Holmes Is Not the Only Player In Question Today
Thanks to Bent this morning for the early morning reminder that Santonio Holmes contract gets guaranteed for 2013 today, but remember that’s not the only player who will get guaranteed money even if they don’t play for the Jets this coming season.
Thanks to our friend Jason at NYJetsCap.com, this is also the decision date for some other players … via an email from Jason:
… this is also the decision date for Cromartie (it’s a lock that he stays as there is no offset in his deal) and more importantly Hunter. Hunter’s 2012 salary become fully guaranteed if he is still on the roster. No chance he can stay unless they renegotiated that clause out of his deal.
We closed last year with just under 8.4 million in cap room, barring the cut of Holmes or Scott that will all carry over on the 15th of February. Cap commitments look to be in the 128 million range right now. There are two escalators that are left which should hit in the next week or two.
So beyond Holmes, this also means that the Jets will bring back Cromartie since his contract doesn’t allow for an offset — that’s basically a salary cap clawback that the team would gain once he signed elsewhere.
As far as Hunter, he’s worth $2.5 million against the cap and it would be clean cut (no dead money) if they did it today. Maybe the Jets force him to re-do his deal to hang onto him, but the bottom line is that if he’s unwilling to re-do the deal, the Jets have to cut him today. Normally, I’d have no concerns that this was going to happen, but the way the roster has been managed since the re-institution of the CBA has me all in my head. I have to confess I am deathly afraid the Jets won’t do what appears to be the obviously right thing with his salary today.
141 Responses to Holmes Is Not the Only Player In Question Today
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Sanchez sucks ... GO JETS says:
Wish their was a like button on this site lol
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Bent says: Could you pick another username please, the one you just used could be construed as offensive.
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ramble914 says:
If there was, I would not use it for your name. Sanchez does not suck!
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jetsman24 says:
not the 50. we’d never get there.
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Ben Nevis says:
Bassett—
You write: “As far as Hunter, he’s worth $2.5 million against the cap and it would be clean cut (no dead money) if they did it today. Maybe the Jets force him to re-do his deal to hang onto him, but the bottom line is that if he’s unwilling to re-do the deal, the Jets have to cut him today. . . . I have to confess I am deathly afraid the Jets won’t do what appears to be the obviously right thing with his salary today.”
I agree, Bassett, the way the FO handled the previous off-season is cause for serious concern today.
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mataos says: January 18, 2012 at 7:10 pm "I don't buy it" says:
Considering they already retained one UFA only 48 hours after the season was over, I’d say they are ahead of schedule.
THERE WAS A LOCKOUT PPL AND ONLY LIKE 20 UFAs!!!!!!!
CUT THE GUY A BREAK!!!!
Yes the all-caps was necessary.If I speak at one constant volume, at one constant pitch, at one constant rhythm, you still won’t hear…you still won’t hear.
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Brendan says:
And Final Four restrictions the season before the lockout.
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Thank you, I forgot to mention that in my moment of complete and utter befuddlement. I should be used to it but the same culprits just refuse to listen to logic or reason.
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Bent says:
Turner was an RFA not a UFA, not that it matters.
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mataos—
Even with the lock-out and all other factors taken into consideration, the FO still made very questionable decisions during last year’s offseason, such as massively overpaying Hunter, as well as overpaying Plax (instead of offering him an incentive-laden deal), as well as picking up Mason, as well as wasting a huge chunk of the offseason focusing on one player alone—Aso—thereby handcuffing the FO in terms of making any other deals.
Which is to say, I stand by what I said: the way the FO handled the previous offseason does not inspire confidence in them now.
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They gave Hunter $1.2 million, so I don’t know if that’s “massively” overpaying. And I’ve still yet to see anyone around here suggest a better tackle who would have been as cheap and not cost the team guaranteed $ into 2012.
A lot of people confuse my defense of the Hunter signing as me thinking Hunter is a very good player. This isn’t the case, I simply saw what was out there and realized it was probably the best plan to keep the line intact (the line that won in NE in the playoffs) than bringing in someone who may be marginally better than Hunter, but would be behind Hunter in terms of understanding the offense.
Plax was well worth his contract, IMO. Dude had almost 10 TDs and made $3 mil. I feel like he was fairly paid, and he would have been underpaid had the coordinator used him properly.
I’m not really sure what Aso cost them, looking back on it. They obviously had Plan B in Cromartie, who cost over $8 mil, and with Aso coming in at about $12 mil, that means they only missed out on $4 mil of cash in that week or so they “wasted” with Aso.
Mason was a swing and a miss. But I feel this was them trying to replace Cotch (who had requested to be let go) with another veteran with good hands. Since Mason outperformed Cotch in 2010, it seemed like a solid idea. It didn’t work out, but I get the logic behind it.
Tanny usually hits on those gambles, this year they didn’t really work. Next year, there will be a couple more gambles, so let’s hope Tanny gets his lucky dice back before he gets knee-deep into the offseason.
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Brendan—
The massive overpayment to Hunter is the $2.5 mil he is contracted to receive this year (though we both hope he won’t get that $$). As for an alternative to Hunter, I would have kept Damien on for another year, and said so (repeatedly) on these threads before last year’s preseason began. As I also said on these threads (in a long exchange with Bent, which you commented on yourself), keeping Damien would have allowed Hunter more time to develop in his position, so that even if Woody had only, let’s say, half a season left in the tank, it would have given us a better OL for that half season, as well as allowing Hunter an opportunity to learn his position well enough that he might have performed at a higher level. (And who knows, maybe Woody would have been able to play at a solid level for most of the season.)
As for Plax, I said on these threads as soon as the FO signed him (in more than one exchange with you) that it was a mistake to guarantee him over 3 mil, especially when he hadn’t been on an NFL field in over 2 1/2 years, and especially as it could easily take him a large chunk of the season to get back into the speed of the game. Indeed, halfway through the season, Plax himself said he was still not back into the speed of the game. Yes, PB had 8 TDs last year, but only 3 TDs in the last seven weeks of the season, when it would have counted most. On top of this, PB was not solid between the 20s. He was not a WR who stretched the field, he was not a viable threat at all, except in the endzone, for virtually the entire season. And this fact helped cut the legs out from under our passing game.
As for JCo, I would have kept him, no matter how much he wanted to be traded (he’s a gamer, he would have played his heart out anyway)—and would have done so for two reasons: 1) Sanchez needed to have WRs with whom he’d already developed timing and rhythm, especially when there was virtually no training camp and no time to adjust to new WRs, and especially as MS had only two seasons under his belt as a QB, and especially as MS had already lost Braylon. 2) JCo is a gamer. It’s very difficult to replace that kind of player in the NFL.
As for Mason, I confess that, like you, I had hoped for more from him. But Rex was a coach on the same team as Mason for many years—RR should have known what a blowhard Mason could be, and should have never ever even considered signing the man.
As for the focus on Aso, what we lost was the time we might have had to make other moves. And all that wasted time when there was little time available to us (due to the lockout) ended up in no signing of the prime target, the prime reason for putting much of the offseason on hold: Aso is not a Jet.
Also think it was a mistake to put so much hope in Eric Smith as a starting safety, especially when it was so abundantly clear that he couldn’t cover (I’ve said this on these threads for the past two years), and especially when we were vulnerable over the middle not just this past season but in 2010 as well (again, I said this over and over again, from early 2010 on). We didn’t make the right moves when it came to safety, and haven’t for the past two years. (Pool can cover, but he isn’t consistent.)
As for Mike T’s overall performance, other than the moves I describe above, I thought he did well, and did so, for instance, in the draft. I love that he drafted Mo and Kerley (who would be Larry in this Three Stooges analogy?), and I think Kenrick and McElroy and maybe even Powell have tremendous potential upsides. Also love that we picked up Maybin. But, in the end, mistakes were made last offseason, there’s just no doubt about it.
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Correction: what I meant to say is this: Plax had only TWO TDs in the last seven weeks of the season.
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clarkgaines1979 says:
hey ben, did you pcik your name because it’s highest mountain peak in scotland…or some kind of coincidence. Sorry to digress off topic, but i just remembered i hiked up “Ben Nevis” :)
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You’re operating under the assumption that Woody was a realistic option, I’m not. Woody tore his achilles in mid-January, an injury that takes about 12 months to heal completely. Woody was 35 years old and 350 pounds, likely making his rehab more difficult. So, by standard measures, he’s not ready for football until January 2012. Let’s say Woody is a superhuman and knocks 2 months off of that (something a guy a decade younger than him, Potty, couldn’t do), that still only puts him around early-to-mid November before he’s ready to play. By then, half the season is gone (at least) and Woody then has to work himself into game shape. You’re looking at, in the most likely scenario, a month of Woody in 2012. So, even if you signed Woody, you’d still have seen more of Hunter this year than Woody. That’s my opinion at least.
Plax wasn’t signed to stretch the field. That was supposed to be Cumberland in between the hashes and Holmes. A coordinator with an idea of how to maximize players’ ability would have used Plax as a 10-15 yard monster. The Jets didn’t run plays that Plax specializes in (slants and back-shoulder fades), so I put that on the coaches way more than Plax. But you don’t get 8 Tds (regardless of when they were scored) for $3 million all that often. You may want to see some other WR contracts that were given out, $3 mil isn’t a ton for a starting WR (even one who is probably best suited as a split-time #2 or a #3.
See, forcing JCo to stay would take one of the best people on the Jets to resent his team. I would rather JCo leave under good terms, than hate the uniform I loved seeing him play in. I think that was a respect move from all sides. Jco respects the Jets too much to publicly make an issue out of it, and the Jets respect him too much to hold him in spite of what he wants. Once he wanted out, I think the “keep him in NY” ship sailed, too.
Regarding Aso, you still didn’t address what I said, though. WHO did they miss out on? The guys that most of us wanted them to look at were still available (like Matt Roth, for instance), it’s just that the team felt they weren’t worth committing guaranteed 2012 money to, which is what the majority of those players were requiring from teams.
I am fairly certain the team was one of the best at covering TEs in 2010, but I could be wrong. I think the team felt Smith would be able to start on a defense that had 3 very good CBs, because he wouldn’t be left out on an island too often. Jimmy again got hurt and Smith was probably forced to be more of a coverage safety than anyone intended. I am indifferent towards Smith, I think people are too harsh on him, but he does make mistakes so if he’s demoted I won’t mind.
And I don’t disagree that some of these moves failed, but where I think we disagree is you classify them as “mistakes,” where I just see them as Tanny & Co. evaluating the value of each available player vs. their demands and deemed the investment not worth making. The 2011 FA class was extremely weak outside of a handful of guys, and with 2012 bringing a much deeper FA class, by not spending $ last offseason the Jets at least gave themselves a better starting point ($8 mil under the cap or whatever it is) than they would have been in had they went out and signed a bunch of veterans with guaranteed 2012 money just to make signings.
But I think we both would agree that this is a big offseason for everyone: Rex, Tanny, us fans, the team, Woody..everyone.
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Brendan—
You write: “And I don’t disagree that some of these moves failed, but where I think we disagree is you classify them as ‘mistakes’. . .”
Okay, Brendan, but we both agree that a number of these moves failed. And failure does not inspire confidence. That was my point, from my first post on this thread to this one.
But, yes, we both agree that this is a big offseason for the FO, the fans, the coaches, and the team. We can only hope that this time the FO gets it right.
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Bent says:
Failure doesn’t inspire confidence. Agreed.
However, success does. Agreed?
And the Jets have made plenty of successful moves over recent years.
This just looks like a classic case of Brendan’s glass half-full view and Ben’s glass half-empty view being at odds and I’m somewhere in the middle. Neither of you are wrong, by the way, one chooses to focus on the positive and one on the negative, which is fine.
I think it will be a challenging offseason, but it should be interesting to see it unfold.
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One more thing—
Got to run out to work now, so this will have to be my last post on this thread for a while.
But, as always, it was fun exchanging with you, Brendan.
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Bent says:
One thing I’d add to that is that Hunter probably wouldn’t have signed with the Jets if they retained Woody and the fact he was being lined up as a starter was one of the main reasons he did.
Therefore, the Jets were faced with a choice – lock up Hunter while they could, to a deal that gives him potential starter money but with a low-cost exit route if he underperforms or re-sign Woody, which means they lose Hunter and probably means Vladimir Ducasse starts on opening day and for goodness knows how long while Woody recuperates…by which time the Jets are 1-4 or something and everyone’s wondering why they didn’t just retain Hunter.
There are a lot of crappy offensive linemen starting in the league, many of them even worse than Hunter. You can still win if your tactics or your quarterback are good enough. The Giants had the worst line in the league and the Pats two RTs split reps on Sunday and gave up 11 pressures between them, which is something Hunter didn’t do all year. The Jets don’t have a Manning or a Brady at QB, but you can still overcome having a weakness on your offensive line and that was a failure on their part this year (although had everyone else played anything like they did the last three seasons, I don’t think Hunter’s struggles would have mattered).
Yes, they took a chance on Hunter and it was an unmitigated disaster, but every other option including retaining Woody (my preference) was not necessarily going to be any more successful.
Hunter had a bad year (especially the first three and last three games – in between, he was actually pretty solid), but most of the teams in the NFL have at least one starter just as bad and he isn’t the biggest reason they underachieved this year.
The important thing, as we all agree, is that they don’t (and I’m sure won’t) compound the problem by paying him the $2.5m going forward.
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joeyboy79 says:
Excellent post Ben, the front office was their own worst enemy, but fans keep making excuses for their incompetence.I guess the fans put hunter at RT and didnt address oline depth for years and are responsible for a slow D and still no pass rush going on years again. Thats we now have many,many needs in talent and depth. Excuses , excuses, excuses dont cut it anymore when you have not got to the big one in over 40 years! Lets just hope we have a killer offseason and change things around! The giving up of mass draft picks like T has been doing over the years for trying for the big splash will be his downfall if he goes that route again this time, we are too depleted.
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Guess I didn’t get back to this in time.
In short, one year of failure with the deck stacked against them does not undo 5 years of gradual progression (barring a few set-backs: Vern). I have faith the FO will make the proper moves to fix last years mistakes with a full off-season. I see you and Brendan discussed this thoroughly….Blee-de-de-Blee-de-de-Blee-de-de That’s all Folks!!!
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Jet 4 Life says:
He is a back up! he comes back at the league minimum or goodbye! He stole 2.5 Million last year.
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Bent says:
He only got paid $1.2m last year.
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Ok, he stole $1.2 million.
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That’s only $400k more than he would get if they gave him the minimum as a backup.
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They better! If Rex starts again with his BS bro-mances overrating players who’s personality he likes who s*ck BY quoting tailored stats, im gonna loose it! The guy was horrible and was the biggerst reason for Sanchez’s decline
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What’s funny, is people criticize Tanny for “being ruthless,” and this thread will be filled with 500 posts calling for Hunter’s head.
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Matt3222 says:
yeah but this one is pretty deserving – i wouldn’t mind bringing him back as a 6th lineman at a reduced rate though personally
i fear the same thing as Bassett – they’ll stand pat
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If he’s willing to take the minimum, I have no issue keeping him on the team. He’ll be competition for whoever else they bring in (I’m not even going to consider the possibility they won’t bring in another body), has experience as an extra blocker/backup OT, and seems to be well respected in the locker room.
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Brendan—
You write: “If [Hunter's] willing to take the minimum, I have no issue keeping him on the team.”
I agree. My concern is what Bassett says above: that the FO will bring Hunter back at his current contract price: $2.5 mil.
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Yeah, I guess I understand the concern, I just don’t think they will with the tight budget they’re working with.
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Hope you’re right, Brendan. Guess we’ll see soon enough.
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JetOrange says:
Another great off season kicks off. I’m willing to take Hunter back at 1.5 million, it’a 1 million dollar cut. There are No free agent Right Tackles out there in FA that are affordable. The draft can only yield players that will take a year or two to develop at RT. Of course i blame a lot of Hunters problems on Schotty, like I always do..
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Vernon Carey and (possibly) Marcus McNeill are two names to keep an eye on.
Both NFL veteran tackles, Carey was the Phins RT the past two years, but was a guard the year before that.
McNeill being brought up as hitting the waiver wire is pretty interesting, at least to me. He was one name that popped up a lot the past few weeks. No, not as a possible RT replacement, but as the “LT the Jets COULD HAVE had if Tanny knew what he was doing” or some such nonsense.
HEY GUYS, WANT TO REVISIT THAT 2006 DRAFT AND TELL ME TANNY SCREWED UP AGAIN?!?
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jdon says:
If he is a reserve he might play. We do not want him to play. Isn’t that the point. He is incompetent. Get someone else for less.
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OldGuyJetFan says:
I,d reduce his contract and keep him as he’s supposed to be ..a backup Ol, definitly not a starter.ike to keep him, hearing repeatedly his number called for holding reminded me of the old days when it seemed Chris Ward was called every other play.
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I would think calling a GM “ruthless” would be a compliment.
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mucky moose says:
Heads do need to be cut, Holmes. Cut out the cancer. This team needs to make a stand, not loud mouth statements.
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Nick says:
No need. Manning will command his respect.
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Private Jet says:
Throw this bum out!!!
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The question the Jets have to ask is at this point is do they view Robert Turner and Wayne Hunter as similar players?
Both are not starters but Hunter has proven he can spot start and play well.
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Turner can play C & G, so I think they probably view them as different kinds of backups.
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very true
Would be nice to have both back in their proper roles. Gonna need Hunter to restructure and a vet RT to make this work
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frankc says:
let’s hope Hunter “re-does” his deal. he’s a decent backup and as long as he doesn’t face DeMarcus Ware he’ll be fine. haha!
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Joe B. says:
Jason Babin begs to differ. As does Von Miller and the multitude of other pass rushers that Hunter let nearly kill Sanchez.
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I think Hunter is a rational guy. He knows he played pretty badly and probably wants to stay here.
A restructure is the right move for both parties. Hopefully that’s what happens.
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Plus, a minimum deal (minus agency fees, etc.) is still a heckuva lot more than he’d get doing anything else, I’m guessing.
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Yea the rest of the league saw that tape as well.
His restructure would be a good sign going forward with the OL.
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he has been exposed. He is no use even as a backup.
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Yes, he does have use. If any backup started a full season they’d be “exposed.” That doesn’t mean they still can’t go back to being a backup.
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damion says:
At the end of the day the deal with Homles has to be worked out you can’t just dump him. Who in there right mind would trade for him.
Three teams make sense Three teams really need help at the wide out spotEagles-dose Andy REid want a Mini T.O.? NO
Rams-Oh wait who is the New O.C.? NOPE!!!
Vikings-Hmm do they really want to team him with Ponder ? can’t see it
and at last glance mybe Tampa Bay…nahhh
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Holmes will work this out. with Sanchez, and if Peyton comes his eyes will light up as he sees big numbers and also Peyton won’t take his crap. Holmes is here to stay for awhile, make the best of it
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Super Bowl teams make the tough decisions. Cut Holmes.
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Bent says:
Too late now, I believe.
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That is a terrible idea.
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levi says:
I dont think Hunter has much choice but to take a pay cut if its offered. Its not like teams will be busting down his door to sign him after the season he just had.
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To me hunter is small potatoes… His 2011 play makes him expendable but just mybe Saprano can coach him up? If Turner has recovered from
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Injury then bring him back for depth cause who gonna be beating down his door Jets know him best.
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I feel bad for Hunter – being exposed as the open door for opponents defensive plans, but please, he has been exposed.
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JayGo says:
Timing is rough for the Jets here. There is no way Hunter starts at RT next year but right now they do not have a viable replacement. Do you eat the $2.5MM as insurance or roll the dice? You do neither as all here suggest. Offer the minimum and hope he bites. If not, my vote is to let him go which would be received as a “statement” that the new regime is in charge. No way he can start next year. Forget the physical aspect, a change is necessary for mental health purposes for the team and Sanchez in particular. Some change has to happen in personnel on the line. It will be much tougher to cut or sit Keller who is a popular guy, there is no one else to change and so Hunter’s got to go. Keller can’t be the first casulty. Hunter even is an issue as a back-up but depth is an issue.
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tish says:
Bent: Are all teams subject to this date being potentially eventful? If so, it could mean a first glance of potential FA’s beyond the names that will be available.
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Bent says:
Not all, but I expect there are other teams that use the second day after the waiver process as a trigger date, so expect to see some movements this week.
Not linked to that date, the Chargers are expected to cut Marcus McNeil and save $10m on their cap. Injury prone but definitely talented and I think better suited to RT than LT. Hmmm….
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Cro can’t tackle or doesn’t attempt to at least.
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jerk says:
I don’t know why Crome was even brought up, he makes our defense that much better. Everyone runs there mouth about him n under rates him but hes very good at what he does. Cromartie sumtimes gets the short end of the stick beause he has revis on the other side of the field but besides that Cruz play which was a huge one for the last like 6 or 7 games he didn’t have plays where you could kill him for them. Tackling could get a lot better and keep him away from kick offs.
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Batwings says:
Agree about Cro
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TOON2388 says:
so if we cut Sanchez we save $9MM? what the hell are we waiting for?
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Bent says:
His replacement?
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come on Bent, I don’t have all the answers!! And I was joking, I think
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Bent says:
I was too. I think.
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elmoron says:
Devil’s advocate and trying to think outside the box a little, but consider if they traded Sanchez to the Jags for their #7 pick + the Jag’s 3rd round. They could then select one of the top OTs in this year’s draft (Reiff, Martin), then trade down from their #16 to pick up an extra 2nd rounder. Use their second 1st rounder to select a TE (Allen) or S (Barron). Then use one of the two 2nd rounders to draft the best of the remaining QBs (Foles, Osweiler, Wheedon, etc). With the extra cap room created combined with their current $8.4 million, sign a FA pass rusher (Williams, Campbell) and a QB (Flynn, Smith), take care of Sione and maybe even have enough left for Prater.
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Bent says:
I’ve seen worse ideas.
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Since the Jets are installing a new, albeit simpler, offense this year geared toward the run. I’m assuming that would include a short, accurate passing game (McElroy?) the timing may be right. They could use their second 2nd rounder for a RB, and their two 3rds for a WR (taking the pressure off Holmes) and an OLB to help replace Thomas. I’ve defended Sanchez often here, but the Jags could well be moving to LA sooner rather than later. After reading the posted opinons these last few days, I fall into the “many needs” category, and this route may address alot of them.
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Bent says:
The instant the Jets get rid of Sanchez, he’s destined to turn into Drew Brees 2.0. It’s destined to happen.
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Another thing. Like many, I’ve gone back and forth on T’s drafting, often depending on which poster makes the better argument that particular day. But I strongly believe that T and Mangini worked pretty well together (Gholston aside although the responsibility for that selection still remains cloaked in such deep mystery that I suspect Woody may have been involved). T and Mangini are friends, as is Ryan with Mangini. It may behoove them, for this year’s draft given its importance, to bring Mangini back in some capacity to the FO.
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I don’t think I could handle Hank if that happened.
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LOL. I’ve actually enjoyed you two.
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One last thing and then I’ll shut up. The Jags can’t he happy with Gabbert but they’re not in a position to get one of the top 3 QBs this year. I believe Washington will grab Tannehill. The Jets are apparently also due some compensatory picks in the 7th, 6th, maybe even the 5th. They could pick up a C/G in the 4th and continue to address other areas with those later picks. The scouting department really just needs to be on its toes this year.
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Ok, I lied. We would also be maxing Plex’s strengths (red-zone, slants, back-shoulcer), which require extremely high accuracy. This plays to McElroy’s strengths. Although Sanchez’ completion percentage continued to improve, despite the ridiculous pressures, he nevertheless regressed in other areas, so yet he alone on the roster has value. Given Holme’s contract and his end-of-year antics, we can’t get much for him and, recent cum-bah-yah tweets aside, I can’t help but see a real danger in a divided lockeroom next year. To avoid the appearance that he “won” Holme’s agreeing to a restructuring could really help the overall situation, possibly even freeing up enough to sign a legitimate #2 FA which only helps Holmes.
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Jets-Fan-4-Life says:
What time of the day today is this deadline?
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Bent says:
It’s unclear from the language in the CBA, but most sources were working on the basis of 10am…ie five minutes ago.
PFT says it was 4pm yesterday.
Re: Hunter, they may have already dealt with his contract behind the scenes, but details may take a day or two to filter through.
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Thanks!
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JEFFDOLFINI says:
Hey Bent, if Marcus McNeil is cut, that would be a great signing. He could be a potential pro bowl RT, in my opinion. What a big hole that would fill for the team. They could structure the contract so the first year has a very low cap hit. Do you think the Jets would go after him?
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Bent says:
I don’t know, but it helps them either way by adding one more quality tackle to the market.
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Daniel Krauss says:
Just sign a good RT and get a LG to replace Slauson.
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WOJF says:
Can Hunter play LG?
Was beaten mostly on outside speed moves not an issue at G.
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CPL593H says:
Don’t think Hunter has the pure strength to play G every down.
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The 2 players I have questions about are Schlauderaff and Alexander. Schlaud cost a draft pick; does his performance(?) warrant not picking up another OL (besides the new RT)? What has Alexander done or what plans do they have for this guy who makes more money than a number of guys who appear to be bigger contributors?
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Bent says:
Schlauderaff may not have cost a draft pick – they never released the conditions attached to that trade. On him, it’s too early to tell because he played about the same amount as Slauson did before becoming a starter the following season.
Alexander doesn’t have guaranteed money, so he’s just another body in the mix.
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Joey The Jet says:
Idiot Tanny has struck once again,he gives out all this guaranteed money to holmes,sanceese,scott,pace,cro,hunter,no wonder why we cant sign decent backups for depth,i cant wait till this idiot is fired so we can get a real football GM in here.
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zzzzzzzzzz
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go shine your boss Tanny’s shoes
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Oh, digging deep into your bag of tricks, I see.
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not really,i just dont understand why you are still commenting on my post,we clearly never agree,and i think its safe to say we dont like each other,so go harrass others,and leave my comments alone,i never comment on yours,and i’d appreciate if you get it and leave mines alone
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I like you.
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The flat out hate for Tanny confuses me……. I assume the “grass is always greener” is everyone’s theory with our GM.
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People need something to gripe about.
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it’s the whole “extreme” thing…all one way or all the other. I personally have some issues with some of his moves, the way they treated leon washington and such. But Tanny is neither the best or worst GM in the league. That should be simple enough to agree on. But yet someone will still say he sucks. Also to deny that he has ever had any good draft or free agent moves is just as ridiculous. I firmly believe if you reserve the right to criticize any man, then you should also be willing to give him credit where it is do.
I, again, personally have no loyalty to “T” and would care less if he was gone (again, assuming his replacement would be better. No guarantees there) …but bear in mind, if he is fired it means we just had another horrible season…So hears hoping he’s around for a while LOL!
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Rusty sanchez says:
Knowing the jets luck ducasse. Will start this year and have the greatest season as a rt but we won’t have the money to resign him next year and some other team will benefit
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pedro says:
ESPN is reporting that the Jets have signed Holmes for $15 million. WTG, Jets! You just got an overrated me-first quitter and overall team cancer at a bargain basement price. Nice move, Woody and Tanny. Super Bowl here we come!
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Uh…Holmes was signed last offseason.
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Revis Christ says:
Nice Bro, only 8 month late.
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What I meant to say was that the Jets are KEEPING him for that amount. You guys are pathetic. The point is that today was the day they could either cut him or lock in the contract. Did you really not understand that?
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We do. We weren’t quite sure you did, since you said “signed” and not “kept.”
And there are worst travesties in the universe right now, over a guy who is the best offensive player on a team making a lot of money.
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runleon29 says:
mr. mangold might have something to say about your last point. although, he’s such a humble, selfless teammate, i bet he wouldn’t even challenge it. and that’s the point. talent doesn’t exist in a vacuum, it exists in a locker room of 52 interdependent men. i’m not suggesting the Jets should have cut holmes. the financial ramifications were too restrictive. i’m just suggesting that he’s a d–k and people are sick of him.
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I’m Mangold’s biggest fan, I think he’ll be in the HOF one day, and he has a chance to be the best to ever play his position.
Whether it’s Holmes or Mangold is not the point though.
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DO YOU NOT SEE THE AVATAR!?
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you’re starting to SOUND LIKE HANK!?!
kidding.
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Johnny Reefer says:
Make an account with your email you use on here.
Click my account after you make the account, Change the Gravatar to whatever you like. Make it G. (when its say G, PG, R, XXX).
That should do it.
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D HOCKER320 says:
anyone else wish that there ended up being a lockout before this season, so that that terrible outcome would not have happened? or was watching football worth it to see even if it was giants over pats?
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Lam Jones says:
thats a good point; knowing what we know now, would we really have been so opposed to losing the 2011 season due to the lockout?
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Jeti Master says:
No chance Jets pay Hunter $2.5 million today.
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hank/naples says:
Jeti Master;
I would laugh my ass off watching Tannebaum sign Hunter for that $2.5!!
I guess you guys forgot that the Jets EXPERTS (Tannebaum, Rex and Bent)all said that Hunter played WELL all things considered!!!
If he DID play well, why would he be DENIED his well deserved salary!!!
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Bent says:
Hank –
I never said he played well (although there were several games where he did). All I’ve ever said is that there are guys worse than him on nearly other team, so maybe he’s not as bad as some people have said.
The contract was (smartly) structured so he received less than $500k more than the minimum in year one and so it would be easy to restructure at the end of the first season if he didn’t prove himself as a starter.
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What about Hunter? Please tell me are cutting him! Also please tell me that Sanchez is restructuring his contract!!
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Bent says:
Doesn’t sound like he’s been cut, but that doesn’t mean his guarantee crystallized – they may have negotiated his salary down and/or removed the guarantee.
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Would they report on that? Or is this something we will find out about post draft as were tryiing to sign players?
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Bent says:
It would leak out at some point because they’d have to log it with the NFLPA database and then Jason’s sources or one of the beaties would pick it up.
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man, since the end of the season the Jets blog really feels like the ICU at a hospital.
Just full of negative vibes, its pretty sad.
To bad there are only like 7 people trying to put out good vibes. It just not enough.
Karma my homies, negative thinking only brings negative things.
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If we dont get our act together as an organization, we can drink the kool aid , wave the pom poms,until the cows come home, but nothing will change. Lets just hope this offseason we make a killing, then I will gladly gulp the kool aid!
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true dat ;)
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Wow Wayne Hunters 2012 salary garunteed! What a joke! I don’t get what’s hppening here. Can someone please explain!
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T bag!
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Lets bring back Adrian Clark, I think he is even cheaper than Hunter.
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Can we call him D Bag from now on! He isnthe worst! How are we paying him 2.5 mil gauranteed when he was a revolving door last season! I am beside myself!
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That might be offensive. Revolving door is better.I agree with you.
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LoL okay maybe a little offensive but the nam fits him well! So glad nothing will change next year. We don’t need to remove the problems on the line we’ll get them new coaching. Yeah that works! I am just puzzled by this move!
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It gave me agita,but as a jets fan I am used to it.
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Bent:
Guess who Callahan is talking about??
“He is, by far, the best athlete I’ve ever coached on the line. He can do it all — his power, his leverage, his ability to run, his ability to move — I mean, you name it, he excels at it,” says Callahan, who enters his 13th season on an NFL sideline since 1995. “There are no flaws athletically.”
Something is SERIOUSLY wrong in River City….if they deny him hsi $$$$!!!!
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Tyron Smith?
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The the man a cupie doll….anyway!!!
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Can we add a clause inhis contract that states if he continues to get holding calls that we can shoot him on the 50 ?