Daily Links: Could You Imagine?
- Analysis of Rex’s coaching staff [ESPN]
- Saving cap dollars for a rainy day [ESPN]
- Brandon Jacobs prefers Giants, but would consider Jets [New York Times]
59 Responses to Daily Links: Could You Imagine?
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ramble914 says:
Brandon Jacobs is not a team leader! The team leaders on the Giants are always having to bail him out because of his big mouth. Please do not insult Bart Scott by comparing him to BJ.
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damion says:
Why would we want studdering John
(Brandon Jacobs)if we want a big slow running back why not ADD Michael Bush from Oakland atleast he was productive! Jacobs and leader in the same santance thats an insult to to the word, thats just as bad as making TONE a capt, Leaders dont throw their helmits into the stands or do a stuiped dance after a touchdown.Jacobs is big for nothing he’s more like Little Jimmy most games!(invisible)
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*sentance…its early,(sorry)
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Brendan says:
Brandon Jacobs is not a good RB. That’s why he shouldn’t be on the team, I don’t care that he’s an a-hole.
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hank/naples says:
Lets see if I get this right>
The team comes off back to back Champioship games, so instead of adding serious help to push the team over the top, Tannenbaum decides to tank the season, push forward $8.4 million into the future so he could re-build???
Now that makes sense!!!
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How is that what you see? Seriously. Is that what you see when you look at this past offseason objectively.
Please, by all means, offer players they should have spent the $8.4 million on. That rollover money is something evvvvvery team is using. So, if you slight Tanny for this, you’re slighting every GM in the league.
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Bent says: It’s something most teams have done every year going back ages. They just simplified the process this year so that you don’t have to advance money and fiddle with incentives to defer current year cap space into the following season.
And why suddenly complain about this now when we’ve known that’s what they intended to do since September?
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To answer your question, because it’s Hank.
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Mikey Chase says:
Or Tanny thought instead of spending 8.4 million on somebody not worth it he would try to, for the most part keep a similar roster intact and after another year of playing together he felt this roster could get him over the hump. Hunter played better in the playoffs then any RT we could’ve signed. The only thing he really changed up was Braylon for Plax. But Braylon was asking for a lot of money and he felt Plaxico could do wonders for Sanchez just like he did for Eli when he was young. This wasn’t him being cheap this was him signing a wideout who clearly helped us bigtime in the redzone for a lot cheaper than Braylon. I think the team missed Braylon but it’s also on Schotty for not changing the offense and adding more back shoulders and plays to suit Plax’s strengths. I think more than anything though this team missed the leadership of Richardson, Digs, and Cotchery. But T-Rich retired Cotchery asked to be cut and we didnt have room for another slow hard hitting safety.
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joeyboy79 says:
Exactly Hank, I see it the same way.We were so close in 2011 and T downgraded the team to save some pennies ! it is not often you get that chance, you have to pull the trigger!We were all set for the big one coming out of 2010. If T had to save some cap space at the expense of a real run which doesnt come often, and not address key issues that almost got our qb killed in the process, he is not managing finances properly. The future is great to look out for, but you have to take care of the present if the opportunity is there for a chance at the big one! He let it slip through and what do we have now, a team that carried over 8 million but lost a real opportunity which was gold, mass needs in talent and depth and all the issues that we have. T bombed!
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Wolf says:
Well, if you put it like that.
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SackDance99 says:
The “gamble” is mostly 20-20 hindsight borne from not knowing what was happening in the Jets’ front office. I was disappointed that after Turner went down all the Jets signed were UDFAs cut from other teams. I don’t know if the Jets reached out to vets or not. And, the OL depth issue only occurred because Mangold, who I believe hadn’t missed a start in his NFL career, went down. Maybe Turner was somewhat unique. IMO, he’s a starter quality player that the Jets kept in reserve. That’s a luxury that most teams don’t have. Losing Turner just put the Jets on equal footing with most other NFL teams. The real failure was the OC not being able to craft an offensive game plan to minimize the losses on the OL (although, in Schotty’s defense, the Oakland loss was on the defense and special teams, but he owns that Ravens debacle).
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patd,” he gambled and it didn’t pay off.” I agree but lets take this further. A solid GM coming off a playoff appearance in 2010 with momemtum rolling would try to keep the team together as much as possible and knowing that they are on the cusp, would find ways to address the biggest concerns knowing that this could be the year and that it doesnt come often.
T not only didnt keep the team together and let core players/leaders walk where the chemistry was sound , but still did nothing to address weak areas. As a result, in 2011 the line was horrific, Sanchez regressed and was beaten to a pulp and huge discord developed among players. All saving for the next year? Was it really worth it?
To Me it is ludicrous to carry over money at the expense of not pulling the trigger for an opportunity that doesnt come often.You can find other ways to save. The money he would have spent would have still invested in the team for 2012 as it would have resulted in less needs!It doesnt go to waste if spent correctly.
T clearly blew an oppotunity and some want to cover it up that it was looking out for the future, please, it was incompetence! With no present, there is no future! Again, T blows this offseason he will be sent packing count on it!
Yes ,I agree with your post that he gambled and lost but a good GM would have pulled the trigger as the timing was there, knowing opportunitys like this dont come often, not gambled! So in essence, since we blew a season with much promise to carry over to next season this season in 2012 we should end up with 12 wins and a sb appearance? With the staus now of this team built by T ,I find that very hard to believe! He let our big one slip away, yes by gambling and it shouldnt have been the case.You dont gamble when your this close, you put your team in position to nail it!!The goal of all the cap savings and juggling is to win the big one right? Well he had the perfect chance and blew it. I hope he can see the mess he made and lost opportunity, as we had a tanked season, chaos and are left with huge rebuilding. But he counted his beans, a lot of good that did!
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I don’t think the jets are in rebuilding mode by any strecth more like re-tooling.
patd you just made some sense thanksHank there is a Laundry list of old players who have crash landed with the jets.
The days of the quick fix are over in my mind…The GIANTS didnt make any mojor moves last offseason and the just won the super bowl! isnt that the goal?no more quick fix build a team that can with stand anything. -
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Not that I am advocating getting Peyton, but if he’s healthy, he’d have around 3 more years of good football left in him and that year-long layoff likely healed the rest of his body. A 3-year tenure isn’t a “quick fix” and it’s not like Favre who had retired and was playing the diva with his comeback. Peyton wants to come back from injury and resume his HOF career. Remember, his 2010 would still constitute the best year for a Jets QB by a wide-margin: 66.3% completions, 4700 yards, 33 TDs to 17 INTs and on a team with a terrible OL and defense. And, that was an “off” year for Peyton. I still think the biggest obstacle to getting Peyton is Peyton: does he want to go out like Elway, with 3 straight Pro Bowls and 2 Lombardi Trophies as the 2nd offensive option behind his RB, or does he want to resume being “Peyton Manning”? The Jets just aren’t built for “Peyton Manning” but they are built for a straight drop back QB that plays off of run action. If Peyton wants to be a straight drop back QB, he would be one of the best in the NFL, right up there with Brady, Big Ben, Rivers and Eli, except he’d have the best running game of the group. I don’t think fans should just dismiss the idea of getting Peyton as another “quick fix”. If Peyton is healthy, he should have, at least, 3-4 more years and that’s a lifetime in pro sports. Also, the rumors that he wants to go to the Texans indicates that he is willing to hand off because Arian Foster is in the midst of a Terrell Davis-like run of excellence.
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SD:!
No way no who will he land on the Jets, period end of story!! Irsay or for that matter the City, will NOT part with him!!
Don’t you hear evry time they mention the Lucas oil Stadium as the stadium that Payton built???
They (colts) still expect him to play, and if NOT, he is like the Jeffersons….ie “Moving on up, to the penthouse” within the organization!!!
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___fense says:
But what would be the cost of getting Manning? Even if he in’t against coming here, he is not for it, and he will cost money. You don’t think the redskins are going to offer a ton of money for him? Overpaying big name players is their specialty! What about Miami, who have a direct stake in the the Jets not getting him? A healthy Peyton Manning would be great, but not when you need to get rid of all of your high paid guys to afford him, and still mortgage your future. I’m calling it right now, Peyton Manning will not win the Superbowl next year, on any team, and any team that he might be on will be worse off the next couple of years.
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who said peyton is gonna play 3 more years? really?
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why do you want a guy that dosent want to be a Jet!
F peyton manning he burned us once when already back in the day now its happening again?
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First, I read and heard pundits say that if Peyton is cut, he will not expect a big contract because he knows that it would not be realistic for a team to make a huge money commitment with a player coming off such a major injury. So, look for Peyton to sign a cap-friendly, incentive-laden contract. Second, why wouldn’t Peyton play at least 3 more years? He was as much of an iron man as Favre was (I believe Peyton’s consecutive start streak is no. 2 in NFL history) and Favre played well into his 40s as did Moon, Montana into his late 30s and the same with Elway, Marino, and Montana. Peyton will be 36, so I’m speculating he’d play until, at least, 38. And, there’s nothing to say that with his quick release he couldn’t play as long as Favre or Moon, who played until he was 44 and was a Pro Bowler as late as 41 (and like Elway was a solid Pro Bowler from 36-38). The greats tend to last and get craftier as time goes on. Also, as I said above, if he’s ready not to be the focal point of the offense and go from averaging over 570 attempts to 500 or less, then his career could even be prolonged. Again, I’m not for getting Peyton, but I don’t think he’s a “quick fix” because if he’s around for 3 years, that’s an NFL eternity.
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Bent says:
Since he didn’t play last year, it shouldn’t be too difficult to include easily attainable incentives in his deal that will still be treated as not likely to be achieved and therefore won’t count against the cap.
For example, if he’s healthy, he can probably throw for 3,500 yards and 20 TDs with his eyes closed, but those will be NLTBE because he didn’t achieve them last year. Alternatively, he could get a team-based incentive or something based on playing time.
Of course, once he achieves these, they will count against the following year’s cap but for whoever signs him that will probably be a cross-that-bridge-when-we-come-to-it situation.
For the Jets specifically, they could easily sign him to a deal with a lower cap number than the $9M they’d save by cutting Sanchez and then use the difference to bolster their depth. Then they have enough flexibility in 2013 that retaining him would not be impossible, even if he attains performance thresholds in 2012 that give rise to a huge 2013 cap charge.
I’m not advocating it either, but I bet the Jets are mulling it over. Not replacing the QB coach and the right tackle are actually two moves which make more sense if they plan to target Manning.
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If Manning is “healthy” why wouldn’t he throw in public to prove it? Or, if not in public, wouldn’t we hear about a private work-out with an interested team?
I gotta believe that his arm is still too weak to throw a 20 yard out pattern.
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Bent says:
Yes, the Jets wouldn’t sign a guy to guaranteed money without working them though would they?
Well, other than Plax.
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I agree they wouldn’t — I’m skeptical that he has the arm-strength now to justify serious discussions.
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Sd:
“First, I read and heard pundits say that if Peyton is cut…”
Seriously, CUT??? Irsay will cut his right hand off before he signs Paytons WALKING papers!!!
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Bent says:
Pipe dream IMO
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jerk says:
Lets hope everything goes the right way with that 8 mil and we cut and re adjust the contracts that need be. If all we did in free agency was franchise pouha and sign Williams, I would be great with that. Then in the draft we go ot,wr,safety,safety,qb,rb,og. Another way we could which be safer and preferably better because we could spread it out and saftety like griffin,franchise tag pouha, and sign Maybin and braylin redicolously cheap. Then go OT and OLB first and second rounds depending which players were available. Third round go get the other safety,next grab a RB or WR in the next 2 rounds. After that we can go TE, OG, and QB with the last few picks.
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Bent says:
I just can’t see them franchising Pouha. Money is tight in 2012, so they can’t really afford to sign him to a deal with a 7m cap number. The only way I can see them franchising him is if they’re planning to trade him.
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Bent:
Why would $$$ “be tight in 2012″??
Didn’t Tannenbaum do all those summesaults with all the contracts in order to save and get a head start with 2012 CAP????
Or did he get himself into a tight squeeze with all those 2009-2011 contracts and GURANTEES that his hands are tied????
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The ghosts of mismanagent come back to haunt! Booooooo! Dont worry, T will make more smoke and buy some more mirrors!
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He will re-shuffle his beans.
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Hey joeyboy:
Yo must go back and take a look at all my arguments with Bent/Brendan regarding Tannebaum PAINTING himself into a corner with all these “POISON PILLS’ and contract FUDGING, and and PSEUDO-Guarantees and the rest of the PHONY numbers!!!
I’ve been saying sooner or later it will come back to haunt him and US!!!
And it could NOT come back AT A WORST TIME!!!
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Yes, those arguments where you said there was no chance he could fit players under the cap? How’d that work out? Last I checked the Jets didn’t exceed the cap last year.
Can you name a contract that has a poison pill in it that hurt the Jets?
“I’ve been saying sooner or later it will come back to haunt him and US!!!”
No, you didn’t. You said it would happen last year. And the year before that. Aaaaand the year before that. You’ve been wrong every time, and I’ll bet that you’re wrong again.
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Bent says:
Please don’t bring up poison pills again. Trying to explain that to you was like repeatedly banging my head against a brick wall.
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I agree, but I don’t have to go back to see. I studied T and his approach and results over the years more in depth than when I took my Calculus 3 exam when I was youngster,lol. T is all smoke and mirrors and we will never have a sustainable team that will get over the hump unless he is fired or drastically changes his approach. It is just my opinion, but I put a lot of time into it and come up with that conclusion. I admit he is a very good deceptive magician , but I see the real deal!
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What he does isn’t magic, it’s just inventive and creative. But most of what he doesn’t isn’t even unique, as a lot of it is standard practice that every team does.
I still don’t know how two AFC title appearances is “smoke and mirrors,” but I’m addressing a grown man who apparently believes in magic, so I’m not expecting anything too logical from that.
Oh, and I know you’re going to ignore this post, like all of my posts, but I’m still going to respond to posts I think are inaccurate or flat out wrong.
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Bent says:
He didn’t do any somersaults with contracts. Everything he does is standard practice.
You said they couldn’t afford to bring back the core four and they did (and Holmes and Cromartie to big money deals too). These are the guys that they are going to be trying to build around now.
Cap space (not money, that’s misleading of me to refer to it as such) is only tight in 2012 because of the way these deals were structured. However, it’s not that tight in 2013, which gives them the maneuverability to keep the team together and make moves to upgrade where necessary. So, they can afford to sign Pouha to a market level deal without a problem, they just won’t want to do it with a deal that maximizes his cap hit in 2012, they’ll want to do it so that some of the initial cap hit is deferred into next year to retain payroll flexibility.
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Bent:
“… Everything he does is standard practice.”
I though you said he was a GENIUS!!!!
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Yes, too standard though which equates to just average.I am not saying T is horrible, just an average GM that patches up things with quick fixes at the expense of sound talent evaluation and building through the draft, and can look good with the bean count, but thats where it ends! Just average.
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In all seriousness, lets see what happens this offseason. I still have some flickering hope!
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Bent says:
No…I have never said he was a genius. EVER. Do you read anything I write?
Over and over and over again I’ve said it would be quite simple to keep the core together and get under the cap and it always was.
Last year, everyone else was saying he was a genius during the offseason and I was actually tempering that by saying – as I am now – that a lot of what he was doing was straightforward cap bookkeeping procedure.
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Bent:
You keep going back to that argumenty but it is absolutely NOT true:
I said ‘they couln’t sign the core four AND still sign the other FREE ASGENTS that were needed to fill the the open spots at the time we both know all our draft picks since then are average!! !!!
Well they did sign the core four, NOW tell me how many free agents can they sign now???
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Hank, you’re combining an argument from last year with one from this year.
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Bent says:
“I said ‘they couln’t sign the core four AND still sign the other FREE ASGENTS that were needed to fill the the open spots at the time ”
No you didn’t…but they did anyway. The only free agents they didn’t bring back were Braylon, who they replaced with Burress so that wasn’t because they couldn’t afford him (he ended up signing for LESS than Plax) and Ellis (who was outperformed by a guy that they drafted).
They’ll be able to sign some free agents now (well, when free agency opens) if they want. All they need to do is restructure a few deals and they’ll have some cap room to make a couple of moves if that’s the approach they decide to take.
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Bent:
I think you forgot a couple more…like Cotch and soon to be FA Lowery…that I can remember.
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Cotch that wanted to start, thought he could start, and then signed on to be the 4th WR on another team?
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Bent says:
They replaced both with free agent signings (Mason, Strickland/Pool) so it is inaccurate to say that they couldn’t afford to “sign the core four AND still sign the other FREE ASGENTS that were needed to fill the the open spots at the time “.
Anyway, Lowery was traded not released. Good business for your 4th safety. Maybe they even get him back for the minimum.
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I am tired of hearing its all good business moves without the results! This organization has to seriously change in the right direction. Penny wise and pound foolish is not cutting it! The results of just quick flashes and teases and then falling right back to mediocrity with mass needs like now is all I need to see this.The charade has to end now if we ever want a sb before the 50 year mark!
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Johnny (hates being sober) Reefer says:
cotch wasn’t a free agent. and they traded lowery.
no idea where you are going with that one.
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Johnny, nice to see you back.
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lol, no. Im not back. I’m just uber tired.
I got like 2 hours of sleep within the last 38 hours.
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Bent says:
Good point, neither of these were free agents.
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As much of an a** his is jacobs is the exact type of leader/player we need on this team. I think bart scott of the offense