to wak up and realize it,he was drafted 5th overall,been in the league for 3 years,and yet,he can not do any harm,yet you guys still making excuses for him,first,he was a rookie,then its schitty(whom i didnt like),then this year its the line,next year,its sparano’s fault,its like he gets babied by the organization and now some fans as well,smh,that scrub will never win a sb,he will be a career backup in 2 years from now,mark my word
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What does this have to do with my post? I am fairly certain Mark’s name was not brought up once in that entire comment.
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I wonder if you realize that nobody cares what you say. You are the most negative “Jets” fan I’ve seen. Next year when this team makes a SB run and possibly wins it, you will be the only fool on here complaining about how the season wasn’t a perfect 16-0 and that Sanchez didn’t through 30 TD’s because he threw 29.
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sjjetsfan says:
Everyone wants to compare Sanchez to other Qbs, if you look at most that have done well the teams usually have a really good to great defense or an offense that just needs someone under center. If they give Sanchez the same weapons 2-3 years in a row you will see a difference. The Jets management needs to build from the draft and stop buying old players.
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Sanchez might not be the answer, and he might just end up a backup…most QBs do. To say he sucks is a bit much.
I think it is true to say he was a rookie (and we went to the Championship game) and then schitty was in the way (I think that was true of the last 6 years…though we still went to the championship game) and then the line was bad, and we nearly made the playoffs while Sanchez through the 11th most TD’s in the league.
If he doesn’t do well next year, it won’t be on Sparano I would guess…it will be on Sanchez alone.
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joeyboy79 says:
Before I quit on Sanchez, I want to see what he can do with a solid line and two deep threat wrs , a new coach who will simplify the offense and give the team a solid identity by playing to Sanchezs strenghts. Sanchez has shown he can be successful with the right supporting cast. We keep forgetting he had a very limited college career and even factoring that in,he is mid pack with some very good qbs at 3 years of development. I really think the beatings he took amplified fans view of him. He became gun shy and a deer in the headlights but what qb wouldnt if the line implodes in a couple of seconds and you only have one legitimate wr who is always doubled combined with a #29 ranked run game! Lets give the kid a shot. I think he will surprise, if T builds the team and doesnt give away our draft picks for a couple of gimmicks.
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Joe,u know me and u always agree,but trust me when i tell u this pal,yes he may be a gym rat,and studies,however,he is too stupid to read defenses,he still stares receivers in his 3rd year,he throws picks to defensive linemen,his passes get batted down by def linemen,he has no clue what to do at times,he was drafted too high for this crap,he is simply not that good,i will however give him one more year with sparano and hopefully a new GB coach,i lost all faith in his completely,he isnt leader material,he has no fire and desire to get teammates fired up,Pennington whom i criticized in this site a lot and called Chinese noodle arm,used to head butt teammates and gets them fired up
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What makes you say he is stupid?
I dunno if you saw, but Tom Brady stared a receiver in the AFC Title game and then threw it, and Ray Lewis let it hit him in the face (uncharacteristic since he has good hands). It is your human nature to stare down your receiver, it happens to everyone.
Drew Brees has a lot of passes batted down at the line, it’s a part of being short.
He was drafted #5 because of his potential, not because of what he was at that moment (and another team would have taken him within the next few picks, if not at the #5 pick already).
No fire? No desire? Where do you come up with this? Why do you think he is so apathetic? You see what you want to see, it’s that simple.
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We would all get a little stupid if your line had poor protection like a seive and 275lb+ behmoths were coming to rip your head off! Sanchez wonderlic score was 28, above average and the same as Drew Breeze.
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FYI, Football Outsiders ranks all kinds of units, including offensive lines. They ranked the Jets 7th in run blocking and 17th in pass blocking. PFF ranked the Jets 13th overall in pass blocking, 12th in run blocking.
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Brendan, I gotta be with Joey on this one. Sanchez took a beating.
Those stats are good though. Middle of the pack and mediocre, sounds like an 8-8 team
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Sanchez is still a developing qb that was severely set back last season due to his downgraded supporting cast and depthless oline. I never seen a qb get hit that many times and keep getting up. As far as I am concerned, he is still very much learning with a limited college career and the nightmare last season. I just hope he is not damaged goods mentally. The same thing happened to David Carr behind a poor oline and he never recovered mentally from the beatings. Sanchez seems mentally tough though. Next season for him as well as management it is put up or shutup. No more excuses.
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So, you’re just never going to admit there was nothing the front office could have done to address the line? There were arguably as many lines worse than the Jets’ as there were better, but you act as though the Jets fielded the worst line in the history of the NFL.
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yes lets give him another 5 years,i mean he is still developing,after 5 years of mediocrity,maybe we will all realize he isnt that good,and draft another qb,smh,i swear some of you are lames,lol,we shall talk again when he is a backup in this league
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“Another five years” implies he’s had a first five years. This will be year four.
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Before the season, there was no reason to think that we had to address the line. Hunter did well last season and there was no reason to think that would not continue. Turner going down hurt us big time. If he is healthy, the Mangold injury doesn’t kill us.
Joey knows that there was nothing they could have done. There were no solid replacements available.
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JTJ, there is no way that if he doesn’t do well this season even the most strident Sanchez supporter doesn’t cash in on him.
With what should be a solid running game and an offense that one would presume will play to the strengths of it’s players, he will either improve, or be gone.
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Browning's Nagle says:
@ JTJ: to label Sanchez stupid is a bit much, but, I do agree with your assessment… he’s completed his third year and he still cannot read nor react quick enough to most NFL defenses he sees on any given Sunday; he continually stares receivers down; and he cannot read the safety position what-so-ever, which, in my opinion, is his biggest flaw.
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btw thank u Tom,im glad you realize what you saw and tv and not go by what brendan and his stats show,stats dont mean crap,what i saw this year and the last 2 years,is a qb that is not very good,if we wanted a game manager,we could have selected someone in the 4th or the 5 round,instead of giving up players and picks to move to the 5th spot and draft sancheese the game manager,btw,flyn was drafted in the 7th round,just saying.
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mike_francesser says:
And you know Matt Flynn is good because?
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because i saw him play against the pats last year and the lions this year,and he made throws that sancheese would never ever make
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I also saw Matt Cassel look great in a good offensive system and not do much else after leaving. I’ve seen Mark Sanchez win playoff games.
You’re too hard on Sanchez. You post as if the guy has never made a great play in his career. I don’t think comparing Flynn’s two NFL games, one of which was in total garbage time and the other against a 31st ranked defense, is a good way to evaluate. It’s like saying Joe McKnight is a stud running back after the game against Buffalo last year.
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Stats do mean something, but they are not the whole story either. Sanchez has performed very well at times as well as making bonehead plays.
Matt Flynn was drafted in the 7th. So what? So was Matt Cassell. Scott Mitchell was a fourth rounder. Playing QB on a good team, with a good system and a good OC is easy. Backup QBs are always great when the starter struggles.
Sanchez is a mid tier QB right now who has had flashes of brilliance. Going off half cocked the way so many have is silly. “McElroy for starter” etc.
I happen to beleive that we will see a different Sanchez next year. If not? Time to move on.
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Solid post. I agree.
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Revis Christ:
“W[i]sh rex would grow a pair. Tell some of his players to STFU in a while…”
What??? The ‘Pot(belly) calling the kettle black’????
It all starts at the top and Ryans RIDICULOUS rule that “you must mention two players and a coach (i think) is you want to say anything about your team mate”!!!!
What an absurd rule for a HC!!!
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deuce4417 says:
wow hank,….wow. how’s that tom brady jersey fitting you my friend?
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You mean Josh Freeman. And I sure hope not tight around the midsection, given Hank’s affinity for fat jokes when discussing Rex.
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Revis Christ says:
hank/naples:
I totally agree!!!!
I think Rex should be the only one who should be loud and obnoxious!!!!!! Not the players because they should just be focusing on playing football!!!!
“It all starts at the top and Ryan[']s ridiculous rule”
When was this rule brought into effect?!?!?!? Hav
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Players give interviews. That is how it goes. The rule is not a bad one. It promotes team cohesiveness and takes away from the individual.
“Compliment your teamates when you do an interview” HOW IS THAT RIDICULOUS?!?! It’s a good thing!
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Why is that a ridiculous rule? Saying that you must mention a teammate so it is about the team? Come on Hank…you’re reaching deep to find things to hate on here.
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A philosphy i have on life in general: In order to achieve your goals, sometimes you need to go through some struggle.. What do you learn if everything is piece of cake?
I think we’ll see the Jets true colors next season.. Meaning, they’ll either come together and kick some serious booty, or its going to be brutal and painful, and heads therfore rolling..
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ramble914 says:
Thank God we have Darrell Revis and Nick Mangold!
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Jets-Fan-4-Life says:
Dude, you forgot an “EVERY DOWN” legitimate pass rusher!!!!
This should be our #1 need as the team has not had one of these kind of players in a long time.
We need a beast to kill the opposing QBs!!!
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I’m tired of the media using the regressed word to describe Sanchez , how about Josh Freemon? Sanchez was having a better season than Flacco. Why are they trying to convince us that Sanchez sux? I know he had some bad games but geesh. Talk of replacing him, do they know something we don’t ?
I hope Revis steps up and say those things in the locker room and not to the media, this is why we are where we are now.
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boogie down says:
From the media’s standpoint:
Being in a big market puts more of a bull’s eye on him than on Freeman.
Flacco’s team won and went deep into the playoffs again, making his multitude of shortcomings easy to ignore. Nevermind the fact that his own future HOFer publicly called him out BETWEEN PLAYOFF GAMES!
Add to that the GQ spreads, which make it seem like he has affixed too much attention to outside interests, and his top WR’s public dismay, and you have a tailor-made firestorm.
It’s ridiculous, but then, the media gets so little out of feel-good stories. Controversy always generates more interest, so there will always be a rush to tear someone down.
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KenEB says:
Don’t forget the need at OLB.
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Longshot says:
Obviously all the dirty laundry is not out of the locker room, but hopefully it will all get aired. I agree with Revis, you need that bond. Many sports teams that should do better don’t because they lack that bond/culture/mantra/mojo. They languish forever in the land of 8-8 or worse.
I think the Jets have a good chance to create that culture. New coaches, then new players, then new schemes and playbooks, new practice routines, new attitudes and finally a locker room culture that bonds them into a Navy SEAL unit.
Many here seem to think the culture of bravado, swagger and big talk is what the Jets need. I don’t because it so often leads to individual players tooting their own horns, something the Jets do not need.
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OldGuyJetFan says:
I have to take issue with the “catastopic Failure phrase you used.
With all the issues the Jets had, with all the people that were gone, they still had a .500 record and were never really blown out of more than 1 or two games. If they draft well, get a few key free agents and get a few project players (Vlad, Ellis,Maybin) to make gains in a full training camp, if Wilson develops as he did last year and most importantly Sanchez just cuts turnovers by half we win 12 games.
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I think the catastrophe was the crash-and-burn way in which the season ended. Three game losing streak when, as it turned out, we really just needed to win one, coupled with the reported in-fighting made for a spectacularly bad end to the season.
That said, I do agree with what you’re saying about a dramatic improvement being eminently possible. I really have a strong belief that everything you mention will happen. Improvements to the OL will lead to a better running game, which in turn will lead to better play from Mark (who’ll also benefit from the improved line itself). Wilson is obviously in good hands, as are Maybin and Ellis. This isn’t to say they’ll become Pro Bowlers, but it isn’t unreasonable to expect a noticeable improvement in all three. Next, Vlad should take a tremendous step forward with the benefit of a full NFL offseason and should be able to contribute more consistently.
That said, I think the greatest emphasis has to be on the draft. We HAVE to maximize value and get a pretty stellar crop of players (relative to their draft positions, of course). Filling needs and acquiring depth through the draft is what makes teams contenders for an extended period of time. Couple that with a few key FA acquisitions, and we could potentially have something special next year.
Here’s to hoping.
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“That said” to start back-to-back paragraphs? Oy vey iz mir!
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mataos says: January 18, 2012 at 7:10 pm "I don't buy it" says:
I’m just glad Revis is the teacher of shut-down and not the teacher of grammer.
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Teeth says:
That’s “grammar.” You’re glad he’s not the teacher of “grammar.”
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GonzoSB7 says:
Revis and Mangold have to show this leadership in the locker room to get things back together. Sit down and talk like grown men, not selfish little kids.
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I’m really concerned that Rex is supposed to be a player-friendly coach that gets all buys buying in, but to say he lost the pulse of the team last year is like saying Everest is a tough hill to climb. Rex has to get down and dirty next year, and be intimately involved in all areas of the team. Somebody get him a stethoscope to monitor this team next year.
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Get a clue fatso says:
Sanchez is adequate, barely. The weak link is Ryan, who simply doesn’t know how to do the job, and lacks the maturity to learn. Multiple hysterical breakdowns (the Florida Finger, the crying after the Denver loss, the STFU to the fan in the NE game, the ridiculous face off with Jacobs after the Giants meltdown) are only the predicate for the idiotic statement last week that he “tried to be too much of a head coach”. To him the answer is to be less of a head coach and “be involved” with the team. WTF? If you need lap band surgery to compensate for the inability to stop compulsively stuffing your face with carbs and sugar, you probably can’t manage 53 other millionaires who can barely control their own young aggressive natures, not to mention the other coaches, media and ownership. Rex is just not cut out for this. He belongs in wrestling or the rodeo or on MSNBC screaming about right wing conspiracies. Has there ever been a flamingly obnoxious HC hoisting the Lombardi? No. Walsh, Noll, Landry, Vince, Shula, name any one you want, and none were bragging about how bad ass they are, none were crying, none were whale girth, none were talking stupid big brother trash and then eating their words right after getting smoked on the field or not managing the clock or lying about the “star” receiver calling his own number and sulking off by himself. Rex makes great tabloid material, but the winners know what he doesn’t. Like Coughlin says: shut up and play the game
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reality jet fan says:
very concerning for a3rd year hc to be so unaware of the problems in his locker room
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I doubt there is a single head coach in the league who knows every single squabble that goes on. Two guys arguing isn’t a head coach’s concern, but if it infects an entire unit, it should be. This was probably Rex trusting his subordinates to sort the mess out, and by the time Rex realized that they couldn’t, it was too late.
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PA Matt says:
Was thinking about when this could have started. Do you guys recall the post that Mark was yelling towards “someone” on the sidelines, originally thought to be Tone. But we all said, he was probably trying to fire the team up. Maybe this was one of the early signs of discord?
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I am sure there are a couple of head coaches who know everything and i am sure they have rings
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Nickballs2000 says:
And they have hall of fame QBs.
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And if there hof qb was arguing with their wr im sure they would be aware of it
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Did you never watch Marino on the sidelines? He yelled at his receivers all the time.
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And im sure shula was aware of it
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Of course he was aware. Marino did it on the field and on the sidelines. He also got ZERO rings with Marino…so apparently Shula was not a good coach?
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SackDance99 says:
IMO, Shula was one of the most over-rated HC’s of all-time and road the fact that he was HC of the only undefeated SB-winning team and won back-to-back SBs for over 20 years. Yes, his teams after the 1973 team frequently made the playoffs and were generally better than the Jets, but his Marino teams were obviously flawed: they could neither run the ball, nor stop the run (nor the pass) that effectively. And, his Miami team made the Super Bowl just twice in those 20+ years. Now, I know the Jets haven’t made it, either. But, Shula is talked about as an awesome HC and it’s hard to characterize an HC as awesome when he squandered the career of one of the best QBs ever in a QB-driven NFL. Give most of the HCs in the NFL a Marino and I all but guarantee at least 1 SB victory and, at least, more than 1 SB appearance. Plus, while Dan Fouts (another superb HOF QB) played in an AFC stacked with high quality teams, like the Steelers and Raiders, Marino played in a weak AFC that had a great Raiders team at the beginning of his career and a great Broncos team at the end. The AFC failed to win an SB for 12 years in the Marino-era! Nobody never criticizes Shula for wasting Marino’s career, but he surely did.
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Shula coahed some good teams. Never getting a running game around Marino was inexcusable.
Of course, the AFC didn’t win any Sb’s during the ’83 QB era. Their defenses were too quick and small to beat what was a run heavy NFC during that time.
Either way, good coaches somethimes have it get away from them.
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Lets just take the stuff we like from revis and make it fact for example sanchez is good.But a head coach unaware of so much lets make excuses for him wow
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Manning is done in Indy!
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He had his chance to be a Jet and took a pass. I for one don’t want him in Green and White.
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Look i think rex has done a pretty good job his first 3 years and he has earned probably 2 more years. But i just dont understand what he has done that even alarming mistakes are overlooked and excuses are made by fans?
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Doug in Long Valley says:
Don’t we always hear that it’s the “Veteran Leadership” in the Pat’s locker room that keeps guys like Randy Moss in order? You never hear that Bill is in there keeping a lid on everything.
While I’ve never been there my sense is the players are in the locker room interacting and the coaches are in their offices/meeting rooms most of the time.
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The team went 8 and 8 and collapsed on the field and in the locker room. And apparently the head coach had nothing to do with it.Holy crap!
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The HC has something to do with it, for sure. Of course, he is the best coach the team has ever had and was hamstrung with an OC he did not hire, and was not allowed to fire.
He let his eyes off of the team and it got away this season. Yes, but the level of Rex hate on here is ridiculous.
As you stated earlier, he has earned probably two more years. If next year is not an improvement, I could see him getting canned.
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When the team wins the coach is a genius, when they lose he’s a dunce. Bottom line, it’s his team so he has to take the good and the bad. The point I was trying to make was the players own the locker room, veteran leadership has to take over, blaming Rex is ridiculous.
You can blame Rex for a not noticing his primary weapon was being used as a decoy and not doing something about that, I’m all over that. But all this talk about the locker room is on the players not him.
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He recieved all the gredit for wins on this site he doesnt recieve any blame for the loses from many fans on this site
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jerk says:
Everyones going to look stupid when Sanchez.proves everyone wrong. He doesn’t suck and he will continue to get better. He shows improvement every year even though it was minimul this year, his numbers did improve. For dealing signally the crap he dealt with season in the locker room and on the field he didn’t do that bad. For all he has done so far as a young Qb a lot of our fans are being redicolous. Look at freeman and Bradford they both look terrible and worst then.Sanchez there not getting any criticism and Sanchez has to deal with a lot because of Ny, Rex’S garuntees, the jets expectations, the media’s expectations of what they thought Sanchez should of been at by now. The biggest thing is that we have to realize our team wasn’t that talented this year and we had holes in big spots and Sanchez showed hes not ready tocarry a team with not enough talent but he has also shown that he is readyto make plays.in big moments and hes capable of being a qb in this league. Sanchez will be fine when we get back to running first he will play really well off of that. There’s only select few qbs in this league that can run an offense with no running game. Last point, Eli was dealing with same thing after his third year and he pulled through, if you look at marks numbers there better then Elis up to this point in there careers and.one.huge difference is that Sanchez proved hes a winner right away.
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Noone even mentions the gm its hysterical
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frustratedjetfan says:
And the beat goes on…
Rex not having a clue of the locker room acrimony…a one year problem
Mr T not fielding upgrading talent / fixing holes (like safety)…a perennial problem
Falling short on the Super Bowl…lasts forever
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Mr T. Has upgraded the talent on this team since he took over. This year, not so much.
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I see a team with many holes that is the result of years of not building and maximizing through the draft. Still no game changer on offense and we could going for our fifth qb change! Too many coaching changes the last 6 or 7 years also at all levels. It has been a very unstable organization. Only two top draft picks in 6 years will not get it done. We need so many pieces now in depth and talent. We cant just blame it on last year being poor as being depleted like this with an overhaul of the D and also many pieces needed on the offensive side dont just happen overnight. We still dont have our every down pass rusher and speed at safety that we have needed for years. That might have been the difference of getting over the hump and not falling short. T has not done a good job addressing what this team really needs.Flashes that cant be sustained with new coaches is only smoke and mirrors and both times(mangini /rex) after one or two years of a good season, we fall right back to square one and mediocrity! That shows that the building is not consistent, but sugar coated with quick fixes.
If T doesnt get it this season and we fall short again, I think management will be cleaned up and heads will role. Who knows, maybe the bulb will go on finally and building a team and addressing key weaknesses will finally happen. Only time will tell, but another season that falls short of expectations, the fans will not be happy and start demanding real change at a higher level.
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So true imagine what it would be like on this team if we had drafted a starting LT, ILB, RB, G, CB, QB, RB2/KR, KR/Wildcat QB, let aging vets go atjust the right time and had gotten 5 points shy of the superbowl. I wish we could get a coach and a GM who could have a winning record!
Your posts are old. Get some new material.
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joeyboy79,
Unstable organization?!? Tanny has been the GM since only 2006. He is on his 2nd HC and Sanchez is only the second QB and the only one in the Rex era of 3 seasons. 2006, Jets draft Brick and Mangold in the 1st round and that draft also yields Eric Smith, Brad Smith, Leon Washington and Drew Coleman. In 2007, the Jets draft quality over quantity and choose Revis and Harris. In 2008, Tanny misfires with Gholston, makes a solid pick in Keller and good value with Lowery. In 2009 going quality over quantity, it’s Sanchez, Greene and Slauson. The 2010 and 2011 classes are recent, well-known and tough to evaluate, except Wilkerson looks like a future stud 3-4 DE and Joe McKnight is a useful, and potentially explosive, offensive player. I count 11 starters from those drafts! That’s 1/2 the team and 4 are Pro Bowl level, while Revis may be the best overall player in the NFL. Only in bizarro world could that be considered poor drafting. The defense does need an every down DE/OLB bona fide pass rusher and it may be too much to expect Maybin to fit that role (but I’m not dismissing it completely) and safety needs to be upgraded. But, your critique has no factual foundation. The Jets underachieved this season and that was caused, in part, by their dysfunctional lockerroom and incompetent OC. But, you and everyone else that says the Jets need an overhaul or are somehow unstable are, IMO, being hyper-critical and irrational. 8-8 is an average season. If average is the new floor for this franchise in the Rex era, that would be a turning point for this franchise.
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But Sackdance…we didn’t win the SB. Waaaaaa. *sniff*
Many on this board seem to live in bizarro world. Want to kill Tanny for not Getting a pass rushing OLB, I can get behind that. Saying that he hasn’t drafted well at all is silly.
He’s had a good, sustained run and has earned some more time. There is not a GM out there that has done much better over the last 6 years.
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One thing to add to what you wrote. We got Tone and Cro for draft picks. So it can be said that more than half the team came from draft picks.
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I might have to dust off my researcher cap and show how the Pats “built through the draft”. A laughable premise that Joey would likely ignore, but whatever, I like proving that the draft is a crap shoot and one of 3 ways to “build a team”
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So true.
Why has this blog seemed to have become a battlezone lately?!? Going 8-8 really has brought out some of the most ridiculous stuff.
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I dont think it ws 8-8 as much as the high expections that said we were going to the SB and if you remember, it was said this is the best team yet. The shock will wear off and it will be back to business for us. A new season, new hope.
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Like you, I thought the talent level on this team went down this offseason. No matter what Rex said, I felt that an AFCC appearance would have been a lot to ask.
Either way, the totally negative comments, the back and forth and the b.s. on here has gotten out of hand.
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Relax, its starting to calm down now. We are all human and sometimes things get a little hairy when you have high expectations for your team and they dont have a winning season and miss the playoffs, but the bottom line, no matter what our comments are, we are all in this together and want a Jets SB.
We have the offseason to look forward to. I will enjoy a huge get together for the SB with my family and friends and root on big blue, then its time to concentrate on our moves to better this team. To me, as I am sure with many here, football is year round!
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People have inflated expectations, and as our very own Rex said “you want to play when expectations are high” (or something – Hard Knocks, look it up).
In my past life as a finance drone, I specialized in research and reading charts. There has never been a stock chart in the existence of financial trades that went up, and up, and up, and never came down. It’s “up , up, down, up, up, down”. You don’t become a perennial “top stock” overnight, just like you can’t become a perennial “top contender” overnight. And there will be bumps (“losses”) in the road. People are too impatient for this waiting game, though.
Also, people hold the past 40 years against Rex, as if he had something to do with them. Look at Rex’s Jets in a vacuum, and your outlook probably gets a little bit more optimistic.
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Well, everyone forgets that the high expectations were based on the roster at the time, which included a healthy Turner, Cumberland, B. Thomas and Leonhard. Injuries are expected, but 4 season-ending injuries to 2 starters and 2 key rotational players? Combine the bad luck or “regression to the mean” on injuries (including Mangold’s) and weird things like the special teams turnovers and perfect FG % against the Jets and, even forgetting the dysfunction and poor OC, this season was just one of those years. I’m more disappointed that the Jets didn’t man up to get to 9-7, but it was pretty obvious early on that this season was going to be a slog. I was hoping that they’d catch fire at the end, but there just wasn’t enough left in the tank after the Eagles loss.
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Rex are you listening to Revis? When your own players are saying I wish we would just go out and perform instead of shooting off from the mouth, I think it’s time you re-evaluate your-self continuing on you being you. O.k Rex?
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georgeJETSon says:
Revis didnt say that. The writer assumes that maybe who he is speaking of. Since Rex doesnt play how do we know he isnt speaking of players?
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J from Jersey says:
Mangold and Revis should kidnap Holmes / Sanchez for a few days and get their heads together, nothing like a nice kidnapping to bring a team together.
Well it’s a suggestion damnit -_-
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Rusty sanchez says:
Instead of mark inviting Holmes to jets west this year he should throw a private mini camp for him and homes only and call it jets Amsterdam they will be getting along in no time
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keator says:
Does Mark have Jets West this year? I am interested to see that…..
Looks like mark is going into his 4th yr with new wrs to have to get a chemistry with
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Holmes and Kerley will be back, so that’s two receivers he’s already played with.
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Nick says:
I wouldn’t be so sure about Holmes. He only cost us a 5th round choice, you don’t think Mr T wouldn’t trade him at the draft?
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$$$?
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I think a team like Baltimore, still searching for that WR they need, would trade the Jets a late round pick and eat the contract.
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Because otherwise your risking the entire 2012 season on these two getting along. I wouldn’t want to roll those dice.
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I doubt any team eats his whole contract.
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Don’t forget Turner, his USC homey.
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Lam Jones says:
I really hope he steps up; he is obviously a strong blocker and a big target. If he can be part of the rotation on the outside we can draft a deep threat to work in slowly.
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If Turner steps up, then your deep threat is Kerley and you are done.
Sparano cut Turner though. Not sure if he is going to stick.
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Kerely is not a deep threat.
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Exactly. The teams needs some speed at WR. Could have said that much better.
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Pierre Garcon for the deep threat? Always liked him and he has a little size at 6-0. Thoughts?
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Heck, if we’re going there, let’s just trade up and draft Blackmon. 6′ is not good size. That is small and barely taller than a DB.
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There’s only a select few WRs that combine over 6-0 height with plus speed, by that measure, Garcon has good height. Garcon was clocked at the Combine with a 4.42 40 time and he weighs a bulky 210 lbs. Blackmon is listed at 6-1, is 215 lbs. and his 40 has been estimated at 4.5. When he’s measured, he will likely be under 6-1 and I’m it’s unlikely his 40 time will match Garcon’s. Plus, if there’s any position that I prefer getting through free agency, it’s WRs. The learning curve is steep for all but a few and with a new OC, the Jets need someone to step in immediately. And, he’ll only be 26 at the start of the season. Garcon is a true vertical threat and, IMO, 2nd only to DeSean Jackson (5-10, 175 lbs., 4.35 40 time) in the UFA class and they have the same short shuttle speed of 4.19. I think you may be short-changing Garcon, he’s pretty good.
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why, he’s totally forgetable
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JayGo says:
The Jets are now interesting, relavent, and exciting. Lots of talk, maybe non-stop talk, by passionate lovers and haters despite a disappointing season. Thanks Woody, Mr. T and Rex. This team was a few plays, not games, away from making the playoffs and then all would have been OK. Instead, the team failed, the egos surfaced, the dirty laundry (that every team has) was on display. Go on haters, have your day. We will be back, and we will be back stronger. Winning fixes everything. You numnuts old enough to remember the 77 Yankees (my favorite NY team ever) where the manager fought openly, even on national TV, with the star player, and the two stars took jabs EVERY DAY in the newspaper at each other? That was the famous Bronx Zoo and we can have our version of the Swamp Zoo and still be successful. This is not about being friends and holdingg hands. Sanchez needs the weak link at right tackle fixed, we needed and got a new offensive scheme, we need a deep threat, we need a pash rush and we need help at safety. Plug a few of those holes and it will be all chest bumps, high fives and a love-in. I have never seen a team bashed at every opportunity like this Jets team in my ump-teen years of watching sports. Give the haters any opening and they blast. The only and best way to shut them up is to win. That will not happen for a few months so us Jets fans just have to eat **** for now. I’m used to the taste but I still don’t like it.
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It would be sort of silly to give the guy away and take the cap hit if you cant get any return value for him.
What we are going to find out pretty quick is whether or not the problem was between Shotty and him or Mark and him. I think it was more Shotty, based on the comments going back to the AFC championship game, and I think Mark got caught in the middle trying to defend his OC. If that is the case, they should be able to get past it. If that isnt the case, and its because he things Mark cant play, then we have a HUGE problem.
My take, which is worth next to nothing, is that it will get worked out. I dont think Revis and Mangold would just flat out lie about Mark if he couldnt really play. I still believe he played hurt this year, way more than was let on.
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clarkgaines1979 says:
i agree with you “karl” and i hope you’re right
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johhnyjetson says:
Hey guys..its funny how we put so much of our time in our lives into sports when this is really just a game and doesn’t effect our lives one way or the other. I just found out today that my wife has thyroid cancer at the age of 28. Even tho the doc said everything will be ok and its in its early stage, just thinking about losing her makes me feel so scared. I would give up football, the jets and any sports for her. So I will never ever again put a simple game in front of my family. I could live without the jets but I can’t live without her. I just wanted to get that off my chest.
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Johnny, really, really sorry to hear about this. I have a friend who is a thyroid cancer survivor, so while it’s impossible not to worry in your shoes, try to stay positive. Thoughts and prayers go out to you and your wife.
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Bent says: That’s terribly sad to hear and while it may not mean much, my thoughts go out to you and your wife and I hope she can make a full and fast recovery.
It means a lot that you would share that here. Everyone may bicker, but you’re one of us and we’ll all be united in wishing you all the best. It’s sad that it takes something so awful to put things in perspective but it’s obvious your wife has someone who cares about her, so hopefully that’s part of the battle won already.
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My thoughts are with you and your wife.You really put things in proper perspective. I posted something a day or so ago that wasnt close to the same magnatude as your post , but it had to do with just enjoy the SB and leave the bitterness aside as being with friends and family should be cherished first.
Football to me is an escape from a world that in my opinion is bat sht crazy! It is just a distraction and a time for me to find some enjoyment in something I love, but you are right, it is small in the grand scheme of things, and must not be taken too serious or it loses its purpose.
Cancer treatment has come a long way as my best fiend has been in remission for 20 years with no trace of prostate cancer, thank God.
Your post really tells it the way it is. Thanks for sharing. God Bless!
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My wife is a cancer survivor. Getting the news is often the worst part. Treatment today is so advanced you will be surprised at its effectiveness. Good luck.
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sorry to hear that johnny,please stay strong buddy,and God willing she will be ok.
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Thanks everyone. I really appreciate it. It means alot to have u guys to come talk to. I leave it in Gods hands and I know he will come thru with a blessing
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She can beat it. Have faith.
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Sorry to hear that johnny. Thought to you and your wife. Stay strong.
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Completely detox your wife!! No lotion, soap, sunscreen, cola or anything with chemicals. Most cancer come from waste the kidneys reject into the body. Let your wife’s body try to heal itself before any type of radiation.
Keep the sorrow away as well.
Hope for a full recovery,.
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please look into a high alkaline diet too…good vibes and prayers sent your way Johnny. I hope for a complete recovery… It terribly scary, but i know quite a few people who have beat some serious stage cancers. again, all the best…
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I know I’m a day late but sorry to hear that and hope everything works outs so your wife is 100% healthy
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I know hope springs eternal for Jets fans, but the real weakness of the team is it’s offense and IMO an OC that emphasizes the run even without ANY roster changes would make this team 2-3 wins better. Any upgrades to the OL, esp. at LG, RT and run-blocking TE, combined with a healthy Cumberland, a capable vet replacement for Burress (and their are tons on the UFA market) and better play by Sanchez and there could be significant offensive improvement. The Jets can be very strategic in how they improve the team because they have tons of draft picks and it’s a deep UFA class on the offensive side. We know that Sparano likes to run and uses double TE with an FB a lot. His TEs in Miami were both pass catchers and run blockers. So, the roster will be tweaked, but I don’t expect major surgery.
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Hey Johnnyjetson:
Hey, I experiencad cancer, I also experienced the “other side”.
Let me tell you: Think positive, enjoy the day day, every beautiful day even if it rains!!
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THANKS HANK
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KM from Rockland says:
Mangold and Revis need to take charge. Get Harris, D’Brick and Sanchez and huddle prior to camp opening and set the tone with how camp will be run with the players. All successful teams have good locker rooms, and their goal should be to set that environment. They should also get with Rex and ask for his help in keeping the coaching at a professional level. I think this will go a long way.
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sorry, my previous post seems out of order. I too am a cancer survivor and there are times we need to put things in perspective. The Jets should be our release on the real world. But when the release creates more stress we need to step back.
To Johnny, your wife will be with you a long time, it will all work out. Attitude and clear thinking is what you need. If you caught it early it sounds like you are thinking clear and you weren’t in denial. Good luck.
Now, back to our release: We need Tony Richardson.
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THANKS
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Soooo… Sanchez regressed, huh? He was better this year on every measurable stat besides total interceptions even though his o-line played the worst it has by far in these three years and his #2 receiver was an aging player who hadn’t played football in two years and his #3 receiver was fired mid-season.
Is the argument really that he regressed because he didn’t make it to the AFC championship this year?! The kid has the 6th highest career passer rating in the play offs and he has played ALL his games on the road. Is he being blamed now for doing fantastic in the playoffs the last two years?
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TOON2388 says:
he had over 20 turnovers if you include fumbles and in the new flag football version of what used to be full contact football, Sanchez could not get the ball downfield to hit big plays. He is lost if his primary target is not open
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He also had 32 touchdowns if you include rushing touchdowns. Who would he throw to if Holmes isn’t open? Plax could not get separation all year so his only option most of the time was to throw short to Kerley or Keller or dump it off to the running back. Our game this year was way too one-dimensional and when opposing teams took out Holmes by double-teams he really had very little to work with.
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+1 holck
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Johhnyjetson, my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. Hang in there
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THANK YOU SIR
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Brooklyn Dude says:
Johnny,
Hope your wife make a full and complete recovery.
We all like to read and talk about the Jets,
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THANK YOU
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all this talk about Rex Ryan since rex has been the coach of the jets the teams have more highlights than
any other jet team in the last 43 years.I mean you could go to youtube and just look at a bunch of different games that the Jets won including playoffs.so he lost the team !so what! lets go back 10 years almost every coach had a bad 2nd year after loosing in the first or second round of the playoffs.and when they lost it was 6-10 4-12 rex goes 8-8 with problems in the locker room.so if we dont have that problem maybe we win 2 more games and go 10-6 with a playoffs.I blame the team not rex they get paid also to be responsible these are suppose to be college educated employees.making millions.when it comes to holding out for more money they dont need a supervisor. I think the players are all full of Sht and rex needs to go off on them ,if they was so many problems why did not 1 player go to rex or tanny and make the complain.I just think the Jets are stunned that they missed the playoffs and everyone is pointing the finger very mature for a bunch of millionaires.blame the man who got you some respect and 2 runs to the AFC game.people are just full of themselves.after all the coach has done telling the world that his boys were the best, this is how he gets pay back unbelievable. -
mikebe1 says:
If revis thinks we need more peices how bout he give up about 8 mill so we can get some peices and not hold out anymore.
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Nolan says:
yeah, it would be nice if he took a pay cut, but why should he. He is number 1 at his position in the league, and probably top 5 of any position. Other teams have great players making huge sums of money and they seem to make ends meet when it comes time for the free agency. Fact is we’re lucky to have him, and he deserves his salary grade as much as anyone in the league. not to say that any of these players deserve that kind of money to play a game, but if the money is there you cant blame him for taking it. each team has the same cap space to work with so its up to the front office to build a team around the important pieces they already have. plus we had revis for a good deal of time on a much lower pay grade than he is at now.
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Wsh rex would grow a pair. Tell some of his players to STFU in a while, run a tighter ship. Be more involved in the offense and the locker room. Head coaching isnt just defense.